SURVIVOR Mafia (Game over)

[Brian Skies]

Yet he doesn't outright scumread me until after I highlight his vote change to SMP was off.

When did this happen? And why was my vote change to SMP off?

[Brian Skies]

Well DGB said she was fine with her own lynch. I think it was in a sense she knew she was boned and was maybe that her scum buddy(ies?) voted her.
I have been pondering Brian in the back of my head for a bit.
Some things he said in the old tribe and in the merged tribe. It's more vague then definite, hence the maybe crazy theory.

Let me start from the top of my issue and see if it makes sense.

1) While we were in the new tribe he was saying everyone should vote for the same person and was talking about going with Orci's plan.

2) When day 4 hit and there was a vote on titus, titus claimed scum voted her, which I thought was crazy talk obviously.

Brian argues with Titus and myself about the vote and pushes for SMP as scum.

3) However he votes for me because he agreed with SMP???
He went from going on a tantrum about everyone being on the same page and voting unified, questioning players voting outside what is agreed to making a sudden switch.

It just makes very little sense to get up about players voting to switching votes like that.

4) Then we come to being merged and he has been fighting with Titus.

I saw some things he said that I said in the other tribe come out. The playing the victim comment.

5) I felt like he was trying to push me to use my ability on the tribe and I never got a reason from him that I recall why he thought the ability was scummy.
He said he thought it was fake but told me to use the ability even though it was anti town.
Why would you tell someone to do something you know is anti town.

For me it is always those weird moments.

and to be fair

I don't recall for a moment brain talking about DGB too much I could be wrong.

6) But he seems to be just following along with some lynches and then other times pushing hard for lynches like against titus, me, smp.

Mostly it was lurkers but now idk.

1) Yes, I still support Orci's plan. It's a good plan and I also have role-related reasons for it, which I mentioned Day 1 in Nikum.
2) Yes, it's still nonsense.
3) My reasons for suspecting you have always been related to your role. Yes, I changed my vote off of SMP because when I was pushing him, it was right at the deadline and I didn't get much of a chance to talk to push him. And after thinking about it during the voting phase, I didn't think some of the things he was saying was coming from a scummy mindset. I could just as easily lied and said I voted for SMP instead of you. But I didn't. And you weren't even lynched in his place.
4) Yes, because I've been having serious issues with her logic and the stances she's had. It's been like this since she entered the game, not just since the merge. If you read my posts, you should be able to see this.
5) Like I said earlier, I didn't believe you had the role you were claiming, and I thought you were just trying to use it to leverage your position. Me telling you to use your role is me trying to call out your bluff.
6) So? If I think someone's scummy, I'm going to push to get them lynched. If I don't have a strong read on someone and my townreads do, I feel inclined to take their word for it. But as for going along with lynches, I don't think this is the case at all because with the exception of Zzzx, I've only voted for people I've thought were scum.

I know I strong-armed them, but I'm not apologizing for the Wash/SMP lynches. I thought Wash was scummy and that Ank could have been trying to protect him. I was also aggravated with SMP positing everyone in our tribe being town and not scumhunting.

[Brian Skies]

What was off about my Farside vote? I thought her role was scummy and I pushed her for it. This was also the only major push in the merge between DGB asking to partner with you and you accepting. And yet you pretended DGB was town for "saving you."

[Brian Skies]

You're scum so it doesn't matter.

[Brian Skies]

I've already explained this and I've already claimed my vote change. Considering the SMP lynch was largely voiced by me, if I'm scum, why not just lie about my vote and hide behind the wagon?

[Brian Skies]

Like, literally. The SMP wagon was a deadline wagon. I didn't have enough time to push him and I ended up having second thoughts.

[Brian Skies]

The last post before the thread got locked is mine and directed at SMP. So no, it wasn't a push I was confident in by any means. It was a deadline lynch I had to go through with because someone had to be lynched.

[Brian Skies]

Being honest is always better play. But if my plan was to get a mislynch, why does it matter whether I lynch Farside or SMP?

[Brian Skies]

Shhhh. I'm trying to stop Titus-scum from mislynching me.

And yeah, I did go against the whole mantra. But people weren't exactly agreeing with the plan or indicating who they'd vote for.

[Brian Skies]

Farside, Titus has a mountain of bullshit in this thread. I don't mind exploring PV with you later, but Titus should go today.

[Brian Skies]

Because you're scum and I don't want to let you get away.

What is your read on me even based on? My scumread and push against you this game is legit as fuck.

[Brian Skies]

Also, for the record, I've been pushing Titus since Day 4, which is way before Titus ever 'scumread' me.

[Brian Skies]

You were never in danger of being lynched. The main wagons were Farside and SMP. There wasn't even a wagon on you.

[Brian Skies]

You're grasping at straws Titus. You have been since we lynched DGB.

No one even looked towards lynching you. So wherever you got this idea that you were in danger of being lynched and DGB was town for being there to save you was just a fabrication. Because there's been nothing to point towards this and I've been saying this for the last two days.

[Brian Skies]

I think there are 5-6 scum. I said this on Day 4.

[Brian Skies]

Zzzx was scumreading Notty.

[Brian Skies]

She doesn't have a guilty. Orci claimed VT.

[Brian Skies]

Why are you even entertaining it?

[Brian Skies]

It's a stupid fucking question.

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Titus

Vote: Tribal Council

[Brian Skies]

Also, apparently 111 was the magic number and I never got the memo.

[Brian Skies]

Why would we talk about it if you don't even seem caught up?

Most of us want to lynch Titus. The other option on the table is you.

[Brian Skies]

Says the person voting him.

[Brian Skies]

Because I haven't seen you talk about anything in specific regarding Days 5 and onwards. Mostly everything seems based on Nikum and Rawaki to me. It might just be because your reads aren't detailed and I can't see your trajectories.

Why do you think Titus is town?

[Brian Skies]

Orci might have been townish, but Titus has been scum since she replaced in. Titus town tends to suffer from horrible logical leaps (sometimes referred to as moonlogic) but the logic she's been presenting here has been coherent and towards a scum agenda.

We've had heavy discussion regarding Titus and you haven't commented on any of it.

Day 5 has a lot of information and interactions, of course I'd expect you to comment on them. Why are you handwaving it just based on who was lynched? There's more to the game than just Days 1-4 and I think the one thread where everyone gets to interact with each other should be held in as high regard, if not higher regard, than the threads where only some of us could interact with each other.

[Brian Skies]

Also, you were suspicious of Orci when we were in Nikum. Now you're saying that slot is extremely town. What changed?

[Brian Skies]

Also, you were suspicious of Orci when we were in Nikum. Now you're saying that slot is extremely town. What changed?

Nevermind. My memory doesn't serve me well.

[Brian Skies]

You literally just have to read today, my iso, and Titus' iso to get the general idea of what's going on.

[Brian Skies]

If we suppose all negative utlity roles are town (Farside and Bookitty), and suppose that all players who had mysterious votes cast against them are town (notscience and SLetters). That leaves DGB or TWIE that could have cast the unaccounted for vote against Sletters.

Ank or DGB cast the mysterious vote against Cheetory.

As much as I think DGB is town, lynching her is the optimal play (barring very excessive amounts of scum). If DGB flips scum, we know where all the unaccounted for votes came from most likely. If she flips town, we have confirmed Ank and TWIE as scum or that our initial assumptions are wrong.

I am unwilling to lynch SLetters, notscience or myself.

Like this is Titus with not-crap logic.

This is not bussing, because she is not setting DGB= town as clearing anyone.

You mean on Day 6 after people made a big fuss over her VCA earlier and wanted to lynch DGB despite her best wishes? Or how she still pushed the crap out of an Ank lynch and said the DGB lynch would end in tears?

Have you even read her initial VCA where she removed DGB as a potential suspect just because she didn't think scum would save her despite us telling her DGB could have been trying to save herself? Or her sketchy interactions with DGB where they were acting like mod confirmed masons just because DGB was willing to play password with Titus?

[Brian Skies]

You literally just have to read today, my iso, and Titus' iso to get the general idea of what's going on.

It looks like pointless arguing about some elusive topic.

Who is the last scum in Abari, and the 2 scum in Nikum?

Titus. I'm still on the fence about the Abari tribe, but I think STD and Farside are town. Same thing with Ank. I don't even know if there is another scum in Abari.

As far as Nikum goes, I've been leaning Notty. But you're giving me niggles and I'm considering lynching you.

[Brian Skies]

Neither. While I have my opinions on setups, I don't do setup spec. And both of your theories are from the idea you're confirmed town, which you're not. I also don't think the scum placement is necessarily symmetrical.

[Brian Skies]

PV, my mind doesn't operate in the same fashion as your setup spec. It's like, I see it, but I don't understand why you have everyone separated like you do. I can only tell you what I think based on how people act and interact. I just want to lynch my scumreads.

I have townreads on all of these players:
Boo
PK
Farside
STD
Ank

I'm unsure about these players:
PV
Notty
TWIE

I want to lynch Titus.

I think all the Abari players could be town and that one of them doesn't have to be scum. I don't think it has to be a 6 person scumteam. I just think there are probably 5-6 of them because a four person scumteam in a nightless as large as this seems too small.

[Brian Skies]

Interactionally, if I'm scum,

then according to you I've spent the whole game pushing my scumbuddies as scum.

I think Titus is scum.

[Brian Skies]

Also, you can read the fucking game. I've been asking you to substantiate your reads, responded to your posts with my opinions, and all I get is flimsy setup spec in return.

[Brian Skies]

Like, I really don't know what posts from Titus you've been reading that you're heavily townreading her. Like you're cherrypicking specific posts that in the grand scheme of things, don't make her town. You're ignoring all the reasons we think she's scummy.

[Brian Skies]

Boo - I just haven't had a reason to suspect her. I guess we can get into some paranoia that she can be fooling us and that her claim can't be trusted and whatnot, but I feel like her thoughts and trajectories have come from town.

PirateKitty - It's mostly a gut read. I think her indignation towards the early townblock and refusal to give Orci an easy townread in Nikum was more likely to come from a town Mollie. I also think Mollie temporarily leaving the game out of frustration and returning with heavy rejuvenation and excitement after a scumlynch is likely to be coming from a town her. There was also this weird moment where they were a little vulnerable in Nikum that House tried to take advantage of and I called them out on it. I don't think they're scum with HT.

Farside - I wasn't a fan of her early push against Ank in Rawaki because I didn't really see the same issue with Ank's posts that she did. And I thought Ank was townish when I pushed him on his thoughts and reads. But Farside's aggressiveness, reads, and general attitude this game is similar to when I played with her last time and she was town. I had an issue with her role, but STD did bring up a fair point that it could be Cephrir's Survivor version of a bodyguard. And aside from that, I just haven't found her scummy. Stubborn maybe.

STD - I do have a small concern regarding him not explaining the bolded part I mention in this post, but overall, I do think he might be town and his posting has given me good vibes. Unless his goal is to ride the game out by bussing his buddies (possible), I think his thoughts and opinions come from town. I could be wrong and I might have to revisit this read later.

Ank - He's made some posts that make me shake my head, but I haven't seen anything to make me think he's scummy. Farside pushed him pretty hard in Rawaki, but I didn't think anything he said was scummy and when I pushed him there, the thoughts and opinions he had of players when asked made me think town. Titus' blind insistence that Ank has to be scum for...? makes me think he's probably just being targeted by scum. Titus' main reason for wanting to lynch Ank was that the VCA indicated Ank was lying about his vote. Now it just looks like a tunnel.

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Notty - I had a theory regarding Notty that I mentioned here. It basically has to do with possible scum theatrics with Orci and him seeming to just blindly move in tandem with Titus. After decoding his messages with Orci, I'm a little unsure if this is the case and I can see him thinking Orci was super town early on just based off of our recent game with him in Advance Wars. STD also mentioned it before, but Notty seems to suspect anyone who puts his 'obvtowniness' into question.

PV - You haven't been around. Your posts could just as easily be busy work. You're defending my scumread with what I consider to be flimsy reasoning. While I agree with you Notty could be scum, your general effort and analysis this game is concerning.

TWIE - No idea on this slot. Seemed perfectly fine with dying Day 5, but a lot of people are suspicious of him and I don't really know what to think. Titus defending him then turning on him seemed a little weird, but she can easily defend that just based on TWIE's behavior. The idol usage is concerning, but his slot was a revolving door and the person who used it was already on the chopping block for a lynch when he entered the game. His argument regarding the idol usage and the unfairness of him being read for it pulled on my heartstrings here. I didn't find his reads opportunistic when he was almost the lynch for Day 5 and he seems to be a little easier to work with now that people aren't trying to just lynch him.

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Titus - She's been trying to set herself up as obvtown since she came into this game in Rawaki. Her early read on DGB is sketchy and I think she was just trying to remove suspicion off her. She's also been flooding the thread with bullshit fakeclaims and I don't have a clue what her read on Ank is even based on. She's evil and she needs to be put down.

[Brian Skies]

PV, stop defending Titus and help us lynch her.

We have beautiful and delicious Hello Kitty cookies on this wagon.

Spoiler:

[Brian Skies]

Ank and Brian had what seem to me to be the best strategies, but so it goes~

Also, from what I can tell, I think Ank was trying to do the same thing as me.

[Brian Skies]

<3

[Brian Skies]

Ank and Brian had what seem to me to be the best strategies, but so it goes~

Also, from what I can tell, I think Ank was trying to do the same thing as me.

I was increasing my power every single round. I had something like 240 at the very last one.

I did the same, but I didn't start off as low and my increases weren't as large as yours because my last leg had 327 points.

[Brian Skies]

Cough Notty Cough.

[Brian Skies]

I'm also not in the mood to rely on someone else's role.

[Brian Skies]

TWIE; Scum read, already stated why
You: already stated why

If there is more then that I have no clue

You are short 1 from Nikum.

And You are scumreading TWIE but voted me on day5?

And your reasons are fake, bad or garbage.

What do her reads today have to do with her votes on Day 5? And she stated scumreads on both of you.

TWIE has immunity

today

.

[Brian Skies]

while a all-town tribe would automatically lynch town

Well, Rawaki still hasn't flipped any scum yet. And Titus was not only in Rawaki, but several of us think she's scum.

So by your logic, why aren't you helping us?

I really don't see any reason you should be fighting this just based on your setup spec.

[Brian Skies]

And unless I misread, this is the same dichotomy that everyone was blasting Titus for when she said Anka or DGB.

What dichotomy? There's no dichotomy. You two are being run up because people have scumreads on you two.

And I really don't see the point for scum-Orci to push the "All-vote the lynch" thing the way he did day1.

This is like the easiest thing to push regardless of alignment. What are your opinions on the slot outside of the "all-vote the lynch" thing?

[Brian Skies]

For the love of god PV, TWIE has immunity.

[Brian Skies]

Also, just based on your "tribal symmetry," why aren't you interested in lynching out of <Notty, Titus, Brian, PV> ?

[Brian Skies]

If we lynch within my old tribe it should be twie.
If we lynch from the other tribe my vote is for Pere.

[Brian Skies]

this is most defo graveyard all over again.

At least I'm not dayvigging townies.

[Brian Skies]

I prefer a Titus lynch and will still be voting her, but PV's recent posting makes me want to bang my head against the wall and I'm unopposed to his wagon.

[Brian Skies]

am I completely crazy for wondering if perv feels overextended and is trying to make himself a better lynch target in order to save his buddy?

No, because I'm paranoid about this exact same thing. I'm just biting my tongue because I don't feel like persuading people anymore at this point because apparently people would rather let Titus run around and spread mist than just lynch her.

[Brian Skies]

Also, I don't think PV is a bad lynch right now. I would just really prefer Titus because I'm more confident about that read.

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Titus

[Brian Skies]

Obviously, the refusal to lynch Titus is causing a great deal of stress for everyone. I think we should all hold hands, lynch the living fuck out of Titus, and move on. She's going to continue to be a hot point of discussion and argument and I really think this game just needs to see her flip.

[Brian Skies]

PV was the catalyst for the HT wagon on Day 2. PK explained this yesterday, several times, when she said she didn't think PV would go for mitigating returns as scum.

[Brian Skies]

Let me know when you guys feel like lynching Titus. I'll be here. We can discuss who we want to lynch or not lynch after she flips scum. If Titus wins immunity, we force Notty to use his role or lynch Notty instead.

[Brian Skies]

PV was the catalyst for the HT wagon on Day 2. PK explained this yesterday, several times, when she said she didn't think PV would go for mitigating returns as scum.

Was the purpose of this to show PV was town or why PK read him as town?

The second. In case you forgot, I was in favor of him being lynched yesterday and don't care that you voted for him.

[Brian Skies]

Does this mean I was justified in pushing Farside and calling her out? :^)

[Brian Skies]

No, I'm fairly confident the doubt is coming from the moderator's comment.

[Brian Skies]

Notty moves up on my list because Farside moves down. He still needs to prove to me he deserves to sit at the big kids table though. I still have this small sliver of hope he's town.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, but Titus is obvious scum and Farside is doing everything in her power to lynch everyone except Titus. We really should just resolve that flip now.

[Brian Skies]

Farside/Titus is Titus/DGB 2.0.

[Brian Skies]

No, but you've claimed bookkeeper, dayvig, and cop.

[Brian Skies]

If we don't lynch scum today, I'll be pushing a Farside lynch tomorrow anyway because she did say she'd confirm herself Day 8 at the latest. It's Day 8 now, but I don't mind giving her another day (or more if we lynch scum). But I'm not letting her around to possible lylo.

[Brian Skies]

Why though? We just lynched out of Nikum yesterday and there's still probably another scum in Nikum?

[Brian Skies]

You have to confirm it at some point Farside. How long do you think we're just going to let you live on a non-alignment-confirmable role? And my read on you has been slowly slipping as you've continuously derailed a Titus lynch that you agreed with earlier. I don't understand why you think she's town.

[Brian Skies]

I didn't say we were going to lynch you if Titus flips town because I don't think she's going to flip town. But if we lynch anyone other than Titus and it's not scum, I'm lynching you. If Titus flips town, I'm more than happy to let you lynch me tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

How do you think that if you lynch town next, I should confirm myself brian.

Because there will be 8 people left tomorrow with maybe 3 scum. If we don't resolve you tomorrow, we have to deal with your claim at possible lylo. This isn't rocket science.

[Brian Skies]

Titus is scummier and more likely to be scum.

[Brian Skies]

Who knows, maybe they're both scum. But I really think Titus should go first.

[Brian Skies]

I don't trust all the people that say they'll vote for Titus because one or more of them could be scum. The more people that agree to it, the more likely we will actually get that lynch. This is why I liked Orci's orginal stated plan.

I'm town, that is why your theory is fucking faulty.

In the event that you're town, we won't have to worry about mislynching you in lylo. Or worse, never lynching you and letting you skate to the endgame on a fakeclaim.

[Brian Skies]

I don't understand why you're being so stubborn and indignant. Town just helped you mislynch PV because you asked for it (and other reasons that made him look absurdly scummy). Why can't you work with others?

[Brian Skies]

Like, I'm offering myself on a platter for you if we're wrong. You'll never even have to deal with me again.

[Brian Skies]

No, but you've claimed bookkeeper, dayvig, and cop.

You've witnessed all three of these fakeclaims, Farside. They've all been scum motivated.

You agreed her read and defense of DGB was sketchy, as well as her trying to take credit for the DGB lynch despite fighting against it.

Mollie pointed out Titus' not reevaluating her Ank read after her VCA should indicate otherwise. Titus has just been tunneling Ank.

She still hasn't fullclaimed, and her cop fakeclaim in the face of pressure is scum flailing.

[Brian Skies]

We're not saying we'll never lynch TWIE or that he'll never be on the table. We just really feel confident Titus is scum here. If you help us and Titus flips scum, we can help you with your pressure and lynch on TWIE.

[Brian Skies]

I called you stubborn earlier, Farside. But yeah, I will pounce on every little thing because that's how I play. I'd very much prefer to find all the scum so I won't have to lynch you because I do think you might be town this game. But for the love of god, stop derailing the Titus wagon.

[Brian Skies]

Farside is the one claiming a protective role, so we won't have to worry about that from you.

[Brian Skies]

Why haven't you fullclaimed yet anyway?

[Brian Skies]

Like I said I still wondered if scum just bussed dgb to hide there numbers.

You think scum chose to bus DGB under the table right before the final jury instead of trying to find a way to get her on?

[Brian Skies]

Only with titus fighting?

I still think scum were trying to get DGB on the jury. Whether or not it's just Titus isn't something I can determine. TWIE could have been hiding behind it, but it's also possible he's town that Titus was trying to WK when it was convenient for her.

[Brian Skies]

I was pushing you and DGB way before that point. And I'm the one who was derailing your townread on her to begin with.

[Brian Skies]

Do you mean Kdowns/BPC? Because I thought Regfan didn't replace in until the second voting phase where he was already the consensus wagon. It'd be might hard to say he had the idol Day 2 when he wasn't even in the game yet.

[Brian Skies]

If everyone is on the same page to vote titus, would it be best to vote for tc so there is no immunity to be won?

I don't think this is how the game works. As with the show, they're called immunity challenges for a reason.

Also, Titus is at the top of my chopping block.

[Brian Skies]

Also, I think it has less to do with our thoughts on TWIE than some of us just really wanting to lynch Titus because we're convinced she's scum.

[Brian Skies]

Just going to point out the scummy thing you keep missing Mollie in your tunnel vision

Is she supposed to be in my tunnel vision? I thought it was called tunnel vision for a reason.

If you think she's scummy, I'm more than happy to have this conversation. But I've also "missed" Ank and Boo as well and would be open to discussing those reads if you want to as well. PV was another player I ignored until he disappeared and started making me want to bang my head against the wall.

As for Brian's comment, he wants to lynch titus and called us scum together. If titus flips town why does me using my ability make sense?
He had sudden whiplash read on me. You'll have to forgive me but just because someone agree's with you doesn't make them flarking town. Lynching town and wanting my lynch or using my ability is scummy. He was calling me town so again don't expect me to follow along when players don't read discussions in the game.

I thought I explained this earlier. If Titus flips town, I won't hold it against you and will willingly offer myself up for a lynch. But I feel pretty strongly that she's scum this game and I feel you keep derailing her wagon whenever the opportunity presents itself. I only want to lynch you if you derail this wagon and force us to mislynch a townie. It's 50% paranoia you could be her buddy, 50% I'm still not a strong believer in your role being a town one.

I don't have the greatest memory, but it's fairly decent when it comes to things I care about, especially when I've been as active and engaged as I have in this game. When someone claims to be able to leave the game and the moderator claims players being able to walk up and snuff out their torch isn't a mechanic in the game, I'm going to question it.

Also, the more we lynch scum, the further away the point becomes where I feel I need to policy lynch a role I'm skeptical of. I still think you could be town, but you admitting how skeevy Titus is and allowing her to run around and spread mist rubs me the wrong way and makes me uncomfortable with my read on you.

I don't mind being lynched at some point, but what does TWIE being scum have to do with me?

[Brian Skies]

Question 1: Who did the most players think is the best player in this game?

The correct answer is Brian Skies.

VOTE: Titus
VOTE: Tribal Council

[Brian Skies]

Brian: a little chat with you for a few moments.

I recalled you were talking about scum in the tribe we were in.

Have you reevaluated reads or still hold onto that theory?

? Can you be more specific?

[Brian Skies]

I'm also pretty over the game right now and am wondering if lynching me would be for the best. The last couple of mislynches I've been involved in have been awful and I'm slowly losing the motivation to care.

I'm still pretty pissed off at Titus' play this game.

[Brian Skies]

I also believe I owe Farside either a TWIE vote or a Brian vote.

[Brian Skies]

Why do you want to be lynched?

[Brian Skies]

You said something to the effect of thinking scum would be in the tribe or you'd have issues with the mod post game.

It's bad modding otherwise.

[Brian Skies]

He mentioned scumreads on DGB and Titus, but I don't remember him ever explaining where his reads came from.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah uh there's no one who's actually getting lynched based on apathy

I agree.

TWIE is being pushed because he could be scum.

I was wrong about Titus, although I'm not going to apologize for it. She claimed a fake dayvig and a fake guilty on me, among other things. I really thought she was scum. But I made a deal.

My reads are pretty messed up because most of them were dependent on Titus being scum. And now I just feel like I'm overlooking something really important.

[Brian Skies]

I'm kind of tired. I'll finish sorting this page out tomorrow.

Also, me setting up my lynch isn't based on apathy. I offered myself as a lynch if I was wrong on Titus, and I was. I blame Titus. >:[ My role is also negative utility and I don't mind dying because of it.

[Brian Skies]

Also, the tribes may still have been randomized or something or whatever. The buffs are probably just Cephrir's way of incorporating some Survivor flavor for us.

[Brian Skies]

I think besides brian I'm no longer sure what to think about NS.

?

[Brian Skies]

Vote: TWIE

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Tribal Council

[Brian Skies]

Subjective challenge. :/

[Brian Skies]

<<<Shameless Seohyun wagon driver.

[Brian Skies]

Notty's the last person in my "please lynch before lylo" group.

[Brian Skies]

I had a reads list here that I've been going off of. But it needs to be updated. The general order is about the same, except I have Farside and Ank at the top of my list.

So, something like:
Farside
Ank
Boo
STD
PK
Notty

[Brian Skies]

Lol. Is that short for Brian Skies?

[Brian Skies]

There still could be scum from Rawaki.

Rawaki

:
Ankamius

Wash

farside22

SMP

Titus

notscience

PeregrineV

Brian Skies

[Brian Skies]

That reads list was from many pages ago and from the confbias that Titus was scum (even though she wasn't). I'm also fairly convinced all of Titus' reads were ass-backwards.

[Brian Skies]

And yeah, towniest at the top.

[Brian Skies]

Titus fake-claimed Dayvig, bookkeeper, and a guilty result on me. She also pretended DGB was practically conftown because of how she played a game of Password with her (which in all honesty, isn't alignment indicative at all). I thought she was scum. I'm not apologizing for it and you need to get over it.

[Brian Skies]

But if you still want to lynch me because you're butthurt over me pushing your claim, then go for it. I'm negative utility and need to die sooner rather than later.

[Brian Skies]

Lol. My read on Notty's been dropping for a while now. If you look at my last reads list, he's the only one below the first line.

[Brian Skies]

I need to reread some things. And I do like poetry.

[Brian Skies]

^That's a pretty good reason. Which one would you rather lynch first?

[Brian Skies]

Sounds legit.

[Brian Skies]

We should make them Survivor themed.

[Brian Skies]

So, I thought I had 1 or 2 crumbs in Nikum because I was supposed to have 1 or 2 crumbs in Nikum, but apparently I thought it would make my role too obvious to the scumteam and chose to word the posts differently and not soft at all. >.>

I also don't like him sitting here. It feels like he's given up and he knows his options for who he can push as scum in our tribe, but he hasn't because it kinda feels like he knows its a losing battle.

I'm sitting here because I don't feel confident in anyone above Notty in my reads list being scum and the person I suspect most is Notty, who's practically disappeared from this game.

My desire to leave this game has nothing to do with me being scum or fighting a losing battle, because I'm not. I'm

John Cochran

,

Castaway Swing Voter

. And in tied revotes, my vote automatically moves to resolve the tie. In the case of 3 or more tied individuals in a revote, I state a preference as to who my vote moves to. I want to die because my role is a liability and I feel we've reached the point where not only is it safe for me to sacrifice myself, but it's also beneficial to the town for me to do so.

This is why I thought Ceph likely put in a bunch of negative utility roles in this setup and why I've been so supportive of Orci's consensus voting plan (which I lost interest in because most of the players in this game, including myself, are too stubborn).

[Brian Skies]

@Boo: Can you explain your read on PK to me?

[Brian Skies]

I personally think it's Brain and Notty. I been having doubts about Notty for a while, although, him being scum makes little sense barring the flips, but his dismotiviation fits the bill for him being scum. Brian looks like he's given up; the same with notty. That's why I personally think they are both scum.

Why do you think I'm the type of person that would give up and force the town to lynch me and my partner instead of just conceding? I've also claimed a role that will most likely be policy lynched tomorrow regardless of Notty's flip. So what's my end game if we're both partners?

I don't think there are 7 scum in this game because TWIE could have just let me sacrifice myself yesterday and win out with his teammates if that were the case. Also, even in a nightless this large, 7 scum still seems a bit much for a pseudo-mountainous setup (and I thought scumteams tended to be smaller in mountainous setups to make up for the lack of town power).

[Brian Skies]

I think deadline is sometime later today, but I'm fine with expediting the process.

Vote: tc

[Brian Skies]

Oh, also, most of the setup spec was wrong.

Initial tribes had to have at least one mafia in them, and were otherwise random;
Swapped tribes were random.
Roles were, as stated, independent of alignment; the scum just happened to roll kind of scummy abilities.

With the exception of the swapped tribes being completely randomized, most of my setup spec was on the mark. But then again, I

was

still right about all the tribes having scum in it.

I'm glad Notty was the last scum because I didn't have any other scumreads. And the reason I ignored PK's request for reasoning on having them so low on my reads list this past day phase was because I didn't have any reason other than to throw out a reads list. Kudos to Notty because he snowed some of us for quite a while.

I think Ank being an actual Survivor was pretty cool, as well as some of the other roles.

I'd also like to apologize to those I may have offended this game. It was an extremely stressful experience for me working with limited information and I feel I may be a little too antagonistic than I need to be when I play.

Thanks for the game.

[Brian Skies]

One solitary kill is good for the hypothetical situation where one person is so town they're clearly going to win the final vote!

I agree a forced med-evac should have been a thing for the scum-team. But the scumteam had an immunity thief who could turn the votes at Tribal Council and what seems to be something that would outright win if it ever made it to the end (not sure, but that's what it seems to be). I did think there were probably 5 scum in this game, but I think 6 would have been fine as well.

The Survivor was pretty much just an extra townie that couldn't afford to be lynched, and in the grand scheme of things for this game, functions and reads like a regular townie. I also think Ank played really well this game.

[Brian Skies]

After Wash's townflip, I just had a really strong feeling you weren't scum. I wavered a few times, but I don't think you would have needed to claim, and even if you did, it would just have done you more harm than good. I noticed the players on this site don't like third-party claims and would rather just lynch them.

[Brian Skies]

I can't access the dead thread. It says "no post mode specified."

[Brian Skies]

For the record, I don't remember begging to be saved. >:[

[Brian Skies]

Oh hey! Look at that!

What a weird

bug

.

[Brian Skies]

I'm disappointed Denise was a 'fakeclaim' and was expecting her to be used in the setup in some form. I think she would at least have been better suited for the 'Survivor' role considering the way her season played out for her.

@PV: I'm sorry for yelling at you earlier. You were in my way of lynching in the name of justice and I should have listened to you more.

[Brian Skies]

It works now. <3

[Brian Skies]

I was also the only town player to draw a season winner. Parvati, Rob, and Sandra all ended up being scum roles and Ank fake-claimed a winner.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, you're right. My mistake. I didn't like that season and stopped watching at one point.

[Brian Skies]

Voting logs?

[Brian Skies]

notscience: Titus

Scumbag.

[Brian Skies]

Wash said he self-voted.

No. He just said lynching him might be beneficial.

[Brian Skies]

I maintain the quitter was not a useless role, though obviously the setup was mostly mountainous and none of the roles were intended to do a whole lot beyond be slightly interesting. My thought was that its best use was close to the end, when the quitter feels the jury will vote for townie X to win but they are about to be voted out. Though it can also be used to protect someone earlier.

I missed this. I agree that it's not a useless role, but it's not a perspective I was able to obtain until after STD pointed out it could be used as a makeshift bodyguard. And it's why I backed off.

I was mostly bothered by the way Farside was crumbing it for leverage. I understand what she was intending to do, but she's still a player I'd rather have around than watch sacrifice herself for another or to get her point across. Her sacrifices in Rawaki would just have been in vain and netted us more townflips anyway.