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Please just make the case on me because I'm getting pretty fucking annoyed at being softpushed like this.

Vote for me you fucking cowards.
Lol.

Your self-destruct reads more caught scum and less disgruntled town.

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Your self-destruct reads more caught scum and less disgruntled town.

It's not a self destruct. I'm still going to play the game and respond to things. Congrats on making the weakest analysis of my play ever. If you're town, you're playing so half-assedly this day cycle.

Do you have a problem with the term self-destruct as it relates to this situation?

Do you think that's the only reason I'm voting you?

How is my play subpar other voting for you?

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Furthermore, he’s easily blown off his questioning here which is not a marker of his town game. He backs off far too easily here.

I've noticed this too, I'm pretty sure he asked me some questions I forgot to answer. So related to that:

I’ve ignored multiple questions from Cheet this game, the act of which was ignored by Cheet. However in his towngames, Cheet follows up his questions viciously
“Also, don’t fucking ignore me:”
-Cheet, p11

Is this the only instance of behavior like this? I also want to look at this in context personally.

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i missed a lot in a few hours :/

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VOTE: ABR

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The fuck happened...? I'm too tired to think about this tonight.

this is pretty much my thought and I read parts of it already.

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;~;

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STD you weren't around for the end of d2

It happened during an afternoon I was spending working on my game project for school. The pace was way too fast to pay significant attention to.

This game is a lot more mechanic heavy than I'm used to.

honestly I have to refresh myself wrt what went down, especially knowing the lynch was on scum. I also feel dirty knowing Chet wasn't scum now.

As far as massclaim I don't really know; I'm not sure what we get out of it.

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Opinions on maraslot every1?

My opinion of the Mara slot is fueled by HI's townslip which seems legit, or legit enough for now.

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Someone apparently is dead?

Could also be a copy paste error?

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I'm leaning town on BPC and Saki

If BPC was in a neighborhood of two, they have to fake having conversation in their neighborhood. There's no guarantee one dies before the other and is able to "sell out" their buddy.

Saki I forgot why but there was a reason. I was surprised. If necessary I can probably remember it.

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STD, last time we talked you said Saki was likely Scum. Let me find it.

I am aware of this.

I should probably clarify, this town read came in response to this:

No idea how anyone can be townreading Saki

When I looked back at stuff Saki posted.

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It was his responses in regards to what happened with Varsoon.

This isn't scum
So Cephrir is pushing a scumread b/c Varsoon claimed his abilities and ffery is pushing Varsoon b/c she thinks he's scum because he wants her to focus more attention on him
I don't see where this is going to be productive at all
can we drop it

k well this is basically what I agree with
Ceph/ffery and you all p much seem town atm
it took a nationality and flavor reveal to get three townreads but that's not a bad start

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BPC I <3 you but I'm a lot more confident that my neighborhood is town than yours is (or at least was).

orc the BPC town read doesn't have anything to do with his recruit.

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VOTE: MafiaSSK

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I'm a bit out of it, I suppose here's roughly where I'm at.

More like town
1. wgeurts
6. BipolarChemist
9. honey bee
10. Cabd
11. Hostile Intent
14. Brian Skies
18. orcinus_theoriginal
19. Saki

No idea
3. Flubbernugget
7. fferyllt
12. Albert B. Rampage
13. SMP
20. Konowa

Less like town

8. MafiaSSK
17. Bookitty

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Do you mean you don't think there's more than 1 scum in a 6 person neighborhood?

How likely do you think one of MafiaSSK and ABR are scum?

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It's the end of the semester for me so I've got a lot going on so I don't have time to really think about the game. MS is supposed to be a fun thing but occasionally it adds to stress. I like a lot of the players and I don't mind playing with them, but I signed up specifically to play with Ceph so I'm recovering from that. And my mafia mojo has just been kinda gone.

Saki townread was explained. 3117

Though I wouldn't mind more posts from him as always, preferably not telling me I suck this time.

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I misread the "do" as "do not" and was confused.

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I do think there is likely to be scum in a six-person neighbourhood (which this was). I think MafiaSSK is more likely to be scum than ABR.

in that line, for reference.

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Can we please start putting me and fery in the same tier

why

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because we aren't scum/scum and we're not misreading each other right now

Oh okay, that does nothing for me.

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Okay, so you're basing a townread of Saki on the fact that he defended town who looked really guilty and that he read universally townread people as town and that's it?

I didn't think Varsoon looked really guilty. I see justification for town to be on his wagon but I'm going to be hardpressed to believe that his entire wagon was town.

It's enough for me now to read his as town, again he should post more.

I understand that real-life things > Mafia. But the things you are posting are not making sense to me. I literally just said what I thought of MafiaSSK and of ABR. You then immediately asked me about those reads. Why?

EBWOP: Okay, I see the answer to the second part. Fair enough, I guess. First part is still weird.

I'm a weird guy and I'm not paying attention.

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Can you give a brief rundown of why Bookitty is less than Town? I realize it's probably spread throughout your posts, but getting it all into one post would be nice.
Oh, why you have no idea on ffery and I as well.

the short answer is gut

the long answer will likely have to wait.

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because we aren't scum/scum and we're not misreading each other right now

your not misreading of each other doesn't tell ME anything about either of your alignments.

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STD you've had a null-ish/scum-ish read of me for quite a while now, but you've never explained it or tried to figure me out via interactions.

That's the sort of thing that worries me in a player that I think is usually proactive.

Maybe I'm wrong about you usually being proactive?

Have you missed the parts in this thread where I've been needlessly and pitifully been whining about how busy my life is? I know it's not fair, I'm sure other people have it worse than I do. I'm at a point where I just cannot put the effort I normally do into games.

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arg why am I having ten different conversations trying to justify a prompted readslist in which I clearly stated was fuzzy.

boo: I don't really sheep people, even people as cute as Ceph, I need to back it up with my own knowledge and right now I'm not there yet.

orc: I don't think you're scum/scum so that's fine
If you have reasons why ffery isn't scum (not that I think she is, mind you) that do not relate to you and her being able to read each other and instead have to do with her play in this game, I'd love to hear it.
Otherwise all I have is this fact: "orc is townreading ffery."

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ok. my life has been horrendously crazy during this game (and for several months prior) so I can sympathize with not having time/energy/free mental capacity to play a normal game.

I apologize. my comment towards you was uncalled for. I do pride myself on being proactive and I took some offense to the tone of this:

Maybe I'm wrong about you usually being proactive?

when in reality I think I misread your intent.

I don't see how anyone could look at that late-day-2 middle of the night dust up between me and orci and see anything other than town paranoia on his part. My part is probably more ambiguous, but ambiguity is my middle name, so we all get to deal with that.

I'm reading orc as town though.

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You keep throwing shade at me without ever supporting it. Gut is impossible to defend against and it's kind of hard for me to think you are sincere about it at this point.

gut is impossible to build a case on and hence you are in no danger from my spewings regardless of your alignment.

You aren't able to devote enough time to the game; I get that, for sure. But you insist that you don't want to sheep people, even conftown people. You want to back it up with your own knowledge. Fair enough, but you're not DOING that. It's like you're just showing up to vote for star points and, if you are town, how would you even know how to use them for town benefit given that you aren't willing to sheep others and you're not able to find time to engage with the game so you would have your own knowledge to back things up with.

not sheeping is a playstyle choice irregardless of this game. Perhaps I have to be more lenient for now. If I sheeped someone onto you, would you appreciate that better though than me saying "gut" ?

By way of analogy, you can't sit down on the ground and scream that you're lost in the wilderness and then refuse help from the forest ranger because you want to find your own way out. Either stand up and start trying to find your way out or follow the conftown.

Since when is following confirmtown a winning strategy, they could be wrong. How is wanting to add my own judgement not beneficial? I suppose I'm stubborn, sure.

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So it makes it easier to figure out if I agree

what?!?!

This is what I'm saying I want to figure out if I agree this is why I don't sheep people in general, I got to know for myself.

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I'll say it. The Lynx wagon is crap. I have no idea what it's based off of and people just seem to be riding off each others votes? Orci, are you willing to explain this read and why you are voting Lynx?

could be trying to get suspicion off of buddy.

Yeah, I'm not really supportive of the two main wagons. ABR, I am getting a town read on. I just don't see in any way how he could be acting as scum and no one's explained it to me. Lynx/DedicatedScribe wagon seems like a policy lynch to me.

SMP on the other hand, I feel comfortable leaving my vote on for a bit.
VOTE: SMP

tries to discredit and deflect onto a new wagon.

unfortunately I don't like discussing my Cabd read in front of Cabd

Yeah, no. That's not how this game works, orci. You don't just get to opt out of reading a player because you don't like to publically state it.

Posting lackluster content to appear busy.

Unfortunate that my vote's just going to stay on you, isn't it?

pushes further

But I dunno, maybe it's just how close he is to ffery and ceph? But I guess if he's a universal townread that makes sense? I dunno.

Starting to get unsure

Sorry. alright, well I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. My vote stays.

getting further unsure

Nah. I was getting way too angry over what is just a game.

Backs away

Where's the brightline, STD? When does shitposting become a scumtell?

More posting content to post content

Ok. My vote's moving over to flubber.

VOTE: flubbernugget

slides vote off.

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I can't do you in 3 minutes Boo, I'm sorry.

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I also naked vote a lot.

I'm also being a star whore, I've blatantly admitted this.

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Hi, I'm scum, I'm going to blatantly confess to scummy things as opposed to lurking which seems like a great strategy for hiding in this game considering all the heavy hitters who would be more than happy to ignore me while they figure each other out.

yeah yeah i know wifom w/e

now explain how my play this game fits with my scum meta

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Also this is a thing

Now, for why I voted MafiaSSK:

MafiaSSK, can you demonstrate a list of reads, or even give a few?

pedit: Sup!

Your attack on orc seems a bit like "look how town I am! Look at me! I'm town and I'm totally helping!" It's strange because I don't really recall you doing much of anything this entire game (yeah there hasn't been a lot of time that the game has been ongoing, so that's fine, but I question its genuineness.)

I think it's pretty clear that this vote was bothersome. He jumped onto a townread of mine and had
done nothing else. It seemed suspicious to me and enough for a vote.

Then there was this:

I didn't like his post I quoted in my vote. I've softened my stance as I've seen him talk, but there's also something bothering me about how he was pretty confrontational at first and then took a more humble, apologetic stance. I'm thinking now.

Like I mentioned earlier, his post triggered my vote. As he was under scrutiny and pressure from a bunch of people asking him questions at the same time, his strong attacks against orc turned into more statements of appease ment.

My thought process, which I recognize you do not have access to, is that at first he was trying to AtE to take some heat off of him, but as time went by I lost that impression. Being obstinate with his vote and some of his responses made me feel I might have been wrong. I was voting him for one post, not because he was the scummiest scum on the face of the earth.

combined with connections with Lynx, seems like a good vote to me.

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hey

saki

you're being a piece of shit again

yeah I've noticed

like, thanks for reminding me, man

See you in 5 days

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People I wish were not on this wagon: ABR (for obvious reasons) and STD, who seems too busy to do anything but pop in and collect stars.

And make a case on the person I'm voting! You forgot that.

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My message did not reveal its source, it said "you have received a message"

I got it N1.

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My message did not reveal its source, it said "you have received a message"

I got it N1.

so why did wuerg say you got it from hawke?

you're asking the wrong person

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Thanks Nati

My target was Ffery

There was no way in hell I was going to succeed so I just wanted them to NK ffery so I could become town.

I never received a message N1, I lied about it to try and pretend it was an amnesiac cop, i was going to come out with a guilty on ffery on the day that I could only have Blue Moon vote since i figured convincing 3 people to vote for a target would be easier than convincing a whole town.

...but then there was a scum messenger and I rode that for townie points instead.

I'm not sure what I would have done today, I couldn't think up another plan, probably would have just hoped for the best.

Guess I was off about Saki and Boo :/

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Bookitty join Survivor Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60002

I swear I won't scumread you this time

actually i can't promise this

but i still <3 you

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I meant bookitty

but I <3 you too ABR

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I respect you but I wouldn't go so far as to saying we share something.

unrequited <3

i'll live

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Thanks for putting up with me everyone and looking forward to playing again when I'm in a better place and stuff haha.

Cheet you were awesome

Sorry I misread you

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Hey I understand. I get pissy too and have been way worse than you were. I don't really take anything personal.