Tales of You (Endgame)

[Katsuki]

Who are you I don't see your name in the OP AP.

[Katsuki]

Cupcake should not be a strong townread for anyone. Meta can go fuck itself.

LOL

How am I scum then?

Did you ever answer this AP?

Yes

Bring it up for me then you post way too mcuh and I never found it.

[Katsuki]

It is now night one. Please send all actions and such before the deadline hits.


Night deadline: (expired on 2014-04-23 15:06:10)

Aren't you early?

[Katsuki]

Also, if anyone could think I'm still scum at this point, I don't know what to tell them. Like, I don't want to chalk things up to personal bias against me b/c I'm a dick, etc, but I'd be at a loss for any other explanation for anyone voting me at this point.

I totally have you down as scum don't worry. <3

[Katsuki]

I expect my read to firm up there with more data.

You don't have enough data after 180 pages? >.>

[Katsuki]

Really freakin' sick.
Of people saying that they know what my scumgame is.
Without focusing on what actually drives my scumgame.

Welcome to how I always get lynched recently as town.

Then again if people truly knew what drives my scumgame I'd be in trouble haha.

[Katsuki]

WTF WHATS WITH ALL THESE PAGES I THOUGHT DAY JUST STARTED

ON A SIDE NOTE

THERE WILL BE BLOOD ONCE I LOG IN PROPERLY (AKA WHEN I GET OFF WORK)
SOMEONE SCUM IS DYING

[Katsuki]

The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

What do you think about bro claiming to have tracked ap to ffery?

Well, that's what tripped me up at first.

However, considering we already have players claiming to be roleblocked, the likelihood of me being roleblocked is essentially 0.

The only possibilities then would like in there being a redirector or busdriver. Why a redirector would target me is LOLOL so lets discount that.
The last possibility would be a busdriver. If there was one who targetted AP+someone last night, they should've claimed already. Given no claim, we will discount that.

What remains is that, my action went through and AP is lying scum. Why despbros would come out with that fake tracker claim as scumbuddies I have no idea.

The last possibility is that, my action did NOT go through, but that would involve AP fakeclaiming ANYWAYS so.
Actually... typing up this post, now that you mention it, that is a possibility. HOWEVER, despbros claimed that their action fails on scum...

SIDETRACK:
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THERE BE A ROLE THAT'S STRONGER THAN COP ANYWAYS?! THINK ABOUT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY GIVES ALIGNMENT RESULT + ROLE CONFIRMATION OF TOWNIES
Actually the entire claim just seems wack.

But it would be a possibility that despbros is town given an AP scumflip. Their claim seems like WHOOOOOOOSH though and I'd be happier assuming their scum anyways.
EITHER WAY
AP IS SCUM AND CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TOWN
As for DESPBROS, I'm probably going to regret giving them a way out after AP flips scum, but well... right now, that's all I can think of, and while I disagree with being forthcoming, meh.
It IS possible that AP actioned N2 AS FAKECLAIMING SCUM (ROLE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE). In that event, he probably roleblocked stalin.

NACHO ON THE OTHER HAND
DESERVES ROPE

[Katsuki]

Cupcake Panda - don't like the lead-up to the big reveal. don't like the early reactions, though the last few posts are more in solve-it mode.

SORRY IM TOWN TRYING TO WORK OUT WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH ALL THESE CLAIMS TODAY

BECAUSE THEY SURE AS FUCK DONT MAKE SENSE ON MY END BARRING AP/DESPBRO SCUM.

[Katsuki]

QUOTE THESE POSTS IN LATER.

[Katsuki]

@Tammy: Anyone can manipulate a neighbourhood... Hell I manipulated 4 heads into thinking I was towntowntown in Team Mafia: AN...

@Pere: If AP is a fakeclaiming beast, he and stalin are not confirmed.

p-edt: wow ninjas to oblivion posted this ages ago

[Katsuki]

Nacho's obvfuckingscum but y'all just gonna be bad and let him live all game.

Man this feels like a repeat of that last CBAD game.

[Katsuki]

You were scum in the last one.
DIE YOU SCUMFUCK

pedit: that ssk/cabd one

[Katsuki]

You were scum in the last one.
DIE YOU SCUMFUCK

pedit: that ssk/cabd one

Who is he manipulating in this game?

All of you evidently (minus his buddies).

[Katsuki]

I just asked Cabd if a Tracker would be able to see an action if that action were successfully Delayed on the same night. The answer was no.

Katsuki is confirmed to have not Delayed me

AND YOU DIE AFTER MY FLIP

[Katsuki]

Nacho I swear to fuck imma cut you when I see you up in SF.

i'm gonna talk so much shit in SF

I bet you will. You're managing to mislynch me as both alignments.

If anything, I've learned my lesson this game that I'm lurking out to LYLO from now on until the meta changes. Fuck trying to be protown.

[Katsuki]

I can only pray you guys will lynch AP after my flip but knowing you all you won't.

I'll enjoy my tirade in the dead QT and postgame when scum sweep this.

Vote: cupcakepanda

[Katsuki]

oh this vote isnt even valid teehee ill selfhammer later.

[Katsuki]

I also refuse to believe an entire wagons worth of dumbfucks could possibly believe that I would play like this as scum. It literally makes 0 fucking sense.

[Katsuki]

Are you scum-claiming?

No I just give up fuck this game.

[Katsuki]

I am with you but unless we can figure out why/how JSU is confirming AP, you are probably going to wind up lynched.

Honestly the only possibilities for them being town is either I was blocked, or scum have some sort of redirection power.

Otherwise, AP at the very least is scum.
You guys better not let them wiggle out of rope though.

[Katsuki]

I also refuse to believe an entire wagons worth of dumbfucks could possibly believe that I would play like this as scum. It literally makes 0 fucking sense.

please tell us more about how you playing to your town meta as scum makes "literally 0 fucking sense"

The fuck is this post even

[Katsuki]

Oh yeah AP's just gonna claim I got roleblocked tmr ANYWAYS.

[Katsuki]

I'd make another comment regarding changing avatars and my townflip but mods nowadays consider that to be "cheating" apparently so.

It's incredibly funny when cult recruiters make avatar bets with loopholes though.

[Katsuki]

stfu

[Katsuki]

I'm waiting to see how you explain tomorrow its gonna be fun

[Katsuki]

LALALALA

[Katsuki]

Its just like how you have nacho read as town rofl

[Katsuki]

And you guys are probably wrong about it so meh? Sorry if I dont put much weight on the collective read of towns that have yet to lynch scum.

Honestly though if I were in the situation AP was in as a scumteam, I would've claimed something like what JUS claimed so. Players are just so willing to believe innocent results like that (go read Encore Mafia).

[Katsuki]

He's gotta continue with his act.

He's getting back at me for Anything Goes anyways.

[Katsuki]

I've been so tied up with my crusade of AP that I really never did ask: for those who want me dead, who are my buddies?

[Katsuki]

Whoever the fuck is alive tomorrow please parse through as to why the fuck we have 3 claimed investigative roles already.

Also I will reiterate that you all suck and that Cupcake-scum never made sense in the first place.

[Katsuki]

Further reminders that we have a JOAT whatever pwoers they may have had,.

I should add in now that I never bothered claiming I have a one-shot magnet which in hindsight would suggest that we already have a town redirecting power.... Didn't think this was important earlier OH WELL

[Katsuki]

I wonder what you guys have actually managed to discuss in 254 pages because it feels like next to 0 useful discussion occurred...

P-edit: youre right it has nothing to do with scum misdirection I'm tired and have no idea what im talking about right now.

I can target one person once during the game and have their actions redirected to me (useful as a reverse-bodyguard of sorts).

[Katsuki]

Sleeping now prob last post of the game.

I wish town the best of luck because you guys really will need it.

p.s. LYNCH NACHO, THEN PA. DONT LET AP LIVE TO ENDGAME BECAUSE FUCK HIM.

[Katsuki]

Why didn't you say this before?

I got enoguh flak for just half my role can you imagine if I claimed everything truthfully? Fuck being truthful as town, it brings nothing but misery.

[Katsuki]

Why PA?

She hedged her posts harddddddd today.

[Katsuki]

FTR I envy how your life seems to revolve around alcohol and kittens, Tammy.

[Katsuki]

I wish town the best of luck because you guys really will need it.

p.s. LYNCH NACHO, THEN PA. DONT LET AP LIVE TO ENDGAME BECAUSE FUCK HIM.

I thought you'd carry us through, CF.

IN OTHER WORDS WELL PLAYED JUS, CONGRATS ON THE WIN!

[Katsuki]

gg scum.

This town. I dunno man. To the extent I sheeped, which most notably by taking JSU's AP read over my own, but not the only instance, I was wrong not to follow my own reads.

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

[Katsuki]

gg scum.

This town. I dunno man. To the extent I sheeped, which most notably by taking JSU's AP read over my own, but not the only instance, I was wrong not to follow my own reads.

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

Do you not get that Desp and I had information that directly conflicted with your claim.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?

OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

[Katsuki]

I wish town the best of luck because you guys really will need it.

p.s. LYNCH NACHO, THEN PA. DONT LET AP LIVE TO ENDGAME BECAUSE FUCK HIM.

I thought you'd carry us through, CF.

IN OTHER WORDS WELL PLAYED JUS, CONGRATS ON THE WIN!

KATSUKI.

WE BLOCKED YOU.

HA.

NACHO AND I GOT OFF SO MUCH ON LYNCHING YOU. IT WAS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TBH.

I'M SURE I MADE MY THOUGHTS QUITE CLEAR AT MOSFAIRE

THOUGH FUCK SCUMTEAMS THAT ALWAYS TARGET ME WITH PRS
ITS LIKE FUCKING DESTINY MAFIA II ALL OVER AGAIN.

JUS/AP SCUMTEAM TOO STRONK

[Katsuki]

This game is also why it's a good example of why posting as much as you guys did this game is antitown. There's been arguments made years ago but this just takes the cake.

[Katsuki]

gg scum.

This town. I dunno man. To the extent I sheeped, which most notably by taking JSU's AP read over my own, but not the only instance, I was wrong not to follow my own reads.

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

Do you not get that Desp and I had information that directly conflicted with your claim.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?

OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

False. Role information always trumps everything, since one of those things is far more frequently wrong than the other.

Unless you want to contest that any player has reads that are more accurate than the rate at which godfathers exist in closed setups.

LOL
GODFATHERS ARE COMMON

YOU FAILED TO DISSECT AP'S CLAIM
IT SCREAMED SCUM FAKECLAIM WITH 349573489574 LOOPHOLES BUILT IN

THEN HIS PLAY
AND NACHOS PLAY
AND PA'S PLAY

THERE HAVE BEEN PLAYERS THAT HAVE IGNORED THEIR OWN GODFATHER INNOCENTS BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE AND LYNCHED CORRECTLY REGARDLESS
ROLE INFORMATION IS NEVER 100% CONFIRMATION

[Katsuki]

So many of my favorite people to play mafia with in this game. I dunno why it became so dysfunctional.

On Day 2 things were looking extremely grim for scum so I took a lot of efforts to try and break up any meaningful communication. So I guess I can claim some responsibility for this?

How was it grim/what happened? I didn't read anything from D2.

[Katsuki]

Q fucking Q.

Town was stacked with power coming out its ass.

Cf actually had mod confirmation that I lied about my role and didnt out it so I feel zero shame.

yeah but
player-wise
scum was stronger.

It so happened that the scumteam got all the good BS'ers, and town were all the waffly type.

Muffin going down early hurt too.

[Katsuki]

Hey muffin you wanna write nomination post or me?

[Katsuki]

Subject: Tales of You (Pick) Scum thread

Mastin is... so unbelievably town.

FTR, this^
--

Day 2 looked bad for scum because the number of mislynchable people was really really low. No one on the scum team was really out of the question for a lynch and several town players had banded together to make it very difficult to actually mislynch someone aggressively. Mastin was the only town player that was reasonable to swing on that Day so I let it happen.

"This town is indecisive. It has no leaders. Also all the noise coming from mastin and some others is causing apathy.

This game is a shoo-in for scum right now. I swear to god."

I'm sure these words seem familiar.

[Katsuki]

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

Do you not get that Desp and I had information that directly conflicted with your claim.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?

OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

False. Role information always trumps everything, since one of those things is far more frequently wrong than the other.

Unless you want to contest that any player has reads that are more accurate than the rate at which godfathers exist in closed setups.

LOL
GODFATHERS ARE COMMON

YOU FAILED TO DISSECT AP'S CLAIM
IT SCREAMED SCUM FAKECLAIM WITH 349573489574 LOOPHOLES BUILT IN

THEN HIS PLAY
AND NACHOS PLAY
AND PA'S PLAY

THERE HAVE BEEN PLAYERS THAT HAVE IGNORED THEIR OWN GODFATHER INNOCENTS BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE AND LYNCHED CORRECTLY REGARDLESS
ROLE INFORMATION IS NEVER 100% CONFIRMATION

Even if I assumed that there was a godfather in this game, the odds of me hitting it, given a town result, were 1/13. Do I really need to walk through the math here?

pedit: Yeah, my reads early this game sucked. It happens. Move on.

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE MATH

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU FAILED TO EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU BEING WRONG

[Katsuki]

...This entire game is an exercise in decision making based on assumptions and probabilistic outcomes. Mafia is built on math

No wonder you're always wrong and throwing games.

[Katsuki]

see i wouldn't actually be making fun of you for bad reads, bro, except you were cocky enough to think your reads were the most amazing thing since sliced bread, and said so multiple times in game, so the sweet, sweet irony that all scum had to do was sheep you to victory makes it that much funnier

and yes, kudos on getting 2/3 pegged at end game

hey man 66% accuracy is very hard when random chance to hit scum is 50%.

[Katsuki]

I'm amused that as a vig, you thought I'd shoot RBD over you, AP.

[Katsuki]

You were confused scum D1 as to why I wasn't a viable mislynch target.

I'm still bitter about being excluded from the neighbourhoods.

[Katsuki]

The point I'm trying to make is, there's no need to be an asshat to someone for being a bad game. If this were League, and I'd had a bad game and fed, and Muffin/Katsuki and maybe you treated me the way you've treated me here, you'd all be reported, and your behavior would ultimately get punished. Because it's toxic behavior.

People have bad games. Nobody's immune from it. You try to figure out what went wrong and move on. You don't be an asshat to other people.

DEMS DOUBLE STANDARDS

[Katsuki]

The point I'm trying to make is, there's no need to be an asshat to someone for being a bad game. If this were League, and I'd had a bad game and fed, and Muffin/Katsuki and maybe you treated me the way you've treated me here, you'd all be reported, and your behavior would ultimately get punished. Because it's toxic behavior.

People have bad games. Nobody's immune from it. You try to figure out what went wrong and move on. You don't be an asshat to other people.

DEMS DOUBLE STANDARDS

I dare you to find places where I was outright toxic, other than my "cock through meat grinder" comment that got me warned.

ANYTHING GOES CALLS

[Katsuki]

AP your entire face screams cheeky lol

That 1v1 with nacho was hilarity though. Bridget and I instantly called you scum.

[Katsuki]

In this game

Anything Goes is the game that made me try to be less toxic, regardless of what other players around me are doing.

Unfortunately the only day where I read anything was D3, and even then I stopped when AP started throwing the kitchen sink at me.

LOL does explain where your rage comes from though haha, I hear that game is plain toxic.

[Katsuki]

AP vs Katsuki wasn't a thing because Desp/I had the result on AP that indicated katsuki was wrong. If anything, it should have been us vs. katsuki, which would have been wrong b/c of the role block.

There was a reason why I just discounted you guys in my scum reads at the end entirely because I figured you guys were just plain wrong and got false/misleading/wrong information.

It was AP vs Katsuki. Even if my claim was fake, AP's reaction was SCUMSCUMSCUM (which in the end is the msot important thing).

[Katsuki]

(not to mention my role had a loophole for failing which was FAR more likely than me being blocked anyways (aka AP being a beast (he is a beast, terrible terrible person))).

[Katsuki]

I feel like I do. I mean in the game Muffin and I talked about what I thought of how he comes across and I feel like I understand him a little better. I'll never feel like insulting people is all right, but I really don't think right after the game ended, a game that was pretty frustrating for most of us, where we just lost after, most of us having shit reads, is really a productive time to start pointing fingers over who was more toxic etc. The majority of us were, we can do better and should.

So then why not tell katsuki to stop it when the first thing he does post-game is come in and bm me?

I haven't used a single swear thoguh

[Katsuki]

Btw this scumteam is already nommed for best mafia performance. Because hot damn.

Town had no direction nor leader tbh.

[Katsuki]

Welp the next item on the revenge agenda is getting back at Iec/Nacho/Katsuki for that 3 room game.

LOL WASNT THIS GAME ENOUGH?

[Katsuki]

AP I think CHEEKY SCUMFUCK would make a most fitting title for you

[Katsuki]

OH FFREY

I JUST NOTICED I DIDNT READ YOU AS SCUM THIS GAME

ZOMG

[Katsuki]

Welp the next item on the revenge agenda is getting back at Iec/Nacho/Katsuki for that 3 room game.

LOL WASNT THIS GAME ENOUGH?

OK FINE JUST YERKY AND NACHO THEN.

YOU BETTER BE ON MY SCUMTEAM IN MOS-VITATIONAL

<3

[Katsuki]

Godfathers have always been relatively common yet everyone here sounds like they've never played a Godfather game before. :/

[Katsuki]

GFs are also terrible because they punish the town viciously for making a good decision (investigating scum).

I disagree. Town deserve to be punished if they just incorrectly sheep results. Same shit as trusting cop investigations (cop sanity never confirmed).

It's the same principal of a last remaining scum ninja being tracked, producing a false innocent, or sheeping an insane cop.

[Katsuki]

One of the things I'm mulling over is how my lack of strong scumreads affected how people were reading me. I think I mentioned in the game that if I were scum I would have just spit out a few scumreads. It would have been easy as scum to sheep some of the town players on the wrong track. I kinda think it would have been better to pretend a confidence I didn't actually have about some of my not-so-town reads. But, that goes against some deeply ingrained habits and principles as a town player.

So do what I do and get universally read as town!

Please don't don't need more of me haha

[Katsuki]

To me it felt weird that you wouldn't be scum reading people when so few people were particularly obvtown.

Not obvtown =/= scummy

I'd like to point out that my town reads this game were 100% accurate (even if I only had 1 )

[Katsuki]

No he didn't he called me scum!