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Idk what AP is like
Mastin overanalyzes little things
I'm not inclined to think BandB is scum at this point in time, but I wouldn't be against lynching them just to remove them from the game if they're going to spam the whole time.
This isn't the time and place for that. Use your hydra QT to organize thoughts pls. I have a hard enough time deciphering what's bullshit and what isn't as it is.
Agar could be scum. Organizing the town is the easy scum play for day 1. Idk is Agar's the one I want to see flip day 1 though.
Right now I'm not sure if I'd rather see Serene2 or InfiiniteJesters flip. I'll be back in a moment with an answer to that.
Not committing to next post being a vote.
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There's something in the Jordan/Goat interaction that I don't like. <-Note for later, or anybody that wants to try to do my job for me while I decide which of Serene or Jesters I like less.or something like that....-
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this has been the only game-relevant post so far by Jordan.In post 116, ~Jordan` wrote:I'm going tovote Serenenow so that I feel compelled to explain why before bedtime.
Context hasn't been explained, and I don't want to consider voting Serene while this vote is still in play.
The fact that Jordan is ignoring me for no reason I can think of tells me it's a scum vote, or a vote by town who needs to not be in this game.or something like that....-
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Is being intentionally obtuse supposed to detract from my point in some way?~Jordan` wrote:I'm not ignoring you, and I've already asserted when I will provide my explanation. Your tantrum will not change my timetable.
I asked you to give an answer. My response to you not giving it to me was to think you're scum.
There's no reason here for you to not tell me why you're voting Serene.
Most likely you're buying time since you don't actually have a reason.or something like that....-
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I'm going to leave to play video games and probably sleep. I might appear later or might not.
There's no reason for me to think Venmar is scum other than the vote on Agar and subsequent shitposting.
Jesters reads more scum to me than B&B. B&B seems town to me so far.
Serene is way too gentle with the Agar situation. Easy if they know Agar's town. Won't consider voting here while there are shit votes in play.
Sven is making all the easy points. This doesn't mean scum. But it can.
Agar scum is possible. I don't think there's enough information to tell tbh.
idk what to think of Zdenek
ika is probably town. only one post so it's not like I can tell for sure.
brian is in the game. *shrugs*
vote remains on Jordan!
There's nothing that suggests that my vote is in the wrong place. You should work on that since it's your problem.
k byeor something like that....-
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You wanna go into more detail about why you think Jordan's town?
Because I don't see it.
Start posting like town or don't. There's no reason to make us wait. Ain't nobody got time fo that.
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If Agar is so not town why aren't you voting him? Why is your vote still on Serene?or something like that....-
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All I want is an explanation for the serene vote
is that really so much to ask for?
I don't need a fucking 12 paragraph break down of the vote.
It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to do so much as quote a post and highlight the scummy part of it.
The fact that it's page 13 and I'm still waiting for basic information tells me that jordan got called out for something he didn't expect to get called out for.
It seems a hell of a lot more compelling to me than the "Agar's organizing town, LYNCH HIM" argument which should have absolutely no basis on its own d1 but somehow has a decent following.
The only actual play jordan has made has been
voting serene
pointing out why he thinks agar might be scum
yet his vote still sits on serene? we never got a reason for the vote in the first place.
Do you see why I haven't moved my vote yet?
Is any of this making sense?
I have no problem with people being fuckos to seem like cheeky town. I understand the psychology behind it.
I don't think it's the case with jordan. He's fluffing to remind people that he's around, but not posting enough content to be noticed by the magnifying glass. I'm not okay with that.or something like that....-
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How did they manage to get to either LD or Zoraster is scum from Zoraster only posting twice?
wut.
I do agree that dry-fit's overall posting seems scummy as fuck.
His vote on me is just casting doubt, and then switches to the very low hanging fruit of Aronis (the dude hasn't posted anything that's unexpected from a newer player. get real.)
Has anyone put any effort into guessing how large the scum faction is? I don't think it says anywhere in the rules.
Also I'm comfortable with my vote where it is.
I have no idea what I'm supposed to think of BandB especially now that they've had the time to discuss optimal play vs whatever players they might be interacting with.or something like that....-
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Agar might be scum. I think he's going to be more careful about posting now that BandB put so much attention on him a1.
BandB are scum.
Dryfit is scum.
one of Zoraster/Ld is scum
one of Serene/Bro is scum
iamausername is either bad or scum
ika, zed, jesters and sven are all town
I don't really want to let this go but if BandB are scum then this vote is not good.
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BandB seem to have a lot of ideas about who's what (without any real validating facts) and at first I thought it meant that they were protecting scum jordan but now I'm not so sure.
I'll vote bandb after i go back and read the previous votecount.
there's some other stuff i need to double check.
ALSO, sidenote: I totally didn't see zdenek's asking me questions a1 so i never replied. He never brought it up again after that so i'm assuming he either forgot or he got the answers he was looking for regardless.or something like that....-
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I never said in any way that I'm sure that Agar is scum. He could be town for all I know.
Dryfit is easy enough to point out as scum. It's not sub-optimal to bus the shitty scum players on your team. point invalid.
Then why claim? Serene obviously think there's some sort of benefit to drawing attention to themselves.
I don't understand what's going on with that, therefore I'm going to stay away from it. lol.
Why would I risk jordan flipping town when you can be scum independently of jordan's flip?
If jordan flips scum or town I still have no idea what your role is. I would like to know what your role is.or something like that....-
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Am I not allowed to go back and read with more context?In post 540, BirdAndBeast wrote:Because they are bring trolls?? BBois literally mod confirmed town, he's us this game is so difficult.
OK since when do you scum read us and why were you voting Jordan in the first place? Was that j UT St based on us the whole time?
We're town. Why risk us flipping town when you don't know what our role is. Nice back pedaling on your reads.
@mollie: dunno what to say? Yes I agree about you agreeing about titus. Have a cookie.
The last time I said anything about my read on you was page 8. There's a lot of content since then for me to form opinions on.
I already gave my piece on why I was voting jordan. Vote was independent of my opinion of you.
That changed. I decided I'd rather see you flip than jordan.
this isn't rocket science. stop trying to invalidate my vote.
I already posted why i was voting jordan and the context. you can read my iso for that since i don't want to take the time to repost it.Zdenek wrote:
You should answer them.In post 532, MrZepher wrote:ALSO, sidenote: I totally didn't see zdenek's asking me questions a1 so i never replied. He never brought it up again after that so i'm assuming he either forgot or he got the answers he was looking for regardless.
as for flip criteria, it's just that flip info clarifies player interactions. In jordan's case it would give more insight into the serene vote (cheeky town or bullshit scum play) and whether BandB knew more than he let on (why they insist jordan is town for no reason).
currently BandB gives the most information about player interaction and removes mastin from play.
We have the chance early on to get rid of the big anomalies like BandB. I think it's worth. Moreso than Serene2 (which is where I would have gone if Jordan wasn't a better vote to me).
Mastin gets more convoluted and hard to read as the game goes on and needs to be removed early. I can't imagine that changing just because AP is there, especially if they ARE a scum slot. I've been burned in the past as town and keeping mastin around.or something like that....-
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What I said
I'm pointing out here that your alignment is more independent of jordan's than I originally thought. wtf.In post 532, MrZepher wrote:I don't really want to let this go but if BandB are scum then this vote is not good.
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BandB seem to have a lot of ideas about who's what (without any real validating facts) and at first I thought it meant that they were protecting scum jordan but now I'm not so sure.
If anything it fits into the context I'm explaining to you. I think you're scum. You post fucking trash all day a1 and then turn around and flip a switch now? You're doing exactly what Agar pointed out was optimal scum play a1, it's no wonder you wanted him gone. the fact that he's posting sub-optimally after getting easy town cred is why I think he's potentially scum as well. the whole bussing thing was probably unnecessary for me to point out.
and 3 minutes is hardly leaving time to check to see if a wagon would gain traction. please. i couldn't remember how many votes were on BandB after the night shift.
the rest of agar's post is garbage.
not being entirely sure isn't leaving wiggle room. it's saying that i don't have enough information in my frame of reference to come to a decision. Notice how I don't vote people I'm not sure about. (that's important)
I have no reason to vote Agar when there was previously Jordan and now BandB who are significantly better places to vote. Especially since I still think the Agar wagon was scum driven.
I see all this questioning of my vote when in my opinion I haven't done or said anything inconsistent. It just looks like you're trying to discredit my points by calling me scum.
If you're asking for clarity then ask for clarity.
knee jerk reactions don't sit well with me.
ugh i have like 5 minutes to get ready for class now. fuck.
i'll be back later tonight.or something like that....-
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venmar is likely town. i don't read any real negative intention from his posts.
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hiplop seems to be trying to poke and prod but this setup makes that more difficult than usual. He said a couple of things that kind of bothered me but they aren't necessarily indicative of scum. i plan on paying more attention to him but I have no plans for direct interaction while we're in opposite shifts; mostly because I can't think of an optimal way to do it.or something like that....-
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If you paid attention IJ pointed out to me that the whole situation is independent of post content.In post 626, Svenskt Stål wrote:In post 489, MrZepher wrote:How did they manage to get to either LD or Zoraster is scum from Zoraster only posting twice?
wut.
LOLIn post 532, MrZepher wrote: one of Zoraster/Ld is scum
albeit not directly but what he said made me go back and read through everything again.
also serene made me very uncomfortable with my BandB vote.
damn.
BandB say something town, quick!or something like that....-
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In post 666, Zdenek wrote:Mr. Zepher. I'm grateful that you reminded me that you have questions for me, but answer them please.
biggest scumread + revealing most player interaction. Clears up a lot of post intention for me and helps me figure out who's bussing and who's just taking advantage of dumb town.In post 244, Zdenek wrote:MrZeph, what criteria are you using to decide if you want to see someone flip?
#320In post 244, Zdenek wrote:
Could you add some words here?In post 183, MrZepher wrote:The fact that Jordan has done paramount to nothing yet the Agar train is still going tells me that Agar is probably town.
and yes i understand that the Agar train was based on him trying for easy town points but that shit got rolling so fast wtf.or something like that....-
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i don't know. lol.Zdenek wrote:You've found that useful on page 7 before?
it's not like i keep track.
in hindsight i could have worded it differently for the same meaning i was trying to achieve but it doesn't matter now.
in that instance it would have cleared up why he was refusing to explain his serene vote and why mastin was randomly calling him town.
(or at least narrowed the possibilities by a minimum of half)
wutAGar wrote:Zepher, you'd be best served picking one stance and sticking to it rather than jumping back and forth between whatever seems to get you to slide in the general flow of things at that given time. Like, you're scummy as shit right now. As scummy as Dry-Fit and LD.
I'm pretty sure that's just how I play because I have no frame of reference for what you're talking about.
try wording it differently.
also you think LD is scum whyor something like that....-
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before I forget to mention these things:
IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C
BandB said that calling yourself town repeatedly is not a scumtell.
That ceases to be true the second you know that it's provably not a scumtell, especially when you point it out.
It's just creating wifom, and the fact that they know they're doing it is a problem.
i have no idea if serene already pointed that out. I haven't been keeping up since i last posted.or something like that....-
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If you know that you can prove it's not a scumtell you've opened up a viable strategy for yourself.In post 744, Infinite Jesters wrote:
What?In post 741, MrZepher wrote:before I forget to mention these things:
IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C
BandB said that calling yourself town repeatedly is not a scumtell.
That ceases to be true the second you know that it's provably not a scumtell, especially when you point it out.
It's just creating wifom, and the fact that they know they're doing it is a problem.
i have no idea if serene already pointed that out. I haven't been keeping up since i last posted.
If that were me I'd realize that I can't hurt myself by doing it because I can turn around and shut down any verbalized opposition to it right away, and I would know how to do that before the game even started.
The fact that BB were the ones to point it out make it even more wifomy to me.
Am I making sense or just spouting jibberish? I want this to make sense lol
I... wat?Infinite Jesters wrote:
I did I just call you zekrom2In post 741, MrZepher wrote:before I forget to mention these things:
IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :Cor something like that....-
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scum {Dry-fit // Zoraster/Ld, Jordan // BandB, Agar}
null {Hiplop, Iamausername // Zdenek, Aronis, IJ/Serene, Svens, PeregrineV // Venmar, 14.5}
town {ika, Goat // Reck, Brian // Bro}
this is contradictory to things i've said previously. it's new.
(organized scummiest, nulliest and towniest in each category respectively separated by // but in no particular order; Aronis is not scummier than PV)
if it's Name/Name that means one of them will be moved as soon I decide on the other.
I need to figure out what is confirmation bias on my part, what is actually useable, and what is just assumption on my part.
I will not touch anyone on my town list.
this is an attempt to make it easier for people to understand what I'm thinking.
I had to read through the whole game again to get here. Bare with me.
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so it's apparent how useless I am right now
i'll break down the scum section next post. give me a bit.or something like that....-
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okay. why the fuck should I have to read a whole other game just to have context for this one?In post 799, Infinite Jesters wrote:
serene just linked the game we are all referencingIn post 795, MrZepher wrote:I really don't like the Serene vs IJ thing.
there's too much speculation involving meta that's largely inaccessible to me
so how is it inaccessible
especially when I generally dislike meta arguments...or something like that....-
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{Dry-fit // Zoraster/Ld, Jordan // BandB, Agar}
Spoiler: Dry-fit
Spoiler: Zoraster/LD
Spoiler: Jordan
Spoiler: Agar
Spoiler: BB
I got hella lazy halfway through BandB's because I do have other stuff I need to get done tonight and I need to start on that like now or it won't get finished.
I'll be back either way later or whenever the next day shift starts.
yeah sure whatever.Infinite Jesters wrote:mebbe cos you were seemingly asking for it by way of saying it was inaccessible to you?
god you are scum
hey kuribo where is your murder drive nowor something like that....-
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wouldn't it have been smarter to compare BnB to Bro since we know he's confirmed town?
or wait no, i get it now. I think.
I don't understand where you got rid of the possibility that Zoraster is scum and BB is town.
That's just a lot of information for my mind to break down, sorry.or something like that....-
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why?In post 1075, Infinite Jesters wrote:I don't think that ika is that town.
since this day is going to get dragged out we might as well start discussion that isn't setup specor something like that....-
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PV's vote wasn't surprising. I'm usually more bothered by the people who blatantly call me town for fairly obvious reasons.
BB's basically confirmed town until we have reason to think otherwise.
Serene is an enigma to me.
Do scum lynchers exist? Like, can serene be scum but still be a lyncher to bb or would that not make sense?or something like that....-
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I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.
The only way I can see Serene being scum (and trying so hard for BB) if there's a rolecop on the scumteam and they figure BnB is important enough to sacrifice Serene. I'm really not buying the lyncher claim.
In most cases I can think of BnB would have to be town, but Serene can be town or scum. Unless I'm blatantly missing something.
The only exception is if Serene's insane parity cop claim was actually true which could make BB scum.
but Serene's now claiming lyncher. Idk what to do about them.
existential crisis.Brian Skies wrote:
You think dry-fit is obvscum but the sudden wagon (regardless of the alignments of the aforementioned players) doesn't excite you?In post 1251, MrZepher wrote:what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch
and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.
but they're both going for obviscum dry-fit.
I'm waiting for mastin actually.or something like that....-
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In post 1262, MrZepher wrote:I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.or something like that....-
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i have a cloud.
hard to argue with that logic.
VOTE: BirdandBeast
I was waiting to see if Mastin committed to the dry-fit vote, or made up some excuse to change it. Instead BB shitposted when we needed them not to.
Blatantly ignoring the people around you for a point that's not really worth making when there's legitimate discussion to be had is not okay.
Also I had time to mull over what (i believe) Zed was trying to point out to me
which was that my point about BB being pretty conf-town was ill informed.or something like that....-
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you mean what am i responding to or the series of events I'm referring to?Infinite Jesters wrote:
what is this in reference to?In post 1325, MrZepher wrote:LOL mine and zed's interaction was more than just a no post. please.
i never said anything about venmar before Sven brought it up, so I was confused.
I just assumed that Sven meant to say Zdenek since that's who I mentioned in the original post.
the interaction i'm referring to is this one
Zdenek #1267
which actually starts a little further up (1261 I think).or something like that....-
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we could.... we could lynch him...
no?
alright.
This was awfulDry-fit wrote:Reck what happened to ignoring all the stuff happening in the other shift?
This wasn't.BROseidon wrote:Like, think about this for like 15 seconds.
BnB's town. I'm pretty confident in my read there.
We lynch them, which gives us 1 fewer mislynch to work with. It also removes Serene from the game, which does nothing for town.
A vig shooting BnB to conftown themselves at some point is the closest thing to an "optimal" play (and it's only optimal if you aren't sure BnB's town)
however, we don't know that there's a vig in this game and I'm not eager to find one if we don't need to.or something like that....-
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I can't take Venmar/Bro as scum vs town when i actually kind of agree with Venmar; Broseidon isn't the end-all of reads. He's just somebody we can use for PoE.
I actually disagree with a few of his reads.
Ad for PV/14.5 I disagree with BnB. I'm going to reread that interaction though.
I agree on hiplop.
I'm debating currently whether I think BnB is scum given Bro's argument, which makes a lot of sense.or something like that....-
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I explained my reasoning for voting 14.5 but apparently it didn't post. (would have been like a page or two ago).
I basically didn't like what I read as 14.5 blatantly misrepresenting PV's asking completely valid questions.
I read PV as town, and completely understood the questions he was asking Brian.
What I didn't understand was how 14.5 took those questions and made them into scum tactics or whatever.
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wtf was that a vig?
I am confuseor something like that....-
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