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Ok. gonna go page by page with this. First 7 now. Last 7 when I get out of the shower.
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Someone on that Abomination early wagon is scum. Leaning either Shos or Kdowns. Not that it's a bad wagon, but scum are bound to take advantage. Yes, this means I am townreading that slot.
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I understand Actiondan's Iec vote more than Iec's Actiondan vote.
Xofelf's post 38 looks like buddying where she says the ginormous hydra has good players in it and she'd hate to lynch it out of policy. Seems more like she'd be paranoid good players could be scum that she should be worried about. Also, 46 is pretty over decfensive for a non issue as far as the game is concerned. I don't remember her being so touchy in past games.
Mastin, why are you townreading Shos' and Klick's opening posts.
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Also to Mastin: a case on Iec would be nice.
Always, what exactly is Abomination doing that is "pro town"?
Kinda curious why the policy voters aren't even touching Majiffy by the way.
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Yeah, Mhork being more emotional than logical is NOT a scum tell for him. Trust me on that.
Iec's post 85 looks like trying too hard to appeal to an influential player (asking Majiffy if he can be town).
Nero, why the vote change? It seemed like you were serious about policy lynching. What changed your mind?
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Mhork's Actiondan vote is dumb, but maybe town .but maybe not town if we have two scum groups
I don't like mhork and xofelf trying to figure out Actiondan's role. If he wanted us to know, he'd have claimed.
I don't care for Moogle's entrance at all.
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Kat, that was obnoxious.
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Beast, Nero didn't slip. He expressed an overly confident town read.-
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TSO, why do you seem different this game.
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Yeah, Nero is wrong. Majiffy isn't sheeping. Part of me is scumreading Nero. Only part though.
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Majiffy, have you played with fferyscum before? If so, does she analyze the same way? I ask because I've only seen her town game.
Always, why would two scum teams affect your Rhaego read? That post kinda looks bad either way to me.
Lol at Mastin town reading me before I even posted. Didn't I call you scum once before for your read on me not being legitimate? And wasn't I right?
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What a time for Rhaego to fluff post...
Actually most of this page is fluff. But yeah, jiffy, I was at the Styx and Foreigner concert at Turning Stone and it may have been the best damn live show I've ever seen.
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Mhork's effort is kind of swaying me towards townreading him.
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Moogle, any thoughts other than about the hydra and people's reactions to it?
Oh, ok, cool. Moogle noticed something I did (Mastin having a read on me).
The policy lynch is soooooo dumb. The slot is gonna be vidged anyway.
I could vote shos JUST for comparing Styx to Twilight. What the fuck dude, seriously?
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I kinda like BBMolla here-
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Your negative utility. Seems people so thirsty for a policy lynch would at least mention it.In post 351, Majiffy wrote:Why would policy voters touch me egg?
Vote shosbecause it's more productive than voting xofelf or Nero or Always-
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[quote="In post 371, xofelf"]Unvote
@Egg: Am I really extra touchy? I'm not intending to be. It's also been years since we last played and a lot of things have changed for both of us. Why wouldn't play style be one of them?/quote]
Noooo. Getting defensive over something unimportant is NOT playstyle.
Iec, bad reactions.
I'll read Mastin's stuff later
I am not taking this as an unvote.Last edited by Cephrir on Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Mastin, so are you assuming that with two scum teams, Rhaego would scum hunt more as scum? Is his lack of scumhunting town to you? Because I don't see it that way. If he's the type of player to not do jack shit as town, he'd be that way as scum too regardless of the number of teams. You're gonna have to explain this read change to me a little deeper.
And no. Your read on me in that game was NOT legitimate. You were scum and knew I was town. Maybe you thought you'd have been town reading me regardless, but your reasons were flawed because you already knew you were right and you failed to correctly justify that. You said I was the same in that game and it wasn't even close to being true. I called you out on that and AP, who was in both games, agreed. Hell, he even voted me for seeming different. Just like in this game, I had yet to do jack shit in that game. The only difference between this game and that one is that you had "reasons" there. Here, you townread me when I hadn't even posted. I know we aren't masons so tell me how that is possible. How can you possibly townread me before I've even posted? Seriously, I'm dying to know.
As far as your kilck and shos reads, I was asking specifically about you townreading their opening posts, not updated reads. Same with Iec and Abomination. I didn't pick up on the same thing. It took me longer to come to the same conclusion. So you saw something else earlier in the game and I'd like to know what is was. I suspect you may have been BSing early reads and I don't see why you'd do that as town. Although with two teams, you'd know to look for the other team as scum too. But it still looks that way and I'm trying to determine why. But at the same time I'm not voting you because I'm picking up what you're putting down if you know what I mean. As in I get where your cly and venmar reads are coming from and I share those two reads with you pending some flips and stuff.
I don't like Iec's 417.
From Nero's list, no on Cly and Majiffy. Abomination, you can vig, but don't lynch it.
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This is awesomeIn post 463, Majiffy wrote:Woah
Were halfway there
Woah
Lynchin on a prayer
Take my hand
Well flip scum I swear
Woah
Lynchin on a prayer
Lynchin on a prayerrrrr-
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Not discrediting. Just maybe second guessing a little.In post 506, Iecerint wrote:Egg is town. No need to discredit the wagon on me otherwise.
LolIn post 507, T S O wrote:It's Cho! Haven't talked to you in a while since our fun d1 last time!-
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Pffffffftttttttt
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That sounds more like Day 1 of a large than RVS. What is RVSy about a policy lynch wagon and a wagon on a player who is a widely accepted scum read. And considering the Abomination wagon came first, Shos kind of is the counter wagon. If not, the Iec wagon is only a few votes behind. Mastin, are you even trying right now?-
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But with two scum teams, each team is half the size that they'd be with one team. So that's only half the resistance if we are assuming they wouldn't bus/distance.Always wrote:And equally as defining a trait is that a scum player getting wagoned is much more difficult to wagon, since one team is going to try and keep their scumbuddy alive at all costs.
Are you even being serious right now?Always wrote:There's a reason I call the wagon a bit boring. We learn shos's alignment. Yay. What do we learn aside from that? Anything? Nope, not really.
What exactly did Cly do?Nero wrote:Also what is the difference between what Xofelf did and what Clyton did?
I was asking for clarification because I didn't understand where you were coming from. How is doing so a misrep? I guess I get it now though. Sort of.Always wrote:Stop misrepping. I meant what I said. Rhageo's action looked vaguely pro-town because when going beneath shallow surface-level play, there was a hint of a potential townposting that I latched onto. Multiball makes that more sketchy, because scum have the ability to, and early-game are practically near-guaranteed to be, legitimately scumhunting. Which makes the action harder to pin down. It's either town scumhunting or scum scumhunting, but while I overall lean the former, it's a tough call to make.
Guess I'm an idiot then because I see coasting and not doing a whole lot.Always wrote:There is no lack of scumhunting. If you see a lack of scumhunting in Rhageo, you're an idiot, alignment-regardless. Because his alignment regardless, Rhageo has been scumhunting quite blatantly in his posts, just subtly. To answer, I haven't been able to lock down one way or the other whether it's town or not, but with the slightest of leans towards town. Basically, I feel that going for subtle-scumhunting has very little payoff for scum in comparison to more obvious tactics. Shallow play, deeper play. Rhageo's closer to the latter. Which has more reward as town than as scum.
Mastin, as for the thing about last game, saying you know you'd have seen the same thing as town as you claimed to see as scum is just wrong. So wrong. On so many levels. And your logic there was ridiculously flawed there. And it's because you weren't being legitimate. AP saw it too. And there is absolutely no way you can have a town read on me before I even posted here. Because the fact I hadn't posted tells you nothing except that I was working, sleeping, then working again in that time. In between shifts, I saw a bunch of pages and said fuck it I'll wait for days off. That is 100% null. But it's pointless to debate and we both know why so this is the last I have to say about it.
Whether it was those posts or not, I was just wondering where the reads came from...Always wrote:I'll get around to this in a bit. Running short on time. Short version, posts I quote aren't necessarily the basis of the read; they can be, but could be earlier or later, depending on when I hit submit.
Moogle, my issue with Iec's 417 should be obvious. He said he didn't have a read on Cly but would call him town because everyone else was. No sense of paranoia that it's the scum calling him town because they are his buddies or anything. No independent scum hunting. Just letting everyone else read a player and blindly following everyone else's reads. And my joking around depends more on playerlist, mood, and gamestate than my alignment.
There's also the possibility you're failing to recognize - the scum in question are reluctant to extend a helping hand to their failing scumpartner.
I mean, consider the current state of the game at the moment. Like mentioned, the game feels relatively RVSy and easy-going still. Now, how would it look if a scumpartner tried to defend shos at this stage of the game, even subtly?
Also worth mentioning is that this is a fucking HUGE game and despite having something like eight votes shos is far from in danger of being lynched and not in need of saving in the slightest bit.[/quote]
This kind of looks like it could be a Shos scumpartner...
Ok, yeah? There was a question there too... As for the Shos wagon, if that's how you feel about the votes on it, including mine, I guess you know me better than I know myself. I wasn't joking when I voted him and the fact that I think he's a much better lynch than Abomination factored in quite a bit.Always wrote:Key phrases highlighted.
Y+B, I'm good at reading Mastin and I'm pretty sure she's town. That's why I'm getting frustrated lol. Well, that and my mood affects my reading/posting and it's been a very rough day realizing I'm 900 bucks short on my bills this pay period and someone just cashed a check he told me to send and he wouldn't cash until I said the money was there and guess what? The money isn't there so I got fucked. But yeah, I'm going with Mastin is town right now. Cop isn't necessary. It will make sense around Day 3 or 4 for sure.
The bolded looks like you've made up your mind that you are going to disagree with Iec's reads. Predetermined reads before reading the thread aren't something town has.AP wrote:
I have no idea? I'm probably going to wait until after I've read everythingbefore I try and figure out who we want to compromise on.
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Ok catching up.
Back on Page 10, back to back posts I don't like. Squirrel Girl's 689 is giving me bad vibes. Can't exactly figure out why. The very next post by Moogle is buddying to Nat and I don't like it at all.
Iec's post where he votes Nero is bad. He just picks out a post and says it's scummy without saying why. And that post by Nero was pretty logical. I mean, I compromised on shos earlier for that same reason. That's not to say Nero is town, but that's not a reason to vote him.
Ap's catchup was underwhelming. I was expecting this new original insight and just don't really see it.
TSO, pretty sure I saw you a couple times before N's game. The different read isn't coming from that game alone.
Mhork, why do you seem annoyed at Mastin's xofelf vote coming right as she goes V/LA? She is a new popular wagon. Is that supposed to die down just because her access is limited? If that was supposed to happen, more players would go V/LA JUST because a wagon forms on them. And I'm not saying that's what she's doing (I highly doubt she is), but it happens and it's because of people saying "well this person isn't here to defend themself so let's ignore them even though they could be scum and lynch someone else instead". It's worse with replace outs, but this annoys me too.
Mala, can you give me a list of reads that you and Mastin agree on? Names alone are fine. I don't need reasons for this.
Beast popping in just to reassert his rhaego read and do nothing else rubs me the wrong way.
Squirrel Girl's Shos vote just to make things exciting is pretty bad. She votes a softclaimed power role to make this happen? Nah, that's dumb.
Shos, you said you were claiming and only gave a character name. You don't get to do that and then call someone out for fishing when they ask for more.
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I've been phone posting all game. I think I only posted from a computer once.In post 921, beastcharizard wrote:
I have been phone posting for about a week because I had no wifi. Shoot me for only doing very little but still trying to contribute something to the conversation. I am on an actual computer now.In post 907, Egg wrote:Beast popping in just to reassert his rhaego read and do nothing else rubs me the wrong way.-
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Yeah I just did the same thing not too long ago. I miss my old one.In post 925, Nero Cain wrote:this really has nothing to do with the game, but I recently bought a 4g phone and it is hard as fuck to play Mafia on it.-
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Flavor arguments will convince me 0% of the time.In post 944, shos wrote:yes, usually, but in this case, I AM THE GAME. I mean there's like literally no way inuyasha is the bad guy. there aren't enoug good guys if he is.
Beast, why is Rhaego scum? There are reasons not from his play why I think he is town, but I want to see your case.-
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Why is Rhaego the worst offender of this?In post 950, beastcharizard wrote:
This is why I think Rhaego is scum.In post 835, beastcharizard wrote:Rhaego is scummy because they are doing nothing at all that is helpful to the town. Their posts are just dumb questions with zero content what so ever. Their claim of scum hunting is not actually that. It feels like they are going more for making noise than anything else.-
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I'm actually trying to figure out why he singles out one player for doing what quite a few others are doing as well.In post 968, Birds of Prey wrote:
If Rhaego is scum, so is Egg for this post. It subtly says only the worst offender at a particular transgression can be scum and searches for another player to make worse than Rhaego.In post 966, Egg wrote:
Why is Rhaego the worst offender of this?In post 950, beastcharizard wrote:
This is why I think Rhaego is scum.In post 835, beastcharizard wrote:Rhaego is scummy because they are doing nothing at all that is helpful to the town. Their posts are just dumb questions with zero content what so ever. Their claim of scum hunting is not actually that. It feels like they are going more for making noise than anything else.
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Why did I originally read his claim as miller AND tracker? This makes more sense.In post 971, ActionDan wrote:
(you're also a miller to trackers/watchers and the like)In post 949, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:Thirdly, it's not the case that there "aren't enough good characters." We're town aligned and are not really a good guy/girl. There are many characters who are "nicer" than our flavor, so there's really no shortage of town related flavors.-
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Shos, speaking of Harry Potter mafia, Dumbledore was a Mod provided fakeclaim once. People went "OMG Dumbledore has to be in the game and has to be town. ReaperCharlie is confirmed town". Guess who went on to win the game? Scum who claimed Dumbledore.
TSO, I doubt Mastin is scum.
Shos, yeah it's cow tits. And I learned recently that there are people who have never seen a cow. Holy shit
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Two people busy on a holiday weekend? It's only been like 2 or 3 days and they were active before that.In post 1009, T S O wrote:but if it's a hydra, why is it inactive?-
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I don't want pressure. I want to see an elf with a noose around her neck hanging from a tree.In post 1065, Nero Cain wrote:She left and she's not back yet but I'm fine with adding pressurevote:Xofelf
Still don't like Shos at all.
What do you think of Angry Ice, egg?
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Not a town tellIn post 1070, Lord Mhork wrote:I still oppose the xof wagon out of principle since she's evidently not here right now-
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It's not about pressure. It's about lynching scum.In post 1072, Lord Mhork wrote:No but the pressure isn't doing anything and people can just sit and coast on their votes. The votes would be better spent literally anywhere else until xof either shows up, starts prod dodging, or gets replaced. Right now scum can hop on her and just check in every now and again to say they're still waiting while they lurk the thread to death
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What about xofelf?In post 1076, Venmar wrote:Nero is probably town, Rhaego looks like a VI, and shos isn't an optimal Day 1 lynch by my standards.
This town is so luckluster lol. I'll push out some content and why's later today when im not busy playing league or something-
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How does that compare to your read on Nero, who you are voting?In post 1083, AngryIcerink wrote:I think AP has more enthusiasm for XofelfScum than I do, but neither of us thinks she is town.
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I happen to like her too. But I'm scumreading her and I lynch scum reads.In post 1102, Lord Mhork wrote: I'm defending xof because she's not here and I like her. Plus piling impatient pressure isn't going to do anything really productive with her
And for the third time. I don't give a rat's ass about pressure. You are the only one bringing up pressure. My vote is not a pressure vote. It's a "can we just lynch this now?" vote.-
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He explained it just fine. It's just a matter of whether you believe him or not. I'm on the fence, personally.In post 1107, Lord Mhork wrote:He slipped and to the best of my memory he hasn't adequately explained it. That's sketch as fuck.-
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Seriously how can you hang on to "shos has no content" and "shos hasn't defended the slip"? Are you reading his posts? Have you looked at his ISO? Those aren't reasons to vote him. Maybe he's scum. But if he is, the strongest point against him is that he is using a name claim to treat himself as confirmed town.-
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There goes your entire case then.In post 1117, Lord Mhork wrote:I sometimes read shos' posts. I don't think they ever really sink in though-
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Xofelf, a few thoughts after reading your posts.
-I noticed the double vote. Just didn't see any reason to point it out.
-Tell me why my reasons for voting you aren't legitimate.
-What is your read on Mhork? And don,t give a fencesitty null or say you could see either side. I want to hear town or scum.
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