Event Card Mafia (Game Over)

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Town people who are humans who are not voting because omg must utilize all the hours to cogitate.

This game has people like ActionDan in it. You cannot count on the lynch to just happen. Please remember to log back on before deadline.

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I submitted 2 results and 1 of them was not a null-result. So, that means I wasn't blocked.

I can claim now, or I can claim after other claims happen.

If only talah and I remain to claim, no reason not to claim now IMO. (We didn't claim to one another in our room.)

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I think I'm going to select Black Light and Vote For Event unless someone tells me that it is a bad thing to do.

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Oh, I missed that Split Universe also gets two lynches. I like that.

Are the two Universes Private topics?

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Looks like yes. Too bad.

So we can't share results across universes. But not the end of the world.

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I would like to ask for one softclaim before I claim.

mnenomicdevice, who did you target last night?

You may also decline to claim your target. Declining to claim your target will be inferred to mean that you had some kind of target.

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Vote for Event is bad because the really town positive cards are all Unique Events. (ie, if Vote for Event came up, what would you vote for? May as well just put that card in anyways.)

Vote for Event is cheaper than the Unique Events. Also, the voting for events is public, so we will get a really good Unique Event if we get it. So it basically lets us put in 2 Unique Cards.

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He posted several times in the nomination thread.

The main event of note there was that he said he was reading both of us (Iec & talah) as town, which, while not earth-shattering, seemed non-obvious from his actual in-game posts.

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@farside -- Entertainment may be on the way for a reason different than what you imagine.

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Why are you wanting to massclaim?

I have not claimed anything.

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Actually, scratch that. It probably doesn't matter. Instead, I will ask it this way:

ActionDan, please look carefully at your result PM one more time.

Let me know if you want to amend your claim.

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Nevermind, then.

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@Mags

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What about the Day Action event?

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I read your first line as like "omg iec is not reading the thread and does not know that MD did nothing as per ActionDan's claim" rather than "I am so excited to receive entertainment."

Okay.

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OK.

I can confirm at this point that one of my track targets was ActionDan. He indeed targeted Magna and Metal Sonic -- not Magna and mnenomicdevice. I can also confirm that he did in fact target them; or at least, I did not get No Result upon targeting ActionDan (i.e., I would presume that I would have received a null track on ActionDan had he been roleblocked).

Did you send in a PM requesting that you target mnenomicdevice, or one requesting that you target Metal Sonic?

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This means that ActionDan may be caughtscum if either Magna or Metal Sonic took an action last night that they can confirm actually occurred (or it would at least establish a 1/1, unless you can track roleblocked trackers, or people are town ninjas and don't know about it).

I thought about requesting softclaims of that nature before claiming, but I decided it would be too many softclaims and probably too transparent.

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Too bad. I was hoping that we would spend a page talking about phantom busdrivers in the presence of Geography. :[

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Gotcha.

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I guess we are waiting to see if Metal Sonic wants to create a 1/1, and also to learn about farside's situation.

I also have one other tracker target. The main reason I haven't claimed it is that it provides an incentive to at least claim accurate targets while there are unclaimed tracker results. But I can claim it whenever.

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One thing that occurred to me during the nomination period is that MuffinMan being the kill probably makes it somewhat more likely that PeregrineV is scum.

I'd like to go ahead and make a list of nominations (bold was picked):

One

Iecerint: mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

: No one (said he would nominate Iec if forced to choose)
talah: mnenomicdevice

Two

Agar

PeregrineV
farside22

Three

Cheery Dog

Brian Skies
Bulbazak

Four

Magua

ZZZX
Oversoul

Five

Papa Zito
Metal Sonic

TheIrishPope

Prof Fridays

Six

Aronis

ActionDan

Juls
Venmar

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Well, being "a" kill, with the other probably being either me or farside.

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@ talah -- ActionDan had 2 targets of his action (consistent with the double action and his claim, except that he amended his claim to Magua + Metal Sonic).

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I don't follow the special action thing. My guess is that you misunderstood what your action did based on a word you used in the nom thread, but I'm not sure.

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I submitted Black Light and Split Universe x2.

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Also I forgot about Juls' claim, but, uh, it looks like she's now an inventor and I am retarded?

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So what does the Virus do?

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Hi guys!

I guess no posts are missing and I wonder how the deadlines are situated.

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Yellow virus sounds kind of like a separate Blue Goo mechanic?

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Do you have any insight into the Blue Goo mechanic, MS? Check the dead player list to see what I mean.

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@farside -- AD didn't claim going to the PGO at first. He claimed he was going to mnenomic, then amended it to Metal Sonic when I prodded him. His explanation was that he somehow accidentally targeted the claimed PGO.

Refresher since your post implies you might think mnenomic is Metal's roleclaim at places.

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I think he is making a lot of choices this game that do not make sense to me (not just this, but also the nature of his attack on me D2 and his lurkiness). Part of me thinks that it is apathy, part of me thinks he is scum, part of me just wants to lynch apathetic AD, either way.

If we can identify someone who is more likely to be scum than AD, I would prefer to lynch that other person, so I am not lynch-drumming for AD atm.

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Oh, I forgot about the nomination mechanic today. That makes AD a pretty OK lynch, though I don't remember all the other options offhand (i.e., he beats the ones I can remember, which are just Magua without looking back tbh).

Uh, I know Dan couldn't come to MoS's meet due to "finals or something." So that may be an excuse AD might give.

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Oh, on the subject of BROseidon and Metal Sonic and the Yellow Goo, I found this in BRO's iso; it's from just after the Blue Goo flip N1:

Anyone that a person with go targets or who targets a person with goo acquires goo of that color.

Is that a thing? I have never heard of a "Goo" mechanic.

Sounds like an AIDS mechanic that I had as a 3rd party in another game. Might go towards someone's wincon, or may just be a flavor thing (Blue Goo vig?).

The description I got is actually exactly how that spread, except that we have multiple colors of Goo in this game (I have yellow)

I also have no idea of what it does.

Why is everyone so obsessed with the Goo. Means nothing.

If it doesn't contribute to PRs/wincons, it's purely in place to allow us to track night actions.

One discrepancy is that there is no mention of a "virus" mechanic; just a "goo" one.

Anyone who spreads the Blue Goo can probably claim if they have Virus in their description. It might help us to figure out if Virus is unique to the Yellow Goo.

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I guess it would depend on the person @ farside.

ActionDan is a lurky scum when he is pressured, so it would be a scumtell for him absent "finals." I responded with AD info because I think I can answer it for AD.

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Mnenomic was really scummy D1 IIRC. My mindset at the time was dominated by KA/talah being town, so I don't think flips have changed whatever it was that I found scummy about him at the time, though I don't really remember what it was in particular.

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Sure. I can do a qwints lynch

VOTE: QWINTS VOTE:

mnenomic is currently my favored altflashwagon fyi.

His preference for qwints also makes me feel relatively good about Venmar.

Good about lynching him, I mean.

Oh, nevermind. I guess it was tied to him preferring to lynch qwints for no clear reason over Venmar.

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Actually, come to think of it, CheeryDog was jailkept and I think there was only one kill? So yeah.

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Actually, come to think of it, CheeryDog was jailkept and I think there was only one kill? So yeah.

Guys, could it be that it is legit just this easy?

But wait, the killer probably had to submit both scumkills, so maybe not.

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Well, uh. I don't know the significance of the special result. I guess he is implicated?

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So, umm. What is a sticker?

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Why do you think you were the second mafia kill target last night?

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Like, why not one of Venmar's targets?

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I thought farside claimed to have jailkept cheerydog and someone else (I guess you?) and Venmar claimed to bulletproof-bodyguard me and farside. (I remember Cheerydog because I tracked him to nowhere, accounted for by the jailkeep).

I do not understand why you think you are more likely to have been the target than me or farside. Or I just don't remember target claims. I can't find farside's jailkeep claim with ctrl+f for example.

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Yesh

Farside, out who you targeted so we can decide what to do with ActionDan. I have more to say but will hold off until I hear from farside. Those in my room can vouch that I have some info.

I'm surprised you have info considering I jailed you last night.
I also targeted cherry dog.

In regards to players choice I thought that maybe we can discuss the cards we all want to see I mentioned black light in the qt with Pere and agar.

But that just confirms that farside jailkept you. It doesn't make you any more likely to be the target than me or farside, and me and farside probably make more sense since we had claimed.

Unless you just think Venmar is lying scum; if he's scum, it does make it likely that you were targeted, since you're a more likely kill than CheeryDog (and the same scum probably had to make both kills, so you two aren't scum-who-killed).

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Muffin was obvtown for bringing up the previous history of Nacho's fakeclaim. I've also considered that Muffin being killed makes it slightly more likely that PeregrineV is scum, since he mentioned PV like once or something, so no one would have picked up on it except for a scumteam that includes PV (i.e., it wasn't salient enough that people would remember it and lead to a PV frame). But it could also just be obvtownness alone.

I guess maybe you also pushed the Nacho wagon hard, but it just didn't make as strong of an impression on me.

To be honest I am slightly wary of you in the back of my head, which makes me think you are less likely to have been a kill target. But I never voiced that I don't think, so it's not like scum would have not targeted you due to that, and maybe it's just me that has that impression.

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Farside already claimed to have jailkept Juls and Cheerydog. I quoted her claim 2 posts up on this page.

Venmar already claimed to have bodyguarded farside and me IIRC (or else it was farside and talah).

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dem finals

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Oh, I forgot about the nomination mechanic today. That makes AD a pretty OK lynch, though I don't remember all the other options offhand

(i.e., he beats the ones I can remember, which are just Magua without looking back tbh).

Uh, I know Dan couldn't come to MoS's meet due to "finals or something." So that may be an excuse AD might give.

How is bold town speaking? He gives a reason, but then backs out of it by saying that he didn't remember any of the other canidates.

1. Are you asking this of anyone in particular?

2. How many candidates I could remember was relevant to my thought process in that post and preceeding ones, so I clarified it explicitly. I remembered Magua because I always thought it was kinda dumb that he was nominated because I thought he was pretty town after his replace-in.

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VOTE: Veto

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You should not vote him until the veto goes through.

I think it'll reset the votes, anyway.

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Dreams come true

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What are you results from N1-2 Mr. Cop?

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Your*

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I think Zito is talking about this:

Event Cards

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Vi’s Cry_Wolf.

Everyone in the game is given a random investigation result that has a certain percent chance of being true. For example, you might receive a PM that says “With X% certainty, you believe Zoraster is town.” X is between 51 and 65%.

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I'd like to draw it out until we get claims.

I really hate lynching cop claims, but what do you do when they are obvscum.

Similar to lynching Nacho.

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I think the function of follower is that you see the type of action your target performed.

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You can probably ask the Mod for how he would resolve a situation similar to the one where someone had two possible actions -- i.e., whether there is a hidden system of certain ability resolutions trumping others, or whether you would just get all relevant follow abilities.

He should be able to answer it as long as your question is not literally like "is mnem a cop."

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OK

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OK

OK, I asked him some stuff.

If a person takes multiple actions and you follow them, you will get all the actions that person takes. You will not just get one action.

Reflexive actions will generally also be seen, but it may depend on the reflexive action.

Passive actions will generally not be seen, but there may be an exception.

So this means mnemonic doesn't understand his role, or he is lying.

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The real issue is whether the result that I got was because something goo-ish happened to me and mnem's investigations failed. (Or I was subverted somehow.) Or goo overrides investigate results, etc.

Egh.

Or that.

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My Deanna Troi powers tell me that he is hiding something.

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Metal Sonic, do you still have the goo, or is your goo gone currently? Or do you know this for sure either way?

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I just scanned back through our nomination PT and Iec actually asked when mnem started reading both of us as town. Mnem said it was around the time of the tracker massclaims that he started thinking that all three claims were town. The only hint that he had a result on me was his first post where he simply said he didn't like to be the nominee because it was against his wincon to die and if he had to nominate someone it would be Iec. Aside from that, no reference to overnight changes, no reference to results, nothing to indicate that if he really did think we were both town he was willing to divulge anything.

That hadn't even occurred to me. He totally would have at least crumbed his results in there if he were town, especially since he said we were both town.

I'll hammer by the end of the day tomorrow if he's not dead by then.

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@Iec - did you ever claim your second target, or is it important to do so today?

I already did -- I targeted ActionDan/Clyton, who targeted Metal Sonic and Magua, and Cheerydog, who targeted no one (and was in turn jailkept by farside).

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Mokay I'll leave it to ya then.

Hey - I just noticed something. Please validate.

mnemonic said he copped me Night 1 and got a result. He was two rooms away. I travelled one room away.

Geography?

edit: okay sorry, missed the Cheery result.

I don't think Geography would matter because your alignment doesn't change depending upon whether you have taken an action or not. It would only affect a Cop role if there were a framer.

But that is just my understanding.

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Will wait for Juls' clarity thing.

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BRO claimed because the blue goo stuff came out. He had yellow goo, so it provided context. That point felt townie to me.

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Looks like it's all done ^^

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Well, the reasoning was that AGar was scum if he didn't die tonight.

The only new information we can add is that farside cleared Oversoul, so bummer about that.

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Here's a summary of the information I compiled in the dead thread. AGar can fill in the blanks because I think I was missing 1 day of results

Here's talah/shadoweh info:
Night 1 Track Venmar no result
Night 2 Follow Oversoul, saw mmenonic guy do a THING, Oversoul no result
Night 3 Follow Bulby, no result
Night 4 Follow Cheery no result
Night 5 follow Fridays no result
Night 6 follow Oversoul, im DEAD

Iec info
N1 talah, nr
N2 AD+cheerydog

AGar track claims:
N1 TIP
N2 Juls+Venmar
N3 derp
N4 Brian Skies, no result
N5 Aronis, no result
N6 Bulba, no result
N7 ???
N8 ???

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Here's talah/shadoweh info:
Night 1 Track Venmar no result
Night 2 Follow Oversoul, saw mmenonic guy do a THING, Oversoul no result
Night 3 Follow Bulby, no result
Night 4 Follow Cheery no result
Night 5 follow Fridays no result
Night 6 follow Oversoul, im DEAD

Iec info
N1 talah, nr
N2 AD+cheerydog

AGar track claims:
N1 TIP
N2 Juls+Venmar
N3 derp
N4 Brian Skies, no result
N5 TIP, no result
N6 Aronis, no result
N7 Bulbazak, no result
N8 Magua

Tracks resolve after kills, I think, so he doesn't have any results on Magua one way or the other.

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Aronis and Skies both have a negative track history.

Ninja shenanigans likely with confirmed Tracker Tracker Tracker/Follower but.

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Oh, I was thinking that Fridays was the odd man out. Nvm.

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Also, Juls the only problem there is I tracked Bulba Night 7 and got no result. I know we are kinda operating on non-tracks being relatively null but this one was unannounced. I just kinda picked someone at random so either full ninja (not entirely unlikely) or Bulba super-mindfucked me and knew when to go 1-shot ninja/whatever (seems unlikely).

This is a good point. Presuming limited ninja, announced tracks are going to be weaker than unannounced tracks.

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You don't think it's Fridays?

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You have to actually scumhunt and become a perceived threat if you want to get nightkilled.

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Metal Sonic is less likely to be the scum than literally anyone in this game.

For example, if both the yellow and blue goo originated with scum (i.e., scum knew they were scum-associated), it would be strange for BROseidon to randomly volunteer being the yellow goo person, and for Metal Sonic to crumb a PGO role upon replace-in.

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He is trying to evaluate the thought process that made you vote Metal Sonic.

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Ok, so let's work with this. Goo, etc, aside, why do you think Metal Sonic is scum?

So earlier MS claimed that he was a pgo, which was imo, rather scummy. I just don't see the reason for all of that. So my theory was that he was doing that to avoid being targeted and people finding out about him having goo. Then lately he's seemed sorta careless and just coasting on the townread[?], plus recently everyone that has been killed has yellow goo, so maybe he was giving it to them or something. But apparently not.

And you're prob going to lynch me for this, but why is Bulba cleared? Like wasn't he getting lynched for being conf scum earlier?

This looks consistent with town and being content with the PRs carrying him I think.

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Well, I haven't done any of the work Magua has done so.

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I'm pretty sure it's a paraphrase -- for example, the role PM clearly doesn't say "gold sludge."

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Though it sorta makes us wonder why he claimed PGO.

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Ztio can you paraphase you role in regards to blue goo for us as well?

Zito wasn't the goo-starter, I don't think.

If he were the goo starter, no new blue goo would be appearing at night, and all players with Blue Goo would be dead, since the only way he would have of spreading it would be killing.

So it's more likely that the blue goo person on the scumteam gave it to him -- maybe it's a JOAT with a 1-shot protect along with their ninja or something idk.

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You're saying farside died first, got the goo, and then her zombie jailkept with her dying breaths during the night she died?

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Oh, you're right. That makes sense.

But, that would mean that farside either put blue goo on the remaining scum, OR farside single-handedly put goo on all of these players:

Night 4: Farside the Town Jailkeeper with Blue Goo was killed
Day 5: PeregrineV the Vanilla Townie was lynched
Night 5: Juls the Town Blockable Vigilante with Yellow Goo was killed
Day 6: ZZZX the Vanilla Townie was lynched
Night 6: **Shadoweh the Town Adjusting Investigator with Yellow Goo and Blue Goo was killed
Day 7: **Oversoul the Vanilla Townie with Blue Goo was lynched
Night 7: **Venmar the Town Doctor with Yellow Goo and Blue Goo was killed
Day 8: TheIrishPope the Vanilla Townie with Yellow Goo was lynched
Night 8: **Agar the Town Tracker with Yellow Goo and Blue Goo was killed

I know she put blue goo on Oversoul. Did she put blue goo on talah/venmar/agar?

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Zito had "special action." It might have just meant the factional kill for all I know, and that's what i assumed when he just flipped Goon. But I guess we now know that Metal Sonic's PM just calls him VT.

I guess if Venmar/AGar/talah all targeted targets of farside, that could be sufficient to explain it.

I had assumed that the remaining scum had blue goo on him, since everyone who died after there being one scum had blue goo. But it could just be that town spread it I suppose.

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how did PZ actually get lynched if there was a perfectly reasonable explanation for him having goo? lol

It wasn't based on Goo -- IIRC, talah=shadoweh followed him and got "special action" as the result, which contradicted his claim.

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Ah OK.

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I've actually done similar levels of paraphrase and had it be OK, MS, but different mods have different norms. Maybe make a rule to always check your paraphrase with the mod before posting it. It has the added benefit of extra deliberation time for when you're scum, anyway.

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There were lots of pro-scum events that I think were expected on average to tilt things more your way. Town got pretty lucky.