Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

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Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

Hi! You should probably die, then.

VOTE: Skitty

Wheee, I finally paid attention and posted in a game without getting replaced.

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Wow, this game is very silly already.

Regarding Untrod Tripod's cult thing, can't we all just ignore it and make sure no town people target him with an ability? I believe him and I think he is probably a townsperson, so I don't see the harm in just letting him live.

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I want to vote the survivor claim because it's probably not a survivor!

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Hmm.

ooba

, why do you believe I'm a cult something?

And, do you believe the Survivor claim?

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Out of the list of policy lynches, that's the worst one.

I'm not following -- what do you mean by policy lynch?

This isn't a policy lynch, if by policy lynch you are talking about wanting to lynch someone on principle, not in a specific game-related context.

I have actual in-game reasons for wanting to lynch them!

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Hmm, okay. Well, I don't want to claim just yet, but I have reason to believe they are lying because of my role PM.

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ooba

, you think I'm cult because I don't want to lynch UT, correct? I also didn't want anyone to target him. Since it's possible for that statement to come from both town and cult, why do you think I'm more likely to be cult than town?

Wisdom

, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

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Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

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Why isn't anyone commenting on the fact that my claim contradicts Skitty's claim?

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Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

This generally just adds to the "Skitty is prob scum" point. Although, if you win with only mafia or town, why didn't you push to lynch UT?

~Wis

Well, I've never been a survivor before, so I'm unsure the best way to ensure my survival. I think, if town thinks I'm working against them in any way, I'll be an immediate lynch. So I'm trying to do what I think is good for town in order to be helpful. Mafia will likely not waste a kill on me, so that's my best bet.

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P-edit: @Major: I don't see the contradiction between the two roles.

You don't see a contradiction between two roles, both being survivors, having different win conditions? Why can I only win with town/mafia, but Skitty can win with any alignment?

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Why isn't anyone commenting on the fact that my claim contradicts Skitty's claim?

Because you didn't claim. You said your role may contradict the survivors roles which means nothing really.

I am against lynching the survivor and would prefer a vig shot on him. Claiming survivor day 1 isn't very smart so I am not sure what the underlying motive there is.

EDIT: Unless the meta read on NS is true.

Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

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Also, I'm going with some friends to see a play tonight and will be spending the evening with them, so I might not be around to post much until tomorrow afternoon. Just a heads up!

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P-edit: @Major: I don't see the contradiction between the two roles.

You don't see a contradiction between two roles, both being survivors, having different win conditions? Why can I only win with town/mafia, but Skitty can win with any alignment?

Given the possibility of cult, no I do not.

So I have to specifically only win with mafia/town, while Skitzy has the same alignment/role as me but wins with mafia, town, cult, Serial Killer, or whatever other wonky alignments exist?

Do you not think that's a little ridiculous?

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Still out of town, I'm posting on my phone. I should be able to make note substantial posts later. I'm caught up though.

I don't want to lynch UT.

Dramonic has bad content but is probably town for his demeanor.

I really just can't read somnic's posts, it's nothing personal and I mean no offense! I just can't read them.

DeathNote strikes me as scummy.

Will of Heaven is very town.

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I don't want to lynch UT.

why?

He's either town for this, in which case I don't want to lynch town... Or, he's lying and is an anti town role that wants to be lynched. Either way, lynching him seems bad.

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ZZZX, if you believe UT is mafia, it's highly likely he's a role that needs to die or wants to die via lynch. I don't think lynching him is smart.

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ZZZX, if you believe UT is mafia, it's highly likely he's a role that needs to die or wants to die via lynch. I don't think lynching him is smart.

well there are 3 things:

1- It is a gambit prob

2- IF he is mafia we have to lynch him anyway at some point

3- Its a damn gambit. and if he was honest then lynching him is helpful anyway

We probably have a vigilante of some kind that could deal with him.

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I'm a town role that converts all players who target me to a cult. despite my alignment the negative utility is too strong to keep me alive. the best advancement of my wincon, from my perspective, is my D1 lynch.

That doesn't really play out in my head. Even if you're super negative utility, this is a numbers game. And I believe having the numbers is more important than the possibility of a cult.

I also think, if there is a cult in this game, it's unlikely that you're the passive, sole source of cultists in the game. I mean, I haven't played that much here, but on other sites I've never seen a game start with absolutely zero cult. I think, if you're town and this is actually your role, it may be too late to deal with it.

Also, if scum redirect to you, wouldn't they get culted as well?

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I don't want to lynch UT.

Yeah I hate it when people say shit like this.

I apologize. As I said, I was out of town and phone posting, so I was trying to be concise. I believe, though, if you don't just take one post out of context and use my other posts as well, you'll see I've greatly explained why I don't want to lynch him.

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Wow, this game is very silly already.

Regarding Untrod Tripod's cult thing, can't we all just ignore it and make sure no town people target him with an ability? I believe him and I think he is probably a townsperson, so I don't see the harm in just letting him live.

and this, lads, is cult!

sigh

I will redirect you to my post addressing ooba when he levied similar accusations against me.

ooba

, you think I'm cult because I don't want to lynch UT, correct? I also didn't want anyone to target him. Since it's possible for that statement to come from both town and cult, why do you think I'm more likely to be cult than town?

[Major Minor]

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

skitty, why did you claim this? don't you know that survivor is a policy lycn?

Holy shit the coaching.

VOTE: Shos scum flip here is basically confscum Skitty ^_^

Why is it only one directional with the flip? Why can't we lynch Skitty first? Wouldn't the tell play out both ways?

Also, have you actually seen in-thread scum coaching like that before in a game?

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Urgh. Sorry about the spam posting, I'm just kind of replying to things as I see them. I'll try to tone it down.

My DeathNote scum read comes from the fact that a large portion of his ISO is filled with setup theory talk instead of content or scumhunting, and he has been very protective over Skitty in his posts (someone else I have a scumread on).

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(I have to admit, it's pretty difficult to get motivated to really dig into a game when my first real game back on the site is as a third-party role that just has to stay alive forever.)

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after I die it'd be super cool if you all took note of all the people who were interested in potentially adding 3rd party power roles to the mix!

Hey,

Untrod Tripod

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1) Do you think a desire to add in 3rd party power roles is inherently alignment indicative?
2) Do you believe every person not advocating your lynch actually believes your claim and is doing it purposefully?
3) Why have you seemingly checked out just because you want yourself lynched D1? Instead of repeating your desire to be lynched over and over, assuming that in your worst case scenario we don't lynch you, you should try to leave behind some reads or content for us.

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I hate write ups from my phone but I'm not coming home til the AM and his needs to be posted.


Untrod Tripod has been executed. He was...

Muk - Town Purple Goo

Votes have been reset. Days continues. With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to lynch.

Hmmm. A quick Google shows that a Purple Goo doesn't make someone a cult, it swaps roles. Why would UT lie like that?

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The continued insistence that I'm a cultist is getting scummier and scummier. It makes no sense for me, as a cultist, to counterclaim a survivor D1. Furthermore, I don't see where my suggestion regarding how to handle UT is a cult-like move.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia do a ctrl-f for 'goo'

I still don't see Purple Goo on there. I see Black Goo = cult, and that matches up with the link that I posted as well. Did you even read the link you provided, or the flip?

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The insistence on vigging me, specifically, is where the scumminess lies. Scum have motivation to persuade town vigilantes to waste their shots on me.

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When did survivor become an anti-town role? I'm neutrally-aligned, with a potential to be very pro-town.

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Hi, adorkable! Mind giving me your top 3 town reads?

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That's still not an anti-town role. My role is not inherently anti-town like, say, a Serial Killer or mafia faction. Suggesting it's a valuable thing for town to use shots on me is not a very town motivated suggestion unless you're claiming you believe me to be a serial killer or mafia faction (or cult).

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Maybe I'm not being clear: the definition of anti-town is literally a role whose win condition is not congruent with town's, ergo making them anti-town. I do not fit that criteria.

Town wins by eliminating the people that have conflicting win conditions with their own. Ergo, it's not pro-town's wincon to go after people who do not have conflicting win conditions.

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There is no reason I deserve to die here, especially because I can win with town.

Please don't call me mate, we are not friends.

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Okay, well, apologies on the 'mate' thing. But I see no reason to continue discussing this with you when you're thick headed and refusing to see any alternative viewpoints.

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*facepalm*

I guess your content is as bad as I feared. -_-

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I'm... not even sure what you're trying to imply?

I feel as though we may not get along, so let's try to stay out of each other's way.

@Kise: Can you confirm whether 'Purple Goo' is the role name being used in the traditional definition?

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I don't see why we would lynch me prior to the phase before endgame (LYLO? MYLO?).

Don't bother wasting resources on me unless we get to the point where you guys are actually afraid that leaving me alive will hurt the town. But if we focus on ACTUALLY LYNCHING MAFIA MEMBERS instead of setup speculation, emotional childfighting, and survivor lynching... we won't ever NEED to lynch me.

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Southern Belles

: Thank you, I appreciate the kind words. I hope I'll be a help to the town!

But please, can Will of Heaven / Southern Belles / mental somnic stop this stupid fighting/spamfest/crying? It's just bogging down the thread with stuff that honestly should be dealt with outside of the thread.

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Yes, GGG's invisibly shifting opinion when it's convenient strikes me as off.

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Hey, dramonic, do you not speak English well? I'm not trying to be rude, I just sometimes think when I read your posts that maybe you don't really understand?

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But please, can Will of Heaven / Southern Belles / mental somnic stop this stupid fighting/spamfest/crying? It's just bogging down the thread with stuff that honestly should be dealt with outside of the thread.

Where have we been spamfesting, exactly? There being emotions in what's happening currently doesn't mean that everything being posted is useless.

I'm not saying it invalidates it or anything.

I'm saying that I don't want to read a bunch of personal emotional turmoil between people who have known each other awhile. These references to other games and historic events really mean nothing to me.

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Oh, I see.

Well, the number of people that think I'm helpful to town is greater than the number that think you are!
What value do you feel you have provided outside of snarky comments and ad hominem? Because I don't see much content from you and while I originally thought your demeanor seemed town despite your dearth of content, others are less convinced.

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@Dramonic:: You're spending an awful lot of time sniping at neutral slots instead of trying to do anything to find mafia. Do you think this will change?

@ooba: I see no reason to work under the assumption of a cult with Untrod Tripod dead. It's certainly possible, as I explained before, but so is a Serial Killer, second mafia faction, and an infinite number of possibilities. UT could be the only source of a cult, or there could already be one. I don't know that it's possible to determine one way or the other without flip or confirmation. Upon reflection, it would seem slightly overpowered if a cultist already exists that can convert people, AND UT could convert people.

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Wow, that is IMO a very bad attitude to have. If you don't provide value as town, you're a lynch liability, barring an investigative claim.

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Trying to lynch me isn't lynching the opposition, since you haven't indicated you disbelieve my claim.

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100% correct? Then you agree, I'm not the opposition?

Do you not see how wasting time trying to go after me instead of actual opposing alignments is a fool's errand?

ESPECIALLY this early in the game. If we're on a later Day and have no dead scum and you're starting to sweat, I could understand it.

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Sorry, still here. Getting a little bogged down in work right now, I should have more time later.

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VOTE: ArcAngel

I'm having a hard time staying interested in a game where my only goal is to survive. I'm REALLY trying to have an active interest.

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Hi! I'm V/LA for holiday stuff, will be back after New Year's.