Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[BBmolla]

@mod: Will order of nominees be in the order the player submitted?

If so, and I somehow change my mind, lynch first, investigate second.

[BBmolla]

Toog is Not Guilty

Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooly shit.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Titus

[BBmolla]

Gotta reread and figure out who has been misread.

[BBmolla]

If enough people think I'm scum, we can HoH me again, get second cop result out, then lynch me and confirm my innocence as well as the cop targets

[BBmolla]

This fucking blows because I have no idea if Voided would give scum a confirmable cop ability. And if he did that's completely fucked.

[BBmolla]

I voted for Toogeloo as well.

I voted for Togeloo. I was actually surprised and thought those might be the wrong nominations given that BBMolla had said he'd never put up Togelloo.

Minions, BBMolla, any results from the "cop"?

You guys are morons btw.

[BBmolla]

Minions who do you want to use shot # 2 on?

[BBmolla]

[7]

Gnomeo

-

BBmolla, *Desperado*, Keyblade,

Bulba

,

Minions, Toasty, Titus,

IceGuy

[3]

Desperado

-

Rach

,

F-16, Toogeloo

My take fits fairly well.

If I was right about this^ I'm gonna cry.

And Nacho if you're yelling at me for using cop on Toog, it was needed cause these people are asshats and don't like to townread town people.

[BBmolla]

[7]

Gnomeo

-

BBmolla, *Desperado*, Keyblade,

Bulba

,

Minions, Toasty, Titus,

IceGuy

[3]

Desperado

-

Rach

,

F-16, Toogeloo

My take fits fairly well.

If I was right about this^ I'm gonna cry.

And Nacho if you're yelling at me for using cop on Toog, it was needed cause these people are asshats and don't like to townread town people.

[BBmolla]

If it means anything KBW I still don't think you're scum. No offense, I don't think you could pull off what you've accomplished in this game as scum.

[BBmolla]

Evict Rach, Scan Bulba seems like a legitimate plan to me.

[BBmolla]

If it means anything KBW I still don't think you're scum. No offense, I don't think you could pull off what you've accomplished in this game as scum.

What do you think KBW has accomplished?

Not getting lynched day 1.

[BBmolla]

@Bulba: As scum if I can not lie, I do so. It makes it easier because I don't feel like a bad guy cause I'm being honest.

The only way my result on Toog would ever be fake is if we were the scumteam.

[BBmolla]

Also, 9 VTs + 1 2-shot Cop vs. 4 Scum with a NK every 2 days seems fairly balanced to me. For the most part.

[BBmolla]

Eh actually that is townsided, might have a Godfather.

[BBmolla]

I could live with Titus's plan also, just as long as we scan/lynch in the four.

[BBmolla]

Yeah sure. I'm just saying.

[BBmolla]

Or, more logically, I realized that you were all being retarded and were scumreading town and that his suggestion was correct?

[BBmolla]

If we're lynching me, we're making me HoH again. It'll confirm cop reports as true.

[BBmolla]

I really wish you'd just stop trying to lynch town though.

[BBmolla]

...How doesn't that make sense

We HoH me, I get second report too

We lynch me, I flip town, cop reports 100% confirmed true

[BBmolla]

And for fucks sake, don't investigate me. I'd much rather use investigation on someone and then lynch me to confirm both investigations than investigate me.

[BBmolla]

This town has gone full retard.

^

[BBmolla]

We're not checking Toog again that's fucking retarded. At worst we'd lynch me to confirm the report and whatever report we have tonight.

Were gonna lose this game anyway, the paranoia is making people fucking stupid.

[BBmolla]

Should really lynch Rach today.

[BBmolla]

We're giving up a cop report in the process, when the same can be accomplished by clearing Toog + 1 by lynching me. It's pointless for me to be alive anyway, nobody is listening to me. Maybe after I'm dead people will listen to Toog.

[BBmolla]

Rach you're quite obviously not reading the thread.

[BBmolla]

Feh. Alright.

[BBmolla]

Hey Toog you're now Nacho 2.0

What scumteams do you see as viable if you had to guess right now?

[BBmolla]

Tammy I miss you too don't get me wrong, me and Nach solved the last Voided nightless together. 2muchbonding.

[BBmolla]

Rach should definitely be lynched btw

[BBmolla]

Rach the plan, if you'd read the thread, was to lynch Toasty and investigate Toog.

If you flip town, we check the other three or whatever options there are for scum.

I didn't put you up because purely of Nacho's read on you.

[BBmolla]

Titus, go ahead and do me a favor. Go look at everyone's reads on Toog yesterday and get back to me.

[BBmolla]

Molla, that doesn't explain your reversal.

How doesn't it??

"Derp derp let's put up this guy and investigate this guy. Oh look at Toog talking to me. Oh man, I just realized there is this townread that seems pretty active and helpful and everyone is calling him scum and that he WOULD make the best investigation."

??

[BBmolla]

I put him up so he could be investigated. Cant the cop only investigate one of the nominees?

[BBmolla]

I'd really like to evict Rach today

Pretty pretty please

[BBmolla]

@ Molla: Haven't I been fighting you on Rachscum all game? What changed

Out of options here.

[BBmolla]

As long as we evict Rach idc

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flying Fighting F-16 Falcon Captain Punch

Great, I like this plan.

[BBmolla]

So I've got scumteam of Rach, Gnomeo, Desperado, and Bulbazak

Thoughts?

3/4

*here I brag about how skilled I am and pretend they weren't 90% stupid guesses*

[BBmolla]

Peacebringer might be super secret active scum, he'd be scum instead of Desperado in that case.

^Tack that on there.

[BBmolla]

We should go Desp first so that I can gloat if I was right the first time minus Rach

[BBmolla]

Oh fuck you win

[BBmolla]

VOTE: F-16

Also, don't scum have a theoretical nightkill today?

[BBmolla]

VOTE: F-16

Desp or KBW

[BBmolla]

I voted Desp

[BBmolla]

VOTE: F-16

Mafia only had a 2-shot daykill?

[BBmolla]

If scum are out of daykills we have 4 lynches to get scum btw.

I'd waaaay rather go Desp before F-16

[BBmolla]

Gotta be honest I'd rather lynch Titus over F-16 atm.

[BBmolla]

But we should go Desp.

[BBmolla]

Basically I can only see us losing in the following ways:

1. Titus is scum with more daykills he's hiding, it gets to Titus/Minions/Toog and Titus daykills someone to win.
2. Minions is scum

[BBmolla]

eh idk

[BBmolla]

Titus bugs me every time he posts, but I think it's just the player.

Desp to win hopefully?

If scum didn't know about cop and they only had two daykills, that's completely fucked setupwise imo.

[BBmolla]

I could explain all the things that I wouldn't have done as scum this game if you'd like

[BBmolla]

Alrighty

[BBmolla]

Jesus fuck

Game is hard

[BBmolla]

If they're out of daykills, it should be Titus/F-16 to win

Personally, I've liked F-16 more than Titus althroughout.

But I want to reread before we do shit. Don't rush it.

[BBmolla]

This is quite damning if looked at in isolation, but I still refer back to his chance to keep bulba alive and he didn't take it. Are we suggesting he chose the safer 'look town and bus a teammate' option here?

If they have no more daykills, that literally makes it impossible for F-16 to win. PLUS, if F-16 had inno'd Bulba, Bulba would never be lynched. Even if F-16 had been lynched and flipped scum, it wouldn't mean the result was fake.

[BBmolla]

I'm gonna reread tonight hopefully

Really wanna hear who F-16 thinks it is though

Minions actually makes a legit point. A scum Godfather would balance it out.

FUuuuuuck.

I hate this game, we're so close yet so far

[BBmolla]

Titus how good do you think I am at this game?

[BBmolla]

I still cannot believe BBMolla can be scum. I am re-reading as well.

Something to think about BBMolla: Just because scum likely have a GF doesn't mean Toog has to be that GF. Titus could be as well. The possibility of scum-GF would simply put Toog on the same level as you, me, and Titus.

Well if I had to put up a lynch atm it'd definitely be Titus. So he goes before Toog imo.

[BBmolla]

Looking at page 8, Titus's reads list, Gnomeo's reads list and Titus's argument with BBMolla and Desperado all point towards Titus as scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175

And yeah I can agree with that

[BBmolla]

Titus how good do you think I am at this game?

I have never played with you before and your moves seem to be well reasoned. I'm supposing you are smart and well experienced until you demonstrate otherwise.

Fair enough.

[BBmolla]

asdf

[BBmolla]

If Minions is scum, then I'm fairly fine losing because I can just yell at Voided for being a dickweed and putting that role as scum in this game.

F-16, for the record, Ythan's first mini nightless (now deleted due to crash) I was scum and my 3 buddies were lynched in the first 4 lynches. I then went on to mislynch 6 town to win in a matter of hours.

NOW, that was probably the best scum game I ever played, so it's not the norm.

I just wanted to let you know that happened before someone else brought it up.

I'm still not scum here. Over long term, my scumplay becomes more obvious. I lucked out in that game because everyone was on at once and the game finished in like one day after my buddies were lynched.

I gotta say bussing my buddies in a nightless game is bad, and there's no way I'd shoot Nacho over a claimed cop-whatever. (Cause that literally can cause you to auto-lose)

I really think it's Titus here, but I don't know who to put up with him. If Titus is town, then it's going to get complicated.

[BBmolla]

I am a bit wary of F-16 putting me as confirmed town, but all of his play looks so town it's negligible.

[BBmolla]

Well, not confirmed, but Obv Town to the degree he's considering me confirmed.

[BBmolla]

2. keybladewielder
3. Titus
4.

Minions (Hydra)

6. Bulbazak
7. BBmolla
9. blackberry F-16 Fighting Falcon
12.RachMarie
13. Toogeloo
14.

Desperado

Those are the players in the game. The goal is to get three confirmed towns.

Desperado is nearly certain town. I don't see any real reason for the scums to lie about eviction votes if Desperado was their scumbuddy.
Minions can only be scum with BBMolla since it makes no sense to give scum a power that can only be see by the HoH.

So we need one more. By checking Toog, we see if 1) BBMolla lied {thus giving us both scums} or 2) Toog is town or investigation immune scum. If 1, then it's GG. Lynch Toog, lynch BBMolla. If 2, then one of myself, BBMolla and Toog must be town.


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Bulbazak is likely town. F-16 is likely town.

That leaves KBW and RachMarie as the two I'd nominate along side Toog, who should be checked.

^This could be Titus-Scum trying to prevent two confirmed town. It's really silly otherwise.

Titus's never ending or changing or advancing scumread on me bugs me too. I attributed my dislike of Titus to his scumread on me, kind of like I did with Bulbazak in my first game with him.

I voted for Togeloo. I was actually surprised and thought those might be the wrong nominations given that BBMolla had said he'd never put up Togelloo.

Minions, BBMolla, any results from the "cop"?

^Also find it unbelievable that he didn't see my plan. But that's pretty meh.

[7]

Gnomeo

-

BBmolla, *Desperado*, Keyblade,

Bulba

,

Minions, Toasty, Titus,

IceGuy

[3]

Desperado

-

Rach

,

F-16, Toogeloo

My take fits fairly well.

This would also mean all non-Gnomeo votes were town. And that all scum bussed.

HOWEVER, Bulba/Titus interactions are fairly damning. Bulba has Titus has "top townread" for "being town," but they barely interact ever.

[BBmolla]

kk

[BBmolla]

That makes sense

[BBmolla]

Put up F-16 and Titus then?

[BBmolla]

Wow

F-16 you played an awesome game

(Unless it's a secret godfather or secret scum cop)

[BBmolla]

Holy shit

If you are town you are amazing F-16

[BBmolla]

If you're scum you're pretty amazing too

Fuck

[BBmolla]

F-16 assume you get daykilled

Who do we lynch to win

[BBmolla]

Please don't put me in the voting seat, I can't handle it here.

Like if I vote wrong I'm gonna be so sad

zesxrdctfvgh

[BBmolla]

I mean with Bulbazak I at least had an inkling he was scum, I had an inkling of Minions being scum but would Voided seriously put a fucking Scum Amnesiac Cop?

Like that's so fucked

[BBmolla]

F-16 is so fucking convincing. I need Toog here.

[BBmolla]

Toog I literally haven't the faintest clue.

If Minions is scum, I have to assume Voided put in a scum cop.

If Toog is scum, I have to assume Voided put in a GF

If F-16 is scum, I have to assume he's amazing.

These are all not assumptions I make lightly.

I know my content has been shit, but I don't exactly like to look at this game anymore, it's stressful.

Let's take a long ass time with this day though.

Lemme read and figure out why F-16 180'd

[BBmolla]

If I was guessing off of play, I'd go Minions.

If I was guessing off of setup, I'd go Toog or F-16. Donno which one.

[BBmolla]

Also, hold the phone, how will this game even work at LYLO, the HoH can't vote can he?

...Or am I retarded

[BBmolla]

who

I don't believe that there is a scum godfather and we investigated the scum GF by CO-INCIDENCE. The push for your investigation wasn't initiated by scum.

You could argue that he's the one who suggested it

[BBmolla]

ty

[BBmolla]

Yeah alright.

[BBmolla]

It's fine, we got time.

[BBmolla]

That's because it was probably the result of me ISOing them that day and not liking them.

[BBmolla]

Yo, I'm like here and stuff, I can address anything you want, just keep that in mind

[BBmolla]

It's worth noting that me and Bulba have a history.

Newbie 1333 - ScumBulba was attacking me all game, his buddy (who I was chummy with) said he was town and to ignore him. At the end it was between him and a lurker and I chose him to win.
NY 163 - TownBulba and TownDGB had a stupid ass back and forth that wouldn't end. I was pretty sure Bulba was town, but needed DGB to stop derping. So me and nacho made a deal, we lynch Bulba, she lynches the person we wanted (who actually was scum)

There's some others but these are the notables, feel free to look through them.

Initially I thought this was Bulba from Newbie 1333 with shitty logic and I felt like he wasn't making quite the presence TownBulba did.

But then I reread TownBulba's play in the nightless and thought it matched up pretty well here and my read flipped.

Make any sense?

[BBmolla]

Okay

You're all town

[BBmolla]

Like, I don't know what to say.

Playwise Minions is scum.

Setupwise you or F-16 is scum.

So. Pretty fucked.

Don't think I'm making the decision as it is anyway.

[BBmolla]

If I was Godfather I'd oh so fucking push hard on getting cop checked.

I wouldn't kill Imperium, who is leading the town and basically has me as confirmed town.

I'd kill the CLAIMED 2-SHOT COP

Don't even tell me "but what if u got scurred cause nacho" because a cop guilty is more death bringing than a nacho read.

[BBmolla]

Minions do you even remember why you claimed?

It's because we were going to lynch you

Because we thought you were scum

[BBmolla]

Minions is probably scum because I doubt any town have power.

^Why would I say this as godfather?

[BBmolla]

The only thing I'm sure about anymore in this game is that I'm town. And I'll answer anything that makes you doubt that.

The reads out of nowhere thing is ridiculous if you look at how I play this game. I don't do Nacho's "post by post" wall crap. I just don't.

[BBmolla]

I'm not though. My play doesn't make sense with it either. Why have strong reads all game and then suddenly have nothing (and apparently choose to make up nothing) when I've about won?

I realized something in the shower though.

F-16 is the scum

And he's fucking amazing scum

Because he knew was fucked unless he did something, so he decided to cast doubt on the confirmed cop and the cop innocent. Let me repeat that. CONFIRM COP AND COP INNOCENT. And it worked.

But that's not all. He also makes his life even harder by insisting I'm nearly confirmed town. Assumedly to keep me for the last lynch?

So there. Shower logic says go F-16. I know it's late, but better late than after you mislynch me.

[BBmolla]

*sigh*

Then help me dude, who is it.

[BBmolla]

Toog or Minions?

[BBmolla]

Hold that thought

[BBmolla]

I'd actually rather be nominated tonight than later if we're gonna do this at all. Have Minions scan me tonight and then I can gloat tomorrow. Put me against your biggest scum read molla.

I no longer have the security blanket of Imperium talking sense into people, and have at least 4 people who want me nominated. I am a good nominee to be scanned and prove Minions one way or another.

Holy shit you're right.

[BBmolla]

So here are our options:

1) I'm fucking amazing at this game as scum(nope, I can post some links if you want)
2) F-16 is fucking amazing at this game as scum
3) Toog is godfather who insisted himself get investigated.
4) Minions is scum with a crazy townie ass role

[BBmolla]

I'd actually rather be nominated tonight than later if we're gonna do this at all. Have Minions scan me tonight and then I can gloat tomorrow. Put me against your biggest scum read molla.

I no longer have the security blanket of Imperium talking sense into people, and have at least 4 people who want me nominated. I am a good nominee to be scanned and prove Minions one way or another.

Holy shit you're right.

^Don't miss this F-16.

[BBmolla]

OR I can assume that if they had another daykill they'd have use it by now and assume we have 2 lynches left with me most likely being the one today at this rate?

[BBmolla]

I'm not one to toot my own horn.

So.

[BBmolla]

I'll probably make you HoH, I don't think you should be lynched. I'll just yell at Voided if you'rescum.

[BBmolla]

I'm not scum dude, if I were I'd have come in yelling about how scum you were not pussy foot around until someone thinks I'm scum.

[BBmolla]

If I were scum I wouldn't even be in this situation I'd have killed the cop.

[BBmolla]

And I'd probably use your "BBMOLLA IS 100% TOWN" to make them think someone is lying or some shit

Yeah okay. In that case I donno.

Does my reaction to the existence of the cop as well as my obvious belief in this being full vanilla line up with that

[BBmolla]

In addition, the last Voided nightless Mastin went on and on about how retarded bussing is in a nightless

He's been going on and on how bussing is retarded in general

[BBmolla]

IN ADDITION, Llama's reads tend to be batshit insane sometimes. Why kill him that early?

[BBmolla]

Just look through past scum games of mine, the only one I remotely did any good was Ythan's nightless (now deleted) where I won the game by getting 6 mislynches in 6 hours.

But I can't sustain a facade for that long as scum, I have a plan. I don't just come into the day and pussy foot reads when I'm about to win. That's not a gambit, that's fucking stupid.

[BBmolla]

Because Voided's past nightless I just played with him where he was town and I thought he played super similar. Nacho had the same realization, read through his ISO.

[BBmolla]

????????????

I named the scumteam and then went after the people I named.

[BBmolla]

Look I gotta go. In summation, I'm bad at this game. I'll be back later.

His shit reads probably.

[BBmolla]

Voided.

[BBmolla]

Toog or You, not sure which one. Leaning Toog at the moment.

[BBmolla]

"Bulba's" interactions with Gnomeo were the most incriminatingly scummy shit I ever saw as far as partner-partner interactions go. He literally criticized Gnomeo for copying the format of a list. It was incredibly silly. The way he kept tying Gnomeo and Minions together was... lmao, the funniest thing I ever saw.

Molla is a much better player than this.

No way he bought into this BS.

Where's any sort of support for this? Where have you even played with me before?

You an Uberninja alt or something?

[BBmolla]

If you are then this game actually makes a lot of sense.

[BBmolla]

F-16, I get lynched and flip town. Who is scum.

[BBmolla]

Hi hi hi

[BBmolla]

I'm not making the decision, it's not you Minions, it's either Toog or F-16. Don't know which one.

[BBmolla]

Let me rephrase, I'm not making the decision so why does it matter what I do at this point, I've invited questioning, I have nothing to hide.

It's not you Minions, it's either Toog or F-16. Don't know which one.

If I were HoH I'd lynch them to win.

[BBmolla]

If we're going by logic it's F-16, but his plays pretty crazy if it is him.

[BBmolla]

Voided if you put a godfather in a nightless you're a fucking ass hole by the way.

[BBmolla]

If I had to guess right now, I'd say Voided is an ass hole and Toog is scum. Toog's contributions today have been very evil sidekickesque.

[BBmolla]

:/

Good luck

VOTE: Minions

[BBmolla]

Giving scum a 2-Shot Amnesiac Cop single handedly lost us the the game so.

Cool.

[BBmolla]

Like, did Mafia having a 2-shot daykill and an obviously pro-town role seriously seem balanced to you? Even if it was 10:4?

I'm really upset because reads in general, maybe minus Bulba, were correct. But we lost due to setup assumptions (AKA, Mod not doing something retarded like giving scum an amnesiac cop).

I'm pretty upset.

[BBmolla]

Like how the hell were we supposed to guess that Voided? And don't say "scumhunt" cause we fucking thought he was scum, but then he survived because of his

confirmable claim

.

[BBmolla]

Maybe I'm just being absurd and ridiculous because I'm upset we lost, but I donno. Giving scum an amnesiac cop was pants on head retarded.

[BBmolla]

The 2-shot Amnesiac Cop first had it's alignment (town or scum) randomized, landing as a scum ability.

If you had told us this, then the setup would have been balanced.

[BBmolla]

grumble grumble

[BBmolla]

Voided, don't get me wrong, I don't think this is some unforgiveable mistake. I like you as a mod. People make mistakes and in the grand scheme of things this is small.

Don't be too hard on yourself.

Who reviewed the setup?

[BBmolla]

Props for admitting it was a mistake at least.

[BBmolla]

I did have fun! Things just got frustrating once Minion's claim made him unlynchable. (Not that I'm implying I still thought he was scum after the claim, but that the claim invalidated any possibility of him being lynched)

You as a mod aren't the problem Voided, just get more feedback on the setups imo.

[BBmolla]

From my fellow players why were ya all so sure I was scum?

PoE

[BBmolla]

Llama we shoot as vigs, so we aren't next level enough to make the assumptions you do.

[BBmolla]

Btw, Bulba you played well. We only really got you cause of cop report. Just thought I'd say so.