hhhmm...In post 1373, BirdAndBeast wrote:Mastin abandoned me. I guess she's over it.In post 1370, Venmar wrote:mastin, how does it feel to keep drawing scum?
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In post 1394, pirate mollie wrote:
in neither of those scenarios is serene town and a lyncher is most likely to target town but a usurper is most likely to target scum cos of their wc what makes you think that serene would help you find scum after being recruited via fulfilling their wc of their team if the latter were true and why would you want to help a lyncher fullfill their wc on probable town.In post 1387, Brian Skies wrote:In post 1385, Infinite Jesters wrote:brian we just had a usurper in ag even if you think it is a possibility it would be a possibility between a lyncher or usurper by following with what you are saying. so out of those 2 scenarios why are you not willing to lynch serene? and why would you make a deal with them?In post 1342, Brian Skies wrote:
I believe that if Serene is either a lyncher/usurper, that he's probably a lyncher. It has to do with the way they just tunnel on their target and say that if we get them lynched, we'll get both of them out of our hair. I don't actually know how usurpers work, but I'd assume they'd still have to play the game out as if they were scum.In post 1323, Infinite Jesters wrote:I don't like brian's ready offer to lynch bird people to help serene out when if serene is a lyncher that would confirm bird people as town. <--- why would you want to help a lyncher.
I'm also working under the assumption that a lyncher is a role that jointly wins with the winning faction. So as long as they're a lyncher (3rd party), I don't mind working with Serene as long as:
1) It doesn't impede my wincon.
2) They find me scum, which actually helps me with my wincon. This hydra also seems willing to work with me.
3) I don't have to read 10+ pages of biased BnB tunnel every time I open this thread.
4) They turn their focus towards a town-motivated one.
It's a win-win situation for me. And I think there's a way for everyone to be happy (well, except for the scumteam and BnB).
There are three capable town players in that hydra. Not one, not two, THREE! And I'd rather have them help us towards a town wincon as long as I believe there's a way everyone can profit.
Also, I will not be entertaining a lynch on BnB without a valid scumread on them as long as the threat of losing is still a major concern to me.
I mean. Seriously. Kuribo even drew me a pretty map. Look at how much work he put into that thing. It's so adorable!
@Kuribo: I still think Mollie is very likely to be town. If BnB is scum, she's probably just misreading them.
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I do when they work for town!In post 1410, Serene2 wrote:In post 1409, Infinite Jesters wrote:a scum lynchee without a usurper is far less likely than some1 fakeclaiming
or am I wrong
VOTE: serene
lollll mollie
i KNEW you were full of shit when you told me that you preferred working with third parties
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erm...I was not the 1 who said you were scum for not screaming loud enough :/In post 1427, Serene2 wrote:i mean let's be real for a second, mollie, your read on me early on was what? that i was too calm? fuck that
people bitching and complaining that i'm not yelling enough is one of the biggest reasons i retired, i got SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of people scum reading me if i'm not yelling endlessly
i was a god damn treestump in POTUS mafia. you know how much screaming i did? exactly zero.
you can't read me for shit, and i get tired of you pretending that you can. same goes for AP.
mebbe I can't meta you worth shit
mebbe I am just going by what you have done this game.
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In post 1452, pirate mollie wrote:LETS JUST LYNCH SERENE-
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oh good griefIn post 1550, Serene2 wrote:Serene has decided that in spite of the fact that he's helping us kill what we're killing, we're willing to assist the town in lynching Venmar.
We sincerely hope that you all remember this olive branch of goodwill.
Unvote
Vote: Venmar
we have other thoughts too, but it's late
why doesn't anybody else want this thing dead
I am all for working with indies it is actually kind of my thing but I don't think that serene are indies I think they are scum.
correct me if I am wrong, but didn't serene go "yes yes we're a lyncher" after some1 suggested it? and I remember sven asking them if the claim were true but I don't remember their answer.
my macbook is at faghaus so I am using the desktop and I don't have my notes on here so I am having to work off of memory which admittedly is not always the best.
also I am coming off of 2 games in a row where scum *cough tbone* tried to claim a fake guilty on me so I am starting to think superfluous cop claims are scummy. and last I spoke with nacho he thought fakegod was playing to his scum meta.
mine and nacho's schedules conflict so a sync up will not be easy but I should be catching up with desp this weekend.
ika's hostility is reminding me of isaac. I don't like the defensiveness when sven put pressure on him it kind of seems like ika is hanging back, waiting to see where the town herd will move.
14.5 pings, so does bryfit. reck had better start doing something or might get weird on him. I think venny is town. it is kind of interesting that the entire shift moved but him. I think it would be weird for scumvenny to do that tho, it attracts way too much attention so I agree with the players that think he is lynchbait.
liking zden a helluva lot better. he is moving away from his indignation at what he felt like mastina misapplying his meta towards a stronger presence in lieu of scumhunting which is what I would expect townzden to do.@ zden- I have played a bunch of games with mastina and it isn't impossible for him to portray his shift in how he metas you as town. combine that with the feeling that he had the same reactions to your posts earlier that I did and a lot of other things I am leaning town on them still, altho I want to talk to my other heads cos I have some niggles.
not sure how I feel about agar. or goat boy.
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wtf does this even meanIn post 1570, ika wrote:~Jordan’
AGar
BirdandBeast
Brian Skies
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infinite jesters
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal
Zdenek
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wasn't there a mention before that?In post 1573, Serene2 wrote:like seriously mollie, you're not even paying attention anymore?
the first mention of lynchers aside from 14.5 pussyfooting around the cop guilty:
In post 1153, Serene2 wrote:so here's the deal, fuckers-
you guys are going to help us lynch B&B. in exchange, DGB, FakeGod, and I will help you hunt down the scum team. HOWEVER before the game is over YOU MUST HELP US LYNCH B&B. B&B gets lynched, we leave the game and we're out of your hair for good. everyone wins except scum.
if that slot gets NK'd, we'll powerfuck the scum team just out of spite and damn meanness, so don't even think about that
if town decides to lynch us tomorrow, fine, whatever, we've already fucked our game anyway and we've come to accept this
hammer belongs to the innocent child, if anyone else hammers then it's as good as a scum claim.
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vote: ZorasterIn post 1165, BirdAndBeast wrote:Did you seriously just claim Lyncher for our slot?
PLEASE USE YOUR FUCKING EYES AND NOTE THAT IT CAME UP AFTER MY CLAIM
FOR FUCKS SAKE
i can never stay mad at you baby but why you make me do that
mebbe I am misremembering.
so are you a lyncher on bird people yes or no. I mean you say yes but it seems weird to say you are working with town, but want bird people dead, and bring up the usurper role.
and now you are voting for venny? unpack this for me plz-
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nacho didn't play that game?In post 1574, Serene2 wrote:In post 1569, Infinite Jesters wrote:also I am coming off of 2 games in a row where scum *cough tbone* tried to claim a fake guilty on me so I am starting to think superfluous cop claims are scummy. and last I spoke with nacho he thought fakegod was playing to his scum meta.
didn't nacho fake a guilty on town in binding of isaac?
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and this looks like you are going for a smear campaignIn post 1592, BirdAndBeast wrote:Mollie, I want you to imagine that we are both buzzed and Im looking at you with this ridiculous sideways smile and I ask you
"Mollie, are you scum with Serene? Be honest."
if you think I am scum with serene for...whatever reason you come up with hey I am trying hard not to go with that you are scum with them why don't you help lynch them cos clearly they are not town?
I don't think they are indie either so what do you think about THAT-
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I asked you to unpack why you think he is scumIn post 1591, Serene2 wrote:nah, you havent convinced me or DGB that he's town
and you've been treating me like a redheaded stepchild all game, so you don't get to call in favors
cos, lol "we will help town lynch venny!" doesn't work for me
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hhmmmm...In post 96, Serene2 wrote:nah mastin, you battling me would end with me faking a guilty on you and getting you lynched while you're VLA if i was scum-
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I want you to have fun kuribo.
which is why I am teasing you as much as I am. we can totally talk about something else.
also you didn't kill us in deathnote we were lynched.
and I have not lied during this game, I mistakenly thought that isaac was ongoing is that really what you are trying to spin into a "lie"?
also why are the jehovah's witnesses so freaking NICE in my neighborhood.
anyways I am burnt too so what you will get is pretty lackluster but it is genuine.
I already gave my reads list.
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This doesn't seem very relevant to me: I seriously don't hope you were trying to throw doubt on zorasters alignment.In post 1098, AGar wrote:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31652In post 1097, ika wrote:things about titus:
a) she does not do stupid gambits
b) she does no risk gambits that only have rewards
c) she fliped cop with guilty on zort
d) i know titus much better then you assholes here, theat includes you stal
e) if titus did have a santity issure in her role pm she would of stated it after she outed her gambit
f) titus would never fake guilty resultys for "reactions" or any other type of shit. If she gets guilty she gets guilty.
g) zort is fucking scum whos tried to save his ass with this "neghbor" claim, i dont buy the fact that he said "oh its a gambit we were doing"
h) if a neghbor even existed in the game i would expect it to be a cross neghbor at least
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In post 1630, bazinga wrote:
pretty sure scum are paying attention to us.In post 1620, Svenskt Stål wrote:In post 1607, Serene2 wrote:"I work with indies when they help the town"
No you fucking don't. I've been way more helpful to this town than you. I've been forthcoming nwithy claim, with my reads, with retracting FGs stupid ass guilty
You on the other hand, have been:
"B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
WAIT DONT LYNCH VENMAR SERENE IS SCUM"
That is seriously a representation of your reads this game
So here's a simple question mollie:
After I flip Lyncher, what are your reads?
I think you are the only one paying attention to mollie. Dont.
to answer the question:
bird people would move even higher up in the town tier. I would ignore your reck is town bid.
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Venmar is not as town as he used to be, definitely not. I feel even when pursuing reads he's not getting any traction on (ala Metal Sonic in Xenosaga) he seems a lot more aggressive and passionate than this weak wristed shit here. Some of his views though (I won't interact with you because of your conftown status) aren't horrible and kind of remind me of town Venmar? But his switch from calling you town to tunneling you is pretty bad, so I could probably vote him & sheep BROski.-
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And interactions with Venmar don't seem like buddy-buddy, so yeah, probs gonna sheep. I'm gonna make a serious of posts, can people who actually read direct BRO to this and my following string? TIA!
BRO: I don't have time today, but I'm assuming we want to push through a lynch soon because of your shift.8 thing. I am willing to lynch Venmar because he could possibly be scum, but I don't feel very strongly about it. I DO feel strongly about a hiplop lynch, which AP is also on board and pretty synced about. I think you should see the stark differences to Teen Wolf at least, but what I see is coming up now!-
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This opening on Mastin, generally horrible. This was early game, there was no reason to go "oh does anyone know how to read Mastin so I can make a well informed vote on him?".In post 412, hiplop wrote: @reck (or anyone else, I suppose) do you know how to read mastin? I remember him vaguely (he posts big scary walls as town) but not well enough to meta or anything, but dude is sticking out like a sore thumb in this game. Continuously posting seemingly trying to be like "LOOK HOW CRAZY OF A TOWNIE I AM".
This is pretty much one of those empty protown plans that don't have the benefit of AGar's frustration behind it or ika's sense of excitement. Notice how he never followed up on this anywhere, just kind of threw it out there and forgot about it.In post 414, hiplop wrote:well, actually I think i disagree with myself. There is 16 pages of information on the other people, 0 on us.
I propose we all say who is most likely to be scum in the last pool, and why. Then we as a shift can look at eachother more clearly. This will ideally give town the most information, I think? Very similar idea to why no lynches are usually bad
This stupid shit again.In post 416, hiplop wrote:anyone have previous experience with jordan? honestly he seems weird, almost like a troll? Unfortunately trolls can sometimes be town ~_~
Now, normally i would never call lining up lynches a scumtell because normally its just town wanting to solve the game and nuke their scum pool, but this is absolutely horrible. He doesn't determine any of their alignments at all, or make any attempt to. He just goes "meh, must be crossbussing" and then goes to lynch a lyncher's target immediately after he outs, which I can't really picture any townie doing ever.In post 1458, hiplop wrote:the possibility of a crossbus here is pretty likely i think. This doesn't really seem like townvtown or scumvtown.
dont we gain more if we kill bnb and then serene? If bnb flips and serene isn't gone, that essentially confscums them, doesnt it? While on the other hand if serene flips town or lyncher, it really doesnt indicate anything about BnB.
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Here he goes "oh, never mind", and then proceeds to sheep BRO after several hedge "oh I think he's town" calls, and then makes a half hearted case on him.In post 1482, hiplop wrote:Eh, thats a good point broseidon. I had tunnel vision on killing EITHER serene or BnB. They are just seriously annoying this game and I wanted to kill them, i guess
Yeah...that was pretty bad.dryfit wrote:Hiplop how in the world does it confscum Serene if B&B flips town? Why are people considering the possibility that Serene is actually a lyncher? Where is the rest of night shift?
UNVOTE:
Bro, I honestly dont see the connection between zoraster and venmar? They only interact once in a vote post near the end of the wagon. I mean, it could be a late-wagon bus, but I dont see what links them more than well anyone else who was lynching zoraster. Venmar does seem kind of scummy, but that might be my natural tendancy to link cynicism with scummy-bastards. He has been lurking while also putting forth virtually nothing
That soon? hmm, i guess we are losing our only conftown at b.7 so this actually isnt a bad plan.Also, scum just pulled a nasty trick. We're lynching in B2 and B6.
VOTE: venmar. Trust bro at this point, i've iso'd the guy a few times and his insistence on BnB is pretty strong, and any reactions to someone disliking him are pretty trash. I'm interested to see him try and defend him self here.
His three townreads are us, Sven, and zepher (?).
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In post 1655, BirdAndBeast wrote:It took me < 1 minute to read Hiplops entire ISO right now which is pretty voteworthy on its own. But ya. Nothing in it looks town. The comment + vote about us/serene looks terribad like you said. The "venmar is scum...no wait venny is town Im so silly for sheeping BRO" is also terribad.
I think Im voting DRYFIT and BRO is going to hate me for this but
VOTE: Hiplop
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Vote: Hiplop
BRO: READ THROUGH HIPLOP ISO, NOTE THAT HIPLOP+VENMAR PROBABLY ISN'T LIKELY.
IF YOU DO NOT AGREE + BELIEVE YOU'RE STILL CORRECT ON VENMAR, I WILL FINISH VENMAR LYNCH THROUGH IF YOU NEED IT
IF YOU ARE INCORRECT, WE GET LYNCH TOMORROW
IF YOU ARE CORRECT, YOU GET LYNCH TOMORROW
IF YOU FOLLOW ONTO HIPLOP, YOU GET LYNCH TOMORROW REGARDLESS OF FLIP-
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In post 1662, Infinite Jesters wrote:how does a lyncher work in white flag?@ mods - how does a lyncher work in white flag?-
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if it is a white flag, isn't it important to know who qualifies as scum?In post 1671, Brian Skies wrote:
I really don't give a shit.In post 1669, Infinite Jesters wrote:would you like to know if lynchers count as scum? cos I sure do!
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god I cannot tell if you and bird people are on the same team.In post 1672, Serene2 wrote:
Only if their target is town. When their target is scum, the lyncher is a POWER ROLE of relentless hounding of scum.In post 1669, Infinite Jesters wrote:would you like to know if lynchers count as scum? cos I sure do!
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wouldn't it change up your reads a bit?In post 1675, Brian Skies wrote:Well, you already asked the mods the question, so I don't understand why you're asking if I care or not.-
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we think venny might be town and our vote is on hiplop wat?In post 1680, Brian Skies wrote:For the record, I don't think Venmar and Hiplop can be buddies. But you're welcome to discuss that with me if you think otherwise.-
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so vote hiplop?In post 1685, Brian Skies wrote:
Okay? What's the issue?In post 1683, Infinite Jesters wrote:
we think venny might be town and our vote is on hiplop wat?In post 1680, Brian Skies wrote:For the record, I don't think Venmar and Hiplop can be buddies. But you're welcome to discuss that with me if you think otherwise.
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In post 1687, Brian Skies wrote:Not to mention that all he does is tunnel BnB so it's not like we can get much else off of him if he really is 3rd party.
he is voting venny.
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hi ap! you still have me as town yeah?
so can we talk?
ika is bugging the crap out of desp and I, nacho didn't like our vote. we 3 have yet to synch up but it shld be soon I HOPE. desp and I seem to be on the same page tho. can we, you guyz and bro triangulate a bit here and form some cohesion cos I feel like we losing the plot a bit.
people of interest:
serene <---- horrible, why is this thing not lynched yet. I don't think he is indie if he is then they are srsly hindering town like trying to push a lynch under "oh I am just trying to help the IC! we're protown I swear!" on the ic's placeholder vote.
reck <---- yeah no. not feeling it
ika <---- desp and I have independent tells for scumika he has dropped the 1 desp has on him and he just dropped 2 that I have. desp and I think he is scum.
aronis <---- I would go so far to say I am leaning 75% scum on him. I can elaborate if you want me too.
bryfit <---- don't like the zden vote for the reasons he gave especially when he doesn't seem to be trying to sort anybody else out.
venny <---- now venny i had as town until he said he thought mastina was bussing whoever he said he was bussing (I will have to check). I will expand on this (or try to) as soon as I look at that post again and the situ around it.
I am seeing more town zden especially with his posts in this round. can we discuss that 1 if you are still having doubts?
also we can pressure ika since he is on this shift and we can actually have interaction with him the others can wait for a minute.
also I am extraordinarily tired right now so if plz don't get cranky on me. this is a reach out btw-
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okay lets start here; you have been psuhing odd angles and while that is not out character with you, how quickly you are to drop themis. I think you are full of shit for saying you are going to provide reads but not any reasons why cos you are indicating that you have no intention of providing any analysis EVER <--- am I reading this wrong? cos if you do intend to provide analysis for your reads then you shld starting coughing up something productive right about now to solidify your progression of game assessment. <---- to keep it seekrit cos scum might read it is not paranoia it is stupidity if you are town.
so pick 1 READ and go into detail as to why you think the way that you do and be prepared to answer questions about the progression of it tia
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while I am not as solid as reading perv as some players he feels very town.In post 1786, Zdenek wrote:In post 1763, ika wrote:your not suppose to really
Oh dear lord.In post 1763, ika wrote:2) will do brosiaden: IC, hes town.
I'll indulge you. Peregrine hasn't done anything scummy that I can see, and he's been proactive, so I don't see how he can be worse than null. Why do you think that he's scum?In post 1763, ika wrote:how about this: iso a player and to present to me why you agree or disagree with the read i put.-
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add goat boy to the list of people of interest he is really getting his hands dirty or interacting with people all that much which is very different from the 1 game we played together.
hey goat boy, lets interact. I know we are on separate shifts but we can still xtalk and didn't you say you wanted to talk to me????-
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1) the answer to your question is implicit in the point you are addressing. but the deflection is noted, where you say "no 2 games of mine are ever alike!".In post 1795, ika wrote:1) explain to me how its diffrent from any other game you have played with me atm? i almost never have 2 game be entirly the same
so okay, on 1 hand you don't want to give out your seekrit agenda cos scum might see it and nk you for it and on the other hand you do things carefully and plan things out. okay.2) i think you are misunderstanding there, i dont have intentions of giving it out right away. I do thing careful and planned. Right now with the lack of activity and people being butthurt and just yelling at each other is becoming stupid right now. If everyone wants to just have a pissing fight at each other, then im all for letting this go on and let it uravel. I cant make much more progression unless if i have a flip. Most of my reads come from what i think and then chain together by if that person is town or scum.
there is not a lot of stupid butthurt right now; serene is claiming lyncher on bird people and bird people are saying no way. if you want to see stupid non related to game fights I can show you this isn't 1 of them. what you have is a bunch of loud people and a bunch of blending in; I am looking at the peeps who are trying to blend in but I want to sort out the peeps on our shift cos we can actually interact with them. you are unsure leaning scum hence the q&a.
you also have 2 flips so what are your thoughts right now?
stop right here.3) how about i do you and stal?
this is what i see so far
both of you are lovers. yes?
so my thoughts goes this
first, take the basic knowns
22 players
white flag
ic with experation
1 scum (min) in each shift
now add in what is assumed/what i think
lover claim (both agree)
maybe 6 scums
scum/scum lover too unliekly
scum/town lover probable
town/town lover probable
lyncher existance
lyncher target has higer chance of town then scum (assume random)
now running random thinking ideas on what would make it ballenced:
town/town+ic the leaves+ lyncher with town=not really ballenced
how does it become ballenced
town/scum lover, lyncher with scum, both?
so out of the 2 of you one of you is scum
this was already addressed. what is questionable is why are you still focused on it since with the white flag mechanic 1 scum can remain alive so lynching the lovers isn't going to happen. the only reason to sort us out if you are following your own line of conjecture from a town POV is if you are trying to figure out who to listen to and work with; I don't see you doing this. that worries me.
nacho can mebbe answer the balance question better than I can, I think most games are pretty swingey on this site and it come down to in thread play. what bothers me is the latter part you are not really addressing or acting with very much commitment but instead are basing reads on set-up spec, and their is no overflow of other useful insight into in thread behaviour.
what negative interactions are you viewing as negative are you talking about? and how are we not helping town? how is sven not helping town? sven has been bumped up to unsurenext i go look at interactions and how you guys have played and how stal has played.
and from that i draw my conclusion. you have interactied negativly with the other people i dont trust as well as not really done much help for town as i would expect you would. Stal has done that.
walk me through your linked reads plz. cos I want to understand where you are coming from.and from there my read start to link up. if we get another flip then i redefine my reads based on the info that is found.
Now after thats fuck full of shit im gone. if i am responding to anyhting else its going be either short or just idgaf mood
you keep shutting down when any1 questions you and I don't like it. sometimes I shut down as town too but it is when I am being gangbanged emotionally and you are not.
I am trying to sort you out cos I am not seeing a big town flare here.
lets talk perv, cos you gave an opinion on him.
perv is a player I have played lots with that I still don't understand and have trouble reading. I can tell you he isn't all that emotional so those tactics won't work on him. what I have learned about him is to sit back and see if his reasoning matches up with his flow. so far it does. his questions are pointed, have a direction and so far the progression of his thoughts makes sense if you follow the narrative in his posts from a town POV. he also is doing follow-ups. <---- he is trying to sort things out.
this is the stuff I would like to see from you.
I wouldn't pester you if I did not think that you could do this. it is that you aren't and are being super defensive about it is what concerns me.
where did ap go
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okay I think I get where you are coming from!In post 1807, ika wrote:
^that is what i ment. and before that he was just kinda comming off in a screaming frenzyIn post 1782, BirdAndBeast wrote:I'd respond more coherently but I'm so phone posting and so not in the mood to justify this 109% correct read.
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