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Not much? I haven't liked zMuffinMan's posts, and nick's posts were largely null, with some potentially-town and some potentially-scum, but nick's later posts progressively tipped him towards being scum. If I had more than that, I'd have said so.In post 450, Sound of Silence wrote:What's the basis for your scum reads?
Not nearly as many as I'd prefer. Chronologically?
Passive Mastin is sucky Mastin, so no. As a general hint, passive Mastin is not alignment-indicative, though, because scum-Mastin is just as likely to have a bad game as town-Mastin. But for what it's worth, I'm town-Mastin this game, albeit town-Mastin at his absolute lowest. :/In post 496, Trust Fund wrote:While we wait, ffery, mastin meta, always this passive?
Calling it as I see it. If you're town, you can trust me to be town. You can't trust me to be reliable-town at the moment, because I'm currently not in my element and am trying to find it.In post 505, zMuffinMan wrote:If mastin is town, this is the first game i've seen him read me incorrectly from my initial posting. but I don't really think he's town atm so that doesn't particularly matter to me.
Appreciate the opinion, but it's not exactly accurate. It's not true, but my posts very easilyIn post 516, Ghostlin wrote:Mastin's being passive, but he's being Town passive. The difference? He's not keeping his options open and is admitting he's clueless rather than hedging his bets on this or that wagon.
I agree on MalaK and nick (obv) being scumreads, and pretty much every single townread except Trust (null currently; working on it) and Muffin (also null at this point, and also working on it), with a slight chance of a third. (But probs-not.){FTL, Malakittens, nickthename}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar, Thezmon, Nacho, Muffin}
{AJ, Andi, BRO, Desp, Mastin, Rach, Skull}
Challenge accepted.In post 709, Desperado wrote:I'd honestly be surprised if you could come up with two town motivated things from Rach's ISO. She's scum.
Which isIn post 716, Desperado wrote:That's a solid townRach case, if you take all of the points individually.
Also worth noting: I'm saying "you could argue" and "technically"In post 717, Venmar wrote:I feel like most of the reasons for Rach-Town by Mastin in #715 are forced and untrue, I don't think he actually believes in most of those especially since he says things like " you could argue " or " technically ".
168 is a bit concerning, as is 224. 245 isn't as bad and can also be town, but it can also be along a similar vein. 261 also makes me a bit nervous, but again can be scumhunting.In post 721, Desperado wrote:Which posts? You flatly said all of my reads were weak, can you talk about the mac read more specifically and how it fits into your read?
Not this? And Maybe? I'll admit it, Mac's not a player I find easy to remember in my games, because Mac typically isn't someone I have much focus on. (Akin to Zdenek, in that he's someone I play with a lot, but is not very memorable. I remember playing with Mac and the generalities, but not the specifics.) But again. I just don't think this is scum-Mac. If you absolutely must, call it gut. (It aint gut.In post 726, Desperado wrote:What do you remember scuMac to be? Do you disagree with the meta I provided?In post 724, mastin2 wrote:My memory of a scuMac might not be as good as with others, but this. just. doesn't. feel. like. what I remember. to be. scuMac. It feels like his town self.
Well, then, get Majiffy to knock me out of his scum pile.In post 768, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mastin I am loving where your head is at cos you are saying what I am thinking.
Bad wagon is bad and incredibly scumdriven.[5] Faster Than Light (thezmon221,Malakittens, Skullduggery, TiphaineDeath,nickthename)
Replacement wagon is bad and the best names on there are FtL (a minor townread) and MuffinMan (also minor townread), which is[4] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)
Epic wagon is epic. Made up of a player who everyone (be it via play or meta) is calling town and with TWO conftown backing it.[3] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2, notscience)
In short? Because nick's scum, Rach's town, I'm conftown, and TD is a minor townread of mine at the moment. I did say "a bit", not "seriously". It's aWhat specifically concerns you about these reads?
I actually did, but I didn't get much from it. The analysis is in the quicktopic I created for this game.It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.
Except I am, and rather blatantly so.In post 935, Malakittens wrote:Mastin you aren't confirmed town, shut up.
Dead null.mollie wrote:how do you feel about skull
Similar in nature to my read on Malakittens, albeit less solid because it's not as backed by meta. I wrote the bit about Andy being a scumread before his megawall, because I didn't like his pre-wall posts at all. The wall itself (while being humorous) also was incredibly scummy to me, solidifying the read, but not being a basis of the read.In post 937, Sound of Silence wrote:Mastin, could you go into a little more detail on your Andrius read? I think it might help me sort both of you.
I'm lying about specific reads being as strong as they are, but the reads I'm lying about being strong are mostly townreads. My scumreads (few as they are)nick wrote:So you're lying that you're confident while pushing wagons?
Drop it, thez. You're one of the townreads I'm faking confidence in.thez wrote:Mastin's looking really scummy about this time, though...
You not being stupid?In post 945, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:in pikman you repeatedly called me stupid, so what has changed that you suddenly have decided that I am a decent enough player that you want to work with?
Because I AM town. For the most part, the people I'm reaching out to are town players who I need to work with, yet have quite-justified reasons to be doubtful of me this game. (Because my play thusfar has not been normal Mastin.) I need to address their concerns so that they are willing to work with me and scumhunt ACTUAL scum. (Which I am not. Seriously, there's never going to be a game where I am more town than in this game.)In post 949, notscience wrote:Mastin why do you keep reaching out to people saying "you can trust me to be town this game"
Hole number one: I'm not scum. I'm anti-scum, in fact.In post 968, Malakittens wrote:If FTL is for sure scum then Mastin is probably a partner.
Because Ghostlin is town and you are not town. Simple.In post 976, Malakittens wrote:I also find it odd how many people didn't comment on my interaction with Ghostlin besides Mac.
Your continued posting, me re-evaluating and realizing you were less town than I originally thought and more scum (opposite of zMuffinMan), basically, everything.In post 969, nickthename wrote:Where you say you don't have much. So now I have to ask, why are you pushing me so hard? What changed between 692 and 928 that caused you to be so sure i'm scum, and why haven't you mentioned it anywhere?
I left Nacho and Venmar of because ~reasons~.In post 973, macmollie wrote:mastin wat do you think of nacho? you left him entirely off of your list.
Coulda sworn it was somewhere. If not here and if not in the signup thread then in Xenoblade. I recall him mentioning the number of scum when he announced it single-faction, and there were only three places he's done that. Could be wrong, of course, but I really seem to remember it.In post 972, Aj The Epic wrote:Mind quoting where he said 'five scum'? I just read the opening post again and could not find any mention.
Quite. Woulda been much easier this game if I had, but no. (I actually think I'm more comfortable playing as scum right now than I am as town. 2013 has been a very good scum-year for me.) I received the anti-scum-PM.thez wrote:Mastin, are you sure you didn't receive a scum role PM?
I checked and double-checked the front page, and it's not there. Thinking it might be in my PM, I checked there, too, but nope, not there, either. I swear I remember it, but I haven't been able to find it, either. But regardless, you'll unvote me eventually without me being able to find it. I can guarantee it.In post 1006, Trust Fund wrote:Quote it and I might unvote you. I looked.In post 1003, mastin2 wrote:I recall him mentioning the number of scum when he announced it single-faction, and there were only three places he's done that. Could be wrong, of course, but I really seem to remember it.
I'm positive it's not 4, because the scumteam would have to be SERIOUSLY,In post 1007, Trust Fund wrote:Also this is wrong because you have no idea of power roles; could easily make it OP or superweak in comparison.
Sexy wagon myIn post 1090, Trust Fund wrote:I mean look at this sexy wagon. Come on guys you know you wanna join it.In post 1075, borkjerfkin wrote:[5] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund, BROseidon, nickthename, TiphaineDeath)
Two dueling scumreads, the other hidden-read, and two weak townreads. If you really want a sexy wagon, look at this:[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8)
Two conftown voting back-to-back, along with a totally-obvtown player and a decently-pro-town player.[4] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, thezmon221)
But I think I'm beginning to hone in on things. 'Specially with the super-sekrit scenario which is looking more and more appetizing. Nacho's quite right; it'll take a night phase or two for me to really get in my element. Basically, yeah. I was feeling lost. But I *think* I'm slowly drawing the pieces together and getting a handle on this game. (So stop nullreading me and start townreading me, SoS.In post 1029, Sound of Silence wrote:Mastin looks like really, really lost town to me right now.
That's pretty much"I know I'm screwing things up but let me get my shit together and do something useful."
Mollie, I don't think you're quite remembering Pinkmin mafia near the end of my life, there. Check my posts after you investigated ActionDan. (Maybe a bit before, maybe a bit after, but thereabouts that time.) I "buttered up" to youmollie wrote:the only thing that really and truly bugs me is his buttering up after everything he said in pikman.
Lie about confidence? Yes. Telling a lie about how confident I am can allow me to become the mask, as I later say. As for saying I'm town, I'm saying it because it's true, and you're idiots for not realizing it.Skull wrote:If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?
I don't think scum have daytalk this game.Any particular reason you'd assume that Scum has day-talk this game?
Cognitive dissonance ahoy! "Not a scumslip, and him thinking about it keeps me from voting him. Still think he's scum, but not for that." How does that work from a town mindset? Especially with a noticeable wagon on me? And where are those other reasons? Yeah, my point exactly. Also, this:Malakittens wrote:Don't really see it as a scum slip. I myself have always thought about how many scum are in a game so I can look for possible connections. Main reason why I haven't voted Mastin. I think he's scum, but not for the whole "5 scum thing".
(Trust Fund beating me to it, and Malak having said it at all, increases townread on TF and scumread on MalaK.)In post 1312, Trust Fund wrote:UhIn post 1309, Malakittens wrote:Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.
"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"
"moving on to mastin"
???
Take Aj, TF, thez, and TD out of your scumlist and we can talk. In fact,In post 1332, zMuffinMan wrote:venmar, mac, bnb, sos, ftl, nick
desperado, ghostlin, nacho, mastin
low
malakittens
aj
thezmon
trustfund
td
andrius
skullduggery
bro
RM
high
I'm going to give you the unfiltered version as soon as I catch up. Basically, I was hoping to hold onto my secret reads and have the results of them revealed D2, but I can't keep this up, 'specially given how transparent I am.In post 1348, zMuffinMan wrote:which of my reads are different to yours
Distancing, not pushing it, and potentially signally Venmar that he's being an idiot. Yes, he places a vote, but that singular line is not a push. It's an explanation, not a reasoning.Nacho wrote:venny baby are you scum?
These are examples of why a town-Nacho should be KEEPING his vote on Venmar. Instead, he changes to BROseidon, who he has no read on.That's all you have for me...?
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I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?
...Where Nacho tries to get Venmar off of me, Nacho being smart enough to realize wagoning me will backfire spectacularly.hey venmar are you gonna vote skull or...?
Even the same question.Andrius wrote:Venmar who's the scum?
Distancing on Rach.nick wrote:Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?
Nacho interaction.Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.
Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.
More defense of Malakittens's slot.Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.
Rach at null, Nacho at Null and hinting at knowing Nacho better than his previous quote said, Andrius at null, and Venmar as well. Without any commentary at all to go along with it.Rach- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.
Nacho- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.
Andrius- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.
Venmar- Who knows? Not me.
(TD had Venmar as scum.)MalaK wrote:I disagree with a majority of his posts especially on account to Venmar's role.
(Interaction with Rach.)I want Rach to explain #66 in regards to MS claiming early in another game, tyvm.
Defense of Nacho, and buddying to Rach.I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.
Distancing to nick. (Which also doesn't mesh with her scumread on me.)Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?
I find it particularly telling that this TD wagon got this much on it. However, I think that the wagon was most scummy near its beginning. Later-on, TD gave enough ammo for the town to be legitimately suspicious of him, but earlier-on, his play didn't validate this level of attention.[8] TiphaineDeath (Venmar, zMuffinMan,nickthename, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund)
Nick's once more on the dominant wagon, and Malakittens is here as well. The Rach wagon has begun to form, as has the wagon on me and nick. Of note is that the nick wagon has three players, two of them conftown and the third basically the same. Yet it never got much traction.[5] Faster Than Light (thezmon221,Malakittens, Skullduggery, TiphaineDeath,nickthename)
[4] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)
[3] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund, BROseidon)
[3] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2, notscience)
Nick once again joins the dominant wagon, this time on me. The Rach wagon also forms, but the nick wagon (despite having two additional names, one an ultimate-townread and the other still a townread) continues not to grow.[5] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund, BROseidon,nickthename, TiphaineDeath)
[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light,Nachomamma8)
[4] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, thezmon221)
I believe we have duelling scum wagons at this point. Look at the names on Andrius; we've got one super-mega-townread (B&B), one awesome-townread (SoS), one conftown, and one player who is almost-certainly town despite the controversy. (Trust Fund.) If you want a sexy wagon, Andrius is it. Malakittens joins during a time where it appears Andrius is basically confirmed-scum via meta, and thus, at the perfect time for a bus.[5] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund,Malakittens)
[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light,Nachomamma8)
Of critical importance, Nacho has abandoned the Rach wagon (which he was late to be on). Rach, similar to Malakittens, joins the Andrius wagon at the ideal time to bus.[6] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund,Malakittens, RachMarie)
[6] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, thezmon221, TiphaineDeath)
Bringing us to here. I realize the Rach wagon is sexy with all the town players there, and that the Andrius wagon is slightly-less-so with both Rach and MalaK present, but I maintain my position that Rach's not the best lynch.[7] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund,Malakittens, RachMarie, Mac)
[7] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, thezmon221, TiphaineDeath, Aj The Epic)
Nobutyes.In post 1588, zMuffinMan wrote:so essentially your scum candidates are all scum because they make sense as scum together?
I already told you.In post 1597, Aj The Epic wrote:Mastin, who do you suggest we lynch first, then? Mala, since she has the strongest associative tells?
Which is why I kept things relatively simple (as to not violate occam's razor) while also pointing out how the subtle interactions looked like they're from scum. I fully admit, my analysis isn't perfect. I'm probably wrong on at least one read, given the likely number of scum this game. But IIn post 1617, Sound of Silence wrote:I fucking hate elaborate association analysis sans flips. I can't think how many times the majority of the so called associations have turned out to be among town players. There aren't many slouches in this player list. Scum associations will probably be pretty subtle.
Eh, I'm reasonably certain that Venmar is town. His reach-out to me was really telling, and it's had the effect of reversing my scumread into a decent townread.In post 2070, Nachomamma8 wrote:It did, but boring things that I could have figured out normally. I'll have more explain-y posts when I have more time, but the only REALLY interesting things were mastin and Venmar, mastin in a town way and venmar in a not so town way. But mastin's town for other reasons and I can't get a handle on Venmar for the life of me, so.
Addressed sorta in my Venmar spoiler. Because I'm stubborn when it comes to wagons I push, and because I have a general aversion to hopping onto a wagon.Desperado wrote:You have Rach and Andrius both as scum but haven't touched their wagons. Why not?
Important. (With the exception of nick and obviously Rach, I agree with every single townread listed.)In post 2461, Sound of Silence wrote:Town
FTL
notscience
BnB
Venmar
Trust Fund
TD
Ghostlin
Aj The Epic
zMuffinMan
Bert/znon/Saki
Desperado
nickthename
Rach
Null
Andrius (fery have him as town I think)
Nachomamma (I think fery have him as leaning town)
mastin2
Mac
Scum
nhammen/Mala
BROseidon
skull/mutley
Not happening any time soon, and your supporting it is making
Quite possibly.In post 2654, Mac wrote:@mastin - you think nacho bussed the shit out of rach then?
In order. I maintain my statement. You're never getting a Mastin lynch. Why? Because tying into the next part, IIn post 2663, Andrius wrote:but srs can we lynch mastin first please
You're not conf.town, he is.Wait what. He was in your top four scumreads yesterday and somehow slipped out? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE MASTIN?mastin wrote:Not happening any time soon, and your supporting it is making you look worse, Nacho.
This has grown stronger, not weaker, over the night. Venmar is town, and I'm waiting on him to post, because he's almost certainly done a readthrough during the night and I value his thoughts right now more thanIn post 1894, mastin2 wrote:For the record--miiiiiiight be moving Venmar back into town.
...Aw, heck.I'm moving Venmar back into town. I'm trusting him to be town, despite what I've said about him.
I have them in my town-list, right?In post 2689, Ghostlin wrote:Mastin, anyone who claims that as a Vig shot without counterclaim is roughly 95% Town.
Wrong vote. You can't think all of {nick, MalaK, Nacho} are town, can you?In post 2690, Andrius wrote:Ghostlin wrote:Unvote, Vote: VenmarGonna do this for a bit and see how it goes.
Slightly modified to reflect recent changes, but mostly in-tact from the original form of the post. Read it. Love it. Know that I'm right. Again, I can (and probably should) make cases on each of them. But other players have already done a lot of the work for me. Rach's iso is littered with condemning interactions, as is these players' interactions with her. There are cases strewn throughout the thread on nick (albeit not as inclusive as it should be), Malakittens, Andrius (albeit not much), and maybe even on BROseidon. (I'll have to create the Nacho case myself.) All I've got to do is basically compile what's already been said, along with my own commentary in addition to it, to help prove it.In post 1587, mastin2 wrote:Nachomamma8 is scum.
Him being a scumread is the entire reason I wanted to wait, because if I was wrong, I'd look like an idiot. However, the thought of him being a scumread came as early as my post where I did the nick-iso. (That bit at the end of my nick-iso post where I said READ REDACTED? That was a Nacho-scumread, off of nick's interactions with him.)
But, dang it, Nacho's posting here is dangerously-reminiscent of his posting during Buzzword Bingo. He didn't get into the initial pile of town, and has been fighting to recover from this setback in an eerily-similar manner. His posting's fairly light, both in amounts, and in actual content; he's NOT ACTUALLY PUSHING ANY OF HIS READS like I'd expect a town-Nacho to be doing.
But if that wasn't enough, there's his bad interactions.
These are examples of why a town-Nacho should be KEEPING his vote on Venmar. Instead, he changes to BROseidon, who he has no read on.That's all you have for me...?
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I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?
832 seems like a post entirely composed of messages to scumbuddies. (With the possible exception of BRO, and obviously Desp who is town.)
His Andrius townread seems bad, as is his townread on Malakittens, when her posting hasn't been solid at all.
1485 also looks scum-motivated.
RachMarie is scum.
This was the scenario I was talking about. RachMarie can only be scum if Nacho is scum, because Rach's defense of Nacho and overall interactions with his slot tie her alignment to his. A RachMarie scumflip confirms Nacho as scum. In contrast, a Nacho townflip confirms RachMarie as town, and a Nacho scumflip confirms RachMarie as scum. I'm reasonably certain this is Nacho's scumgame.
Andrius is scum.
He has ties to Nacho. He has ties to nick. He has ties to Malakittens. He has ties to Rach.
nickthename is scum.
His immediate treatment of the Venmar claim, along with how he jumps off at the first chance possible. His treatment of nhammen (Malakittens) reinforces this.Distancing on Rach.nick wrote:Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?Nacho interaction.Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.
Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.
More defense of Malakittens's slot.Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.
But it's worst here:Rach at null, Nacho at Null and hinting at knowing Nacho better than his previous quote said, and Andrius at null. Without any commentary at all to go along with it.Rach- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.
Nacho- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.
Andrius- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.
Malakittens is scum.(TD had Venmar as scum.)MalaK wrote:I disagree with a majority of his posts especially on account to Venmar's role.(Interaction with Rach.)I want Rach to explain #66 in regards to MS claiming early in another game, tyvm.
Defense of Nacho, and buddying to Rach.I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.Distancing to nick. (Which also doesn't mesh with her scumread on me.)Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?
BROseidon is someone I have my eye on.
He shares many of the same traits the above players have in their interactions between one another.
One of these reads is probably wrong.
They could be right, but that'd require six scum, when I think there's only five. Which is wrong, however, I can't tell, yet. (That's another reason I considered waiting.)
The purpose of this post is mainly to show the interactions between the scum.
Not the entirety of my cases against each player. There's plenty of individual not-tied-to-interactions reasons these players are my scumreads.
Skullduggery lacks these traits.
I see him as being set up as the scum mislynch for day one, especially if both Rach and Andrius are scum. They're not going to get a mislynch on me, after all, and thus, Skull presents the best opportunity to achieve a mislynch today. (FTL is another similar candidate.)
What should we be doing?
Expanding on the above, fleshing out my cases, examining these players in detail, and figuring out for sure if I'm right or wrong on these.
This is not a "too good to be true" scumteam pairing, nor is it too blatantly obvious.
If I thought it to be too good to be true, I'd know it wouldn't be true. But this is a relatively-simple (therefore not violating occam's razor) scumteam pairing that is juuuuuuuuust complicated enough where the scum could think they can get away with it.
Would just like to point out: with the exception of Nacho (who, yes, I do fully believe was bussing) and Andrius (who is in ideal bussing position) and BRoseidon (whose hammer was incredibly-suspicious), that the Rach wagon is pretty dang solid.In post 2464, borkjerfkin wrote:[11] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Desperado, Nachomamma8, Ghostlin, BeautyAndTheBeast, Aj The Epic, Sound of Silence, Andrius, Trust Fund, Saki, BROseidon)
[4] Andrius (Malakittens, RachMarie, Faster Than Light, TiphaineDeath)
[3] nickthename (mastin2, Mutleyddmc, notscience)
[1] BROseidon (Mac)
[1] mastin2 (nickthename)
[1] TiphaineDeath (Venmar)
(Just read the scum QT in its entirety. It's basically "Why I need to always get rid of fferry", the essay.Ffery/buldey play with me offsite a lot, where they got a glimpse of the weakest part of my scumgame. I am a little better at hiding here, but they're attacking me for getting an early townread on them and attacking Jake.
ffery, that was an amazing scumtell you have on me that I picked up on recently
I usually focus on defense a little when I come under fire; i don't know if ffery knows that yet
They know me. I can throw false positives all over the fucking place as town and I can throw false negatives all the time as scum but fferyllt will find me eventually.
I'm in the weakest point of my scumgame with them. I'm going to give this my best fucking shot but god fucking damnit i hate switching gears.
ffery used to be able to read me really, really well. some of this old power retains, but not all of it.
She's caught me out when I've been in a foreign site and she's caught me out after I killed her. But she can read me now; I have to make her forget that she can read me and give her that feelgood feeling she needs to move on. I'm going to show her my personal lie castle as scum, and either that will work and solidify the read or it will cast doubt.
Unfortunately, I need aspects of my scum meta in my play. So I won't avoid them all, but if she picks up on them, I'll know I have to do a hard reset of my scumgame for her specifically. She's picking out weak trajectory reasons for now, but if she's getting me lynched she's doing a hell of a lot more than that.
Except she has far, FAR more buddy tells which're
In post 66, RachMarie wrote:Nacho needs to get in here and POST
more later and hey Nick cool to get to finally play with you in a forum game instead of a skype game.
Bro why would you assume that? Each game is randomized and its a very low chance that you are scum in BOTH games? Especially since this time its not multiball as per the OP.
In post 409, RachMarie wrote:hell Nacho has not even posted yet..... And a few others as well.
In post 432, RachMarie wrote:Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.
In post 1381, RachMarie wrote:2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.
10. Nachomamma8 What on earth NachoWhat do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?
12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....
13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....
In post 1833, RachMarie wrote:Nacho could you explain why you saw skull as scum? Cause I had him as null and likely to be replaced...
Here. And here.In post 1969, RachMarie wrote:@ Nacho
Could you explain your case on Skull now Mutley a bit more? What made you think they were so scummy?
I always have some trouble reading Mutley and well Skull was practically non-existent.
Every single interaction Rach has with Nacho SCREAMS Nacho-scumbuddy.In post 2211, RachMarie wrote:BTW why are you so sure he is town Nacho? His play here is not very much at all like his play in the first Xeno game?
Tier 2 != lower tier. Tier two is just lower than tier 1.In post 2826, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:so what moved you to having us as "strong town!" cos you did say this to being in the lower tier?
In post 2919, Desperado wrote:Who are the scum saving their asses?
Nope! Quite the opposite, I firmly believe that they lack daytalk. Just because they can't talk to each other in a QT and SAY, "Hey, guys, this day needs to end quickly before we're royally screwed over", doesn't mean they can't individually come to that conclusion.In post 3010, BROseidon wrote:Do you think that scum have daytalk, because this sentence implies that you think they do.In post 2907, mastin2 wrote:-Which means that they want the day over. Now. Rather than later.
Both town? Hmm. Well, then. In that case, it'd be the bottom of my town-list--Desperado.In post 3036, nickthename wrote:@Mastin If Andrius and I are both town, who do you think is the last scum?
Well, 1/4 isn'tIn post 3053, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Mala, Venmar, AJ, Mastin.
NO, VENMAR, NO! STOP LOSING SIGHT OF THE TARGET! D:
VOTE: Nachomamma8.In post 3064, Nachomamma8 wrote:You tell me this but you know I can't take your word for it right?In post 3021, mastin2 wrote:There is literally a 0% chance for Venmar to be scum. I'd lynch a cop innocent before I'd lynch Venmar.