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^ScumIn post 65, beastcharizard wrote:
VOTE: Nero CainIn post 33, Nero Cain wrote:I know you are scum iece but help me pl Abomination. You'll be furthering your wincon!
Scum wincon is taking out town.
Okay. Why?
Can you explain? Because I saw the opposite.In post 74, Always wrote:
Town.In post 65, beastcharizard wrote:
VOTE: Nero CainIn post 33, Nero Cain wrote:I know you are scum iece but help me pl Abomination. You'll be furthering your wincon!
Scum wincon is taking out town.
Just...town.
Vote Shos
Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.
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You do know that Mhork is not in that hydra, right?In post 144, Katsuki wrote:Also in case the message was missed by anyone, the above demonstrates the obnoxiousness of a 10+ hydra.
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I'm really not catching your meaning. What about those 14 posts show how that hydra is obnoxious? Is it just for its existing?In post 148, Katsuki wrote:
I should've been clearer, I meant the above 14 posts.In post 147, BulbaFenix wrote:
You do know that Mhork is not in that hydra, right?In post 144, Katsuki wrote:Also in case the message was missed by anyone, the above demonstrates the obnoxiousness of a 10+ hydra.
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This for ANY hydra in this game please (I will very, VERY rarely forget to do it, but I'll at least come back to do it).In post 409, T S O wrote:can you please sign your posts? I assume that was ffery, but it makes it easier for me.
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Shos had only made 2 posts when I gave that read. In his first post, he flavor claimed, which I thought felt off. It felt as if he was cheaply reaching for towncred. Then in his second post, he talked about how the theme wouldn't help differentiate between alignments and roles. Again, it felt forced, as if he was trying to look like helpful town without putting much effort forth. Since then, and up to the point I've read, he's essentially just promised future content and tried to urge more votes on the Abomination wagon. It's mainly a gut ping from his posts that tells me that something is not right and the thought process is not genuine. As for Venmar, it's a gutread and probably my least developed read so far.In post 168, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:
We agree that shos is scum, but why do you think that? And why venmar?In post 126, BulbaFenix wrote:...
Vote Shos
Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.
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Either they're scum setting up a future claim, or they just really love the theme (See me in Defense of Hyrule.).In post 197, T S O wrote:Why are we all softclaiming and roleclaiming again?
Okay. Why?In post 223, Always wrote: Clyton's town, 100%.
Okay, look, I know that this being all aloof with your reads early on is your thing, but I'd at least like reasons why you're so sure that my early scumreads are so wrong.In post 226, Always wrote:
Okay, so you're basically O for 4, here.In post 126, BulbaFenix wrote:Vote Shos
Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.
Reasons?In post 226, Always wrote: Venmar is town.
Again, reasons, and it better have nothing to do with them claiming miller.In post 226, Always wrote: MDT's basically conftown.
Show me the townslip, because I don't think it's there.In post 226, Always wrote: Beast townslipped hard in the very post you're saying makes him scum.
I thought you said that I was wrong on all 4 of my early scumreads? How then could Shos be scum according to you? And how is he a boring wagon? He happens to be the strongest of my scumreads, and I actually think he's a very good wagon. You also seem to hard defend him a lot. Why is that?In post 226, Always wrote: Shos could be scum but is a boring wagon to be frank.
Aside from AD being conf. town (I don't think he is, but whatever.), you essentially just said what I said.
It's pretty good for a first impression run down, and it's more there for a reminder when I have time to fully dive in the game and do the VC work.In post 226, Always wrote: The Abomination wagon having scum in it is obvious, and a boring opinion to have.
You're kidding, right?In post 234, T S O wrote:The truth is, he's a really nice guy, and really nice guys usually aren't scum.
In fact, they'reneverscum.
Any opinions on the game? Or was this just a glorified prod dodge?In post 257, Rhaego wrote:Stop fighting. Now.
I need to finish some things up elsewhere, but I'll finish catching up before I go to bed. I also need to talk some things over with Fenix. I'll be starting on page 12 when I get back.
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If that was the case, Fenix and I would be the first ones to go (see sig).In post 287, Lord Mhork wrote: Faulty logic is faulty. Let's be real: all hydra's have dissonance. By that logic, all y'all should be voted out.
Good question. You get townpoints.In post 300, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:On a serious note, where's your vote?
You really find a PL better than someone you think is scum?
You never answered the question. In fact, you kinda danced around it.In post 304, Young and Beautiful wrote:
I've never actually seen a real PL materialize before. If Abomination wagon actually goes though, I would be pleasantly surprised.In post 300, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:On a serious note, where's your vote?
You really find a PL better than someone you think is scum?
shos can probably get lynched tomorrow or vigged. Or killed by another scumteam, considering that you claimed it was multiball.
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Too much effort went into justifying this vote.
In post 330, Venmar wrote:Have you just been avoiding addressing me to make that kind of post? Your silence pushed me to making that vote, and that response to it was horrid above all.
You can be town.In post 335, Abomination wrote:In post 90, shos wrote:tomorrow,
I love yaIn post 200, shos wrote:tomorrow
You're alwaysIn post 333, shos wrote: tomorrow
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Away
Molla is town as well.In post 339, BBmolla wrote:
Holy fuck thisIn post 149, Katsuki wrote:
Read the first 2 pages of MoCo.In post 146, Klick wrote:
Does that change the fact that having a two-page D1 results in less information? We just disagree on a fundamental level about whether or not a quicklynch would help us ever.In post 141, Katsuki wrote:In post 140, Klick wrote:
Please inform me about the error of my ways, that I may see the light.In post 133, Katsuki wrote:Those nero votes (someone + klick) on pg2 were p bad
PEdit: If we dedicate the entirety of D1 to having everyone take out Abomination, even if he flips scum, we're not going to have enough information to make good decisions later in the game. Here's a prime example of why what you're proposing is a bad idea:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=21433
And no it's impossible for it to be a bad idea. Plus, you're linking a mini where the dynamics are entirely different from a large.Equinox wrote:Page 2 hammer in a large theme of 25 = epic winnage. (VI SHOULD KNOW.)
Also, considering the current meta and that this is a 28-player game, I'm highly skeptical that you guys will get any useful information out of this day anyways. Tales uPick is a prime example, where the playerbase posted 200 pages of fluff over the first two game days. If you guys are going to follow the town of that game on that path sure go ahead, I'll just prod-dodge every 3rd day for the next two months.
Fuck 90% of these posts
Additional townreads on Egg and Sven.
This is so fake.
I'm thinking the interaction between Beast and Venmar was scum theatre. That did not look like a genuine back and forth at all.
^Scum
What dichotomies, and why don't they make sense?In post 379, Iecerint wrote: Bulbathing's post has dichotomies that don't make sense to me.
Speaking of dichotomies that don't make sense...In post 380, Iecerint wrote:Dan is town unless Katsuki is scum.
On to page 17.
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Um. What?In post 417, Iecerint wrote:I don't have any read on Clyton at all, really, but I figure he's probably town if that many people are so sure of it.
Okay. I'll accept that for now.In post 418, Always wrote:
'Cause I said so. That's why.
Reasons?In post 226, Always wrote:Venmar is town.
Having caught up, I'm definitely seeing some town in MDT, Mhork, and Abom. I'm still not sold on Beast or Venmar, although I'll take your word on the latter. Dan I'm waiting to see how it develops.In post 418, Always wrote:
Venmar's 100% town. Dan's play is a solid 90-95% town. MDT's play is also in that range, a good 85-95% themselves. (It's not just their claims, it's what they've done aside from those and who the players are making them.) And beast had what was most definitely a hardcore townslip. Mhork's looking town, too.
Okay, look, I know that this being all aloof with your reads early on is your thing, but I'd at least like reasons why you're so sure that my early scumreads are so wrong.In post 226, Always wrote:
Okay, so you're basically O for 4, here.In post 126, BulbaFenix wrote:Vote Shos
Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.
I'm seeing the opposite, actually. I feel the Shos wagon is a very good one. You are dismissing a lot of wagons and reads as boring, which is a new tactic for you, which seems to avoid your more logical take. I understand how you begin the game with wild gut reads and the like, but usually by now you are moving into more developed reads where you are able to explain them. So why aren't you explaining as much and relying on gut reasoning?In post 418, Always wrote: Slow down. shos at the time was a stronger townread than he is. Currently, he has the potential to be scum...but I feel he isn't scum. The wagon feels boring, uninteresting, and frankly, just as likely if not moreso to have scum driving it than the Abomination wagon did. He's mainly being townread on the circumstances surrounding the wagon rather than on his own merits as a player, in which I am solidly meh on.
That still doesn't mean that it's not filler.In post 418, Always wrote:
You do realize Rhageo was essentially saying "you're both town", right? It'd take a blind man to miss that.
Any opinions on the game?In post 257, Rhaego wrote:Stop fighting. Now.
Shos is who I mainly want to lynch, although I could go for Katsuki. I'm not interested in any of the others on the list.In post 423, Nero Cain wrote:3. shos
6. Katsuki
7. Sakura Hana
16. Majiffy
20. Clyton
21. Abomination (Who, Axxle, Haylen, MTD, T-Bone, ika, & BipolarChemist)
26. xofelf
28. Klick
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so who wants to help me kill who?
How much have you been reading, because the reasoning for AD/Mhork should have been apparent at the point where I made this list on page 7, as it was surrounding AD's claim that the game was multiball and Mhork's subsequent reaction. And it wasn't a dichotomy as much as I thought one of them was likely scum, and it could have been either one or both. It wasn't either/or.In post 448, Iecerint wrote:
Hi Bulba, this is what I was referring to ^In post 126, BulbaFenix wrote:Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.
-Bulba
When I read this i was like wtf where does this AD/Mhork foolishness come from. Sounds made-up.
@Katsuki: Are you ever going to explain why the Abomination hydra is anti-town?
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As I've stated multiple times, your posts look like you're trying too hard to appear playful and natural. They don't read as genuine at all. Add into that the fact that you keep promising content but don't produce it, and I'm thinking lurking scum.In post 458, shos wrote: Bulba. Enlighten me. Why is my wagon so fancy?
It depends on how it is told.In post 461, Nero Cain wrote: I don't think that telling a joke is a good indication of alignment.
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Well, then you're in hot soup at this point. If your claim is legitimate, you die by nightkill. Otherwise, hang by noose.In post 468, shos wrote:I don't get it.
If I am lynched for 'claiming sesshumaru' I am gonna lol at you all with .y finger pointed at your nose
You will never lynch me if I claim. Lets halt at that. So if you guys are willing to, grab some more votes and Ill xlaim so we dont waste time
I recommend more strategic play in your future games; town or scum whatever you are. I hope you don't enjoy usually being a Day 1 lynch in games?
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In post 515, T S O wrote: Logic/sound judgements are a hallmark of town-TSO! You have my word!
Buddying?In post 527, shos wrote:VOTE: young and beautiful
This Always guy(alt or hydra? Mastin?) is the only one that makes sense here.
How has Rhageo been scumhunting, let alone subtly? How is repeatedly asking different people "Are you scum?" scumhunting? This sounds like some pretty solid BS to me.In post 530, Always wrote:
There is no lack of scumhunting. If you see a lack of scumhunting in Rhageo, you're an idiot, alignment-regardless. Because his alignment regardless, Rhageo has been scumhunting quite blatantly in his posts, just subtly. To answer, I haven't been able to lock down one way or the other whether it's town or not, but with the slightest of leans towards town. Basically, I feel that going for subtle-scumhunting has very little payoff for scum in comparison to more obvious tactics. Shallow play, deeper play. Rhageo's closer to the latter. Which has more reward as town than as scum.Is his lack of scumhunting town to you?
Also, your arrogance has started showing. You should probably look into that.
This is a pretty solid misrep.In post 539, shos wrote:I'd say bulba because he repeatedly called me scum forreasonsI think, and...stuff.
Seriously, Mastin, I want to know how you think this is scumhunting.
I think Y&B comes out the worst in their conversation with Geists.
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I'm tired, but I figured I should start working on the catchup.
Seeing as how there is enough for me to start developing reads, this is false.
In post 617, Always wrote:
I really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wanted to draw scum-that-could-outplay-zMuffinman/AP this game. You got total revenge on me, so I really wanted to pay you back by not only winning as scum, but having done so by FOOLING you, and manipulating things so that I'd have an even better win than yours. (Sadly, since I didn't, the details of my plan will have to wait for some other time.)
But neither of them were playing in this game at the time. So how could you want to draw scum to outplay them if they weren't playing?
In post 690, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:Nat, can your hydra and my hydra fuse ala voltron into an awesome, scumfighting machine?
I'll let you be the head.
I think I need to remind myself why I was townreading you.
In post 710, Young and Beautiful wrote:In post 703, Nero Cain wrote:'cause its a 28 player game so there's going to be a butt load of scum and there's no traction for lynching abomination but just LOOK at Shos and he's really doing nothing. Why do you have a town read on him?
I strongly agree with this. We can only lynch once a day.
Leave the scum-killing to the vigs. There's bound to be some; in 28p.
Or scum cross-killing is great too.
Spoiler: Don't you mean?
In post 741, Young and Beautiful wrote:Twenty-eight players and multiple hydrae of varying sizes make for quite a large game!
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Your point is?
In post 793, Svenskt Stål wrote:
Everyone voting shos,
The "sesshumaru fishing" case is bad.
I can follow his train of thought and his increased frustration in this matter, I would say, based on this alone, that he is more likely to be town.
If there is another case against him speak now or forever hold your peace.
My read on Shos had to do with the fact that he seemed to be trying too hard to look town, i.e. his posts read as fake.
Going to bed. On to page 33.
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In post 1563, T S O wrote:SURELY SOMEONE SEES THAT IT FEELS LIKE I'M THE ONLY SANE PERSON IN THIS THREAD SOMETIMES
It's ok... It's ok... Sanity is never really needed anymore anyway.
T S O wrote:I have a huge, huge, huge post of mastin posts I feel are bad and my responses but I'm not sure if I'll post it because:
a) it's so long no-one will read it
b) everyone's townreading her anyway
c) she'll just quotestripe it back and I'd shoot myself around then
For this, fire it up. I'd like to read it
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In post 1607, Majiffy wrote:In post 1605, geists wrote:
LOOK AT THIS
THIS IS WHAT SCUM IS MADE OF
ALL THE INTENT
No one can just 'skim' a thread.
Also, 'beast' of a thread clearly is softclaiming Inyuyasha.
Is this the real life?
Is it just fantasy?
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In post 1610, Majiffy wrote:In post 1609, BulbaFenix wrote:In post 1607, Majiffy wrote:In post 1605, geists wrote:
LOOK AT THIS
THIS IS WHAT SCUM IS MADE OF
ALL THE INTENT
No one can just 'skim' a thread.
Also, 'beast' of a thread clearly is softclaiming Inyuyasha.
Is this the real life?
Is it just fantasy?
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In post 1693, Mist7676 wrote:Can I just float to Day 2? Please? I have like no content other than, I'm ok with Y&B Lynch
Vote: Young And Beautiful
Gonna remember this going into day 2....
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I need to stop ignoring this game. At this point, I'm half tempted to just Kuribo this crap and catch up during the night, but Fenix wants to sort this out too, and he's unwilling to go further until I'm fully caught up and we can finally put our heads together. I'll try to do it before deadline, but at this rate, I think it's more likely that we'll lynch Shos-scum and then sync during the night phase.
In post 802, Svenskt Stål wrote:In post 545, beastcharizard wrote:I just ignored you since yor posts are nothing but votes asking if the person is scum.
VOTE: rhaego
Are you scum?
In post 801, beastcharizard wrote:Can we get some more votes on rhaego please?They are super scummy.
This is your two latest posts, what happened between them?
You're kidding, right?
Maybe it's the mind fog talking from trying to catch up at 3 in the morning, but I didn't get a good sense one way or the other. What makes you think it's TvT?
In post 828, Birds of Prey wrote:We can rectify Y and B's noise to content ratio by voting them.While I know the odds that one of the major wagons is scum, I don't care for the major staticness of most of the posters. No one's adovacting for the wagons. It's just labels, buzzwords and filler.
Meanwhile, players like Y and B coast.
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I really don't like the bolded.
In post 829, Svenskt Stål wrote:Beastcharizardwould make an excellent wagon.
1. He votesshoswith "are you scum"?
2. in his very next post heclaims that they are super scummy.
This cannot be sincere town play.
2 things wrong with this. 1.) His replacement of Rhaego with Shos. I don't think this is accidental, making this a misrep. 2.) He's ignoring the context of both of Beast's posts. Beast voting Rhaego and saying "Are you scummy?" is a retort, since that is exactly what Rhaego was doing. Furthermore, there is no disconnect in that next post, as his views on Rhaego were quite clearly explained with the vote and mimicing of Rhaego's posts. This just shows that Sven is not scumhunting, but looking for things to paint as scummy.
Beast has now been upgraded to a townread, and Sven is now a scumread.
In post 838, ProHawk wrote:I have scum-readsish on Dan, AngryIece, and Shos.
Explain Dan.
In post 845, HighShroomish wrote:And can someone other than Majiffy please explain why they are on the shos wagon.
Really? I thought you had just read.
I don't think that's the reason anyone is scumreading Rhaego.
In post 859, shos wrote:
honestly, I caught up with this game and this fact had absolutely no impact on my reads. all I saw was a bunch of people acting like RVS for hundreds of posts, when only a few actually got into my memory. HOW ON EARTH did you get that readlist? I don't expect you to go over them one by one but give me 1, 2 maybe. I also noticed I wasn't even existing there. not even in the 'dunno what to do with--' list. explain.?
For someone who claims to be caught up, this insistence that there is no scumhunting going on and no information in the thread is disturbing.
In post 859, shos wrote:
Wellllll I'm obvtown in all other games and stuff. This game I just can't get. it's huge, the amount of posters is huge, and it *really* looks like no content is being generated. the game is piling up on me, rheago(understandable both - TOO LITTLE content from both) but the thing is that you expect some info to come out of this, some reaction, and we just don't care because you need FIFTEEN VOTES to lyncha nyone, and we know that there isn't any substance. I mean at least I do, and rheagu doesn't seem to respond either, so I assume that there as well.
Again, there's this insistence that there is no information in the thread, which is patently false. For the large catchup post you were promising, it was pretty underwhelming, as you added nothing to the conversation, except to say that there was no information to be found.
Nope. I think that alone is enough to lynch you.
In post 893, shos wrote:I was, but there is no reason to claim the role so quickly, when the name will suffice.
in a game called 'INUYASHA MAFIA' I doubt inuyasha won't be a character, lol. so this being a fakeclaim is quite absurd, imo.
the assumption that inuyasha=town by default was made by me.
Not this argument again...
In post 893, shos wrote:
I never softclaimed PR. and I have no knowledge of that gameIn post 883, Nero Cain wrote:yea, YOU softclaimed you were a pr + last I'm relatively certain that in FE:A the main character was a pr...and well I can't think of a themed game with the main character as a vt...
Really? Because I mentioned it several times in LotR.
In post 932, shos wrote:
that's reallt far fetching imo.In post 919, beastcharizard wrote:Aren't there multiple versions of Inuyasha? I am pretty sure he was evil at one point.
So it's true. That's nice to know.
In post 937, Majiffy wrote:In post 934, shos wrote:
Also from examining my role pm i can infer that theotherscumteam is undead.
Majiffy saw the same thing I did. He's definitely town.
In post 938, shos wrote:
And re: other scumteam: someone said that one scumteam is Naraku & assistants or something. So the othrt is undead.
Bull crap. You said, "From examining my role pm I can infer that the other scumteam is undead.", not, "From someone claiming one scumteam is made up of Naraku & assistants, I can infer that the other scumteam is undead.". Role PM does not equal what someone else said.
In post 951, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:AD, does your multiball knowledge tell you anything about the size/flavor of the teams, or whether one of the scumgroups is an SK?
If it did, we'd lynch him on the spot.
In post 968, Birds of Prey wrote:In post 966, Egg wrote:In post 950, beastcharizard wrote:In post 835, beastcharizard wrote:Rhaego is scummy because they are doing nothing at all that is helpful to the town. Their posts are just dumb questions with zero content what so ever. Their claim of scum hunting is not actually that. It feels like they are going more for making noise than anything else.
This is why I think Rhaego is scum.
Why is Rhaego the worst offender of this?
If Rhaego is scum, so is Egg for this post. It subtly says only the worst offender at a particular transgression can be scum and searches for another player to make worse than Rhaego.
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This is a scum post attempting to connect a Rhaego scum flip to Egg.
I'll continue this after I wake up and take care of a few more pressing issues. I'd rather not do any more of these when I'm this tired.
On to page 40.
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In post 3010, Mist7676 wrote:Damn, Rheago's slot is gone, someone's got to make awkward questions!
ActionDan, are you Demon?
Mist, are you a jester?
In post 3013, shos wrote:
why? this is precisely the ratio in 12p mostly, or 13p with 1 third party. also can be 20/1/7 or something like that.In post 3000, Nero Cain wrote:even if b07 if the big scumteam an 21/7 setup seems wrong.
Quoting this to reference later.
I agree with Nero. I doubt it's that black and white, and Cephrir is not that bad of a mod nor Cabd that bad of a designer.
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@Elf: How specific and clear was the mod when he layed out your abilities? Was it simple to understand or confusing? Please note that I don't want you to get into specifics. I just want to know if you got confused whatsoever about what you could do in a role with many abilities.
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In post 3018, shos wrote:@bulba - that is not necessarily a bad mod, ya know. take an example from my game LotR - good chars were good, bad were bad. as long as there are enough roles for fakeclaims - it just forces scum to think. which is better, I like that as a mod and as scum
Then your theme games are broken. Experience tells me that Ceph's games will not be.
In post 3021, Nero Cain wrote:so anyways...the reason why I suggested doing a limited mass claim is 'cause well my role pm says "you count as a human". I think its sort of silly to tell me that I'm a human and then tell me that I count as a human, its kinda like duh. So it makes me think there's some purpose its there, like this game has maybe specific race counts or something...idk. Or it could just mean nothing and I'm reading in to much. Discuss.
I'm thinking a team of undead and a team of demons if multiball or a mix if single. There would likely be an investigative role for each type and undead and demons spread throughout the town to give false positives.
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I know which one of those were fake claims. I was in the game. It was one of the worst games I've ever played. Mastin was in the game as well. Oh, and btw, I talked endlessly about flavor gaming using FE:A as an example, which is funny, since you claimed in this game that you had never heard of FE:A before, when I had explicitly brought up the FE:A fakeclaim example multiple times both in the LotR game thread and Dead QT.
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Paranoia reasons + #1120. It looks like inside information in the same vein as Lemni. They were also one of the ones pushing hard the idea of a 4 person masonry. I don't find the two coincidental.
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Nero, the fakeclaims were Legolas, Gimli, and Galadriel. There were also some other fakeclaims that didn't make sense with the rest of the game design, like Tom Bombadil and Sauron. The three we chose were the only possible ones to choose.
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In post 3054, xofelf wrote:@Bulba, yeah some of the actions are a bit confusing. But others are straightforward. All fit the flavour really well though.
Okay. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
In post 3057, Mist7676 wrote:Someone keep track, because I'm too lazy.
Are you planning on doing something useful?
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In post 3064, HighShroomish wrote:Fuck it. Always has too many damn posts for me to do anything in a span if an hour.
VOTE: Always
2724 makes me really want them to claim or some shit like that.
^Scum.
In post 3077, Egg wrote:
Preview edit: lemni included him while villainizing those who were "unfairly" attacking.
Except BoP were doing everything in their power to dismantle the Lemni lynch and push it off. They also had other suspicious interactions with that slot, like trying to link you two together earlier in the day, when Rheago was the one driving. As for your breakdown, it's no wonder you got skewed results. Your analysis was very surface in trying to establish associations. I'd actually recommend you go back and look at the interactions around the time of Lemni's fake claim. There's a lot of random speculation there that doesn't make sense.
Did you ever have credibility?
In post 3111, Birds of Prey wrote:
You and I both know moonlogic doesn't come from scum Titus.
You also didn't pick me, which I find odd for that and scumreading me. Common sense says to pick your biggest detractor (scumread) and do that, unless you saw my crumbs. If you did though, then your scumread makes no sense of me as I told you not to give your notice to me.
Why would I help you confirm yourself as scum?
Y and B is lying about being a friendly neighbor or there is a roleblocker/redirector. All other possibilites are excluded.
Why would a friendly neighbor pick their biggest detractor to send a result to and not their biggest townread?
In post 3126, Birds of Prey wrote:My comments haven't been about Xof. I've been ignoring that for the time behing.
My points are solely about the Y and B claim.
That being said, I am suspicious of a commuter here but not totally ruling it out.
Why have you been ignoring Elf? And why have you been focusing so hard on the Y&B claim? That's something that's relatively minor given recent events. If they're scum, it'll become evident in a day or so. Focusing exclusively on it now looks like a way to make it look like you're being useful, when you're really not.
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In post 3175, Birds of Prey wrote:Shroomish ain't town. Look at reactions.
I wagon Y and B while townreading Shroomish. No retalitory wagon.
I defend Lemni based on NY 169.
Day 2 starts...no wagon on me.
I call Shroomish scummy.
Wagon appears. Shroomish ain't town.
Unless you're a cop who got a guilty or cleared me, you don't need to worry.
So do you think that most of the votes on you are scum?
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In post 3215, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:In post 2981, shos wrote:...
also my role is FUCKING COOL. awesome being the main char B) ...it's not that good for town I think, at least not yet possibly, but it's cool as hell
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Is there any way to elaborate on this [without being anti-town]? Is it reasonable to tell us who you targeted?
I'm a little weirded by the possibility that if there's a doctor in the game, we could all just target shos tonight and he'd wake up tomorrow with a long list of innocents (or non-Bo7ers, at least). Even if there's no doctor or there's a strongman, the delayed flips suggest to me that there's a pre-flip reviver, which would make the breaking strategy unstoppable.
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Why?? Pointless votes on those 2 right now.
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In post 3255, Squirrel Girl wrote:
In post 3159, BulbaFenix wrote:Why would a friendly neighbor pick their biggest detractor to send a result to and not their biggest townread?
I don't see how that's a bad question, but I'm just chalking that up to different approaches in regards to roles.
In post 3281, BBmolla wrote:I don't even think we're gonna need to scumhunt this game, the setup seems to be winning it for us
Did you roll scum this game?
In post 3283, Venmar wrote:Someone summarize to me as if i'm 5 why we seem to be lynching BoP
They didn't want to lynch Lemni, and they were trying to tie other players to that slot.
In post 3302, Egg wrote:So no one thinks Kat is scum? =/
Maybe. I have bigger fish to fry atm.
In post 3309, Birds of Prey wrote:To rile shit up.
I am Hakudoshi, Town Demon Ascetic. Hence the pretty crumbs and the multiple mentions of untargetable by Y and B.
Y and B failing elsewhere makes it more likely they are scum. So I had to crumb to be protown.
Unfortunately I am probably dead now.
I don't doubt that you're ascetic. I just don't think you're town.
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In post 3344, ActionDan wrote:(the biggest fish to fry is Xofelf)
I'm beginning to doubt Elf is scum, so no.
What shift? I've been scumreading you since d1, when your slot started making posts that gut pinged me.
In post 3379, Egg wrote:It wasn't undead. Or is the theory not that all scum are undead?
Again, I doubt it's that simple.
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In post 3386, Lord Mhork wrote:We only have one scum flipped. Isn't it early to try guessing team composition?
No?
In post 3387, Nero Cain wrote:In post 3384, BulbaFenix wrote:I'm beginning to doubt Elf is scum, so no.
What do you think of molla saying that he doubts his and elfs role don't exist together?
Without knowing Molla's role, there's not much I can say. Suffice it to say that Hexmage is a very Cephrir-like role, so I don't think Elf is lying about it.
In post 3388, Birds of Prey wrote:In post 3178, BulbaFenix wrote:In post 3175, Birds of Prey wrote:Shroomish ain't town. Look at reactions.
I wagon Y and B while townreading Shroomish. No retalitory wagon.
I defend Lemni based on NY 169.
Day 2 starts...no wagon on me.
I call Shroomish scummy.
Wagon appears. Shroomish ain't town.
Unless you're a cop who got a guilty or cleared me, you don't need to worry.
So do you think that most of the votes on you are scum?
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These two suggest you think I'm town and there's a real possibility I'm right.
Not at all. In the first you are suggesting that the wagon on you is scumdriven. If that is the case, it is a natural question to then ask which votes on you are scum. And seeing as how the wagon wasn't very big (4 people I think), that declaration about the wagon building up quickly must mean you think most of the people on you (2-3) are scum. I'm not sure how that second quote means that I think you're town, as it was a statement about Y&B in reference to Nacho in Event Card Mafia.
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In post 3401, Squirrel Girl wrote:
In post 3327, BulbaFenix wrote:Why?? Pointless votes on those 2 right now.
My Nero case was made yesterday.
My Majiffy case is more gut and is basically based on how he's sidelining himself this game.
What do you dislike about my cases and/or why do you town read either of them?
I'm mainly asking why on the voting of 2 people who, from what I can tell, aren't even going to be considered options for lynching today. Don't get me wrong, I like the Nero case and have a gut read on him. Plus, I know that things can change on a dime. Just thought I would at least try and get clarification for certainty.
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In post 3401, Squirrel Girl wrote:
What do you dislike about my cases and/or why do you town read either of them?
Majiffy is town because this is not only his town play, but he's also right on the ball with his Shos read. I get where he's coming from, and that's pretty darn town.
In post 3410, Kagami wrote:Actually, BoP's claim makes it almost certainly 20-7-1.
Why?
In post 3418, Majiffy wrote:In post 3416, ActionDan wrote:point of order. If you want to go with the SK option the size is 21-6-1.
Ok but that still doesnt answer who would be the sk
It should be pretty obvious who the SK is.
In post 3419, Egg wrote:Why are we talking SK with one kill and some people thinking two scum teams?
Because there's definitely multiple kills in a 28p game. It also decreases the likelihood of a single scum team.
In post 3440, geists wrote:
Mhork didn't exactly defend the hell out of lemni but there was this one point where he talked me out of the xof wagon and then voted Shos that bothered me a little.
So you think Lemni and Elf are connected?
I can't speak for my other head, but for me it's that I have much stronger scum reads, while I'm just paranoid on Nero.
In post 3451, Egg wrote:I kind of wonder if it's possible that xofelf and shos are both scum. But part of me feels like we couldn't have done THAT well on Day 1.
Why not?
No thank you.
In post 3511, ProHawk wrote:People still want BoP dead?
Yes. Why don't you?
In post 3520, Nero Cain wrote:can we just lynch BOP
or Mhork
or SG
or Bulba
or neil
or abomination
or mist
or kat
or jiffy
I don't have town reads on any of those
Yes. Maybe. No. No. No. No. Yes. Maybe. No.
In post 3572, Nero Cain wrote:Me pointing out that SG switched her reads on Abom is pro-town 'cause that's like what town is supposed to do.
Whenever someone starts talking about their actions in terms of what town is supposed to do, I break out my trusty rope.
In post 3605, shos wrote:Yes.
It actually makes sense that one of the puppets is scum. I think the self vanillaizer should not do it. Try to make use of the ability ehen you can - since the existence of other puppets makes you vanillaizing yourself useless. It just removes town power.
How is someone making sure that scum can't use them to perform the NK removing town power?
In post 3622, Majiffy wrote:inb4 Shos is actually Naraku and I rage post-game.
Shos is actually Naraku, and you will rage post-game.
In post 2241, shos wrote:I am Inuyasha, Town Demon Scenter Searching Empathic Vigilante.
Lol @ role name yea indeed
Basically I use tessaiga to duel someone, and I can learn 1s abilities from it, which are probably likely vigging abilities.
Also, each morning I am told if i was targetted at night, and by what. This can be undead, demon, both or none.
Since no one did this yesterday, let's play a game of what's wrong with this claim. First off, that claim name is way too crowded. The only things I believe are "Demon Scenter Searching Empathic", but I will get to that. The second red flag is the fact that Shos has no idea how his abilities work. Now Cephrir abilities may be confusing, but you can generally get a good idea how they work by reading your freaking role PM, where all the abilites are listed in a nice little row. The third red flag is where he thinks the dueling ability is probably like a vig. Are you kidding me? He supposedly has "Vigilante" in his role name, and he doesn't know if he can vig or not?! Please. In reality, I think his actual role name looks something like this:
Given that Cephrir has a history of over powering his SKs (FE:A had a hexmage SK who could produce an additional SK), it makes sense that this SK would get information about what targeted him, while searching out his puppets via target, and if being off, getting information on them. He probably can't kill directly.
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Majiffy, want to join me?
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In post 3636, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:
BoP has claimed an incarnation of naraku, hakudoshi. If that's true, or even if it's a mod-provided fakeclaim, it suggests that the incarnations are town.
I'm not that knowledgeable about flavor. I'm just going off of actions and what makes sense setup-wise.
In post 3637, Majiffy wrote:Not shos today Bulba. The claim is out there and he won't be able to work around it. It will become clear soon enough.
Okay. Tomorrow though.
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Because BoP is a strong scum read, whereas Mhork isn't.
Mhork is under "sort later" due to some of his interactions. There's really nothing that stands out to me other than his hard defending lurkers. As for Elf, I'm giving him some leeway due to his claim. Of the 2, I'd compromise on Mhork. I'd rather lynch one of my strong scum reads, though.
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In post 3733, Squirrel Girl wrote:Because no one has summed up why BoP should be dead.
Associatives with Lemni (they didn't want Lemni dead and tried to connect Egg to Rheago earlier in the day) and logic that doesn't make sense coming from town versions of either head. Also, that claim doesn't clear them, as it is just as likely that they could be scum ascetic.
In post 3743, geists wrote:I'm not going to, but it's really tempting to vote Y&B just to remove some of the noise from the game.
I felt the same way about Mhork.
What? I think I need some explanation here, because it seems to me that you're complaining about a scum wagon being built.
In post 3774, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:
That said, I like BoP's posting today (though was very suspicious yesterday).
What exactly do you like, because their posting has just gotten worse?
In post 3800, geists wrote:In post 3798, Birds of Prey wrote:VOTE: neil
Time to move our vote where it will be useful.
Always, how do you know neil isn't a doublevoter? Solely bc Squirrel Girl is?
This is by far the scummiest post you guys have made.
There have been a lot scummier by them. It's just that no one has been paying attention.
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In post 3845, geists wrote:Bulba, your thoughts on Mist?
Now a full fledged scum read, having devolved from a null/town read at the end of d1.
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In post 3854, Birds of Prey wrote:
@Bulba, Shos and Lemni were counterwagons to each other. To believe shos is scum, suggests multiball or shos is more important to the scumteam than Lemniscate.
This is a 28 player game. I want to hear your reasons for not thinking that this is multiball.
In post 3856, Birds of Prey wrote:In post 3844, BulbaFenix wrote:Venmar and Neil need to stop voting their vanity wagons and vote Shroomish.
-Bulba
Wouldn't ceasing to vote a vanity wagon be scummy? No wait... that only applies to wagons you don't want. I forgot.
That discredit.
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In post 3865, Birds of Prey wrote:In post 3860, Majiffy wrote:In post 3859, Birds of Prey wrote:In post 3858, Majiffy wrote:In post 3853, notscience wrote:"He is later revived by Naraku as a human puppet "
In post 3854, Birds of Prey wrote:@Majiffy Not all Nakaru's puppets are demons. They just typically are.
VOTE: BoP
NS is likely town. I'm going to have to talk to PV about you. It's not like you to get upset with two players largely in sync. This post convinces me you have no interest in either the Neil or the Shroomish wagon at all, which will be valuable late game because the VCs tend to reveal a lot about alignment by Day 4 or 5 of a large theme.
So bring on the mud. I'd love to be alive by then.
You're right, Ihave absolutely no interest in either of those wagons.do
Neil is a dumb wagon and Shroomish is an easy wagon. Both sprung up as alternatives toyourwagon!
Wonder what that means.
No. Neil, who is scum, sprung up as an alternate to my wagon.
Shroomish sprung up as an alternate to both of our wagons.
I tend to be easier to mislynch as town, so scum would want to keep me around, doubly so b/c of being an ascetic, triply so because my wagon countering scum looks bad for everyone on my wagon.
So let me get this straight... Neil popped up as a counterwagon to you, and then Shroomish popped up as an additional counterwagon because scum want to keep you alive, but you're not scum?
In post 3866, Birds of Prey wrote:
There's only one kill, so multiball is not confirmed. It is likely multiball, but I'm not proceeding solely under that assumption until confirmed. PV also thinks multiball.
So if it's likely multiball, why then are you making such a big deal over my assumption that it's multiball? If it's multiball, then everything you just said regarding Shos/Lemni is worthless.
In post 3866, Birds of Prey wrote:
Highlighting a logical disconnect is an appropriate attack on someone. The fact all you can say is "discredit" is pretty decent showing of the hypocrisy. You want someone else to move off a vanity wagon, but criticize us for doing the same damn thing and being honest about it.
Okay, point me to where I said ceasing to vote a vanity wagon was scummy, because I bet you can't find it, or you're going to take something out of context to make the point. I'll wait.
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In post 3869, Birds of Prey wrote:BulbaFenix, yes. Why would scum want to lynch a town ascetic when they can simply kill us whenever they want? That's probably why the Shroomish wagon started in the first place.
Why would scum want to NK someone they could just get lynched? The ascetic claim is a non-issue given how many people still want to lynch you, as well as it being a negative utility role for town. It is not a role that can nab scum via PoE, so I don't see how it's so dangerous that scum would not lynch you and instead prioritize you for a NK.
In post 3869, Birds of Prey wrote:
I make a big deal about any assumption not founded in evidence. You should know this by now. Also, even in multiball looking at wagons and counterwagons are not worthless.
I think the fact that the game is 28p big is a good enough reason to assume multiball, and 1 night worth of information is not reason enough to discount the idea.
You mean this?:
Tell me, where did I criticize you for switching wagons?
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In post 3871, Titus wrote:Bulba, except there is some resistance to lynching me. There's also a counterwagon to me. Why take the risk on someone when they are easy to eliminate or wagon later for "living too long", or leave them available for a vig. The role isn't dangerous, the positions on the votecount would be.
You've essentially just given characteristics of a wagon on scum and are using those as reasons for why your wagon is not one on scum, like the scum team is magically trying to keep you alive. I'm going to go with Occam's Razor here: If a wagon reacts like one on scum, it's probably on scum.
Except that game also had a SK, a n1 vig, and a vig that activated after d4. The point is that there were systems built in place to weed out a large portion of the players to make the game more manageable.
In post 3871, Titus wrote:
I don't mean that post. I mean your post immediately after I switched to Neil. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6071883
You've got the wrong hydra.
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In post 3883, Always wrote:That's actually quite hilarious. In so many ways. Considering PereV and I have barely ever played with scum-me. In fact, I don't believe he has. He has only played with SK-me. So where is this 'I'm great at reading Mala' coming from?
You still won't read my posts. You played with me more than him so frankly you should have more influence in decision making of a read in terms of me. Which you aren't. That utterly amazes me.
So what's YOUR personal read on me? Because I asked you to do one KEY thing and you haven't. (I'm not talking about Shroom)
Hey Mala. Guess what? They're scum!
In post 3884, Birds of Prey wrote:TLDR, PV and I are in a pissing match on your slot. Drag Mastina out and that would help a lot on our read on your slot. One of PV's biggest gripes is that Mastina sucks as scum, and she's not posting. She's on VLA so I'm much more patient since she's absent from our hydra as well, and I'm not scumreading the posts you are making.
Dig and dig and dig and diggity dig...
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If it's anyone out of the 3, it'd be MDT, aka the only one that can vanillaize themselves.
In post 3901, notscience wrote:Does anyone else want a ns wagon
No. Now stop being stupid and vote either Shroomish or BoP.
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In post 3911, ProHawk wrote:Because anyone claiming to be able to "read" someone is a crock of crap.
Hey Prohawk, I can read you. All of your posts say the same thing, words
@Always, thoughts on why MDT might be scum?
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Analysis that is uncharacteristic of your town game, meant to look like you were more helpful than you really were + opportunistic voting patterns
Majiffy's attack on Goat is bad and is the only thing that makes me reconsider my town read on him. BoP's subsequent attack is opportunistic.
In post 4011, BBmolla wrote:Goat is so fucking town it hurts, BoP's attack is terrible
You should help us lynch them tomorrow.
In post 4031, The Goat wrote:
A better question...does anyone have anything 100% more compelling than my gut?
Yes, but we can go over that later.
In post 4060, Squirrel Girl wrote:
Nero Cain remains a good wagon that no one will even talk about with me.
Maybe later.
In post 4089, Oversoul wrote:
In post 1623, HighShroomish wrote:Whoa whoa whoa hold the fucking phone.
Hey. TSO. Over here.
Shut the fuck up over Mastin right now. Just shut up. Please. Be productive. You're being more annoying than Majiffy with the death tunnel.
Nati, I don't believe we've met. I'm HS. Genius millionaire playboy philanthropist. I've used my knowledge of English semantics and over all common sense to come to the conclusion that Y&B is either trying to soft claim Lover with someone or is just being stupid scum. The second is more likely because I flipped a coin and knew which one I really thought it was while it was in the air.
Vote Y&B so I don't have to make a post-by-post ISO case on her please. I hate having to do those on phones.
The whole thing with shos+xof voting Y&B to even it out means one of three things- scum just decided to sheep the weakest player to take pressure off, scum just wanted to take pressure off and move it, or they are town who think that scum is scum. Option three seems most optimal.
P-Edit: guys, it would be nice if you would let me post...
P-Edit: come on guys...
P-Edit: This isn't funny.
Kinda don't like this post actually. Too... try hardy? Wants to emulate the arrogance others have but doesn't really achieve the same effect?
This. Exactly this.