Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:38 am

like, if you actually think there's even a slight chance i'm scum here, then you're deluded or scum

you can scour my ISO for scum motivation and you won't find it. because it's not there. i am very rarely as obvtown as i've been in this game

like, even if you take away my role (which essentially makes me the closest thing to conf-town that's left in this game, unless you wanna go full tinfoil paranoia), my play is so atypical of my scum game that the only people who think it's possible i'm scum here are people who are either scum or just don't know how i play at all. like, even though i'm somewhat known for trying to imitate my town game as scum, it's always a flawed imitation and players like pieguy are somewhat adept at seeing through it.

speaking of, and i don't really care if you think this is wifom, neither of the kills last night make any sense from a muffin-scum perspective. like *maybe* pieguy just by virtue of his role, but both of those players were strongly town reading me and i'd have had no need to kill them off immediately if i were scum. and even if you want to argue wifom or some other such bullshit here, i don't do stupid shit like that as scum unless there's some tangible benefit in doing it, so while i *may* kill someone purely for wifom purposes sometimes, it's too risky a play for me to make as scum here when i'd be better off killing someone like you if i were scum

i don't think it's possible for me to be more obvtown than i am in this game

and really, kat, if you are town (despite doing your utmost to be like, "fuck you, i take your town read on me and shit all over it") you're still around because scum are counting on you to be a derp here

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:53 am

AD is kill cop
i am tracker

also GCBC still cannot be SK
jaqen and pie both confirmed mafiassk-slot giving them inventions
nacho is semi-confirmed to be visitor atm unless gcbc lied about receiving music

like. you basically got everything you could possibly get wrong wrong there

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:54 am

and if it is 4:1:2 atm and you do happen to be town, you're basically giving away any chance of a town win here and you don't even have a proper picture of the game

like wow

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:06 am

btw, why

are

you assuming 3 scum here?

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:10 am

In post 5575, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
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it would be pretty fucking disgusting if this actually is a scum slip and i can't do anything about it because it really is 3:1:3

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:19 am

..........

4:1:2 meaning 2 scum left

yes kagami shit
pieguy mentioned the follow D3 so it's doubful it's a "kill mark" or anything. if not for kagami rolestopping him, he'd have followed me and we wouldn't be having this dumb fuck conversation about me possibly being scum coz i'd be practically confirmed. as for the bp vests thing, i dunno
also no idea what you're trying to get at with visitor + ninja

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:28 am

also don't really see how visitor is a "convenient" thing to claim - like if gcbc wasn't lying, he plays music to whoever he visits, soooooooooooooooooooooo uh

like

you clearly don't have a grasp of what's going on in this game

and if you're actually town, you're going full retard atm

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:42 am

you've basically said you don't give a shit about this game anymore, you don't care that i'm town, you're just going to tunnel me because "gut" and ignore all evidence to the contrary because.... durrrr

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:43 pm

ad

what do you think about lynching bubba today

way i see it is if it's 3:1:3 we've basically already lost. if it's 4:1:2 our best chance of winning is hitting sk today (coz hitting mafia will just likely put us in a kingmaker scenario where we can't really win)

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:53 pm

@bubba

ad's claim has nothing to do with mine but if you were actually reading (lol) you'd have seen kat mixed up our claims

and if you were town you'd realise how dumb what you're saying is coz even if I were scum with ad, you suggestion (me->ad) means auto town loss to sk unless scum cross kill tonight (and it would be optimal play not to)

like you couldn't make it any more obvious you're not thinking like a townie

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:56 pm

@ad

i think hoping for cross kills is a pipe dream. scum have literally no reason not to work with each other or at least not target each other if we hit mafia today

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:11 am

i would put him at l-1 but i want to see what kat and gcbc say here without giving anyone a chance to cut off discussion

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:40 pm

yeah, well (a) you're not town, (b) i'm not scum so even if you were town, you'd just hit the dead QT and be berated for fucking awful play, and (c) the game isn't going to end today regardless of who gets lynched unless it's 3:1:3 and you're SK so lol

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:42 pm

like literally your only contributions to the game for the last... whatever day phases, are calling AD and i scum (but never for any reasons that make sense and when questioned about it and having your arguments absolutely destroyed, you still push them), then when opportunity presents itself jumping on any mislynch you can

you're not town

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:54 am

oh, shit? you're not the SK? and you're town?

well, that clears you, i guess

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:58 am

actually, that gives me an idea.

@nacho, are you SK?
@AD, are you SK?
@kat, are you SK?
@mafiassk, are you SK?
@gcbc, are you SK?

this should clear up who the SK is. there is no way the SK would lie and say he's not the SK

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:04 am

i would engage you in conversation about how wrong all of your points are but you're not town and all of your points are hilariously off

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:28 am

like, here's a basic run down of why your argument holds no water:

- scum didn't have daytalk D2, so you're suggesting the bus and kill cop claim was planned N1
- over half the remaining living players hadn't claimed when i claimed, so you're suggesting we somehow knew that nobody else had a role that countered ninja (coz if someone else did, i wouldn't be near conf-town like i am, duh?)
- you're not taking into account the fact that even in spite of all that, we wouldn't have been able to predict how the SK was going to choose his targets
- and despite being basically proven wrong over and over with logical proof, you still illogically insist there was a guilty on me - derp derp derp derp derp

also, if you knew anything about how to do a VCA, you'd know that whether or not i'm voting isn't important (because proper VCAs take into account those not voting as well). and if you knew anything about my playstyle, you'd know that not being active with my vote is actually more common for me when i'm town (because i'm more conscious about being called out on it when i'm scum, but i don't give a fuck about it when i'm town).

if you were actually analysing the game in a town way, you'd know everything you're saying is wrong. your play for the last few day phases has been to ignore all the obvious things that show you're blatantly wrong about everything you write, keep insisting you're right, then hop on mislynches that make absolutely no sense given your supposed reads. coz if you were fucking town, your votes on varsoon and saki never would have happened

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:42 am

why is cabd posting everywhere but here?

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:44 am

you don't know how tempted i am to just hammer this scum fuck here and now

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:19 am

bubba wrote:Luck. It's a fabulous thing. You probably figured no one would actually be tracker with a ninja.

YES, BECAUSE THAT IS A SENSIBLE AND LOGICAL ASSUMPTION TO MAKE

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

bubba wrote:What does this have to do with anything?

because your argument is that we came up with a plan to "confirm" ourselves as town, but that potentially puts a HUGE FUCKING TARGET on our heads given there is a SK in play

bubba wrote:"I keep proving you wrong". Lol dude you keep saying this, and you keep not backing it up

i have literally shown you multiple times that you're wrong, but you keep ignoring it. holy shit you're dense

bubba wrote:Saki hammer I have no regrets. She lied about her role, and if she was ACTUALLY Vegefull it was good. Varsoon was just as much my fault as everyone else voting him. He fucking self hammered.

THESE ARE NOT JUSTIFICATIONS FOR EITHER OF THOSE VOTES.

you couldn't have known saki was lying about his role before you lynched him, and given your stance on the game and the fact that he said he was considering vengeful killing GCBC, nacho or me, there is a 2/3 chance saki would have venge-killed a supposed town read of yours had he really been vengeful
YOURS HAD HE REALLY BEEN VENGEFUL

and varsoon self-hammering does not fucking justify why you voted him in the first place. there is a pretty fucking huge chronological issue here that you seem to be overlooking unless you're trying to suggest he self-hammered after you voted him?

bubba wrote:Too bad you KNOW I'm flipping town. Otherwise you WOULD have hammered by now.

yeah........... because in this situation it makes perfect sense for me not to hammer you if i were scum when, if you were actually town, hammering you would pretty much guarantee that i couldn't lose

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:21 am

unless you're trying to suggest he self-hammered before you voted him*

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:35 am

actually

fuck it

i was waiting for cabd/kat to write some actual meaningful content

but i'm not going to hold my breath waiting here when cabd doesn't seem to give a shit and kat is being kat

and i run the risk of them hammering you and not giving me the massive amounts of satisfaction i get from doing this

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zMuffinMan · Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:42 am

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In post 5008, zMuffinMan wrote:i'll cut my dick off and eat it if bubba flips town

pls no one hold me to this. i have never tried this before, but i think it will hurt and i do not think i will like it all that much

zMuffinMan · Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:15 am

if it were 4 scum with double kills then they could have ended the game last night, no?

also, pretty sure being able to send fake reports would be considered bastard (and i doubt kise would have claimed if he were giving fake reports since that seems rather dumb)

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:34 am

. . . . .

except you have no reason to work with anyone because if we lynch scum today, you're just going to shoot at town, and if you're full bulletproof scum can't do anything about you at night, so we're basically in a position where town can't win

compounded by the fact that *if* you really shot me last night, scum have some way of blocking you

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:58 am

yeah, so our chance of winning today is (a) lynching scum, then (b) hoping you don't shoot town (which you will try to do)

and of course you had fun this game. YOU'RE FUCKING SCUM

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:04 pm

i don't have a better suggestion but every way you look at it, it's a sk win or scum win so fuck this game

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:17 pm

no

if scum can block you, all they need is a mislynch and then block you, kill town and win

so fuck this game

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:18 pm

also cabd is a dumb shit for self voting

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:37 pm

*shrug*

you're either lying (which wouldn't surprise me at all) or you're wrong

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:50 pm

actually

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:53 pm

nope town can't win. even if we do lynch scum today, optimal scum play is for them to just declare their partner and no kill. town win is literally impossible

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:03 pm

you don't win 1:1:1

in a situation where it's impossible for town to win, it's entirely up to town whether you live or die. and it's not playing against win con since town can't win

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:08 pm

like if i make it to 1:1:1 im prob just gonna choose whoever i like better

coz technically it's impossible for town to win here (and completely out of my hands as well)

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:10 pm

ie id start buddying the fuck out of me if i were you

zMuffinMan · Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:22 pm

heh

im just realising you got cocky thinking you couldn't lose and didn't take that into account

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:38 am

was actually using vote tags

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:49 am

OK, i've had my fun

i see the scenario where we outright win by having one of nacho/kat lynched and the other killed by AD as so unlikely that it's not worth pursuing (even if AD hadn't figured out it's me/mafiassk as scum, he would almost certainly shoot at one of us tonight if we aren't lynched today)

so there are three ways this game plays out right now

(1) the first is AD helps us lynch one of kat/nacho, in which case we either no kill or shoot at AD (for the third time but fail because he's full bulletproof) and AD shoots at one of us and we're 1:1:1 tomorrow except town has 0 chance of winning because we can't cross kill - and the remaining townie gets to choose which scum faction wins
(2) the second is AD helps kat/nacho lynch one of us, in which case we no kill (or shoot at AD again) and AD has no choice but to shoot at one of kat/nacho and we're at 1:1:1 tomorrow except town has 0 chance of winning (again) - and the remaining townie gets to choose which scum faction wins
(3) the third is we lynch AD today and end this godforsaken game once and for all

i prefer the third option, obviously, since it's a win for me, but it's also the quickest end to the game for kat/nacho given they have literally no chance of winning now that i've outed myself/mafiassk as the scum team.

even if you don't choose the third option, we're now playing a round of survival tribal council, touhou mafia edition, where kat/nacho choose which scum faction wins this game

PS: i'll be your bestest fwend if you help us lynch AD and end the game today. it's better than dragging this shit out.

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:49 am

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:58 am

wanna try to guess what mafiassk's role actually is?

as far as kills go, i didn't want to kill kaze. i had no part in that one. dunno why cok chose that kill but whatever

we cross killed lush N2, but we didn't know they were a cop. it's rather funny, because i know they had a guilty on me N1 but it's D8 now and i'm still alive. N2 is also funny for other reasons. kise gave pieguy a follow N1 (and i wasn't sure whether it was a track or follow at the time) so i devised a plan to track kat N2 knowing pieguy was going to target me (lol). unfortunately, kagami blocked pieguy that night :<

N3 onwards were pretty much utility kills: kagami could block kills, notscience could protect from kills, pieguy conftown, and we shot AD the last two nights

i also know you strongman'd jaqen coz he was bulletproof (lol) - the rolecop thing he was doing was funny because everything i said to him about checking me etc was knowing he couldn't actually check me

sorry dandy. i didn't wanna be scum. sorry pieguy. never again will you trust me.

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:00 am

did you get remilia as a fake-claim btw?

coz we didn't get fake-claims (role or flavour, though flavour probably only mattered for you coz i'm pretty sure gif has talked about mima SK before)

the tracker thing with no town counter was total luck. plus i actually am a tracker-rolecop and figured i'd play like i was a tracker. guessing 2-shot was like lololol everyone else seems to be claiming X-shot so i will as well

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:01 am

also it's not mean. you've set it up so it's going to go to 1:1:1 tomorrow and town will choose who wins. i'm fast-tracking that.

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:02 am

i _really_ thought we'd win last night, too, coz i figured 1-shot bulletproof. but alas, full bulletproof :<

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:15 am

well, that makes things easier, since now town are choosing who wins today rather than tomorrow

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:16 am

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:16 am

can you feel the seething rage from the dead QT?

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:19 am

i was basically doing the obvious kills in hopes you would shoot the less obvious but still crucial kills people

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:25 am

oh right, you started shooting at people you thought were scum to get the dayvig shot (sakura, cabd)

that makes sense

mafiassk is a full inventor but has to compulsively give inventions to not-bad-girls on odd nights (pie n1, jaqen n3, you n5, nacho last night)

i'm a full rolecop/tracker (one or the other) but since mafiassk compulsively gives inventions odd nights, and i can't use my ability and perform the night kill, i basically stopped using my ability N2. pretty much performed kill every night and had mafiassk give me BP every night he could

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:25 am

also you didn't really give town a chance to win

you lied to them and gave them false hope

that is why they should lynch you

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:26 am

i was being honest with them

and i'll be their bestest fwend if they vote you, and i won't be their fwend if they don't.

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:33 am

i feel we were rather underpowered given the sheer amount of town power in this game. though i suppose that will always be the case when you bus your encryptor strongman D1 lolololol

shoulda seen me in the QT at the time. "oh god pls don't lynch gaiden i don't wanna bus. LYNCH VARSOON. LYNCH HIM"

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:34 am

also literally had no idea

nacho had the "kill cop" investigation
i did track kat n2 and saw her go nowhere
GCBC could only be SK if ascetic
and i didn't realise you lucked out on the cok thing

didn't care either. figured it wasn't important

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:35 am

i mean had you died and flipped town and SK killed anyone, we were gonna end up in a 2:1:1 and pretty much the same situation as this

so literally stopped caring who was SK when stuff didn't make sense

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:39 am

i couldn't really vote varsoon, at least not after what i'd been saying about him all D1. wouldn't have made sense

i mean, i suppose i could have, but i was kinda hoping varsoon would lynch himself (like what eventually happened, ya know?)

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:44 am

anyway

this is the part where i go off and form alliances to beat you at tribal council

nacho

you and me, bro

we take down this AD guy

he won't see what's coming

all stuck-up trying to trick us into letting him win

i wouldn't put up with that if i were you

i want you to go into the next room and write AD's name down on that piece of paper, and call him a jerk on national TV

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:46 am

kat,

i dunno. i feel i wronged you this game.

but

AD is a jerk

i hear he ran over a dog last week

didn't stop. didn't even acknowledge he'd done it. just kept on driving.

can you really stand to let a jerk like him win this?

don't take that

the nonon avatar was better. but you can be forgiven for changing the avatar if you vote AD

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:48 am

look at him

spinning bottle in his avatar

he's just taunting you now

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:51 am

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:07 am

ill vote mafiassk with you guys tomorrow if you vote AD today

promise

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:09 am

AD wrote:If you vote Zmuffinman I'll play the next 10 LoL games as one or the other in your honor.

ALSO

AD IS LYING TO YOU GUYS

IF YOU VOTE ME, YOU WILL LOSE

PLEDGE YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO THE SCUM, WE WILL HAVE MERCY ON YOU, AND YOU CAN WIN WITH US

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:13 am

why does town even want to lynch scum? has anyone even stopped to think about it? are we really that different?

we share interests, we enjoy the same things, we speak the same language, we both want AD to lose. let's get rid of these silly names that serve only to discriminate and cause hatred between those of us who can kill and those of us who can't.

we are all the same, deep down. and we all want to lynch AD

do some soul searching. you will know it to be true.

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:15 am

i had an uncle who was town. he taught me everything i know. i'm one of you. but AD? he kills town with a grin on his face. no remorse. people like him disgust me. and they should disgust you, too

that is why

the correct move here

is to vote AD

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:18 am

AD, do you eat nachos?

don't answer this

i already know you do

with not even a care for nacho's feelings

smh

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:24 am

what am i doing? i forgot the most crucial part about voting for scum

COLOURS

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:24 am

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zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:25 am

ewww tha looks ugly

but it matches the colour of actiondan's soul, so i guess it's fitting

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:04 am

if i didn't know any better, i'd say mafiassk is bussing

hmm

AD probably scum

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:06 am

AD why are you trying to slander us?

do you have some sort of hidden agenda!?

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:08 am

nope, i already asked gif, he said your wincon > scum's

see, more lies and deceit

LIES AND DECEIT ARE ALL YOU KNOW

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:09 am

i've only lied like ... once or twice this game? or maybe fifty or a hundred times, but who's counting

main point here is, AD is a nazi sympathiser

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:16 am

no, i didn't do that, that was my brother

more lies and deceit

when will it end?

the power is in your hands kat/nacho

make it stop before you can no longer tell truth from lies

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:09 pm

nacho

do me a favour

i wanna test a theory i have. i think if someone votes AD something really amazing is going to happen

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:20 pm

he claimed

AD wrote:I am AD, Hater Of Everything Good In This World

imo that was a scum claim, even though his actions match his claim

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:22 pm

nacho, game is over. town can't win.

lynch town today = SK win
lynch scum today = SK win
lynch SK today = scum win

you get to choose which scum you want to win

choose wisely

friendship is at stake

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:32 pm

well, yes, i suppose that is theoretically possible

but AD is a dirty scumbag meanie so he's not gonna let you do that...

tell you what, though

my win con explicitly states i don't win til my faction is the only one alive or nothing can prevent this.

help me lynch AD today, i'll no kill tonight and help you lynch mafiassk

deal?

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:33 pm

help you lynch mafiassk tomorrow*

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:34 pm

then you still have a fighting chance. and you know me, i wouldn't lie. ever. so you can trust i'm telling the truth about this

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:40 pm

it was. incredibly lucky, but still pretty good

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:41 pm

though i can't really talk about luck because lol no other counters to ninja and i'm still alive d8 with a guilty on me n1

zMuffinMan · Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:47 pm

nacho, did you hear that?

wtf

it sounded like murmurs from the dead thread, telling you to hammer AD

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 am

is that who was telling nacho to hammer you?

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 am

thank you, mollie, it's nice to have you on my side

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:18 am

actually gif slipped up in the scum QT last night and basically told me that mollie stopped caring about the guilty on me well over a month ago, instead she was rather disappointed with town letting you get away with your dastardly deeds (her words)

i think hammering AD is what she would have wanted

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:19 am

also i was suspicious of cok, too, and it wasn't a guess either

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:20 am

gaiden wasn't a guess either fyi

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:21 am

heh

i just realised

that i was implying you "got lucky"

with cok

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:37 am

wait, wait, wait, something just hit me.

maybe AD is factional scum and town still have a chance of winning if we lynch him?

it all makes sense. of course AD would claim SK, it is the only way to save himself from the lynch today!

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:39 am

it all makes sense, that would explain why mollie is screaming for his lynch

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:42 am

mollie, don't worry, i'll try to carry out your wishes and win this game for you

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:47 am

i don't see how "SSK" gives away anything?

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:47 am

or are you implying he is SK?

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:48 am

coz that would be admitting you're lying scum and need to be lynched

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:50 am

self-hammer?

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:50 am

you're caught scum. theory dictates self-hammering here is your best option

give town as little information as possible

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:08 am

nacho, i'm beginning to think your AD's buddy. is there a reason you're not hammering him?

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:10 am

the offer i made to you in #5745 still stands

i don't see AD making a similar offer. because he is a greedy scum butt who wants to make town lose

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:16 am

wanna play hangman, AD?

i'll go first

[-]----: ---------[/-]

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:50 am

no that's wrong

well technically not wrong, but wrong

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:51 am

though i'm surprised you counted the characters

only people who deserved to be lynched count characters

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:53 am

in another game, in another universe, we could have been best of friends. we both have names ending in an, we both have names starting with a letter at one end of the alphabet. with so much in common, it's a pity it had to come to this

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:37 am

kat, you could just end the game now by voting AD - it's a loss for you either way, but at least you're not letting a known nazi sympathiser win

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:42 am

k hitler

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:49 pm

no but seriously someone just vote AD and end the game

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:05 pm

nah, even if voting you weren't a righteous thing to do, kat could just put this game out of its misery and vote you

instead she sides with the nazis and prolongs this game unnecessarily

i'm disappointed in kat. *tsk* *tsk*

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:05 pm

hopefully nacho will see the light

vote AD and go down in history as a hero

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:11 pm

basically if nacho votes with you, you're going to slit the throats of one of the people voting with you - coz you're a meanie

whereas i am a merciful overlord - i would spare them so that they can live long, rich, fulfilling lives as my minions

the choice here is obvious

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:13 pm

we also have the option of running out this day phase and lynching by plurality, so i'm fine with nacho not voting if he feels he is unable to bring himself to make the right choice and vote for you

zMuffinMan · Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:19 pm

this game ending in a plurality lynch would be pretty funny though

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:14 am

how do you decide 2-player hangman?

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:12 am

rap battle prob easier

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:13 am

let's do this, AD?

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:41 am

GIVE ME A BEAT, NACHO

...

MC Muffin is a genius,
Showing town no lenience,
Pushing mislynches like I run the place and getting full obedience

A guilty on me ain't nothin',
You can't mess with Muffin,
I'll take you down easily, leaving you huffin' and puffin'

All AD's done is coast,
And now he wants to boast,
Thinks he's cool 'coz he's a ghost,
But he ain't nothin' but burnt toast

He lucked out with the cok,
When his head was on the block,
But nothing like how I rocked,
And played you all like I am Bach

I ran the place like I'm a boss,
For my team I carried the cross,
And if AD didn't have some overpowered role it'd already be his loss

I played pieguy like a fool,
Used Jaqen like a tool,
Tricked Varsoon into townreading me while calling him uncool
I controlled this game the whole time and showed you all who rules,
I mean, holy shit, how much did you all get schooled?

Sure, Kat and Bubba may have suspected me but they couldn't get me lynched,
'coz I town it up like my shit is green when I'm in a pinch

Meanwhile, what's AD done?
Fired his gun,
Dodged prods a ton,
Lurked and coasted and killed the fun,
Hid in the tangled web I'd spun,
I guess his name is just for show 'coz there ain't been no action

Sure, he had his fake claim,
Luckiest thing in this game,
But letting him win because of that would be fucking lame,
Serendipity favoured him, he doesn't deserve acclaim,
Now that stuff I did with my tracker claim? That puts his shit to shame

If he wins this game, it'll be on my shoulders,
I carried both my team and him while moving boulders

All the while receiving flak,
With a guilty on my back,
Against a town that was stacked,
And a SK that did jack

A rap battle to decide this game? This isn't even a brawl,
I'll leave AD crying in a corner while tucked into a ball,
So hammer AD and end this game once and for all,
Letting him win would just leave everyone else appalled

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:00 am

side note: imo more games shiouild be deicided by rap battles. this is how mafia *should* be played

zMuffinMan · Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:35 am

i am thinking of adopting rap battles to decide lylos in every game actually

zMuffinMan · Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:03 am

AD

wHeRe yOu @ DawG

zMuffinMan · Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:42 pm

thank you, mafiassk

your help is much appreciated but i would prefer if you sit this one out

i feel it would be a hollow victory if we won because AD was too intimidated to go up against a master rapist like yourself

zMuffinMan · Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:42 pm

master rapper*

zMuffinMan · Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:44 pm

hello, gif

can you please prod kat?

i feel her lurking could be because she's scum

zMuffinMan · Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:46 pm

is... is it happening in this day phase?

zMuffinMan · Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:47 pm

@mod

i think we need a replacement for kat

she's clearly not interested in playing this game

zMuffinMan · Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:48 am

nacho,

i dare you to just hammer AD

double-dare you, even

zMuffinMan · Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:21 am

zMuffinMan · Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:24 am

saturday, then? we can make it a date

zMuffinMan · Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:34 am

fine

@Kat,

What are your current scum reads?

zMuffinMan · Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:35 am

there now she feels included

zMuffinMan · Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:38 pm

kat you're being very antitown atm

pla stop

zMuffinMan · Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:02 pm

if you were serious about wanting me out of this game, you could hammer AD

it would achieve the same thing

but i think you're lying

perhaps because you're scum?

zMuffinMan · Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:20 pm

would you believe that i was gambiting and i'm actually town and AD is scum and you should lynch him?

zMuffinMan · Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:21 pm

i claimed scum as an april fool's joke?

zMuffinMan · Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:17 am

wow

u really r scum

zMuffinMan · Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:25 am

not around til 12 hours from now anyway

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:58 pm

welllllll

it's sunday now and i'm going out for the day in a couple hours

you've let me down, AD. you've let me down

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:55 pm

you made the right choice, nacho

as per deal in 5745, we no kill tonight and i help you lynch mafiassk tomorrow, then i no-kill again and we have a free-for-all the next day

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:56 pm

at which point i will, of course, be asking you to vote kat, so i guess the next rap battle (or only rap battle) this game will be taking place between kat and i?

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:14 pm

shooting town last night wouldn't have changed much, and if you were 1-shot, we would have won the game (you'll see my thought process there if you read our QT - basically if you shot anyone but mafiassk and you were 1-shot bp, gg - and given mafiassk gave you that report, i was gambling on you not hitting mafiassk before anyone else)

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:21 pm

losing because of a rap is the noblest way to lose

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:25 pm

i had prepared half a response to whatever you were going to write first in the rap battle. i was waiting for you to do something so i could write the first half of my response

i copy pasted it into notepad for when we had our battle but it never happened :<

Spoiler:

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:35 pm

that was always going to happen in this day phase though

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:37 pm

i mean, regardless of who won here, it was going to be because town decided it (i.e. not mafia-related) since their win con couldn't be achieved

(and even before i claimed, that was going to be the case like 99.999%)

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:43 pm

technically i didn't prepare the first one (other than writing it) so that was off the cuff

zMuffinMan · Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:45 pm

i mean, it's not exactly a win i'm going to have fond thoughts of but eh. dem's da breaks in a situation like this

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:50 am

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/yKyy2gGnvNH

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:27 am

role PMs would be nice to see - mostly because i want to see how the SK's win con was worded - and night actions plx

also dead/mason QT

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:37 am

that's pretty cool. pretty much what i expected mc's role to be when he claimed it

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:28 am

f y i

there was no way for a town win in this game so i don't know what the people in the dead QT were on about near the end

if i was lynched on the final day, AD had no choice but to shoot at town (he couldn't shoot at scum) and if he shot at town and mafiassk shot at him (or did anything except no kill) then town was going to lose

anyway, gg, i had fun - i know it probably wasn't the most fun for town but *shrug*

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:35 am

mollie wrote:I suppose it takes balls to directly work against a flipped cop's read when they made it kind of clear that he was scum. I am not quite sure how that happened.

*shrug* i've seen this a fair bit lately and i think it's really, really bad play on a theory level - if you have a guilty on someone, you should really be pushing it and no one else; anyone else you think is scum can wait. the fact that there was an angle i could push to muddy the waters on top of my claim and other stuff meant that, with some help from nacho, i was able to at least spread doubt about your result

i also think it's especially bad play in what was obviously a role madness game where there was basically guaranteed to be some sort of protective role (and, not including the mafia inventor, there was a full doc and a modified-JK) and given you were odd-night, you would have had to survive til D4 to get another result anyway?

it's something i noticed across a lot of games, but people really value keeping their roles hidden for nonsensical reasons when it seems far better to just have all the information on the table (PV seems to do this a lot and i've cringed both times i've seen him do it - particularly in gondolin, where tierce was able to spread a little doubt because of PV's pure derp - tierce got lynched anyway, but that shouldn't be possible); it baffles me when i see it happen

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:41 am

(also i'm not saying you necessarily needed to claim, but at the very least if your plan was to not claim, then leave

absolutely no room

for ambiguity)

zMuffinMan · Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:47 pm

bork wrote:I'm not saying we were perfect, but let's not put all the culpability on us here.

i don't actually think anyone's blaming you

at least i was just saying if you want to avoid it happening in the future, don't leave wiggle room