Reck's Retrospective Rehash - OVER (thx obama)

[ZZZX]

- His attack itself is built on stuff unknowable to a town player (IE Me, JMJ, AD cases are based on an assumption of alignments of others and other unknowable factors)

:unknowable factors:?

if I am dead as town and a pr saved the town somehow by docing or w.e

then you know that at least there are 2 scum in You/jmj/bella

if you get lynched and flip scum we know that there is scum between jmj/bella 100%

and if jmj flips anytihng but godfather ad is scum 100%

am I missing something?

[ZZZX]

also interesting quetion. why would I go for your lynch if I was scum instead of the "easier to lynch" ad?

[ZZZX]

How the fuck did you prove that?

I wont answer because you didnt read the post where i fucking eXPLAINED THE WHOLE (****)ing thing.

HEADSMASH

[ZZZX]

also interesting quetion. why would I go for your lynch if I was scum instead of the "easier to lynch" ad?

I dunno. Why do scum do anything? Because you thought you could swing a lynch on me, would be my guess, or one of a million reasons I cannot possibly know. You've got him listed in your scumreads, and he's actually at L-3. Why AREN'T you voting him if you are town and think he is scum, instead of the easy scum lynch?

We're in fucking lylo ffs remember? Shouldn't you be trying to secure a lynch on your scumread instead of fucking about on vanity wagons and asking people to trust you?

arent you like uhhh

my fuckign scum read?

AD is a sitautional scum read. he is scum / town depending on jmj lynch later on.

[ZZZX]

You can say that all you like. You saying anything doesn't prove your own towness. Like, even a little bit.

so you mean that in other words:

"Try to defend or prove you are town scum. Since I am scum I know you are town and then no matter what you say its meaningless because if i was town i might think about understanding but as scum why does whatever you post matter huh"

-11/10 would vote again

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Effort is not equal to town. I agree. I stand by my statement.
And are you accusing me of not using logic?
Isn't a spreadsheet basically a visual representation of logic?
Do you honestly think the spreadsheet is the only tool I'm using this game?

spread sheat wasnt that much of an amazing thing. its just another way to express thoughts. using or not using it does not change your allignment. also i dont think that spreadsheet did that much good anyway

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You cannot know that. You assume the quickhammer, but you don't know scumnumbers, plus the lack of quickhammer on you is probably more indicitave of you, AS A FUCKING BP, not being quickhammered by scum now that you are sitting on 3 votes. Furthermore, and again, I read everything. I disagree with your logic, you should try responding to my actual questions.

the only case where its true is that if scum had 3 people. and then I would just suck it up and accept the facts that i would die and even if i ended up mislynching we would not lose the game.

however since we are prob in lylo then we must do the action with th ehighest chance of wining. considering scum as 3 is wrong. considering the worst case senario is the best move.

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More on your scumteam vote;

Why does Bella not make it onto the scum slot labelled ????, or appear anywhere near a potential scum team?
Why am I a safer lynch, when you could lynch one of AD or JMJ and get juicy role information from them that helps confirm the alignment of the other?

an AD lynch wont give us any info first.

I believe you are more likely to be scum. i would not lynch for info at lylo.

and i dont feel bella is scum. and I doubt the whole scum team is on my wagon.

[ZZZX]

You can't know scum numbers, you can't know this is lylo, AD has a much stronger chance of not ending the game over theoretical town you, and you just simply cannot make statements like this. If AD is town, we could go to 9 tomorrow if you are scum, or 8. This points to you being scum, not the BP, if you think there are 4 scum. If you think there are 3 scum, then AD being quickhammered is no guarantee of gamewin due to night actions. Scum have to land a succesful NK, and if it fails then the game is won by town lynching quickhammer folks. Furthermore, the fact that AD wasn't quickhammered ALSO POINTS TOWARD YOU NOT BEING A FUCKING BP.

how is that?

if ad is lynch

i die

one more townie dies

4v4

gg

...?

how does the fact that ad wasnt quick hammered point that I am not a BP?

if there is at least 1 scum at his wagon and he was town then he cant be quick hammered.

if he was scum he cant be quick hammered.

so it depends on how it goes.

if jmj flips godfather f.e we know that at least one of the people on his wagon is scum or he is scum.

if scum ended up killing 1-2 of them then its basically an easy game

[ZZZX]

4burner i wish you can ask questions that were not answered 5 times in a row instead of asking me to answer your questions (that you never asked and/or were answered by my posts)

[ZZZX]

Let me make it easy for you. read my whole posts before pressing the reply button.

go and write down your questions and nothing else

and ill see how bad your reading skills are and/or answer any question that is actually legit.

[ZZZX]

Half of that is built of the fact that if I am dead but its funny.

How is responding to me bad unless you are scum? Town can't be afraid of posting but scum can slip.

Your move

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Ok. AD lynch won't give us any info? How? If AD flips cop, that looks pretty great on JMJ, doubly so if his block lands somewhere trackable.
I'm more likely to be scum, but you still maintain AD is a scumread? We are how many hours from deadline and you are solo wagoning against a 3 deep high scumread that you could put at l-2.
Noted about Bella.

If he flips cop that means nothing

Jim could be s godfather alright.


Also I am feeling its you Jim and ad is becoming less scummy from your interactions here

[ZZZX]

Time is tuning short so I wish for all of you to help me put down burner to the dead .

@burner DW we will send your scummates to you in the next 2 days

[ZZZX]

I am bored so I'll read here after 2 hours.

On a side note this reminds me of an anon. Jungle repub game I did. Which makes me feel more certain about this

[ZZZX]

If anyone honestly reading through feels I've not addressed anything, or misunderstood anything of ZZZX's, or deliberately misrepped anything or failed to pick up on some nuance, please let me know. But I get the distinct feeling I'm just letting scumZZZX ramble and poke me with his aggressively stupid stance and I don't want to make this harder to slog through than it already is.

I've made my points.

Essentially ZZZX has failed to answer my questions for me in any satisfactory way, is arguing that I'm not reading his posts when I clearly am, and isn't voting the more likely to be lynched scumread. He wants town to TRUST HIM, he has this game FIGURED OUT, yet doesn't do enough by far to prove anything, and is probably very wrong, and is deliberately (I hope) winding me up. He is attacking me, and not answering the bulk of the questions I'm putting toward him, and his town defense is built on number-work that just doesn't add up, and actually points toward him being scum by virtue of him not being quicklynched. (Pro tip - It might mean it's because your scumbuddies don't want to bus you if they can swing any other lynch, perhaps? OTHER PLAYERS DO NOT KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND YOU CANNOT TRUST A FUCKING THING YOU SAY, AND NOTHING YOU SAY DISPROVES A GAMESTATE WHERE YOU ARE SCUM)

I do not know what more people would need to see to get a scumread out of ZZZX's play. I'd like everyone who checks in (and that should be most, deadline approaches) to tell me why we shouldn't be voting ZZZX based on the exchange that has just taken place. Because I could not be more convinced that this is ZZZX scum, and I feel I've done enough to prove that.

I didnt asnwer your questions?

F*** this game I am not writing 3 pages saying the same thing over and over again. did it once adn it won the town the game but I feel a headache. i dont give a fk anymore

[ZZZX]

@4burner: I had already indicated my intention to lynch ActionDan. ZZZX even voted him for a brief moment of time before moving his vote to you. Then I said we couldn't afford to lynch ZZZX (I'm going by my memory because of lack of time, so if this is wrong please correct me). Then comes ZZZX's zero-hour flurry of activity in which he claims to have 75 percent of the game figured out but never backs that up. Plays some CS Go in preference to this game, highlighting its importance to him.

By my count, 32 of ZZZX's 215 posts in this game came in the last eight hours. This is not a hallmark of town to me. He's also defending AD to a huge degree despite that vote I mentioned by not even including him in his odd scumteam, which honestly makes no sense to me.

Based on ZZZX's posts alone, I support the theory of AD-ZZZX scum. AD's play is all that makes that less likely.

A Personal Message to ZZZX

@4burner: I feel much the same. You're not alone.

video was funny
but it made you join the *omg zzzx makes no sesnse didnt read post*

mark my words after hte game once you see who teh scum are

Guess what? I am not even moving my vote and I would perfer a no lynch as supposed as a lynch i find questionable. no lynch still has a hcnace of survival and when that happens the town will fuck itself up without me being there as an excuse to it's fk up.

-ZZZX OUT

[ZZZX]

ah and if the game continues later on and my scum reads are correct (as I am nearly almost certain) then bookitty is the 4th

[ZZZX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-l2ouX_uo how i feel...

[ZZZX]

how 4burner and kitty answered my 3 pages long cases and asnwers

"What you have said makes no sense"

much reading many wow

much sense many thoughts

much scum many failure

[ZZZX]

me not being night killed makes alopt of sense. since I would be left to make lylo come faster (better for scum isnt it)

am I missing something?

and my post shows I am in support for the extention was I not? also do you think scum me would just refuse the extention and/or ignore it and thus become a clear lynch target when the game is far from over if i was a BP?

actually here is oemthing interesting. if I was scum then this game wont end whoever you lynched. however if I was then game will end if we mislynch

so... am I missing something? how is my play not making sense? how is that even related to the fact that i rpoved out of 3 people including me there should eb at least 1 scum. what about ad's wagon?

you ignored everything i threw at and used the fact that my play doesnt make sense as town. (which if you played with me and you did you would know its normal)

you call my "late game" reads bad but I showed they are true

I understand the time part. and I understand that but there is no way to know your time frame. and if you dont want me to demand answers on my time frame what aobut the others who demand answers from me at thier time frame? if someone going to say something he is going to do it. (which is the main case i have vs 4burner)

[ZZZX]

See, that's also bad, ZZZX, because I know my own alignment and I know you're wrong or lying about it.

--- Says I use info that town has no way to confrim it so I got scum read for doing that kind of read

--- Does same thing. okey...

[ZZZX]

here is an example for people who cant get it frm the first time

if I am not vegitarian and I eat meat and a veg. calls me a bastard for it that doesnt make sense. your scum moves (limitations/things you do) here are exclusive to things you do.

however if after 10 minutes I saw that veg eating meat then I have the right to call him a bastard because he isnt true to his words and called me out for something he did (aka his scum moves) and he cant use the fact I ate meat as an excuse.

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if you guys didnt even get the last exmaple then i give up on trying to make you understnad my point.

[ZZZX]

4 hours till deadline.

SOMEONE HAMMER DAN DAMMIT

i belive a nolynch is better than a risky lynch atm.

[ZZZX]

HOW THE FUCK IS DAN A RISKY LYNCH

because there is a 30-40% chance he is town at this moment. and the only way to know right now is jmj's skull

[ZZZX]

I understand the time part. and I understand that but there is no way to know your time frame. and if you dont want me to demand answers on my time frame what aobut the others who demand answers from me at thier time frame? if someone going to say something he is going to do it. (which is the main case i have vs 4burner)

First, being wrong about my alignment undermines my faith in your other reads. That would be true regardless of your alignment.

You've had a time frame of weeks to make your presence felt. People have asked you repeatedly to weigh in with various degrees of snark about your claimed late-game prowess. You have been missing in action. Throwing a fit about how you won't be ignored now doesn't undo your lack of anything useful over that time period.

Well you being wrong with my allignment should mean the same

shouldnt it?

also i made my presence felt when i had something I ams ure off. I am not the kind of guy to say some random stuff for recognition

[ZZZX]

This looks like a last-ditch effort to derail a wagon on a buddy. We hammer dan, and when he flips scum we turbo-lynch ZZZX tomorrow.

I support this theory and plan of action.

as long as you lynch both jmj/4burner after i die and i flip town.

[ZZZX]

if both me and ad are scum. then shouldnt be there a counter wagon of some sort LONG ago?? *deep thoughts*

[ZZZX]

4Burner, you can be the magical hammer vote.

Think of all the town points you'll get.

this post is so scummy btw.
also fk dis anyway this town is doomed to fail somewhat

VOTE: ActionDan lets hope he is scum and I am wrong about the tiny chance of him being town.

[ZZZX]

What just happened..

[ZZZX]

9 alive.

not being killed means there are 3 scum

actually killing me before wining game is losing the game since it would confirm scum (4burner anyone?)

I really want that conf scum lynched.

VOTE: 4burner

and @burner how is me surving a conf scum thing if there are only 3 scum? (if it was 4 I would be killed to win the game)

[ZZZX]

But for now I would really like to see a dead ZZZX and I'd be very curious if anyone could argue against it.

No way this could be coming from town.

and yea I was wrong about jmj/ad. but I am pretty certain of my 4burner read

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX ok buddy. What's your actual case on me again?

Not feeling like writing the case again.

but from mpov based on teh fact that i am town and the facts i talked about yesterday you appear as conf. scum in my eyes right now because you are.

-Z

[ZZZX]

I am pretty sure the only player who have played enough games with me to be able to meta me somewhat at the moment in this game is PV.

[ZZZX]

@bookitty It was so freaking clear that there is no toher role i would be hesitant to claim. unless i think being vanilla is a dangerous being.(is it?)

also meta me. I act like that with any critical PR when i want to avoid death

reason for me not being killed to make lylo happen with more players. which means the chance ot mislynch is higher.

9 alive with 3 scum.

chance of scum lynch = 33% (random lynch)

7 alive 3 scum

chance of scum lynch = 43% (random lynch)

thinking about 10% can be the differance between wining and losing the game

Maths

(holy damn engineering exam studying made me so mathy in mood)

[ZZZX]

My role is better unclaimed. I will leave it at that. if things gets too sad I will have to claim but lets say that its for the town's advantage that I don't claim my role.

[ZZZX]

Doesnt that... make sense? also if u consider te way i misunderstood my role?

[ZZZX]

VLA UNTIL SUNDAY

and people voting me are trying to end the game. if ur town i believe u should unvote to avoid speed hammers.

[ZZZX]

Studying post:
Scum: 4burner/kitty/????
Town confirmed : jmj/pv
Leaning town: bro
Ithers null

[ZZZX]

No. Why should there? I only conf town who I find as conf town.

[ZZZX]

Wait jmj is dead?


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Holy crap I did it again XD

[ZZZX]

Mixed up my reads and forgot that he died

[ZZZX]

... its funny how its not the first time i have did that.....

lol reminds me of my first game ever.

[ZZZX]

Its where the first quote in my sig. same freaking situation

I have no words atm. i just... dont know what to say

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I don't know if anyone wants to trawl through them too, but here are the three zzzx scumgames I'm looking at:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
- newbie game he and I played (lynched day 1)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - micro (won in lylo)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - another newbie (won in lylo)

I would have liked a larger scum game to compare with this, but I didn't find one.

And four town games:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - Kise's large theme, lynched day 2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - micro, killed night 2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - mcro, lynched day 1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - large theme, lynched day 3

Organic Chemistry is what you are looking for maybe.

[ZZZX]

also there are a few old ones in my wiki

[ZZZX]

Am I stalling here? I think I have said everything and I have nothing to say/No power to change any thing at this stage. Its sad that the town is really in active atm.

[ZZZX]

will you please answer bookitty's question?

didn't I answer them all? If I missed anything care to quote?

[ZZZX]

ZZZX: Why do you think you're still alive, please?

Do you feel you've demonstrated your great value to town during the late game?

Also @ZZZX: Why is PeregrineV conftown to you, please?

Also, yes, please answer the above

@ZZZX

. It's almost like you don't want to engage for some bizarre reason. You say people aren't listening to you whilst you continue to dodge questions. Bold move, Cotton.

I already andwered the first one. 2nd one is gut/meta

First one again in case you can iso my 50-100 posts:


Scum wont kill me until end of game because me living makes lylo happen with more people and has ne as a possible mislynch (look now) which is better than having a lylo with a lower number of people (and according to marhs we dine befire there is a 33% higher chance of a mislynch if random lynched

[ZZZX]

I hate how everyone says I dodge questions but doesn't read my posts to see I answered every question at least twice... its you guys who are notr reading

[ZZZX]

I am done with this game. Town players are either retardedly not posting at all or just confbaising without reading my posts or responding to my logic.

intent to vote self. (and prob end the game)

-ZZZX out.

[ZZZX]

@4b I didn't claim to see who would bother asking me. Looks like no one gives a shit. Sums up this game, sadly. I'm Zoey - Survivor (as in VT)

I don't mind the pairing I have with ZZZX since it's not forced

but I'd like to pull up my quotes where I've wanted to lunch ZZZX the next day.

Gimme 10 mins to find parking

I dont like this quote for future references btw

[ZZZX]

Saw kise being scum but other than that I didnt except that.

Well played game scum. I have not gave this game my all. I feel sad for it

[ZZZX]

but the logic you guys went for me didnt make sense btw

[ZZZX]

But i did fail at reading em all

[ZZZX]

I thought you were town, I just didn't feel like fighting it at that point

Same state... Real life rekt me :>