Trouble in Minas Tirith! Game over!

[mathcam]

I'm here, replacing talitha, but it'll be a couple of days before I'm caught up.

Cam

[mathcam]

I agree we should back off Riven. He's good for now.

CoolBot, we don't know Eomer's not in the game. A clever (or, perhaps, just one that doesn't check the board very often) Eomer would wait to see if ZONEACE was going to be lynched anyway

without

needing to reveal who he was.

I never understood the argument against Leo. Why is there

any

reason to think FlyingDutchman was targeted last night? He asked for protection the night before!!! Evil's not usually that stupid.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, and sure.

Vote: GIA

Cam

[mathcam]

I too am not convinced of his innocence. But the claim can be easily contradicted later if, say, when we're down to 5 of us, it turns out that Pippen wasn't in the game. Makes for a nice easy kill.

Cam

[mathcam]

I had an idea on that, actually. Zone claimed Eomer, and I think that was a pretty risky claim for mafia to make in a game this size. What if the Haradrim know that the Rohirrim aren't in the game. That would explain Zone's claim and cast doubt on Riven's claim. I think the likelihood of this being the case is rather low and we shouldn't lynch Riven on this idea, but I wondered what others thought about it.

While I agree with this possibility (that the Rohirrim are possibly safe role claims), I'm not sure that really casts doubt on Riven's claim in particular. But, as you say, it's something to keep in mind for later. (Especially if Pippen doesn't show up).

Cam

[mathcam]

I don't think anyone was advocating Pippen to claim, ben...

I kind of get that feeling that a bunch of innocents are doing all the talking. I'm going to pick a lurker and go after him pretty soon.

Cam

[mathcam]

Vote: Phoebus

.

His last post was a week ago, and that was only to point out Leo was lurking.

Cam

[mathcam]

Unvote: Phoebus

Well, without any strong leads, we

could

consider not lynching. Are we really going to gain anything by bandwagonning someone until they role claim? I would think that because of the intricacies in the game (namely, that it seems like there were several very new and ocmplicated roles), we might be better off to let our pro-town roles do their jobs for another night. I realize we'll wake up in the morning with another dead or two, but note that this is better than waking up with another dead or two

and

having lynched a townie the day before.

Thoughts?

Cam

[mathcam]

Where's the fun in that. Mathcam?!?

Yeah, I know, I know. How could we have fun without blood and carnage? It's like a hotdog with no ketchup.

I'm always torn on the quick-popper-uppers as you mentioned. In their defence, at least they showed up. But against them is the fact that they were admittedly lurking...reading the thread and not posting. I guess you just have their "I'm here!" post to judge them on.

Phoebus, keep posting or we'll kill you.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, reread through the whole thing. No one jumps out, but my best guess is: (drum roll please)

Vote: Tigris

Cam

[mathcam]

I really don't think going after Phoebus is a good idea. He was lurking, but now he's back. He's active and being helpful, and I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a pretty strong "good" vibe from him.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, I guess is this fairly subjective, but this post for one already outdoes a couple of other people in this game: (Sorry for the obnoxiously long quote)

Phoebus, I'll unvote you when you post something more than worrying about votes.

Sure!

What do you want? Going from what others have pointed out, I tend to concur that Gnome is the likeliest suspect who could be Zoneace's buddy.

But for now, no one seems to want to proceed anywhere ahead of here.
I'd vote for Gnome if we decided that's what we are going to do. For personally, I haven't a clue.

The only thing I'm wondering about is mathcam's vote for Tigris.
He voted for me as lurker. Fair enough.
I indicated I'm still around. He unvoted, fair enough again.
Then he votes for Tigris after having re read the thread. I'd like a little more plausible explanation for the vote.

Tigris does not seem too concerned about the vote as well. I can't blame him/her. (Sorry I don't know which. ) and has proceeded to talk about what where we should send FD.

At this point of time, I'd rather FD make up his own mind for the story does indicate infiltration of the city has been achieved. I guess he also needs doc cover. It's been rather lucky I think for him to eb around still with such a potentially revealing role.

There are absolutely no leads other than him. Riven's claim has been satisfactory for now. We've decided not to go after Leo as well.

At this rate, I

will

worry about my lead in the votes race. You don't want me lynched. That's all I say...
Why? Well, I'm town. Number majority for town is a good thing. From what I've heard of Macros' games, night abilities for every character are a given. I hardly need state I have one...do I?

~Phoebus~

[mathcam]

Well, I'm certainly not arguing this was optimal play. He was lurking, and there's nothing we can do about that now. We just have to decide what to make of the information. Townies lurk too, ya know.

I don't know why I find his "You guys really don't want to kill me" argument so compelling. It's made time and time again every time a mafia is about to be lynched and I don't even flynch. This time, though, I just believe him. But of course, I'm not that sure. So I'm happy to let you guys go ahead and kill 'em, and be right there with a "I told you so" if I'm right, and a "Well done, team" if you're right.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hey!

Cam

[mathcam]

Often, they all get lynched, which because we have no strong suspicions, is definitely the worst-case scenario.

That quote above was indeed in reference to Riven, who I still think is innocent. Why do you continue your vote, MGIA?

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, fair point. The "0" case is handled differently.

Cam

[mathcam]

Or we could just pick someone now just in case...

Cam

[mathcam]

I don't have my notes with me here, and honestly, I'm not sure I even wrote down why I voted Tigris. I did at the end of a read-through and somehow found him the most scummy. I have no strong evidence in favor of lynching Tigris. I'll let you know if I had a good reason when I'm at my other computer.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm going to leave my vote for now. Saturday night is still a ways off, and I'd rather see Tigris lynched than any of the others currently with votes.

Cam

[mathcam]

I like your thinking, ages, and if the rules had to be run as they were stated, I might be amenable to your plan. But as DS points out, Macros is not really obliged to entertain this plan.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, I anticipate that we'll be at a standstill again until Macros gets frustrated and reimposes our dealine again, at which point we will be in the same place we were before. I think it's pretty clear no new information is going to make itself available, so I'm going to leave my vote where my gut told me to put it. On Tigris.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, mostly because I fear the deadline, but also because he's kind of giving off the "Too eager to help" vibe that is oh-so-common in mafiapeople, I'll

Vote: ages

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, but Ben's always like that. Do you think he's

more

suspiciously flippant than usual? That's what you have to decide before making the vote. Didn't ben already claim anyways?

Cam

[mathcam]

Never mind. No claim from Ben. I was thinking about something else. (But the previous point still holds)

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, we

could

lynch both if we wanted to. Improved chance of evil....but really shooting ourselves in the foot if we're wrong twice.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, if we collectively agree to lynch two, we can pretty much assure ourselves of lynching them both. Someone who jumps in to skew it at the last minute would certainly look scummy to me. Of course, there's not a lot of time to collectively agree about anything at this point....

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, I don't find Ben that suspicious, but I find ages less suspicious:

Unvote: Tigris, Vote: BigBen

.



Cam

[mathcam]

Hmm, good point. Just in case Macros decides to be a stickler:

Unvote: ages, Vote: Bigben

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, at the time, ben and ZONEACE were, let's say, at odds in other threads. That's why I find the claim believable.

Unvote: Ben, Vote: Ages

We need to get someone with more votes than Ben, pronto.

Cam

[mathcam]

Sorry ben:

Ben doesn't always think before he speaks. I think we all know this. I think it's probably also true of the voting procedure in his head. I feel fairly strongly that this was a newbie mistake. The role claim is very believable.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'll reemphasize then that my vote is highly not due to suspicious behavior (though there were semi-valid attacks made agsint you), but rather that I believe Ben and think it imperative that we raise someone else's vote tally over his before the deadline. As there's still only two votes on him, if you pick someone to bandwagon and give a semi-valid reason, I'll probably follow.

Cam

[mathcam]

Unvote: Ages, Vote: Orbiting

Cam

[mathcam]

B seems possible also. But why couldn't he just be a normal cop?

Cam

[mathcam]

This is definitely a pickle. With no lynch not an option, it's going to be hard not to keep randomly bandwagonning out powerful roles out into the open, and then unvoting them. The only way this will get us anywhere is if we bandwagon someone who comes out with a ridiculous or duplicated claim. Also working against us is the possibility that a ridiculous claim will actually be legitimate. The one thing in our favor is that there doesn't seem to be a generic townie role yet, right? So any false claim made by a scum willl likely be extremely tangential or duplicated.

I'm not sure what to make of this, though.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, we can see if anyone else claims it, I guess. That would certainly put an end to the random bandwagonning.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, I'm only halfway through my reread...I'gve sot some suspicions, but I had a question for the LOTR experts that might possibly have already been asked.

We've been told that the Man of Khand led a contingent of troops. Is it possible/likely that the Man of Khand is just the godfather for the Haradim, rather than the Khands and the Hardim be two separate evil groups?

Again, if this answer has already been well-established, I apologize.

I'm working on my suspicious list as we go, so let's hold off on the no lynch for just a little more.

Cam

[mathcam]

Has mafia ever tried to push a no lynch? I'd like to see a couple of examples from those people who bring this up

every

single time.

Cam

[mathcam]

My point is that you can feel that pushing a no lynch only benefits the mafia without voting for whomever suggested. In some cases, I might be

less[/]i suspicious of someone who boldly proposes a plan that I think to be pro-mafia, simply because I don't think a mafia would present it. So while I feel your thoughts are in the right place, I don't think your vote is.

Cam

[mathcam]

So...any reason why not you?

Here's one. What if ages is a doc? Or a cop? Or any other useful role that we're bandwagonning into the open not because we find ages very suspicious, but because we don't know what else to do.

Cam

[mathcam]

And this is essentially ages' point. If bandwagonning random people is bad, and no one is suspicious, then no lynch is a viable option.

Cam

[mathcam]

Frankly...I'd probably be all for a no lynch but then everyone gasps in horror and points fingers.

So your solution was this was to gasp in horror and point fingers at the person who suggested no lynch? I don't mean to pick on you, Phoebus, it's just that this has become a pet peeve of mine. No lynch is often a viable option, and too often whoever suggests it gets bandwaggoned even though most people realize that its a viable option.

I will post again very soon with a list of the people I find most suspicious.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, I've compiled a list of people I think are very probably innocent, but I think I'll keep that to myself. The only people I found anything worth mentioning in the suspicious department are Tigris and, ironically enough, ages. I still feel Tigris is more suspicious than most, but ages already has some votes on him, so

Vote: Ages

Cam

[mathcam]

Ah, what the heck: In my almost certainly wrong expert mafia opinion, I guess that the vast majority of the remaining evil lies within:

Ages

, CoolBot, Dragon Slayer, MGIA, Scalebane,

Tigris

, and Untrod Tripod.

Everyone else has either claimed something believable or posted something that convinced me of their innocence. I'll be interested in seeing how accurate this is at the end of the game. (i.e. who cleverly posted something to lead me astray). Italics means that they're actually suspicious to me, and not just neutral.

Who of these is lurking as well? Maybe Scalebane? Everyone else seems to be pretty active, I think.

*looks forward to the return of the "view all posts" option*

Cam

[mathcam]

fos: mathcam, no one else that suggested no lynch as a viable option voted for ages.

I'm not voting him because of his no lynch stance. I thought that was pretty clear that for the past few posts, I've been vehemently arguing against voting him because of his no lynch stance.

Cam

[mathcam]

Let me answer both questions:

I am suspicious of Tigris in part for the "maybe some of the Haradrim aren't evil" comment.

I am suspicious of ages in part for stretching really hard to make Tigris seem suspicious after my initial posting of this suspicion.

Clearly, neither of these things are things that a pro-town person couldn't do, so good luck defending on it. They were just things that struck me as odd, and put the two of you higher than the generic suspicion on my list.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, I'm fine with no lynch if no one wants to support my bandwagons. I'll give people some more time first, though.

Cam

[mathcam]

It's not rolling over. It's saying "I'd rather have only one dead townie when we wake up tomorrow rather than 2." It's saying "Let's use our investigative and protective roles to get an edge instead of doing the mafia's work for them."

The only reason I'm voting for ages is because Macros seemed to really not want a no lynch, and it seems like it must be in the town's best interests to acquiesce.

Cam

[mathcam]

Not bothering with bandwagons and roleclaims? We've done this. It's not a question of not wanting to bother with it, it's a question of it being detrimental to the town. If I was trying not to bother with this game, I wouldn't be arguing with you on this point! Yes, it's always nice to find out information in the day, but more likely than not, we're going to be killing a townie, and then there'll be 4 dead townies tomorrow instead of 3! I'll be saying "Gee, I wish we hadn't done the mafia's work for them."

And we're not talking about a cop handing us the game, though that would certainly be nice. We're talking about docs getting information, role-blockers gaining information, not to mentions cops and certain gate-watchmen. We're talking about

using

our abilities to our benefit, instead of making them sound like we're cheating if we use them.

Cam

[mathcam]

I don't think so...he might feel that way, but I doubt he'd impose his opinions on us as a town. It's our right not to lynch if we don't want to. I think there's something about the game mechanics that would make it weird if we no-lynched.

Cam

[mathcam]

I find no lynch to be a less damaging prospect then mass claiming (which is where bandwagoning for claims ultimately leads imo).

Well said.

And at least we agree on that, WB.

Cam

[mathcam]

Ummm...ages has more votes than no lynch, I think....

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm pretty surprised that FlyingDutchman wasn't protected, but then again, I'm surprised there was only one night kill. Hmm.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, that's awfully tangential.

Bergil is the son of Beregond a guard of Minas Tirith. When Gandalf and Pippin were in Minas Tirth, Beregond sent Pippin to find Bergil so he could guide him round the city. Pippin found Bergil playing with some other boys outside the Old Guesthouse in Lampwright’s Street. "Bergil proved a good comrade, the best company Pippin had had since he parted from Merry". Together they went to the Great Gate to watch the troops arrive.

I find it somewhat unlikely he would be present in this game. In any case, it's a combination of a weak role claim with a guilty cop investigation. There's little doubt in my mind that this is the right move:

Vote: Thoth

And I whole-heartedly agree with Tigris on her Dethenor stance.

Cam

[mathcam]

I agree. Especially as pertains to the number and distribution of the remaining evil groups. It seems like there must be a lot, unfortunately.

Cam

[mathcam]

But with that many groups, surely

some

of them must be relatively small. There must've been a vig kill in there somewhere too.

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, MGIA proposed 10 evil, but there were only 23 of us to start. That would probably be hugely unbalanced. Even 9 out of 23 would be about 40%. I suspect we have no

additional

SK, for one, and possibly one of the killing groups is smaller than 3.

Good point about DS.

[mathcam]

I suppose we should discuss the viability of a vig coming out and claiming one of the kills. The thing is that it's just so easy for an evil to do the same.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, here's the thing. I may have some information concerning a particular player and whether or not he was responsible for a kill last night. Ideally, I would like to trap him by getting him to claim that his role didn't kill anyone last night.

A technique that has worked in other games has been to go around in a randomly determined order, each of us either confessing to killing someone last night or denying that we did. I won't reveal until we've all gone around. We do expose our vigs, but that's not that horrible. With 9 alive, even a mass role claim could be fairly helpful.

So unless anyone objects, I think we should start with a random player, and after each player reveals, they pick the next person to reveal.

Cam

[mathcam]

So....DS?

Cam

[mathcam]

Who's left? I sure didn't kill anyone.

Cam

[mathcam]

I suppose this makes sense, but I can't help but feel that some time in the near future, we're going to be having a mass role claim anyway.

I think Leo should hold off and UT should answer.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, well I anticipate a lot of ahterd out of this, but the person lying (or at least implying something that wasn't true) was... me. I had no information. I set a trap for evil, and amazingly, no one bit. I was sure that with so many kills,

someone

would have to fess up to having done one, and then we could go from there.

Before you flip out, consider that I sitll consider this exercise useful. We

did

gain some useful information from people's reactions, and we didn't

lose

anything.

So, after we're done debating whether or not to lynch me, I think we should decide on a mass role claim. I think it'll be pretty hard for evil to hide.

Cam

[mathcam]

a) Thank you, CoolBot. Yeah, it sucks that it didn't work. Come to think about it, we learned that no one but possibly Leo was a vig (or at least one that killed last night), so there is a lot of killing left.

Claiming really feels like a good idea to me, and just so that we can hopefully move off of me...

I am Peregrin Took, in a mason group with Merry, whom I suppose I'll allow to reveal himself.

Cam

[mathcam]

Good point. mlaker can confirm by Tookness, then.

Cam

[mathcam]

Big

FOS: Scalebane

. There's absolutely no reason to not use your role every night, and I supsect that you would agree with me if you hadn't just made up your role claim.

The only ability your role is to take out a scum. There's no reason to "wait and be sure" about your target before killing him, because if you're wrong, it's even better! You're a cop with an investigation result of "innocent" on someone.

Plus, the pretty obscure role claim and the nervous "So mathcam, who's lying?" quote above. Forget the FOS....

Vote: CoolBot

Cam

[mathcam]

Dammit. I meant for the first FOS to be on CoolBot as well.

Cam

[mathcam]

Ok, I understand now. But you have to admit the post was ambiguous, CoolBot. I made a very similar role for Quantum mafia that was like yours but didn't even do the killing unless it was anti-town.

Cam

[mathcam]

Unnamed?

Cam

[mathcam]

Ho ho! The plot thickens!

Do

you

have a name, UT?

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, it's 5 to lynch. Let's just be careful, okay? There's enough evil left that it's still possible that a if UT is mafia, that he and his group could feel pretty assured of a win if they could just get someone outside of their group lynched. There's no better way to do that than to contradict a role claim. I think Scale's probably scummy, but I just want to hear two sides of the role claim first.

I think scale should provide us with a role name, and then UT with an ability claim.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh yeah.

Unvote: CoolBot

Cam

[mathcam]

So much for waiting until we discussed it, I guess.

Cam

[mathcam]

I think a role claim from DS is in order.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm not sure what you're referring to. I

do

know that Macros is trying to get out of Mafia for a while (he's asking for replacements everywhere), so I think he's trying to have this game finish up too.

Cam

[mathcam]

Why wouldn't he have asked for night choices? It's not

that

clear to me that we're going to lynch DS, even now. It would be pretty irresponsible of Macros to leave that line of reasoning open by not taking night choices.

I lean toward thinking there's another evil anyway.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hmm, unverifiable role claim. This makes the claim somewhat suspicious. Major character. This makes the claim somewhat believable. Hmm.

As for the other evil, Phoebus, maybe not. I was thinking there were 30 players in the game to start instead of only 22. (6 evil would have been small for 30 players). I'm feeling pretty good about our odds, actually. 7 players left, and 1 (possibly 2) evils, as well as some pro-town roles.

Cam

[mathcam]

Good points, mlaker.

Vote: DS

Cam

[mathcam]

I think that's 5 ouf ot 7. Probably a lynch. I think Macros has been AWOL for a little bit.

Cam

[mathcam]

Claim recap:
Leonidas - Faramir (Vig)
Mlaker 2 - Merry (Mason)
Mathcam - Peregrin Took (Mason)
Untrod Tripod - Nameless (Doc)

Have you claimed a kill yet, Leo?

Cam

[mathcam]

So Leo, you're claiming your failed attempt didn't count as your one-shot?

Cam

[mathcam]

I see. I thought your "I changed my mind" was saying why you didn't try to kill him any more, whereas you meant it as saying that was why you didn't try to vote him after that. Got it.

Cam

[mathcam]

Can we modprod UT or something?

Cam

[mathcam]

UT's been missing everywhere. Maybe we could just replace him immediately?

Cam

[mathcam]

Up until now, I was thinking that I was going to go after Leo. The whole scalebane thing seemed to pretty much cinch things up. Why would UT have coutner-claimed that exact same role if he and Scalebane were both scum?

The one surprising thing is how precisely similar the two roles were. It seems to me like it must be the case that they were both fake claims handed out by Macros to scum. When Scalebane claimed it, UT either didn't think at all, or thought it would be a perfect chance to enhance his status.

I feel like Lord Dethenor was sane. Here's why, and I apologize for this Macros...I would have kept it a secret if I didn't need to use it. At the beginning of the game, mlaker and I were not masons. I'm not sure if mlaker had a role, but my role was that Lord Dethernor could not die while I was still alive. Macros made a slight error and let him die anyway, as compensation, he made mlaker and I masons.

I'm somewhat questioning of the claim that Dethenor was anything less than sane if Macros used up another pro-town role to offer protection for it.

So now I'm leaning toward lynching Phoebus. Quite the dilemna this is.

Cam

[mathcam]

It's not like I just ignored it...Dethenor's sanity is less of a question to me than it was to you, and I explained why.

Also, Leo certainly implied vig a lot earlier than he had to. But maybe this was because he didn't want to get caught in a lie.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, he wasn't really stealing it...Scalebane had made up that claim. Yeah, this is all just too suspect for me.

Vote: Phoebus

Cam

[mathcam]

My decision has nothing to do with UT's, or your, style of play, or for that matter, the 25/50 discrepancy or the fact that you have no name. There are two reasons why you're getting my vote:

a) Leo has been cleared by a cop, and a cop that I have reason to believe is fully sane.
b) Scalebane claimed the exact same role as you, complete with no-name. As CoolBot did not have an information-gathering role, I think the most likely explanation for this is that UT and Scalebane both got the same fake role claim from Macros.

p.s. No lynch is fruitless. One of mlaker or I will die tonight and there will be 3 of us left in the same predicament. That, or possibly you'll hold off your kill and claim that you must have protected the right person.

Cam

[mathcam]

I guess we'll see what mlaker thinks, but as of yet, you've brought up several points, but haven't addressed either of the 2 major reasons I'm voting for you. How exactly did Scalebane manage to claim your exact role?

Cam

[mathcam]

I suppose there's no harm in unvoting, though my suspicions are still lying in the same place. Where's mlaker?

Yeah, revealing night choices would be good.

Cam

[mathcam]

Poop.

Unvote: Phoebus

Cam

[mathcam]

Leo, you're claiming to have nothing to do with any of these deaths on night 4?

Werebear 2 - Theoden - Stabified
Corsato - Eowyn - Doesn't need that helmet anymore
Tigris - Man of Khand - Minced and ready for stewing
BigBenWD - Dethenor - strawberry squishy anyone?

Cam

[mathcam]

Why do I feel like you haven't really kept up with the discussion, mlaker? My role was to protect Dethenor and Dethenor alone. Do you really think Macros would have put in a role solely designed to protect an insane cop. Seems rather unlikely to me.

It

is

a little unnerving that this is only Leo's defense.

Cam

[mathcam]

Where oh where did Leo go?

Cam

[mathcam]

Sounds good. I await his arrival.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hey, it never hurts to make sure, right? If we lynch wrong and it turns out we could have deduced that one of you was the killer simply by analyzing the night 4 kills, I'd feel pretty foolish.

I'm satisfied. Even if I turn out to be wrong, I feel like I'm following all the right evidence.

Vote: Phoebus

and I probably won't unvote. Mlaker?

Cam

[mathcam]

Hm, I see frustration has morphed into obnoxiousness. It's unbecoming on you, Phoebus.

Effort has nothing to do with it. All the evidence points toward you, a cop investigation clearing Leo, the probable existence of a vig, the whole deal with the doubly-claimed role that sounded fake in the first place.

And where are these airtight arguments against Leo? That he's inactive? That he's been resing on his laurels? Yeah, that sure means he's scum.

Cam

[mathcam]

Dammit, mlaker. Participate!

Honestly, Phoebus, I'm beginning to have my doubts. So if you're scum, congrats on being so convincing, and if you're town, congratulations on having me even

suspect

your innocence in face of what I consider to be overwhelming evidence against you. But in any case, my vote will probably end up on you.

I think I'll take another read-through. I'm going to

Unvote: Phoebus

, just so that mlaker can come in and put on a 2nd vote without worrying about whether he's going to be casting the lynching vote or not.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well I certainly understand the problem, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to let the game hang this long. Could we replace him with someone active who was in the game recently? Maybe Ben or Werebear?

Cam

[mathcam]

Yay, an active participant!

Ben:

I am Faramir, son of Denethor. I am a one-shot vigilante.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, I see you already found something.

Hm, I just noticed this: Leo spells is Denethor, when the character's actual name is Dethenor.

Hmm.

Cam

[mathcam]

Aw, who am I kidding? I just can't change my vote. In addition to all of the info already presented, there's

still

the fact that Phoebus would be the only unnamed character in the whole game,

plus

it would mean that Faramir wasn't in the game, which seems unlikely given the presence of Beregond.

Let's end this.

Vote: Phoebus

Cam

[mathcam]

Really? Wow. There's so many question I have, then. I guess we'll wait to hear from Macros.

Cam

[mathcam]

So was Denethor insane or what?

Cam

[mathcam]

Bigben never investigated leonidas

Oh, I missed that.

Ben, I think you got some 'splainin to do....

Cam

[mathcam]

Heh, I could see that being somewhat confusing.

Now, off to corrupt more hobbits. Wait a minute...

Cam

[mathcam]

And how

did

Scalebane get the warden role claim so exactly? Just a fluke?

Cam

[mathcam]

cam - i have no idea how scalebane managed that claim, i was peronsally amazed when he made it, getting the ability right and everything.

Scalebane? Now I'm just curious. But congrats...not only did you manage to oust a pro-town role with your fake identical claim, the fact that was identical in the first place got the rest of the town to lynch the

real

copy of that role as well.

I would've sworn it was a "safe claim" given to two different scum.

Cam

[mathcam]

I took a lucky, lucky shot in the dark, if you want to know the truth.

Well, I hate you because of it.

Cam