The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

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Vote: Reck

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Yarr.

Shadoweh's last post looks pretty off to me.

You should totes claim to me by the bye.

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Unvote, vote: Reck

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It wasn't really Reck's reaction I was interested in; I'd rather not try reading him if it can be avoided. Did you see mafiaSSK's revoteless unvote? That's the stuff I'm looking for.

I agree that #64 is weird but it might be town weird? Easy enough to not post as town.

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Huh, that's better reasoning than I was expecting. Vote parking forevermore still seems a bit much though.

did I miss why people are posting in code

It's a public neighborhood, obviously.

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I'd have expected some sort of commentary about me by now, CES. Your vote on Reck was your typical RVS, but why didn't you reply to chamber when he started talking about it? Also, what's with Post 134, and what do you think of chamber not recognizing the first vote for what it was?

I agree; it's weird how you haven't commented on your play yet.

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Scrutinizing Tierce's posts honestly doesn't seem that useful. Her alignment seems obvious as-is.

Are you going to do meta research on sirdan? Because I feel like a) I should, b) I don't want to and c) I probably shouldn't actually; just do maths stuff instead.

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Dude we played together, though I remember it was an exceptionally boring game, not sure if the game even finished to completion. Not necessarily because of players, perhaps because of the mod. It was ages ago.

5 minutes of research suggests you may be thinking of Cogito Ergo Scum.

CES--fairly sure I've already commented on my own play. Why didn't you answer the stuff about chamber?

Technically, maybe? Not the commentary I was looking for at any rate. I didn't answer the stuff about chamber as a sort of deliberate thing to imply there wasn't anything interesting there.

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Credit grab: MafiaSSK/Tierce/Elscouta/Aegor

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Before that post it was more that his posts in the "Neighbourhood" seemed to be relaxed in a away CES weren't quite.

Totes true.

Unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

Tierce, with me!

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For me to bus, you have to ask nicely~

I put it to you that I am in fact being nice by giving you a neat little wagon to jump on for when you realise JacobSavage doesn't look scummy.

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He provided a "list of reads" and when asked about why he thought chamber was town, refered to a post after the list was made (implying the list was made up and that he actually didn't think about reasoning). When pressed to explain, he said that the original reason of the read was "posts looked genuine", which doesn't convince me either: in a game that had already picked up a decent amount of steam, if he only has two reads, I expect these to be based on factual/loudly spoken reasonings, not based on a very weak reason, on someone that has never been really in the light.

Chamber is notably good at looking town though. And he even had a concrete reference that wasn't based solely on chamber's iso (and thus unlikely to have been made up in response to the situation).

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Yarr. Time for a MafiaSSKlynch.

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Yeah guys let's go for a lurker lynch on someone who wasn't even half bad before they flaked.

Except that his play was superscummy? He unvoted Reck based on obvious nonsense when that wagon took off and didn't revote anyone despite saying multiple people were scummy.

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Firstly, the reck wagon was horribly terribad. Some of the biggest scumbags were on it (Esp, you, aegor doesn't look too good either though I haven't read him yet, that'll come later) and it was half RVS anyway.

Which wasn't his stated reasoning. The Reckwagon was a good thing because it created pressure and informative situations without significant chance of it turning into a lynch (because Reck); but regardless of what you think of the wagon, "Reck is fine, btw." combined with an unvote is just a scummy reaction.

I doubt he flaked either; he lurks on purpose.

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CES, why did you target Tierce in specific and why did you give up so easily on convincing her to vote with you?

I felt JacobSavage's elaboration made that whole sideshow Tierce was engaged in fairly uninteresting, so it seemed like a natural angle. And then I worked that angle more by defending JacobSavage too.

SSK, chamber can confirm that I already posted my reasoning in the Neighborhood before I voted you.

Unvote, vote: Espeonage

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Nah, I'll probably unvote before it turns into a lynch.

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Unvote, vote: TIP

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Everyone should vote for one of TIP, JS and Esp and by that I mean that they should vote for TIP.

Nat has almost 80 so i have less than twice the amount of posts of the next most poster.

So your spamming of the thread is okay because one single other person is being comparably useless? Don't answer that by the bye; the question is rhetorical.

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I think we should at least give her a chance to get nightkilled.

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If anyone were confused by Aegor's flip (which seems reasonable), surely chamber's flip would resolve that question? Especially Esp's spiel seems like a prepared statement.

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You think the scum team should have nightkilled you instead, Tierce?

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Okay. Then who? The tunneling Ur-Quan?

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chamber attempted to flip a wagon from Aegor to me. I'm Town, and while he probably wouldn't have lynched me, it would be some amazing noise for scum to flourish in Today. Elscouta would have made a much better alternative--quiet one, logical, not that likely to be protected if JacobSavage is Town.

The kill makes sense coming from you.

The chamberkill does make sense coming from me. But it just generally makes sense - something that should seem obvious to you if you're gonna put forward a name like Elscouta (who, for the record, is probably scum).

Vote: Espeonage

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Which is why it doesn't make much sense that chamber, who had claimed vanilla, is dead--unless the person he can read best is scum. See: CES.

He only claimed vanilla to me and that wasn't serious (did you not get the joke?).

Talk to me about ABR, CES. And do you really think scum are trying to pull a Pillar-of-the-Community attitude regarding the Aegor flip and doing it as the very first post of D2? Seems like a far too reckless move for Espeonage-scum, and one that is far too easy for you to capitalize on.

ABR hasn't said anything in the neighbor topic, so I don't really know anything more than you do (which I assume is very little). Espeonage has always seemed somewhat impulsive to me (I think you kinda have to be if you play Quidditch). The fact that it's the very first post points to a pre-planned fake town tell more than fearlessness to me anyway.

Unvote, vote: TIP

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This one, obviously?

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This one, obviously?

I know, but why would anyone think that I was part of that?

Because it's the sort of ridiculous thing you might go for?

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Let's stop all this pointless talk and get a wagon on scum going then.

Unvote, vote: Desperado

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Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

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It's a quote in that we only have his word for it.

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Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.

It's okay; I was mostly just trying to get an answer out of Action "CES wouldn't kill chamber" Dan. I only half feel like I should.

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Let me decode this--so you think he's not reading as closely as he should/that he should have noticed my post on the subject of the NK, or...?

It seemed like a thing worth looking into it given that he had just commented on reading you.

Satisfied?

Yarr. In the sense that I'm satisfied that we've established a scummy disconnect between posting reads and reading the thread in your behaviour.

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Deadline is in 2 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes
PeregrineV, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta, and MafiaSSK have been prodded.

Scum win. Guaranteed.

It was a discretionary prod, to be fair.

Given the lack of options, I'll

vote: PeregrineV

. At least his hammer was vaguely scummy?

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There is barely a correlation between Majiffy's townreads and influential players. I'm not sure why we would care about supposedly "strong" players, but I definitely wouldn't put half of Majiffy townreads in this category.

There aren't enough strong players in the game for that. Given what Majiffy had to work with, the group {Tierce, SpyreX, me} all seems a bit higher up than I'd expect and those are exactly the three biggest names in the game.

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Having an older join date does not safeguard you from being clueless!

SpyreX anno 2014 isn't SpyreX anno 2008 anyway. I'm not posting as much or as zealously as I did in my heyday either; if Tierce says she knows what's up with the Urquan, I trust her a hell of a lot more than you.

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P.S. Elscouta voting sirdan is pretty much a confession. That guy should get vigged.

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Why are you Even Night flavourwise, ABR?

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Shadoweh first, then ABR (who still hasn't even acknowledged my question as to why he's even-night, flavourwise).

Vote: Shadoweh

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After this one, I think CES is a very good scumdidate. The willingness to hit ABR after he said he was blocked(which I believe strongly) sounds to me like CES is scum, knew he was getting blocked, or jailkept, and tries to make town lynch him over that. it is also a wise decision - why kill someone when there's a wifom on him, and he is only even-night, so you can just block him whenever he manages to shoot?

So what you're saying is that if ABR is town, scum are just making the obvious play blocking him and this somehow ties into me being scum.

Spoiler: this is not how you scumhunt.

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Yeah, I don't buy Turgon, the king guy, being a VT.

Vote: ABR

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P.S. I wish I was scum with Tierce. I could day-neighborise her and everything.

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You could just take our word for it?

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You don't nightkill bodyguards anyway, especially if they have a RB.

And ABR has plenty of motivation to unclaim cop? Getting "RBed" night after night is not exactly going to look good and he just screwed up his claim. Turgon makes tons more sense as safe claim picked to support the cop claim than as a VT too.

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That's just silly. He could easily pull some innocents out of his ass. At some point he could even BANZAI by claiming a guilty (whom he would suspect to be PR or something), getting that lynched, then get himself quicklynched the net day, if the large amount of innocent + RB'd results would make people suspect him.

Oh right, the scum in a 18p game don't have any way of fighting a Cop and just let him live; mucho plausible. There's a reason the RB'd claim is a default, you know?

That's not at all what ABR did. I do not see his claim change as scum play, not as good scum play at least. ABR is better than that.

He literally said that he changed his claim based on saying that he got RBed start of the Day despite having claimed Even-Night. Why the hell would you make any argument on the supposition that ABR has any clue what he's doing?

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Majiffy categorically refused to hammer sirdan come deadline.

Targetting a town read N1 as a weak doctor to confirm that read (protecting sirdan seems marginal but Nat may have thought differently) wouldn't be a weird play either.

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I think you're town and I'd have deadline-lynched you too and that has nothing to do with your backwardness.

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He also categorically refused to hammer ABR. He said he wouldn't vote his townreads. Why would sirdan and ABR both be on the same level if Majiffy had confirmed sirdan as town to himself?

Saying you wouldn't vote your townreads with time left till deadline really isn't the same thing (and he said that in context of voting Tierce, which makes it inherently more reasonable - a pro-town Tierce is a pro-town force). I certainly wouldn't call what Majiffy said strong evidence for SpyreX's theory but the theory is reasonable.

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I think it's elscouta.

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CES, you're ignoring me again. Don't make me steal that wizard's hat and wrap it in tinfoil.

Oh yeah, that wasn't intentional. I'll try to get to it today?

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Those questions don't seem superrelevant if he gets nightkilled, so give the scum a Night to kill him before looking into this angle?

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Shadoweh's self-defeatist attitude leans scum because meta

@ Shadoweh: I wasn't just using one game. There were other things in your uPick play that weren't materializing here either. They still aren't.

When and why did you drop this completely, Desperado?

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That's probably the main thing I got out of ISOing Shadoweh, Tierce. Her approach to Esp I think does also imply Esptown - some early posts that address him as a townie and she says a few times later on that she's no longer interested in voting him, which seems like a thing you wouldn't want to draw attention to if it's your buddy and that buddy is Espeonage.

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Depends on a few things. I wouldn't've jailkept ABR here because his claim seemed sketchy.

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You don't know anything about whether Jacob targetted ABR last Night then?

I'm not even sure it matters that much given Jacob just claimed to have targetted ActionDan N3 when he said just last page that his actions N2 and N3 had been the obvious one.

Vote: Jacob

Desperado is still a good bet for scum for dropping his Shadowehread so discretely and then never showing any interest in that angle (nor having anything except the most generic possible excuse to justify it).

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Vote: desp

AD isn't looking all that good either.

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P.S. V/LA until Saturday.

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We're not going to lynch Tierce (or Spyspy for that matter) when ABR got JKed by the scum N2 and N3.

Desperado is the right lynch; I'd settle for Elscouta but I don't particularly think that's going to happen. ActionDan looks better now in hindsight given that JS claimed to target him, so I'd probably put Esp as the third best bet for scum.

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Yeah Desp and Tierce are the last two scum.

I assume that's why Spyspy tops your reads list.

Unvote, vote: Espeonage

I don't think Majiffyslot investigated sirdan but his alignment should be obvious regardless.

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Tierce, my angle is more that given JS changed his story from obvious targets to having targetted ActionDan under pressure, that might well be the truth? ActionDan certainly doesn't strike me as a bad role-cop target and it seems like a weird lie otherwise. On further thought, the possibility does occur to me that instead of changing his story, JS simply hadn't yet decided whom he fake-bodyguarded when he gave the initial answer, a possibility I'd normally rule out as ridiculous but maybe not here; even then it seems like a mild town tell for AD.

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Are you really here if you're not hammering?

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Vote: Desperado

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He's still most likely to be scum.

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Tierce, what do you think about the kill? Implicates Spyspy, no?

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You've been pretty null in a game with actually scummy people - the Tierce thing yesterday was a bit wacky but not really scum wacky. And I don't see why you'd kill sirdan either. So I'm guessing (hoping) no.

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Desperado and SpyreX at this point, maybe? I'm not really sure how much weight to give to the nightkill.

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The kill implicates me?

The one person who, 100%, said dan was town?

Yes? How does that not match with you killing him, exactly?

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More Despdeath, please.

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I don't think the kill implies SpyreX at all, CES?

Sirdankill implies either that scum made a mistake and/or had some weird motive. You can't imagine a busy SpyreX defaulting to sirdan who he said Majiffy had an innocent on?

And definitely not a DeSpyredo team. Desperado is Town; refer back to when I talked about Paradox Prime, where Vi and I (well, mostly I) thought he was too smart to be Town--he plays a mean scum game, wouldn't be the kind to jail ABR N3 as scum. Why on earth would he kill the person he is pushing, when Desp-scum is pretty confident in his abilities to not get caught and push his lynches?

Let's ask - Desperado, do you have a good scum game? Jail ABR N3, yes/no? Kill sirdanilot so you don't have to keep pushing him?

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I have to say that the kills look so dumb that im considerong a superpro scumteam. Tierce-ces scumteam, mark my words for endgame

Not in a 1000 years.

Elscouta, do you even have a suspect that, if scum, would particularly want you nightkilled? You're not an easy lynch here but if you look at the nightkills (apart from the sirdankill which presents its own challenges), when would you have been nightkilled in this game, really?

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Really CES. Tell me. What scumteam eould want sirdanilot dead? What scumteam would shoot zMuffin like that? Its shooting all the viable mislynches. Why would they keep me alive and kill sirdan when they can switch? This has gotta be some reverse psychology pre-engineered. Ergo, scum are competent. Very much so.

I'd assume MafiaSSK (not zMuffin) was killed for being a Tracker somehow. I agree that the sirdankill is quite a bit weirder but you'd have been the obvious target anyway, not Elscouta. Suggesting that scum is going for some sort of devious plan seems really silly when everyone seems to have different ideas as to what the kill signifies.

I can understand that you'd be surprised that Elscouta is alive, looking at it holistically; I just find it weirder that Elscouta is surprised when by my reckoning, I don't see any nightkill that should prompt that sort of thinking.

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Hadn't JS claimed then? I'd assume the scum team would have him make the kill then.

Does this mean you do actually have info on Tierce?

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I was going to make a point about all the scum looking like they had PRs but then I remembered Shadoweh being a Shieldrender, which does make most sense as a Strongman so then she would've made the nightkill. Which mostly renders N1 information moot; N2 would still be useful actually because we know a scum jailkeeper successfully targetted ABR (and by NAR, which Plum uses, you can roleblock jailkeepers) and N3 probably gives us the best info if you jailkept someone still alive then.

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Wait, who did you target last Night? Tierce? Because shos didn't get blocked this time.

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Or was I not meant to say that? Trying to get Tierce lynched based on just that case was a bit silly, honestly.

You should probably tell us who you're targetting before Night falls, which you probably know but it's still worth pointing out.

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The idea, I assume, is that as scum he wouldn't believe he couldn't confirm Jacob as town. I don't think it works though as the basic misunderstanding there seems to be that he's interpreting shos' claim of having seen a Jailkeeper target ABR as corresponding to the result "Protective and Roleblock" (as opposed to "Jailkeep") and Town mistakenly thinking that makes Jacob town seems plausible - it's also not that weird for ActionDanscum to start thinking in that direction as the Voyeur result on ABR was directly relevant to JS' alignment; it just confirmed him as scum instead of as town.

I'm Eärendil, VT. I hope you're jealous, Tierce, I get to slay dragons.

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I expected to see someone jump out and try to do something but it failed. in fact, i *have* been jailkept again.

Oh. Boo.

PeregrineV, give us your N4 target and tell us why you didn't spot the importance of your N5 target even with me explicitly telling you why it was important.

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(and by NAR, which Plum uses, you can roleblock jailkeepers)

Wait, who did you target last Night? Tierce? Because shos didn't get blocked this time.

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Anyway, you should be fullclaiming.

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How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

So what? The intent behind the post was still to confirm Jacob as town, was it not?

No you don't get it.

as town, he would think that I can confirm JS as town, and say that.
as scum, he would KNOW that JS lied, therefore, he would KNOW that JS fakeclaimed, and he would KNOW that I am town, and therefore he would KNOW that I'm not lying, meaning that I KNOW that JS did NOT target him; therefore, posting that post was precisely confirming JSscum for shostown. so unless he thought a 1v1 between me and JS can result with my lynch, that would be a very stupid move to bring to light, since nobody thought about that at the time.

Therefore, this is incentive to think ActionDan is actually town.

But he seemed to think that you did get "protective"? In which case we could've incorrectly cleared Jacob.

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How can I incorrectly clear Jacob? I'm not following the line of thought.

If you get the result "protective + roleblock" instead of "jailkeep" (which is what ActionDan seemed to be assuming), then it is actually more obvious to think Jacob targetted ABR along with a Mafia Roleblocker rather than the slightly weirder Mafia Jailkeeper.

Yeah, the 5 scum angle seems really unlikely here, what with 3 scum PRs already confirmed. And then Desperado as final scum? Seems pretty nice to me.

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New proposal: we have no claimed protective roles left and one claimed investigative that is under heavy suspicion. We are at Even's, and we could be at MyLo if three scum are left.

Why not No Lynch?

Tierce/Pere just kills shos and we're not any closer.

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The combination of PereVscum requiring 5 scum and the elaborate way he claimed is too much to ignore (+ I don't really like our odds of winning against a 3 man scum team).

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Unvote, vote: Tierce

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Oh, that, yeah. Actually, I did consider that angle but I didn't find it all that convincing? I could say why but Pere should probably answer first.

The "THIS ISN'T HAPPENING" post gives me more doubts, really. Maybe not make this decision before going to bed then.

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If he was prepping a Jailkeeper claim though, how was he supposed to have a guilty on you? The only way that worked was if shos hadn't been roleblocked.

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Which shos had said he wasn't, so...?

Doesn't matter. Scum would know better and that doesn't match your proposed rationale for unclaiming Jailkeeper.

If you're town, Tierce, there's a 3-man scum team out there to catch with connections between them. So catch that scum team.

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Which shos had said he wasn't, so...?

Doesn't matter. Scum would know better and that doesn't match your proposed rationale for unclaiming Jailkeeper.

If you're town, Tierce, there's a 3-man scum team out there to catch with connections between them. So catch that scum team.

Like this

I'm not expressing a belief in a 5-man scum team there. I'm trying to see where Tierce takes that logic.

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But yeah, Pere, you should respond to #2263.

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Vote: Tierce

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Well, that makes me feel better.

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Pretty sure Tierce will flip goon, so JK/?? is still out there.

Which is good because it means your results clear people from being the Jailkeeper.

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People can forward relevant info if they have any.

Could just be a missed Night action, to be fair, not sure. Let's just

Vote: Desperado

for now.

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Benmage did intentionally no-kill once in order to draw a Tracker-innocent and lucked out.

We can't really lose this anyway with 3 lynches left - you and PereV have rock-solid claims whereas Elscouta and ActionDan got tracked nowhere so can't be the Mafia Jailkeeper (ActionDan technically still can be but that doesn't seem superrelevant).

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Scum could just kill the Tracker.

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Yeah, Desp feels like he's contrary on purpose. Plus, I remember Tierce needlessly defending him earlier.

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Wait a second.

I'm pretty sure MafiaSSK crumbed tracking me N1, so I don't make sense as the Jailkeeper. Why do I keep forgetting that. Desp is the lynch.

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Vote: MafiaSSK

No, just looked back through his ISO.

@mafiaSSK

- Where has your CES=scummy scum scum read gone to?

Vote: Shadow

It's disappeared. But for good reason. But it's gone.

Seems pretty clear to me?

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If you track someone and get a result, that might give you pause about lynching them (unless you really think the target implicates that they're a certain PR), but it shouldn't make you think they were town - there is a higher percentage of scum with actions than town with actions in most games. I mean, I got scum lynched in Author Mafia based on a Tracker result on a Night without a kill.

It's definitely a bit much to think I'm town based on a Tracker innocent but it is an attitude that I know people have and that's what the crumb says.

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What's your role name by the bye, ActionDan?

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If he was trying to do that, there are tons of things he could've said - just say you're shelving it for now or have bigger fish to fry or want to see how certain things develop first; he could've also just not responded. You're ignoring the actual content of the crumb in favour of trying to make it a clean fit (which you can't actually do).

None of this should matter overly much anyway; give me my Desperadolynch and the game should be over. He's not even really trying at this point; just half-heartedly pushing ActionDan, not even addressing the ActionDan track result.

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ABR, you realize that if scum hadn't roleblocked you, your gambit would've resulted in shos being outed and you getting lynched D3, already having caused D2 to go to a no-lynch? I don't think you're in any position to come in here and gloat.

I'm glad I at least got Desperado right because of my play apart from that wasn't all that sparkling.

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Take Sirdani for example. Why do you think he wasn;t lynched? And you guys had to NK him instead.

That was just a bad nightkill, really. Sirdan came pretty close to getting lynched.