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W/e, Singer is not actually scumhunting and is just being infuriating. I am done here. 2 minutes and I'm voting Singer for realz.
I just can't check in with this game tomorrow when I need to be with family and stuff.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3418, singersigner wrote:That's the shittiest reason to vote for someone and you should be ashamed of yourself
This feels manipulative as fuck and something you could say even if you are scum. That's not my real reason for wanting to vote you though.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3419, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:In post 3415, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:W/e, Singer is not actually scumhunting and is just being infuriating. I am done here. 2 minutes and I'm voting Singer for realz.
WTF
SHE IS CONFIRMED TOWN FOR NOT HAMMERING ME
IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE HER VOTE ME BECAUSE IF YOU THINK IM TOWN THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK SHE'S TOWN
LIKE HOLY MOLY
I don't get it. You are at L-2. PN never voted you.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3435, singersigner wrote:Hmm this could be interesting...
This feels town.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3438, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Or do you not know that because then you're not confirmed town???
^ This. She never said she wasn't hammering. She could have missed the Pedit. And by the time she decided to hammer, it would have been too late.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Arthur, I don't understand your unvote. No pair hammered PN so from your POV, PN has to be scum.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Spoiler: Bert
Nothing here feels like genuine scumhunting.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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VOTE: Perpetual Nonsense
This is the vote I feel good about and the one I want to make it stick.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Not unvoting this time around. Hopefully others confirm themselves and we have a win.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3454, singersigner wrote:I don't really know what you mean by confirming themselves?
You confirmed yourself as town by not hammering. Or it could be you/PN.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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If it was me and Arthur, there's no way I'd have given away the advantage by narrowing down the choices of who scum could be.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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But so far, we can eliminate:
Sugoku/Feu
Sugoku/Singer
Arthur/Singer
Feu/Singer
Sugoku/Arthur
Sugoku/PN
Arthur/PN
Arthur/Feu
PN/Singer
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Actually, if it is Arthur and Feu, Feu would have hammered.
And if it was us and PN, we would have hammered Arthur a while ago before Feu can unvote. So now we have:
Sugoku/Feu
Sugoku/Singer
Arthur/Singer
Feu/Singer
Arthur/Feu
Sugoku/PN
Sugoku/Arthur
PN/Arthur
PN/Feu
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We need votes at this point, not unvotes. I have no idea why you just unvoted. I have no idea under what circumstances Arthur could be town to you at this point.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3471, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:Actually, if it is Arthur and Feu, Feu would have hammered.
And if it was us and PN, we would have hammered Arthur a while ago before Feu can unvote. So now we have:
Sugoku/Feu
Sugoku/Singer
Arthur/Singer
Feu/Singer
Arthur/Feu - Feu would have already hammered PN.
Sugoku/PN
Sugoku/Arthur
PN/Arthur
PN/Feu
PN/Singer
Still trying to make sense of this. Singer checking out and refusing to hammer means she is either town or partnered with PN. If she is partnered with Arthur, she'd abuse Feu's rubbish connection case of me/Arthur scumteam to try and chainlynch us and bussing Arthur.
From a me-town POV, I can see three different possibilities and all of them include Bert as scum.
The only problem is who is the buddy.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3477, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:In post 3474, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:under what circumstances Arthur could be town to you at this point.
But I am town.
You are right, I missed that Singer/PN could be partners. But if they were, I suppose they'd have hammered you by now if Feu was town and had his vote on you.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Singer/PN makes sense if Feu is thickskulled enough to hard-townread Bert. If he doesn't vote PN, then there is no way we lynch him unless Singer busses. And that's not something she needs to do so she checks out. That theory makes sense.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Feu, Arthur.
In your next post, tell me if you would be down to lynch Singer. That way we confirm everybody else here and leave 3P as an autowin.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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It could be any of these.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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But my narrative with Singer makes the most sense as opposed to Feu hard-townreading his buddy in LYLO.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Here's a hint. PN is scum. Please give me one solid reason why he is not.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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We are not going to lose this game.
If Singer is town, she'll figure it out and hammer PN. If Singer is scum and you have an obscenely bad townread on PN, we'll figure that out too as she will refuse to hammer and play around and stall until deadline. In that case, we just lynch singer. PN will probably take you to LYLO with either me or Arthur and try to get you to vote whichever of us he brings to LYLO. And then, the game is in your hands. Try and figure out why you would be brought to LYLO when you are conftown. On the other hand, it could be Arthur/PN but honestly I don't know how that scenario plays out. Singer will figure out that PN is scum and hammer. Then Arthur might kill IDK who. And then LYLO.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3489, singersigner wrote:In post 3482, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:Feu, Arthur.
In your next post, tell me if you would be down to lynch Singer. That way we confirm everybody else here and leave 3P as an autowin.
YOU SCUMFUCK TRYING TO SQUEAZE A MISLYNCH ON ME WTF. You have either already incorrectly convinced yourself that I'm scum or you are scum trying to gather steam for someone manipulating everyone into thinking it would "confirm" them as town when really it would lose them the game. Like. Please anyone town realize this is literally the dumbest thing ever?
If you really are scum with PN, then my plan is the one that will lose you the game.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3492, Feu et Vol wrote:I can only see singer as scum with pn but at the same time I still can't see pn as scum
the most logical answer is you guys being scum together. it makes the most sense considering the helium kill since I'm pretty sure you had as strong of a townread on them as would merit a kill
And the only other option is that sad decided to cut his losses with pn as a lynchbait partner which I also want to believe but don't because it's like a greater of two evils scenario
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In post 3498, Feu et Vol wrote:In post 3474, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:I have no idea under what circumstances Arthur could be town to you at this point.
You trying to convince me Arthur is scum or PN is scum?
VOTE: Sugoku
You are scum.
All you have done is try to line up freaking lynches since yesterday. You now are trying to convince half the damn game that the other half is scum and no really inclusively. You said Singer has to be scum if Jason flipped town but you gave up on that for a while and now that you can't get the PN mislynch you are hoping to play off of people wanting to end the game and Singer's apathy to get them lynched.
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This is incredibly dumb and I have trouble believing that you actually think this.
I voted Bert because I suspected him, I ISO'd him, and came to the conclusion that he was scum.
I find it interesting that you no longer want to vote Arthur and put him at L-1 because Singer would be confirmed town then.
Your suspicion of us is the dumbest fucking suspicion that I've ever come across.
You really think that if I was scum, I'd be a fucking moron and call EVERY single living player scum and alienate all of them. I don't know who the hell the scum and that should blatantly obvious from the way I've played this LYLO.
All I feel good about is a meta-scumread on Bert.
Bert did jack all in this game and lurk-fucked his way to 5P LYLO.
He posted in other games. He posted in sitechat. A vote on him gave no response at all.
You consider me being indecisive and pushing everyone as scummy. The thing is your scumhunting is so fucking surface level you actually believe that's what scum-me would do.
Look at any of my scumgames. I am nowhere near any good but I try to give fucking reads. I don't leave aside a thousand possibilities and chain lynches.
Like holy crap, you actually think scum chain lynch people. That's naive as fuck. The first thing that would come to mind before I post that as scum is to thing "this might look scummy so I won't post it."
I legit suspected Singer because she did nothing when Jason was about to be lynched.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Well, I'm not hammering Arthur so Arthur if town should know that I am conftown to him.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3500, Feu et Vol wrote:The thing about pn being town that I can't get around is that i absolutely cannot see bert fakeclaiming miller, and the reason being to throw off tammy specifically just seems so vain and farfetched.
He would have to risk a miller counterclaim in his second post.
He would have to risk a policy lynch on him, which if scum could be avoided by being helpful, but he hasn't been. And at the very least gaiden would be into it if scum and I'm thinking they're perpetually depressed or disengaged town.
I don't see scum pn potentially throwing a game like that day 1 and in his second post.
The site doesn't policy lynch miller claims.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3509, Feu et Vol wrote:Sugoi if you're town I don't understand why you keep bringing up voting singer though.
Pedit I'm pretty sure it has.
Because if you are town and you refuse to vote PN, scum have no need to lynch PN today.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Just stop doing that. It is helping no one. It is just driving me up the wall.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Can we please lynch Bert already, Singer.
Unless you think it is us/Arthur which makes literally no sense.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3524, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Okay w/e it's feu/pn
I am happy the game is solved from my PoV
I can now sleep soundly.
But Singer couldn't have hammered because Feu unvoted yet again.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3527, singersigner wrote:Omfgthis is retarded. If I was scum do you think I would bother leaving the thread and coming back later after a missed opportunity?
But you are not being helpful at all.
Like I ISO'd Bert and figured out he was scum and voted him.
And the grand total of your contribution has been stalling around.
Either figure out why me/Arthur make sense as a scumteam or just hammer Bert. And Arthur and I don't make any fucking sense if you read this game at all.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Arthur isn't confirmed town to me but he's the only one that doesn't make me want to kick a chair. Bert is conf-scum to me because neither of you are hammering no matter how long our votes remained there.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Singer is probably town. Oh, well.
I'm not 100% since everyone seems to be unvoting at the drop of a hat so she'd be justified in posting that but I want to say town.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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That just leaves PN/Arthur or PN/Feu.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Okay, you are conftown.
I'm still not sure who is scum with Bert though.
I'm trying to figure out if it is Arthur or PN.
If it is Arthur, then lynching PN is a very likely win as that would leave Arthur, Feu, and us in LYLO and Arthur has to vote Feu since we are conftown to him.
If it is Feu, then Arthur would still vote Feu leaving us as the decider because town-Arthur would know we are town.
If Arthur is actually scum and we lynch Arthur, then that will leave Feu, PN, and us in LYLO. I don't have a lot of confidence town will win that one. IDK.
All I am certain about is that it is one of PN/Arthur or PN/Feu.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3540, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:fun fact: if i self-hammer here, it is a mod-killable offense.
No it is okay. Hey, you can cut off discussion and everything.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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It could be. Possible scumteams:
PN/Arthur
PN/Feu
Arthur/Sugoi
From our POV, it is just the first two.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3549, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I'm sincerely not scared in 3p lylo bc I know you know it's feu.
I'm actually more scared about today pn slipping than about tomorrow.
But then again pn just started trolling like skrew did before they died...
Yeah, well I hope Singer sees the trolling and votes them. Regardless of your affiliation, I still want PN lynched over you. That makes 3P pretty simple with us being the deciding vote and we won't have to put up with anyone voting us.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3550, Feu et Vol wrote:In post 3545, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:So guys remember when ns died after the mason was outed in the feu neighborhood.
You guys remember when it happened the night after MS told us we were right?
Hi Marquis/Beast.
Did you see your strong townread trolling?Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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I mean, they just gave up so I don't know why it isn't obvious at this point.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Here's something to work with:These aren't the posts of town just put at L-1 in 5P LYLO.
In post 3540, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:fun fact: if i self-hammer here, it is a mod-killable offense.
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Also, could anyone actually look at fucking sitechat to see how much Bert is posting there?
Bert is uncomfortable as scum and he would absolutely lurk out the game as scum. Most of his posts don't come across as genuine scumhunting at all. There were some early posts that I thought were genuine but they were too few and far between. Since D2, all he has done is lurk and coast through the game.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Okay, first off let's lay out all the possible scumteams. You (Singer) are conftown, we can only be scum with Arthur or else we would have hammered him, and Feu can only be scum with PN or else they would have hammered him. That also leaves Arthur/PN as possible scum that are cross bussing. So overall, three possibilities:
1) PN/Arthur
2) Feu/PN
3) Sugoku/Arthur
PN is confscum to me since I have my vote on him and there's been no hammer. I'm not sure whether his buddy is Arthur or Feu. Regardless, I do want to lynch him first for strategic reasons as well as for being confscum.
The first vote I cast is LYLO was on you which I immediately unvoted. My initial thoughts was that you were just coasting through the game as well as the LYLO without really pushing to see who is scum and you've only started doing that now after you've been confirmed. It was partly gut as well and partly the fact that Pie and I had the team narrowed down to {Singer, Arthur}. Clearly, we were wrong but at that time, I anticipated visiting my family today (which got delayed so I have time). I didn't really have time to read the entire game again and made what I thought was the best decision. You were uninvested in the game and hadn't read ~100 pages so I didn't feel overly worried about losing the game although I did believe that you were most likely scum at that point. Had this not been a quickness game/had it gone on longer/or if I was dealing with someone emotionally invested in the game, I'd have exercised more caution. But I immediately took it back because it didn't feel right.
The next vote I cast was on Arthur which I took back because I didn't want to screw up without talking to Pieguy first. Arthur's posts felt manipulative to me and it felt like he was trying to make me feel like I had to read him correctly when I don't have an awesome track record at all. I'm still not sure he is town but he is the one player I feel has been making sense this game and playing well whereas Feu's posts have just been frustrating lately as well as the things that they've been passing off for scumhunting.
The final vote, the one I made with no intention or retracting was on PN. I was pretty sure Bert was scum based on how he disengaged from the game. When PN showed up and didn't vote Arthur even though from their POV, Arthur should be confirmed scum, it set off alarm bells. I re-read Bert's ISO to see why I had an initial townread on him D1 and realized that it was pretty weak.
From D2 on, Bert has barely done anything at all that was a genuine effort to figure out the game. Just ISO him to see what I mean. He doesn't have any reads that he is developing. He isn't questioning players and overall has a complete lack of interest in solving the game. This is compounded by the fact that Bert is posting in other games abundantly. He is also posting up a storm in site chat. I've played with Bert before and he is one of those players that prefers playing town to scum and tends to disengage from the game as scum. He's been plenty disengaged the entire later part of the game. One of the reasons I haven't gone after him earlier was that Mollie hydras with Bert and was so sure that he was town earlier in the game and I wanted to give him that space. As the game went on though, it became increasingly obvious to me that this is Bert's scumgame.
The final nail was how he reacted to suspicion from me both earlier and today. When Bert gets voted, he gets overly paranoid. This is especially true when I suspect Bert and Bert thinks I am at least pretty decent at this game. His response was muted. I felt some of it was genuine but wasn't sure. Today though, when PN started posting, their posts were the most empty ones in the game. This includes the two posts I quoted above where SXTLHGaiden just trolls about self-hammering. There is zero effort to push the lynches of either us or Arthur both of whom should be confscum to him. He plopped down a vote on Arthur and that was the extent of his contribution. Both heads have checked out and for Bert, being as disengaged as he is, points to him being scum.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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I don't know what to feel about the neighborizers. The setup spec hasn't really got me anywhere. All I know for sure is that it is PN and one of Arthur/Feu.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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They basically scumclaimed two days ago so can we please move on?Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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I'm just annoyed as heck at Singer right now. You've got to be seriously kidding me. I mean, PN might as well have said "I'm scum, you caught us, gg town." I have no idea what you are waiting for or what you think stalling yet another day is going to do. And they did this two days ago on the evening of June 9th. You checked out and decided to head off then, then you showed up the next day and did basically nothing, and now you showed up this morning, asked a couple more irrelevant questions and now checked out again. Also, the mod is usually only on sometime during the day so if you show up tonight and hammer PN (I am being optimistic here, I wouldn't put it past you to wait for deadline actually), Zach is only going to announce it the next morning, and then we have yet another day before we move onto 3P LYLO. Ffs, please hammer PN.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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In post 3574, singersigner wrote:Now you just sound like you're scum pressuring me into making the wrong decision.
You are exasperating me. You are wearing me out. You are driving up the fucking wall. Like, what the heck do you want them to do? Ask you to vote them?
I'm town and I'm tired and sick that you are not seeing the obvious here and are holding up the game.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Also, if you equate impatience with scum and Bert's "don't want to pressure you" with town, then your scumhunting methodology is seriously flawed.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Sugoku Sugoi Goon
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Oh my god, Singer, open your eyes and see the obvscum here. Like everyone else in this game cast their votes two days ago and I have no idea why you are still dicking around when there is confirmed scum in PN.Hydra of F-16_Fighting_Falcon and pieguyn-
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Sugoku Sugoi Goon
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