(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

[Alchemist21]

/Roger roger.

<<< Hey! That wasn't the droid I was looking for! >>>

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Fluminator

[Alchemist21]

So, does everyone else have once again a fabulously powerful role that makes you certain your side can't lose?

I got a rock.

Hey, rocks are an awesome gift. They represent durability and strength of character, unshattering, unfazed by the manners of the world, having the power to be thrown and cause harm yet the sedentary nature to never do so. It's a great compliment to get a rock! >>>

[Alchemist21]

What kind of bastard game would it be if we didn't quicklynch D1?

Ankamius is scum. Guarantee it.

Why?

Also, this game blows my pet theory that muffin was a mastin alt :p

I am an x-shot daycop whose results are 100% accurate, no matter what. I got a guilty. Speedlynch, let's go.

You're joking, right?

[Alchemist21]

I'm here. But good luck figuring out my alignment. Even I can't figure it out. Lol

VOTE: Titus

FOS: Ank

Farside did not attack or discredit Pregerine. Crappy push, mates.

[Alchemist21]

No.

[Alchemist21]

Yes.

[Alchemist21]

You try figuring out what alignment Town-Shunned Miller Godfather is.

[Alchemist21]

Something confusing, I'm sure.

[Alchemist21]

There's a wincon, but it doesn't help.

[Alchemist21]

Eh, I doubt your lying about your role name. It could still end up being scum though.
I thought you were joking about not knowing your alignment though. That was a joke right?

My wincon is "to have fun." Not exactly alignment indicative if you ask me.

[Alchemist21]

Rainbow

[Alchemist21]

It says, "Your win condition is to have fun in this game!"

[Alchemist21]

Wow. So much stuff.

Don't know what to think about Alchemist. It's possible that he's lying, but I wouldn't put it past this game to have his claimed role.

VOTE: Titus

FOS: Ank

Farside did not attack or discredit Pregerine. Crappy push, mates.

Why vote Titus, but only give reasons for pressure on Ank? Also, I'm pretty sure Farside did attack Peregrine.

Disliking Farside and Pine. I think claiming miller is a null-tell, but I've only heard of cops giving a guilty or not guilty. Just seems strange, to me.

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Pine

My reason applies to both. Titus said Farside attacked Pere, and Ank agreed. They both jumped on a Farside wagon for a terrible reason.

[Alchemist21]

Didn't something like this happen with Wisdom and Mollie in GIF's Touhou game?

[Alchemist21]

Do the Communists and Fascists have an ongoing Non-Aggression Pact?

<<< Who knows? Hitler screws everything up. >>>

[Alchemist21]

Was Ank or Pine the one who claimed Communist?

[Alchemist21]

Oh. If it was Ank, I would be inclined to think Fascist is a role modifier that's somehow linked to the Communists since Ank said there were parts to his role he wasn't going to discuss yet.

[Alchemist21]

There's a cop modifier called stoned?

[Alchemist21]

I'd be a little lenient on the discrepency of whether Fascist is a role or a faction, but Eddie saying he's hunting a specific faction is enough for my vote.

VOTE: Eddie

Also,

@Mod, the last VC has Eddie voting for himself when it shouldn't.

<<< I DID say I didn't have time to proofread it. But it's been fixed. >>>

[Alchemist21]

Mastin: do all cops get traditional town/mafia results?

<<< I cannot answer that, sorry. >>>

Mastin answering this question in this way indicates that Titus was lying by her claim to have received an answer from Mastin.

Titus also immediately criticized the way Eyestott worded the question, so to be fair it's possible Titus worded it a little more specifically.

@Titus, please ask the question to the mod in-thread in the same way you asked via PM.

[Alchemist21]

Also anchovies you should already prepare your reasoning for Sheeping scum, we'd all LOVE to hear it.

Who is Anchovies?

Crap, let me fix the quotes:

So you think that three members of a single scumteam all claimed miller type roles and willingly drew a ton of attention to ourselves early game as well as giving town and possibly another faction free information about the setup without getting any setup information in return whatsoever, while also painting a wide target on their heads for other scumteams and/or a serial killer type role if one ends up being considered significantly town later on?

That's a gambit that has just about every disadvantage a scumteam would want to avoid and basically no upsides. Your reasoning makes no sense.

I believe millers like to out themselves Day1 to avoid mislynches caused by cop investigations. So nothing unusual there.

In post 156 Pine claimed Town Communist Miller. Not the sort of title that rolls off the tongue, is it?
And then Eddie calls the Fascists a faction.

Communist. Fascists. 2 + 2, my friend.

You and the other commies jumped out and claimed miller to avoid being called out as commie scum.

At least that's how it looks to me.

<<< Removed the spare quote tag at the end of the post. I'd like to also point out that I DO offer quotefail fixes for free; you don't even have to ask. If I can fix it, I will try to. >>>

Even if you inherently distrust Miller claims, it's just unreasonable to think they're all from the same scum team.

Are you a Communist?

Why not just ask what alignment they are? Why the focus on just communists, unless you have reason to think this is a singleball?

Did you read the conversation?
Are you assuming communists are a mafia faction? What do you think of Eddie's claim of being a town fascist?
Also, who is that in your avatar. I can't help but think it's a hobbit.

1: Well, yeah.
2: Well, yeah. Are you assuming they arent? we have someone specificall claiming to show up as a faction other than what they are. I dont see a non communist mafia claiming communist miller.
IMO communist miller claim is either made by a communist or a communist miller.
3: I need to look more at Eddie's claim, but at the moment, I dont like the inconsistencies, and I'm certainly not going to unvote because of them.
4: It's Fran Kranz, an actor. The character is Marty Mikalski from Cabin in the Woods.

1: Well there ya go!
2: I think Mastin deliberately created a setup to confuse us and mislead us. We have a person claiming to be a rainbow colored miller-godfather who's win condition is to have fun. (How you doing on your wincon Alch?) I'm not assuming anything.
3: Could you list out all the inconsistencies for me?
4: Intersting. He probably would make a good Bilbo Baggins.

I'm getting bored waiting for Nobody Special. Mathdino and Arcangel haven't done anything yet either. Are they planning on playing?
VOTE: Toon Fighter He hasn't posted much, but 159 was scummy. Anyone else want to take a look and see if they agree?
Who are some of your town reads Toon Fighter?

Also, Eddie, I think you should just spill all the beans. The votes on you are not going to go away with you staying elusive.

I'm doing great. Lol. I can't tell you about Arc, but Mathdino hasn't even been on the site since this game was still in signups. I don't know what happened.

<<< If Mathdino has not posted, he is eligible for a prod as of tonight, Sunday night. Thus, I will be checking on him before I go to bed tonight. >>>

[Alchemist21]

I'm still thinking Titus and Ank are partners.

[Alchemist21]

What's your case for them being partners?

It's still coming from their early oush on farside, and that Titus is Townreadin Ank for no apparant reason. Titus looks scummier than Ank right now to me.

Alchemist:
How do you have fun?
Who decides if you've had enough fun to win?
If we help you have fun, can you help the town to win?

I have fun playing the game and learning to get better at it. The main thing I want to take away from this game is being able to handle large games. I also like how this game has a good mix of players I have and haven't played with before.

I'm not sure how it's decided. Post-game evaluation maybe?

Of course I'll help Town win. In this game I'm going to focus more on wagons and peoples' reasons for being on those wagons as my main scumhunting tool. We were promised misdirection by the mod, so I'm willing to consider PR results, but if there are heavy elements of doubt then I'm going with my own reads on those matters.

[Alchemist21]

Who is this "Alive" person?

That'd be me. I've been lurking because this game is fast and large and I'm like "wow I have no clue what's going on". (Probably shouldn't have jumped straight from Newbie to Large games, but oh well that's what I did so I'll handle it.)

He's number 15 on the list on page 1.

Off-topic: I know my pronouns are only listed in the profiley bits that you can't see because they only show up next to my posts, which I haven't been making, but you really should default to "they" when you don't have that information. /off-topic


On the topic of the actual game, there's a thing I don't get.

Why is EddieFenix's use of the word "faction" in association with his role considered so suspicious?

Klingoncelt and Wisdom are springing immediately to mind, but anyone who's thought that can answer.

Eddie it looks like is claiming that Fascist is both a role AND a faction. Imagine someone saying they were a member of the Cops or the Vigs.

[Alchemist21]

Holy shit I just failed hard with my grammar at the beginning of that sentence.

[Alchemist21]

What's your case for them being partners?

It's still coming from their early oush on farside, and that Titus is Townreadin Ank for no apparant reason. Titus looks scummier than Ank right now to me.

Alchemist:
How do you have fun?
Who decides if you've had enough fun to win?
If we help you have fun, can you help the town to win?

I have fun playing the game and learning to get better at it. The main thing I want to take away from this game is being able to handle large games. I also like how this game has a good mix of players I have and haven't played with before.

I'm not sure how it's decided. Post-game evaluation maybe?

Of course I'll help Town win. In this game I'm going to focus more on wagons and peoples' reasons for being on those wagons as my main scumhunting tool. We were promised misdirection by the mod, so I'm willing to consider PR results, but if there are heavy elements of doubt then I'm going with my own reads on those matters.

Do you have any abilities that help you to have fun?

Nope. The fact that people are jesalous of my role is compensation enough though. Lol

[Alchemist21]

What's your case for them being partners?

It's still coming from their early oush on farside, and that Titus is Townreadin Ank for no apparant reason. Titus looks scummier than Ank right now to me.

Alchemist:
How do you have fun?
Who decides if you've had enough fun to win?
If we help you have fun, can you help the town to win?

I have fun playing the game and learning to get better at it. The main thing I want to take away from this game is being able to handle large games. I also like how this game has a good mix of players I have and haven't played with before.

I'm not sure how it's decided. Post-game evaluation maybe?

Of course I'll help Town win. In this game I'm going to focus more on wagons and peoples' reasons for being on those wagons as my main scumhunting tool. We were promised misdirection by the mod, so I'm willing to consider PR results, but if there are heavy elements of doubt then I'm going with my own reads on those matters.

So thought on the Eddie wagon from you please.

Pine: are you considered a miller? You stated you are show as a communist?

I like the Eddie wagon; I'm even part of it. :p

Everyone had the same basic reasons for joining the wagon (claiming Fascist as a role AND a faction + stating he's hunting a specific faction). I think it's a pretty solid wagon for these reasons against him.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Titus

Thanks for pointing out that game, FIN3.

[Alchemist21]

Can we stop the setup spec now? There have been too many D1 cop claims because of it.

[Alchemist21]

Hi. To the syntax arguement.

The syntax of the role PMs is <faction> <modifier> <role>

Eddie is 100% confirmed town.

No he isn't.

He could be making up his Role PM, a safeclaim.

Mastin

never

confirmed him.

Because Mastin CAN'T step in as a mod and go, "guize!!! Eddie's town!!! Leave him be and look elsewhere for your scum. Tee-hee." It's up to the group as a whole through their own wheel houses (aka heads) and put 2 and 2 together.

Inb4 Eddie is secretly an IC.

[Alchemist21]

@Mollie, he did call me the ProHawk of this game before he called muffin that.

[Alchemist21]

chichirro and flum thing - unsure, they are making an impression on neither of us.

No impression eh? Remember this.


Also, I'm quite confident in my read on Toon Fighter now. Wisdom's post was a nice catch.
On one of Toon's first posts. he was like, "Awesome is scummy, but Wisdom going against him is scummy too" He seemed to be throwing around suspicion for the giggles. His unvote of Eddie also looked forced.
I still wonder if the change in styles on his reads list mean anything.
Toon Fighter: Would you be willing to vote Muffin with me?

Let me get this straight. You're scum reading Toonfighter, but asking him if he'll join a wagon with you?

P.S. I'm a little disappointed Dino couldn't join this party. Fingers still crossed he shows up before getting replaced.

[Alchemist21]

Do you have any completed games as scum?

[Alchemist21]

What's your read on Toon?

Null. I haven't paid much attention to him.

And I missed him. So sad.
Another question I want you to answer when you get back is whether you believe Titus's cop claim? You implied that you did, yet you are still voting for her.

I'm a little hesitant to believe the claim, but I won't say it can't be true. Even if Titus isn't cop, I think Eddie could be a kind of Cop. I really think setup spec should stop now, partly because of all the claims flying around and causing confusion, and partly because the roles in this game could be misleading and scum could try to capitalize on that. I'd rather judge player interactions and motivations for joining wagons to scumhunt in this game.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: ProHawk

I think that was uncalled for.

[Alchemist21]

Poke received.

If Klingon is claiming fruit vendor, I'm willing to believe the claim, particularly if Mollie confirms it.

Can someone give me a summed up version of the TF case?

[Alchemist21]

This is a scrubbing/healing bubble. What it does is wipe away frustrations from previous games and let's you start anew here.

Let's all hold hands and be friends, except scum we need to hang those fuckers.

Acting on my his behalf, I am here to inform you that my patron, Mr. Clean, wishes to lend his tools and weapons to your cause.

[Alchemist21]

*hacks the scumputer*

<<< I'm impressed that you managed to hack it, given how hard her password is to guess. But good luck DECRYPTING the scumputer; just because you've hacked it doesn't mean you've CRACKED it! >>>

[Alchemist21]

How dare you! That's practically a national treasure!

So's the Declaration of Independence. That didn't stop me from stealing it for the map on the back of it.

<<< Does that mean you've got a hot-yet-skeptical girlfriend, a nerdy sidekick, and a jaded grandfather? Or just that you've got no acting talent? >>>

[Alchemist21]

I really need to check my ISO more often for Mastin edits. Lol

<<< Never a day goes by where I don't iso my own posts for Mastin edits! >>>

Also, VOTE: Shos

Pressure voting the V/LA is lol worthy.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: DGb

VOTE: shos

You have castes more bandwagon sheepy votes than anyone. Something's not right here.

Pirate ika is almost certainly scum hiding Mollie from me at this point.

Titus is scum.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: DGb

VOTE: shos

You have castes more bandwagon sheepy votes than anyone. Something's not right here.

Pirate ika is almost certainly scum hiding Mollie from me at this point.

Titus is scum.

why?

I think anyone who accuses Mollie of hiding behind a hydra head is scum. I also haven't forgotten Titus' and Ank's early push on Farside.

[Alchemist21]

Personal experience with mollie makes me believe that Mollie isn't the kind of person to hide behind a hydra head.

[Alchemist21]

that doesn't make whoever argues it scum

I think it does when the other person also knows Mollie, which Titus certainly seems to do.

[Alchemist21]

Personal experience with mollie makes me believe that Mollie isn't the kind of person to hide behind a hydra head.

Even so, hydras should be treated as a single player since they have a single role. One head or the other making the majority of the posts is just a sign of comparative availability or confidence in their reads in a particular game.

Tell that to Titus. I don't care if one head posts more than the other. Titus was saying Ika was hiding Mollie from her.

[Alchemist21]

I think you voting Shos is the only change since the VC on page 62.

[Alchemist21]

Edit: Ohm and Chihiro's unvote.

[Alchemist21]

Some townies will gambit like that to draw the scum nightkill away from actual powerful town roles.

[Alchemist21]

Don't recall you having a scum read on Jack, shos.


Anyways here is what I have on Alchemist.


town game
town game

Above are links to the games in question but for me Alchemist has always been more open and talkative about his reads on players and has a very forceful behavior in both games. There is a thought process and questions, thinks he get to the heart of.
Plus as you see both games I was scum and we haven't played any other games then those two I would think he would be more paranoid of me after I had tricked him twice.

Go read check my play in GIF's Tohou II game. I was pretty aloof in that game (hence my replace out) due to the size and volume of it. I was hesitant to even join this game, but Mastin asked nicely. I probably would be more paranoid of you if it hadn't been for Titus' and Ank's early push on you. Of course, if this is multiball, maybe I should be more wary of you. :p

Also, there's something I noticed about Flum. When I first claimed, he believed the claim 100%. Now that there are a few people doubting me, he suddenly talks about how I'm "not being completely honest." To me this looks like scum that wanted to push a scumread on me for something that could be viewed as suspicious, but didn't want to push it until a few other players also had suspicions so he wouldn't draw attention to himself over it.

VOTE: Flum

[Alchemist21]

Also, there's something I noticed about Flum. When I first claimed, he believed the claim 100%. Now that there are a few people doubting me, he suddenly talks about how I'm "not being completely honest." To me this looks like scum that wanted to push a scumread on me for something that could be viewed as suspicious, but didn't want to push it until a few other players also had suspicions so he wouldn't draw attention to himself over it.

VOTE: Flum

I've been having this totally Gut feeling that Flum is scum. Just saying.

Alch, thoughts on Shos and Toon?

I was in the Shos wagon because he dropped that vote on the V/LA player. If he was trying to tell us that he didn't realize the player was V/LA then he did a poor job of it the first time, because the first posts to say that sounded like he was judging the lack of a response as a legit reaction. Bulba says he's not scum though, and I'm townreading him, so I'm more willing to believe that Shos just derped up the explanation.

I'm completely null on Toon. What are people scumreading Toon for?

[Alchemist21]

@Toonfighter, why did you claim? We're still 4 days from DL and you weren't at L-1.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Shos

I ISO'd TF and didn't see any thing scummy. I'd rather have a shos lynch than a TF lynch.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Shos

I ISO'd TF and didn't see any thing scummy. I'd rather have a shos lynch than a TF lynch.

No response to my response to you?

TF is just typical mislynch fodder.

The point that the shos wagon is shady is bullshit if you consider this is likely multiball. shos is the better lynch no matter what way you look at this.

No. I disagree.
Even if this is multiball, there are a lot of sketchy people on the wagon that don't look like bussing. I think the chance he would flip scum is rather low.
The main crux of the case against him I've seen are his awkward pressure votes, his reaction to the wagon, and he's in a neighborhood. Am I missing anything?

I looked back at the covo. I was wrong about you scumreading me, but on the other hand you apparantly trusted my claim enough to unvote me, and then repeat it as fact later on. We were both partially wrong in that last exchange so I just dropped it.

Going to take another look at TF for Bulba.

Although @ Bulba, you seem to be arguing TF is scum because his posts don't seem to come from a Town mindset, but do they seem to come from a scum mindset to you?

[Alchemist21]

I don't get that feeling reading TF's posts. I think you're scumreading him for how he worded a few posts, and you're the one who can't see past surface-scummy.

[Alchemist21]

It's ironic I'm being nice to Ika when eyestott is the one who made him upset.

How is that ironic?

[Alchemist21]

***Bah post***

Su...gar....

[Alchemist21]

Thanks for hosting, Mastin!

Even though I died early, this game was pretty fun while it lasted. I think I acheived my special wincon. :p