Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[Marquis]

is that really all you have to say, notty

- Saki

i find it amusing in a sense that you want us to talk more about you but when majiffy throws fire your way you're all like "nooo that was metal sonic go away leave me alone"

[Marquis]

ns u texted me you'd post saturday morning pls bby cmon

[Marquis]

(i do what i want was a reference to your attitude as town as well)

[Marquis]

(zzzx is also towny because you are very scummy)

[Marquis]

(this is looking more and more like your ny 166 mafia play)

[Marquis]

no

[Marquis]

I'm pretty sure I know the reason but I'm on my phone right now so

[Marquis]

Ok then look for in-thread reasons to lynch doduo. Not like there isnt plenty.

nope.

[Marquis]

too many questoins

[Marquis]

might be going solo

[Marquis]

for some reason i just really dislike posts that ask a bunch of analysis-related questions because it feels as if nothing ever comes of those

@mod sub doduo -> marquis. maybe at least until ns gets back idk

[Marquis]

bittersweet because i don't have to bother logging in as doduo but then again ns is goneeeeee

[Marquis]

Read through page 25. Just going to say that there are a few players that are not towning it up like I'd expect, and that's bothering me. I'll have more when I finish the catch up.

maybe if you said their names

(hint: i was expecting a reference to doduo/ns reading the first part and i was going to counter with something indignantly sarcastic)

[Marquis]

anti there's no votecount in the last few pages. where is the votecount.

[Marquis]

metal sonic you are scum and we both know this

unfortunately the only other people who know this are your scummates

[Marquis]

hi perpet

ns was never here to begin with

now say something of importance before i spontaneously scumread you

[Marquis]

hi perpetual nonsense i'm searching posts to respond to metal sonic

[Marquis]

metal sonic you are scum and we both know this

unfortunately the only other people who know this are your scummates

marquis,

i play with you a lot and i know you very well, which is the precise reason why I am scumreading you -- this isn't your town game.

all the PO players in this game can see this. me, beast, zzzx; all have played with you multiple times, with meta, and yes all agree that you are on the scum list.

but then you're in a deadlock. you

have

to OMGUS/counter-scumread me, because if you town read me, then you're validating my scumread on you -- not what you want. its like cop claiming guilty on you, then you counter claim cop and have a town on me -- not gonna fly.

thats why i'm so confident that you're going to flip scum. i have a pretty good idea that you're scum, and my reads are quite reliable, lots of meta, and the only thing you can possibly do is to counter me.

sorry bro just doing my job.

let me say this right off the bat: you're still scum, and i'm still town. but for the sake of the response... well, i was going to say i'll treat you as logically-thinking town, but we'll have to see where this goes.

you're saying that your scumread on me is forcing me to scumread you in return. so i come in ready to non-rvs-play on page 27, and in 698 + 715 + 717 + 719 my scumread on your hydra grows (i voted you in 719). however your 816 is the first instance i see of you scumreading me.

don't claim you scumread me first, and more than that don't claim that i'm only scumreading you because of that. i'm not feeling that this is your town game, and i'll comment more on this in particular at the end.

beast is the same way. he doesn't refer to me at all until i began to scumread him and talked about that scumread in 797 + 799 + my readslist in 802. the first mention of "doduo" or "marquis" in any of his posts is 801, and from then on it's an OMGUS read. (lol read 805)

(note: re-reading beast's 801, the second line in particular is giving me stronger scumvibes now. it completely matches what i would see as beast talking from a current-scum perspective. i'd rather focus on that as a wagon than lying cat, but there doesn't appear to be any support.)

i don't even recall any time that zzzx said i was scum. he not only says i'm town in 349 + 882, but goes as far as to call me "confirmed town" as far as he's concerned in 850. (there's a subtle implication of a townread too in 951 but let's throw that to the side for now.) so no, he actually doesn't agree with you that i'm scum, so stop trying to use him as an extra playername you can throw at me. pedit: 1466 has me as town too still but a bit weaker i guess. that's my fault (though i do think i have been posting game-relevant things lately! it's not all fluff so stop trying to dismiss it as that).

as for my read on zzzx, from the exchange between him and gg zzzx came out townier than he was earlier for me. i don't like the idea of lynching him today since i do think he's easy lynchbait, but lately i've not really been feeling anything strong either way about him, which does set off a few warning bells. zzzx usually has a strong presence at all times as town.

back @ metal sonic and referring to metal sonic + saki: as far as i can remember, in every game we've both played with each other as town we both had townvibes on the other and consequently, townreads as well. dark age of the law, the first knight errant, bravest warriors (off site), and vanilla/mountainous (off site) - all of these are large games in which we were both town and i remember at least on my part that i both identified you as town and had to deal with you being lynchbait of some sort.

but this is different - this is the first game where i'm town and am not getting townvibes from you, and considering our history can you see why it's freaking me out??? i'm pretty sure you're scum, but despite the posts that have rubbed me the wrong way, you've been making a few town-sounding points. so while i might be off in this one instance, i really don't think so. a lot of the reads you're making and lot of the stances you're agreeing with, not to mention your "early" readslist in 673, run so contrary to mine that i don't think we're the same alignment for once.

at this point it would probably strengthen my case to make a wall and call out the individual posts of yours that i find scummy, but i honestly can't be assed to at the moment. just know that your "read" on me is shit and your case of me scumreading you only because you're scumreading me? is shit too.

[Marquis]

for a better look at my state of mind right now

scum i want to lynch: speedy saki, beast
slots i wouldn't mind lynching if the above don't get attention: lying cat, wicked
town i'm not lynching today unless at risk of no lynch: zzzx, gg, majiffy
town i'm not lynching today whatsoever: marquis, vezok, perpetual
players stuck in my head but i don't have a read on: titus
everyone else

[Marquis]

strike that, i don't care about gg.

somebody talk.

[Marquis]

beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

did it work!?????

[Marquis]

...that wasn't for me, was it Marquis?

[Marquis]

just quote it into the vc as a spoiler and delete it please for our sakes

[Marquis]

my earlier beetlejuice comment referred to beastcharizard who only seems to post lately when he is mentioned and is actively lurking

is there any reason why we shouldn't lynch beast?? ("because he's town" is not a valid answer)

[Marquis]

801 and 805 are perfectly good cases against beast

[Marquis]

and contrast those with 1323, where he forgets that he's not supposed to know i'm town

[Marquis]

Active Compounds:

Marquis

Doduo (notscience + Marquis)

[Marquis]

for some reason i just really dislike posts that ask a bunch of analysis-related questions because it feels as if nothing ever comes of those

@mod sub doduo -> marquis. maybe at least until ns gets back idk

Marquis told me she thinks computers run on magical fairy dust.

Also, noted.

in case the fine print is too hard to read

[Marquis]

i would hop off of the lying cat wagon now to pursue beast if i didn't think certain players would go "no already-established One True Wagon to follow today? time to break out more walls and push for unviable lynches"

[Marquis]

beast, where are you? i need you to bus wicked because he sneakily included himself in his own townreads, the little weasel!

[Marquis]

there's no way beast is town

there's no way ms/saki is town

yet why is there a wagon on zzzx i don't get it

[Marquis]

you two are scum. i will keep reminding myself of this

pedit post is made @ beast + ms/saki

[Marquis]

no stop

vote your last scumread

please

[Marquis]

beast is scum majiffy is town probably

but i am not going to be that asshole who dismantles a perfectly necessary wagon when we can't wagon anything scum for shit

[Marquis]

Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (ZZZX)

Lying Cat - 6 (mastin2, MTD, Titus, Marquis, vezokpiraka, Perpetual Nonsense)

Majiffy - 1 (Bulbazak)

Marquis - 3 (PeregrineV, Speedy Saki, beastcharizard)

Titus - 3 (Majiffy, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr)

Wickedestjr - 1 (Lying Cat)

ZZZX - 1 (Guilty Gunsmith)

why is this votecount so bad

who else thinks this votecount is bad

i think this votecount is bad

[Marquis]

it is filled with my townreads, new and old. filled with them

UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

[Marquis]

Speedy Saki - Snork thinks they are town, I dont. Mch like ZZZX, they are a tragic lynch that I will not be getting Today despite being ok with it.

Saki, I feel #1427 and #1428 about our relationship. I scumread you. You townread me.

Speedy Saki - Something feels off. READ: Neutral, slight scum lean

Null/Scum

Speedy Saki: I really want to believe they're town, but Marquis is right that there is something off. The big thing that sticks out is Saki being overapologetic. If they're town, they should be able to obv. town it up enough for me to change my mind.

this is a slot that so many people are scumreading or nullscumreading.

literally every view on the metal sonic/saki slot is either a scumread or ignoring its presence today entirely

why are we not lynching it???????? is it because

it's actually scum???????????????????

[Marquis]

why is this votecount so bad

who else thinks this votecount is bad

i think this votecount is bad

the votes that is

not you anti

you're golden

[Marquis]

Has it occurred to you that nobody gives a fuck?

I hate this because you've never tried to shut me down like this before.

You're scum. Get over the fact that I can read both of your heads accurately and kindly contribute your vote to your own lynch.

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wickedestjr

[Marquis]

titus i need you to claim in your next post.

don't fail me now

[Marquis]

@ pn i don't like the lying cat wagon because their last post or whatever complaining "fuck off" post screamed town to me. add to that the fact that my main townreads i forget who expressed discomfort at the wagon and i don't want it.

i'm just going to keep saying it but normally metal sonic attracts a lot of attention particularly as lynchbait as town and this game i'm reading him as scum. and it just feels like the slot is just being completely ignored, and everyone else who's scumreading it which is a good number of people are refusing to follow up on anything regarding it. pn can you express some sort of a read on that slot please

[Marquis]

who the fuck is aunt ethyl titus i've been trying to figure out what you're talking about or hinting at the whole game because it sure doesn't look like you mean you

[Marquis]

I don't like titus scum read on majiffy but I like titus scum read on metal saki but does that mean one is off? I still am pretty Damon sure metal Sami is scum

[Marquis]

Auto correct mess up

[Marquis]

Too many pages taking too long please lynch metal or wicked now. If more people voted for metal I would be so very happy

[Marquis]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

[Marquis]

It still counts

[Marquis]

vezok you're town

trust me because you know i'm town

and trust me when i say that titus is town and you are wrong



and because i will probably have to repeat this townread again:

no this is not a read based town-"read".

[Marquis]

i was starting to think mastin was scum but then she claimed aunt ethyl and now i don't know what to think.

titus, just tell me: are you informed role of some sort? as in the modifier "informed"?

i'm torn between the wicked and saki wagons now because of wicked's 1389. it doesn't

feel

genuine, or rather, i don't think the line of questioning is valid and it

feels

like a really big stretch to make.

[Marquis]

are you an informed*

because that's the only scenario i can think of in which you would be fixated on an ethyl role like this.

[Marquis]

If we -must- lynch town today then I guess I can support a policy lynch on Marquis and when Marquis flips town we all actually lynch mastin tomorrow.

thanks man but if we policy lynch we might as well policy lynch speedy saki since apparently that's a townread that you wouldn't lynch otherwise.

[Marquis]

i meant it as a policy lynch from ap's perspective, titus. if he's so willing to even -say- that there's a chance of a policy-town lynch, since he's townreading both me and metal/saki, his policy lynch should be on the latter rather than the former.

-marquis

[Marquis]

why did i sign that this is my main

[Marquis]

titus oh my god

is ethyl scum?

is ethyl town?

do you not know at all??????

please stop to answer this honestly because i really don't get it anymore

[Marquis]

nah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mastin

i concede. hop back on

[Marquis]

if this is anything like the zzzx scumread i will be disappointed but i'm honestly past the point where i try to talk about town apathy and ready to just become part of the town apathy itself.

[Marquis]

i don't care i don't care i don't care i don't care i don't care i don't care i don't care.

mastin2 - 6 (Lying Cat, MTD, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr)
Speedy Saki - 3 (Titus, Bulbazak, Perpetual Nonsense)

the only existing wagons that i care about. lynch something. bye

-marquis

[Marquis]

i'm choking over my speedy saki scumread because i can't tell anymore.

please don't lynch titus, vezok. please.

-marquis

[Marquis]

i'm not interested in dealing with any more mastin paranoia, from both me and any other player on this list.

mastin is at l-2. hammer her before we destroy yet another viable non-obvtown lynch.

-still going to sign this marquis idc

[Marquis]

VOTE: beastcharizard

[Marquis]

@mod: v/la for 1-3 days? because really sick

[Marquis]

I jailkept them last night and someone still died.
Do you think they wouldn't have been the ones submitting the kill?

no no no no no no no you had a jailkeep but did not use it on your mason partner no no

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wicked

kill it with fireeee

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: speedy saki

kill it with wagonfireeee

[Marquis]

let's lynch beast

[Marquis]

There are four inventors and one back-up inventor in this game.

They may or may not be all of the same alignment

and there may or may not be other power roles in the setup.

[Marquis]

i notice you hinted that you know that already but i am reminding people of things

also i might be v/la? not sure but i am getting blue screens of death like every 30 minutes

[Marquis]

I am really sick again so do not expect loads of activity this weekend. Also computer problems

I wanted to bring back one of my day 1 comments specifically the one about beast beetlejuicing

[Marquis]

can we make beast wagon a thing

[Marquis]

i liked saki wagon but second thoughts

[Marquis]

well i just took some motrin for my fever so

[Marquis]

i don't know where my scumread stands on saki anymore which sounds paradoxical but...... i can't stand being yelled at by majiffy for mildly questioning that scumread and yelled at by others for even entertaining that scumread

if metal sonic is town, he's so fucking far off for once this game that it's making me scumread him.

and regardless of alignment he's fucking being the enabler, the catalyst that is allowing conftown to push a lynch on conftown

vezok on titus looks like a territorial "I AM THE ALPHA TOWN" pissing match because as far as i'm concerned those are my biggest townreads

[Marquis]

i believe mollie is genuinely confused but i don't know what else is going on

i still actually think metalsaki is scum now that i think about it. this comes after mollie saying that "metal sonic does this every game", but as i've been saying it's different this game in a very odd sense.

pedit mollie god can u not

[Marquis]

does nacho smoke?

[Marquis]

i'm sinking slow! ly! so hurry hold! me!

you hand is all! i have! to keep me hanging on!

please can you tell me

so i can finally! see!

where you

go

when you're

gone

[Marquis]

It feels like mtd is trying his best to ignore the wagon on him and I don't like when people ignore wagons on them. It's too aloof for my tastes

[Marquis]

Address the players on it maybe

Why is it a bad idea maybe

I can make it bigger maybe

[Marquis]

i got a timely warning notice

[Marquis]

i like mtd now though

why is metalsakiwagon dead : (

[Marquis]

whenever i try to get a beastcharizard (actual scum) wagon

[Marquis]

also whenever someone tries to convince vezok that titus isn't scum

[Marquis]

Antihero best mod^

Do you use an automated machine for that


VOTE: marquis

This is my invitation to beast to lynch marquis.

Don't leave me hanging a 1 man wagon.

You mean, an invitation to get beast to stop bussing you, further weakening your wagon to the point where you won't be a viable lynch within the next day or so until deadline?

[Marquis]

hi.

i'm a bit aggravated right now.

[Marquis]

Mastin had a scumread on MTD and now he is dead.

this line of reasoning doesn't really apply so much when lynches usually have to be directed and pushed by a good number of town.

basically nightkill analysis =/= lynch analysis (not that both don't have their merits- they're just not the same and you're treating them like they are)

[Marquis]

hi.

i'm a bit aggravated right now.

i'm sorry. just because of the beast thing?

a little bit of that.

a whole lot of this.

t-t-t-ta-ta-take your pick.

[Marquis]

not even the tiniest scumread on this slot

why must all the good wagons die

[Marquis]

anti you can go to sleep

i believe in you

c'mon we'll do it together

ok?

3...

2...

.....................................................

[Marquis]

you guys are ridiculous

[Marquis]

let me just say the under 100 posts theory is bullshit because in total with doduo I have ~160 posts

in your "lynchpool" you left someone who was apparently one of your biggest townreads before, beast

there is no case on me other maybe than "oh vezok is confirmed town and gg has lots of townreads and are both voting marquis, maybe this time we'll get it right!!!!"

you're scum and you need to die before you can push any more mislynch counterwagons off

VOTE: speedy saki

the final mtd push over speedy saki push was so stupid too

> mtd responds to my questions
> lots of people call mtd towny for that
> mtd still gets lynched because the saki wagon is a fucking scum wagon and of course we don't want to be lynching scum in this game!!
> titus was town hardpushing saki wagon and died
> "hey guys I'll sheep yesterday's scum onto an obvtown marquis wagon because... well I don't fucking know!! hooray!!!!!!"

[Marquis]

you only pushed me after I pushed you

I don't see any foundation for a supposed scumread on me other than that

pedit hint: beast is scum and you've been chainsawing him all game.

[Marquis]

probably because I'm obvtown

btw here in mafia land we call what you did to mastin whiteknighting

[Marquis]

Frankly if the Saki lynch doesn't go through today, I am going to active lurk and keep my vote on Saki until the slot is dead.

So lynch Saki or expect two useless slots instead of just one really scummy useless one.

must be an altslip, this is what I'm doing

[Marquis]

this is ms's scum bravado

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beast

even more long overdue

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: speedy saki

i can cooperate with majiffy though.

[Marquis]

I love how the marquis wagon is all town

how you somehow got gg and vezok to sheep you really doesn't mean shit at this point. at least one of them has already proved their accuracy this game to be... subpar.

[Marquis]

i just have.......

feelings

specifically feelings about beast's choice to bus speedy saki at this point

it's so lovely

[Marquis]

end of page votecounts must be the new black

[Marquis]

nah he's right

go for it

[Marquis]

VOTE: beast

[Marquis]

Bulba is town. I was thinking the exact same thing he just quoted and posted about LC being textbook scum.

VOTE: ACfan

You don't vote LC but think they are textbook scum and instead vote me who a couple people think is scum but hasn't had a wagon on. Can you explain why you are doing that? It really feels like you don't want to be on the LC wagon but when they flip scum you will be able to quote that post and be like: "I told you there were acting like textbook scum."

Also, one of my games just finished that was taking my attention so now y'all get more of me.

now that quickness mafia's over i can finally say that

there are key similarities in your behavior between this game and that game in which we were a scum hydra

and it is a big part of why i am scumreading you

[Marquis]

mainly beetlejuicing.

for the majority of day 1, you only deigned to post whenever your name was mentioned or when you

had

to answer a question.

this is the same as you in our scumhydra in mafia with the quickness- i was posting most often during day 1, and you only posted whenever a player addressed us or our claim, and you

had

to reply quickly.

(also, i think if that's the reason you're scumreading

me

, since you got to this thread first i'd imagine you would have mentioned it earlier. you giving that as a reason for scumreading me just looks like you thought of it on the spot after reading my post.)

[Marquis]

really not interested in having to explain why that's incredibly scummy

can people just like...... idk, vote beast?

generally town people are generally scumreading beast. nobody wants a wagon on him, though, because there are shiny little distractions everywhere and staring at those shiny little things is much more important than actually lynching scum.

[Marquis]

As I said for the 4th time in this game i am ready for a beast lynch if it gains steam.

and this is everyone's view on the matter, it seems.

you can't just wait for a scum lynch to gain steam on its own.

the reason mislynches gain so much more steam is because scum are willing to easily push them forward.

whereas with a beast wagon for every single part of every single day, when town says they're willing to lynch beast, scum only has to push on a shiny mislynch wagon instead to get people to say "oh, beast is an unviable wagon!" "why don't you vote a bigger wagon?"

[Marquis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

this is what's happening with the beast lynch.

[Marquis]

and it's a much less emotionally driven explanation than my frustration that nobody is sticking their vote to a slot that should be long dead by now.

[Marquis]

Idk why but latest beast posts are screaming town slips. not sure if real or just kidding?

As I said for the 4th time in this game i am ready for a beast lynch if it gains steam. but I think LC is also a worthy contender

Way to be opportunistic. If you want my lynch to gain steam then vote me too.

i agree; vote beast

[Marquis]

VOTE: Marquis

Lol. Really, the bystandard effect? There are two people who are voting me at least. This isn't everyone thinking everyone else is going to make a case against me. You are stretching Marquis.

Maybe your mislynch wagon on me isn't picking up because it is horrible.

the bystander effect doesn't apply to making a case on you

this is it:

multiple people have already said that they want to lynch you if your lynch gained steam, yet the bystander effect applies in how they're waiting for other people to wagon you first.

what's so stupid about this whole situation is that your wagon simply isn't building up because the people waiting for your wagon to build up are just watching and not voting.

also, if you weren't scum there would have been at least one large wagon on you, guaranteed. your play is just that naturally scummy, and there are more than enough players here who don't know you well enough to defend you based on meta.

scum are constantly looking for mislynches.

i don't seriously believe scum thought

mastin

would be an easier mislynch than you, and to a lesser extent the perpetual

lying cat

wagon.

[Marquis]

Or up to this point I have done jack shit meaning I could be an easy mislynch at any point during the game while I was not doing anything.

you're pretty much proving my point for me.

i'm saying, "why hasn't been beast been lynched yet

even when he himself admits he's done 'jack shit' and could be an easy lynch?

"

the clear answer is because you're scum and therefore, not under consideration for a lynch by scum.

again, i

highly

doubt that scum would pass up the opportunity to help build a lynch on you if you were town.

With all these people saying: "Sure we can lynch Beast if he gets a good wagon going." All it would take is for them to get a good wagon going on me for me to be lynched. There was no reason to lynch me because I was their back-up lynch.There was no reason to lynch me because I was their back-up lynch.

you're right that scum doesn't see a good reason to lynch you.

again, simple conclusion.

town hasn't put enough pressure on you for your scumpartners to contemplate bussing you yet.

[Marquis]

I saw what you are saying mollie.

Time to kill scum marquis.

unvote
vote marquis

Apparently you don't see because that's not even what mollie was saying at all.

Like I'm really fucking pissed that scum wasn't dumb enough to kill you yet with all the mislynches you've been pushing.

I'll respond to more pressing things when I get home.

[Marquis]

i am town and i am upset

[Marquis]

metal sonic you are scum and we both know this

unfortunately the only other people who know this are your scummates

marquis,

i play with you a lot and i know you very well, which is the precise reason why I am scumreading you -- this isn't your town game.

all the PO players in this game can see this. me, beast, zzzx; all have played with you multiple times, with meta, and yes all agree that you are on the scum list.

but then you're in a deadlock. you

have

to OMGUS/counter-scumread me, because if you town read me, then you're validating my scumread on you -- not what you want. its like cop claiming guilty on you, then you counter claim cop and have a town on me -- not gonna fly.

thats why i'm so confident that you're going to flip scum. i have a pretty good idea that you're scum, and my reads are quite reliable, lots of meta, and the only thing you can possibly do is to counter me.

sorry bro just doing my job.

let me say this right off the bat: you're still scum, and i'm still town. but for the sake of the response... well, i was going to say i'll treat you as logically-thinking town, but we'll have to see where this goes.

you're saying that your scumread on me is forcing me to scumread you in return. so i come in ready to non-rvs-play on page 27, and in 698 + 715 + 717 + 719 my scumread on your hydra grows (i voted you in 719). however your 816 is the first instance i see of you scumreading me.

don't claim you scumread me first, and more than that don't claim that i'm only scumreading you because of that. i'm not feeling that this is your town game, and i'll comment more on this in particular at the end.

beast is the same way. he doesn't refer to me at all until i began to scumread him and talked about that scumread in 797 + 799 + my readslist in 802. the first mention of "doduo" or "marquis" in any of his posts is 801, and from then on it's an OMGUS read. (lol read 805)

(note: re-reading beast's 801, the second line in particular is giving me stronger scumvibes now. it completely matches what i would see as beast talking from a current-scum perspective. i'd rather focus on that as a wagon than lying cat, but there doesn't appear to be any support.)

i don't even recall any time that zzzx said i was scum. he not only says i'm town in 349 + 882, but goes as far as to call me "confirmed town" as far as he's concerned in 850. (there's a subtle implication of a townread too in 951 but let's throw that to the side for now.) so no, he actually doesn't agree with you that i'm scum, so stop trying to use him as an extra playername you can throw at me. pedit: 1466 has me as town too still but a bit weaker i guess. that's my fault (though i do think i have been posting game-relevant things lately! it's not all fluff so stop trying to dismiss it as that).

as for my read on zzzx, from the exchange between him and gg zzzx came out townier than he was earlier for me. i don't like the idea of lynching him today since i do think he's easy lynchbait, but lately i've not really been feeling anything strong either way about him, which does set off a few warning bells. zzzx usually has a strong presence at all times as town.

back @ metal sonic and referring to metal sonic + saki: as far as i can remember, in every game we've both played with each other as town we both had townvibes on the other and consequently, townreads as well. dark age of the law, the first knight errant, bravest warriors (off site), and vanilla/mountainous (off site) - all of these are large games in which we were both town and i remember at least on my part that i both identified you as town and had to deal with you being lynchbait of some sort.

but this is different - this is the first game where i'm town and am not getting townvibes from you, and considering our history can you see why it's freaking me out??? i'm pretty sure you're scum, but despite the posts that have rubbed me the wrong way, you've been making a few town-sounding points. so while i might be off in this one instance, i really don't think so. a lot of the reads you're making and lot of the stances you're agreeing with, not to mention your "early" readslist in 673, run so contrary to mine that i don't think we're the same alignment for once.

at this point it would probably strengthen my case to make a wall and call out the individual posts of yours that i find scummy, but i honestly can't be assed to at the moment. just know that your "read" on me is shit and your case of me scumreading you only because you're scumreading me? is shit too.

still feeling some relevancy here

[Marquis]

if either of marquis or beast are scum I think it clears the other. I was in that game where their hydra was scum and this interaction doesn't feel fake to me. I think it is likely that 1 of them are tho I am just not sure how to read the dynamics.

@ metal

you were in that game too, do you agree with what I just said?

VOTE: Marquis

Lol. Really, the bystandard effect? There are two people who are voting me at least. This isn't everyone thinking everyone else is going to make a case against me. You are stretching Marquis.

Maybe your mislynch wagon on me isn't picking up because it is horrible.

the bystander effect doesn't apply to making a case on you

this is it:

multiple people have already said that they want to lynch you if your lynch gained steam, yet the bystander effect applies in how they're waiting for other people to wagon you first.

what's so stupid about this whole situation is that your wagon simply isn't building up because the people waiting for your wagon to build up are just watching and not voting.

also, if you weren't scum there would have been at least one large wagon on you, guaranteed. your play is just that naturally scummy, and there are more than enough players here who don't know you well enough to defend you based on meta.

scum are constantly looking for mislynches.

i don't seriously believe scum thought

mastin

would be an easier mislynch than you, and to a lesser extent the perpetual

lying cat

wagon.

so who do you think are the scum sat out the mastina lynch and are sitting out the cat creatures (for the record I still think cat creatures are scum like I am pretty sure of it) "mislynch"?

here is the mastina lynch:

mastin2 - 9 (Lying Cat,

MTD

, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr,

Perpetual Nonsense

, vezokpiraka,

Titus

)

we have 3 town flips and I highly doubt that this was an all town wagon.

this is what cat creatures wagon looks like right now:

Lying Cat - 4 (Bulbazak, ZZZX, vezokpiraka, pirate mollie)

vezo whom is conftown is the only on both so I am not quite sure what you are saying here with your original point

I saw what you are saying mollie.

Time to kill scum marquis.

unvote
vote marquis

Apparently you don't see because that's not even what mollie was saying at all.

Like I'm really fucking pissed that scum wasn't dumb enough to kill you yet with all the mislynches you've been pushing.

I'll respond to more pressing things when I get home.

what exactly do you think that I am saying?

i interpreted your second quote using the first quote in that you weren't saying exactly that i was scum but that i could be, and that the second quote was just questioning only slightly leaning dangerous. and i thought it was really stupid how vezok apparently just needed that post to jump back onto me.

as for the mastin wagon i don't even remember what i was thinking. all it is is that when i look at beast's posts and iso and even hear him saying "my posts are scummy and i could be a lynch", what comes into my head is that beast is scum because at this point i highly doubt scum wouldn't jump at the chance to wagon him.

i've been pushing the beast wagon all game.

if i've been wrong this whole time and he's town, it's a very very easy wagon to get behind for his scummy posts alone. as town in other games, beast's typically been wagoned hard by now.

it makes more sense that he's scum because the beast wagon barely has anyone pushing it at all. i keep thinking scum are just ignoring and deflecting from the wagon on their partner.

smaller note, what i'm feeling from this lynch wagon is the same as i felt about the zekrom-scum wagon in anything goes: blatantly, obviously scum, and yet the wagon on him refuses to move forward because... why. idk. scum brakes? town "compromise lynch" and "only if the wagon builds"?

anyway i'm starting to feel a headache/fever/idk come on and i'm not really feeling up to further fruitless defense posts and statements atm. bbl

[Marquis]

slap

die scum

[Marquis]

i might be wrong on my saki read

but fuck everything if i'm wrong on my beast read

[Marquis]

switch those two

[Marquis]

no nvm don't

i stand by 2939? yeah?

[Marquis]

i'm at the point where i'm wondering if i should just claim with 6 days left

[Marquis]

I like how everything metal/saki says to respond to majiffy is one of

"Majiffy got frustrated and tried to selfvote earlier, his reads are unreliable now"

Or

"Majiffy was one of the voices behind the day 1 mislynch, his reads are unreliable now"

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

whatever

you all suck when it comes to beast

[Marquis]

to prevent "oh lying cat claimed a power, let's vote the other wagon without trying to figure out if it's town or scum" (even though i am hesitantly calling their plays town from what i can remember trackwise)

i am ethyl acetate

this is a flavor claim; i am not claiming my power

but i have crumbed it a bit and this is why i got so worked up over titus' "aunt ethyl" thing and eventually townread her (before the majiffy "titus is clean" thing)

Spoiler: me not getting titus' aunt ethyl thing because she initially referred to me but wtf was going on, and then titus flipped with just flavor-"informed" things on ethyl and it was disappointing because i was counting on her to be informed townie or something, like "you know doduo/marquis is town"

God damn it D.. I thought you were my aunt Ethyl but I think I am wrong here.

titus please post and follow up on that nice conversation we were about to have before my inactivity and the outage

NULL

Titus - ????????????????????????????????????????????????/whatsgoingonhere

and depending on the time of day and the positions of the stars you can stick titus in there somewhere (in other words i don't even know how i fucking feel about that slot at all. and there was some sort of early convo that needed to happen that didn't and i don't even know what titus was hinting at early on with the rolesearching-type comments)

players stuck in my head but i don't have a read on: titus

titus i need you to claim in your next post.

don't fail me now

who the fuck is aunt ethyl titus i've been trying to figure out what you're talking about or hinting at the whole game because it sure doesn't look like you mean you

titus, just tell me: are you informed role of some sort? as in the modifier "informed"?

are you an informed*

because that's the only scenario i can think of in which you would be fixated on an ethyl role like this.

titus oh my god

is ethyl scum?

is ethyl town?

do you not know at all??????

please stop to answer this honestly because i really don't get it anymore

[Marquis]

God damn it D.. I thought you were my aunt Ethyl but I think I am wrong here.

in short i am not claiming i am confirmed town, but that i had thought titus was trying to confirm something like that based on her role and the ethyl role (me)

she only mentioned ethyl/alcohol in her role pm flavor.

my role pm flavor does not mention titus or phenol though unfortunately.

today has been generally disappointing as a result.

[Marquis]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

[Marquis]

and majiffy bulba and zzzx all know my meta and know i'm town

vezok having played with me before and wanting to lynch me anyway also conftowns me. like really. the reads are that far off with that one.

and when people take down their dirty meta blinders they should realize that i am pretty fucking town

like obvtown

and to be quite honest i'm never obvtown as scum. blatant self-meta, but it's true.

[Marquis]

also vezo shld be in your list don't touch town category I mean he is a confmason so why is he not in that place?

that's covered under conftown/solved through prs

[Marquis]

and oh yeah marquis is softclaiming too? yeah your role DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and fuck anybody who tries to say it does.

lol what

[Marquis]

also metal is lynchbait and every1 knows this. it is why i have no plans on lynching him. ever. majiffy is making arguments which apply to any1 but metal. I haven't played against scummetal before but if he could do a "<3 mollie" as scum and not fear for his eternal soul then I just don't know what to do.

i remembered i wanted to reply to this

1) metal is lynchbait as both town and scum. don't use that as a reason for "metal is town"

2) the rest of the metal thing is also dumb because in part (but not completely because) you're giving him a free pass just because he's metal sonic.

his play this game may be as casual looking as it always is, but he is scum this time. bye

[Marquis]

altho beast looked terribad but then I don't know beast and in which case mebbe they don't look bad for him

jfc

[Marquis]

what I am trying to say is this reminds me so much of quicklynchscummarquis but I am wondering why you don't see it, instead you seem to be pushing extraneous points.

how

i'm town

zzzx was right tbh with his tell because i can't find a single game in which i troll as scum because i at least have some self preservation when on an informed minority

[Marquis]

thanks majiffy

i am upset that beast wagon is likely not going through because there is an inherent bystander effect in trying to stop the initial bystander effect of lynching scumbeast

but i will stick with you on the saki wagon for the rest of today

this is because we are the new and much more accurate masons

[Marquis]

pretty credible

seriously why is almost everything like a discredit of majiffy

pedit tell me more about how i was obvtown in that game? if you actually cared to remember/not misrepresent my play there i was generally nullscum the whole time through

[Marquis]

and majiffy bulba and zzzx all know my meta and know i'm town

vezok having played with me before and wanting to lynch me anyway also conftowns me. like really. the reads are that far off with that one.

and when people take down their dirty meta blinders they should realize that i am pretty fucking town

like obvtown

and to be quite honest i'm never obvtown as scum. blatant self-meta, but it's true.

I find it quaint that you think that the people who have a meta read on you are town.

but those of us who also might likely have a meta read on you, you somehow fit into your purview as scum?

lol

oh i'm saying i'm town and if metal's going to say "these people have played with marquis before and are scumreading him, even though at least one is prob scum" i am going to reply with "these people have played with me before and are meta townreading me, and one of them is majiffy so that's even more conftown than vezok"

[Marquis]

and oh yeah marquis is softclaiming too? yeah your role DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and fuck anybody who tries to say it does.

lol what

you were softclaiming don't even pretend that you weren't

i wasn't pretending i wasn't softclaiming lol

but how does my role not make sense when i've only flavorclaimed

seriously mollie i cannot figure out if you are just paranoid of me now or actually scum trying to leverage a recent scumwin of mine to your advantage here

[Marquis]

also why would i think titus was informed townie and ask her to confirm that (informed being that she had "you know the role ethyl acetate to be town") if i was scum

pedit no you

metal is lynchbait in the way zekromscum was lynchbait in desp's ny game - "oh, he's blatantly scum and should be dead by now, but you know what, we should let him live because lynching him would be too easy"

and it took a cop guilty to lynch zekrom

i would rather not have to waste the cop invent on getting metal/saki guiltied

so just lynch him so we don't have to waste prs in finally getting him ejected from this game

[Marquis]

agh agh fuck 3073 sounded good tho

like no joke

it was a good point

[Marquis]

i might be wrong on my saki read

but fuck everything if i'm wrong on my beast read

this is it.

this still applies.

also:

from very recent experience:

beast does not know who he wants to lynch as scum. our hydra dissonance in quickness was real because i kept trying to unvote beast's erratic lategame pushes mostly his horrible conftowning-the-potential-lylo-lynch-targets votes.

as town, beast tunnels hard. he will get some idea into his head regardless of how weird it is and he will be convinced he has found scum. even after it flips super mega innocent child.

beast's recent votehops between me and saki and ac and zzzx (generally anyone daring to pressure him or hint toward starting to pressure him) are indicative of his scum meta.

pedit hey metal, when will you reveal that zekrom.................... was your alt?

oh wait i just did

[Marquis]

i am just kidding you are not zekrom though i kind of wish you are that would make proving your scumminess much easier

[Marquis]

also why would i think titus was informed townie and ask her to confirm that (informed being that she had "you know the role ethyl acetate to be town") if i was scum

pedit no you

metal is lynchbait in the way zekromscum was lynchbait in desp's ny game - "oh, he's blatantly scum and should be dead by now, but you know what, we should let him live because lynching him would be too easy"

and it took a cop guilty to lynch zekrom

i would rather not have to waste the cop invent on getting metal/saki guiltied

so just lynch him so we don't have to waste prs in finally getting him ejected from this game

Titus was VT you scumbutt

What the heck are you trying to pull here




Ethyl is a very common thing in organic chemistry it was very likely she was joking

Don't you dare put more intepretation and speculate about something that isn't there to attempt to make you seem town

really

really really really

i just said i had thought titus was informed, not that she flipped it

my point which you seemed to have missed:

why would i think titus was an informed townie when she made the ethyl crumbs, if i'm not town myself?

if i was scum, i wouldn't even consider the possibility that titus was informed of my alignment.

if i was scum, i wouldn't then push her to confirm me-ethyl as town because i would know there was nothing to confirm

[Marquis]

mollie how is this even quickness me

i legitimately cannot see any similarities at all

there i was scummy, hard defending my scumpartners and only having town as my scumreads, resulting in all my reads being "incorrect" if i were town

here i am obvtown, blatantly trying to push lynches off of town and onto scum, and so far my reads have actually been on point

ta-da

[Marquis]

How the heck would I know what you were thinking? Plus it's like 60 pages ago how do you expect me to remember that?

i quoted it all pls

[Marquis]

Maybe ethyl was your fake claim and you wanted to respond or something

No idea

You're still scum

you have no idea why i'm scum is pretty much the gist of........... everything, really

lynching marquis just sounds fun!

pedit oh trust me if i could manipulate and brainwash you into randomly townreading me i so would. but i can't. because i'm town and you're scum. sorry

[Marquis]

i might be wrong on my saki read

but fuck everything if i'm wrong on my beast read

this is it.

this still applies.

must not forget sigh

[Marquis]

http://koalas.forumotion.com/t10p50-fas ... -mylo#1876

[Marquis]

my only emotion here is a mixture of hysterical laughter and pissed off not "hmmmmmmph i'm sadupset" so nopeeeeeee

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beast

[Marquis]

Fucking lol

[Marquis]

he took offence to me using the word "retarded" which bought him a townread from me. cos otherwise that is skeevyscumplay.

if you had done it here I would have been just as uncomfortable jsyk

[Marquis]

like personal beef with often-offensive words like that isn't a towntell or a scumtell so it's a bit irritating that you're trying to sell it as such

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beast

this is so opportunistic it makes me wanna cry

marquis, you say that your play here is different than in quicklynch; how so?

cos I am seeing a bunch of similarities and you are pooping them away. you didn't defend slaandy iirc or skrew that much you did however defend berthydra other than that your whole self-meta case as to the differences does not add up. you are not adding up

I've been trying to push a beast lynch the entire day calling for support and when I vote him again because the wagon actually has support you're criticizing me of being opportunistic? Like jfc if you're town can you just like..... reevaluate what you consider to be a scumtell

and considering that not a single scum (I.e. beast) has even flipped yet why are you trying to use the meta regarding that. it was merely a point and a part of a whole as to why I'm so obviously town as opposed to that game

also me defending some scum partner and not the other in that game is pretty much...... like what do you even get out of analyzing that

[Marquis]

anti you didn't post a picture how do I know the right Google image result now

[Marquis]

Okay, Bulb. Explain to me why scum Tracker inventor would be a role in this setup.

I dunno...mebbe so that scum can track inventors?

they are day inventors

pretty sure we've been over this a lot

do you really think I am detached now?

i have and continue to do so

[Marquis]

this is the internet

tbh i should have seen mollie's sarcasm a mile away

but metal you can't track who inventors give the invent to like wtf stop this and just vig yourself

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

oh i think i've tried

but i'm going to bed before i have urges to roll my eyes again

night

<3

[Marquis]

majiffy please vote beast saki can wait one more day and ppl don't want to lynch him anyway

[Marquis]

you don't really want to lynch me either as far as i remember

[Marquis]

21 hours left.

beast is the highest wagon at L-3.

majiffy.

gunsmiths.

vezok.

come on.

[Marquis]

wicked too.

[Marquis]

VOTE: marquis

town would probably do better without me at this point.

[Marquis]

ugh

BEAST

[Marquis]

1) I have very good reason to believe speedy saki has access to a quicktopic and is scum for reasons I cannot divulge

2) how that specific inventor power operates makes me think there is a mafia traitor as the fourth scum

[Marquis]

"blah blah blah I still have to look like my pushes are town motivated blah blah blah"

sigh

still pretty sure the reason vezok hasn't died yet is less because of potential protection and more because of his voting choices

[Marquis]

i was going to say earlier that mollie seemed to be a total nonentity in that vca before day 3 and the "it's one of beast and marquis" thing but then i just got depressed and didn't say it and now i will vote mollie

VOTE: mollie

ok

thanks vezok

[Marquis]

actually i want to do vca later because i don't trust wicked enough to put everything important in there.

4 votes out of 6 on mollie.

i'm tempted to say to quickhammer her before she comes up with a good fakeclaim and avoids the lynch but actually don't quickhammer her because things

[Marquis]

why did you choose ac over me after yesterday's debacle

[Marquis]

feels cheap

tomorrow after mollie and if i'm alive i promise <3

[Marquis]

reasons

[Marquis]

sorry for inactivity, i've been playing marathons since friday and neglecting everything else :x semi-busy today, but bbl

[Marquis]

One of saki majiffy scum right now I am opposite before

VOTE: zzzx

[Marquis]

VOTE: marquis

was going to share my thoughts that pv's push/vote on me is way too horrible for scum to do but the last two times i townread someone for that they were actually scum so \o/

[Marquis]

whoa hwoa

VOTE: pv

[Marquis]

good thing i got that out of my system before a potential lylo

[Marquis]

i think lynching pv today is the best bet then if it comes down to a me-majiffy-wicked lylo i'm pretty confident in my abilities to try and find jiffy-town-with-an-agenda

then again if wicked is scum he might kill me and leave vezok to quickvote majiffy in lylo

idk

too many weird scum antics lately

[Marquis]

damn

[Marquis]

wish i stuck to the metal sonic read i fucking knew he was different this game