Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Game over!

[AngryPidgeon]

I would like to hear from the people who haven't been in the thread. Did you have your own thread? Was Peacebringer there with you, if so?

@CuriousKarmaDog: Do you still want to screen NotAnAxehole?

Mantis, the WS/GM hydra, and I were "stuck on caprica". I know this correlates with my flavor for the show. I also think the mods may have drawn some inspiration from the BSG boardgame for my role. I doubt I could be a sleeper agent based on my ability.

Did Tammy's flip get semi-janitored or did I miss where they said her role/alignment? I'm assuming she was town.

MY BRO read sucked.

Peacebringer was not in our neighborhood; I think Toogeloo mentioned what is up with him.

I'm not planning on reading all of D1, because fuck that. I think Valilia and Nikanor are suspicious people maybe. Mantis wants to lynch Sangres; I was unsure about them but the BRO flip is actually making me doubt that read.

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I'd also vote Brian Skies probably.

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Wait I found it. Im dumb.

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I would know it'd be impossible for the flavor to mention that he was a show cylon

Impossible sure is a strong word. But irrelevant, you should full claim your flavor then.

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My TOWN bloc after yesterday's events:
ValiliaRei (the original vote on BRO for noticing the wincon)
Nikanor (the flavor information was key to my push on BRO)
sangres (pushed BRO when BRO was off the table for a while)

gross.

[AngryPidgeon]

BRO got bussed because his teammates were worried about his claiming of fake flavor.

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Ok, lets get this out there right now. there was no 'slipping'. BRO very clearly had a fake role PM for Saul Tight nad just claimed it.

The case on him for 'slipping' is a heaping pile of shit and everyone even still thinking it should feel stupid.

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Tigh and*

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm not allowed to be a lunch. I'm way to go to waste, if I'm scum you pray that u have a 10% of winning if you are town.
If I'm town you let me solve the game if you are town or Nk me if you are scum. You will NEVER myslynch me.

I will have found most town and scum by d4.
Every night I get more info and I'm closer to just solving or at least revealing 6-8 roles for sure.

So far listen and read my posts or get out of my way

Wow.

p-edit: I never said I thought Toog was bussing specifically although Toog was a topic that came up a lot in the neighborhood. Im cautious about him right now.

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Angry so should we lynch all the people who voted bro? Is that ur plan?

Nice of u and nero to come derail.

Probably, yes.

Screen: Val

VOTE: Nikanor

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The way u and nero come Is to divert from the amounts of clearing bro flipping has done.

No, I'm drawing attention to how much clearing it has done, which is to say: zero. The cases on him were pathetic and the wagoners were gross. I think the wagon is full of all of his living buddies barring a sleeper agent.

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Unscreen: Val
Screen: AngryP

Cool, lets get this over with.

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Also RIP uses too many capital letters to be MS

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Because you are naive and making bullshit assertions. granted, mine is pretty out there, but I'm fluffing it up for emphasis.

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Yes, BRO was bussed. Im guessing there were only 4 cylons at game start + 1 sleeper. But prolly at least 2/3 on him.

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What the actual fuck.

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No whats mind blowing is you telling me that my assertion that scum bussed is bad yet you have a guilty on exactly one of those people. I dont care you ass.

Fuck off or claim if you want me to care.

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I know 1-2 most likely did. It makes no sense to all be bussing.

U have said u were exaggerating for emphasis, I get it now.

Ok. I still have no idea what you mean about clears. If you have a legitimate guilty result, then claim your role. Otherwise, stop grand standing.

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Damn. I really thought you were more likely to be scum. If it's not you then it's Valilla. I'm Racetrack and I watched Tammy last night. Those were the only two to visit her and it's why I didn't want to screen her today. I think one, but not both, are scum.

VOTE: Valilla

I can explain more tonight.

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: valilia

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am i the only one who thinks it's real fucking odd that these 3 chumps fly in from bizzarroland and all start posting the same reads that are so upside-down that you'd think they were australian?
i can't be the only one feeling this way.

Mantis and I have been trying to work together and both think each other are town.

WL thinks we are town, but is more sure about Mantis. They were both less active towards the end of D1, but we've still been all sort of being reasonable and discussing reads.

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Also, joke is on scum I was planning on policy voting Tammy for basically her refusal to fix this despite it being brought up in this very game.

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I should be screened Today. Obviously Im not Baltar so there is no risk of wasting a screen on me for that reason. And rather than have people softclaim all fucking day about just how much they aren't baltar and don't mind being screened, lets nip that in the bud and just screen me.

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@Snowstorm: During the discussion of show-Cylon status and Cylon flavour in the rolePM, did you never check your own character to see which it was in the show? Why not, if not?

I never checked. My PM did a pretty good job at convincing me my character was human.

flavor claim.

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Lets face it, this game is aligning with expected flavor pretty reasonably. SS is a great candidate for sleeper agent.

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Please read the rest of the game.
I'm Ellen Tigh, I'm in the same boat as Snow. We can't both be sleepers. There's no point in him flavourclaiming right now.

I know full well what you claimed. There is a pretty big difference between Ellen and other people in the show.

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Whatever, I'm fine with screening Sangres. Anything to prevent Day 2 from becoming a circlejerk when we have a claimed guilty on scum.

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I'd PL RIP at this point I guess.

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Actually before we ride this raptor all the way to earth, I'd like to mention that Brian could be a Mafia Watcher.

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Brian skies.

also if I'm posting in the next 3 hours it's going to be drunk posts. And phone posts
Sooooo ymmv.

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ooba

you seemed town

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consider my screen vote on the leading screen wagon.

I'll vote when it's locked. My reads are shitty.

Mantis is town though. Uhhhh. Ya.

Intent to sheep nero Cain or someone like that all game.

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Let me now take the time out to talk to a special person.

Dear Sleeper Agent,

You're going to get the news that you're a Cylon on D4.

As you can see, we're not doing that great right now.

My advice to you is to relax till day four. Do not use any one-shots you have- you'll probably need them when you're the lone scum.

And for heaven's sake - don't use those protective abilities

!

Town's going to be like "But the probability of anybody being a sleeper is like 1/17" - that's not technically true - the mods designed the setup - so you know how your abilities have the duality of helping town\scum. Think about the setup and you'll know what I'm telling you is true.

That's it.

And good luck!

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Ya I'm also pretty confused why people are taking confirmed scum seriously.

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What's the point in not doing it, to be sure?

Because valilia is pretty obviously not cylon. Sleeper agent, maybe.

Everyone else in the game has 2 chances of being a cylon and one chance of being a sleeper (approximate). So other people are like 3x more likely to be scum and I think its fairly obvious that a guilty result at this point in the game is worth a lot more than an innocent result.

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Unless of course you REALLY REALLY buy that whole argument that
1) Scum actually know who the sleeper agent is (ok I guess)
2) Scum actually know this persons role ...which is evidently a JoaT role that they have very inside info on (uhhhhhhh)
3) Ooba is risking outing someone just to pass on some information to them that is not really that useful (uhhhhhhhh)
4) Valilia is clearly this person because she has claimed a 1-shot role. (uhhhhhhh)
tl;dr: Crappy logic is almost as crappy as the case on BRO that happened to hit scum.

Yes Im salty still.

[AngryPidgeon]

If we aim at scum, we can hit the sleeper; aiming at the sleeper, means aiming at town, meaning we're less likely to hit scum and just as likely to hit the sleeper.

I don't want to townread you just on the basis of you pushing objectively good policy, but I'm in a mood and I'm going to!

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What is less likely to lead somewhere is a crap shoot

No, actually thats the point. A crapshoot is about 3x more likely to lead somewhere.

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Angry hasn't done anything and notice his silence after OOBA outed.

I'm not going to read a fucking activity case on me that has to do with me not posting in a time period of LESS THAN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. No, fuck that. I swear to all things holy that I will policy lynch you with extreme prejudice if the quality of your posts (and the amount of jerking yourself off they contain) doesn't improve. And by improve on the amount of circlejerking I mean STOP.

people that I want dead

LLD
Sangres
WS

Mmmm, maybe. I thought she was town yesterday but I'm currently reevaluating past reads due to being wrong on a few major accounts.
Maybe, but probably not. I don't really have a good explanation but my gut thinks ffery is town. I don't like their push on NRO though, -hitoshrug-.
No. I think WS is town enough for now.

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You're seeing something in the post that I didn't see when it hit the thread. I'm thinking about it, but it doesn't feel right.

I thought 1302 was directed at RIP because iirc RIP was being a gigantic incomprehensible troll just a few posts earlier.

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I think I'm a little bit suspicious of CKD and NAAH even though I had townreads on them D1.

RIP is town, just annoyingly so. Toog is town, Brian is probably town but will likely get sorted at night regardless now. Same with VR.

I still think my whole neighborhood is town. Peacebringer could be scum maybe. I'm really not sure how that would fit into the mechanics, but I mean I guess? Null there.

Nero appears to be his normal self this game, not overly interested in pursuing him. Even less interested in him proving his restriction. Somewhat interested in a flavor claim, but meh.

Sangres, Bookitty, SS are reads I should develop more. I think they are town-ish but I wouldn't stake a huge amount on that just yet.

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@mantis: I certainly think Nero isn't lying about his restriction. I would kind of like him to flavor claim since I think mechanics are actually making a lot of sense with what I'd expect this game. I think a sleeper agent effectively weakens scum early game just fine w/o a voting restriction. If we are all town, then its likely 13:4 at D1 and that gets balanced by having 4 townies join the game and one townie becoming scum.

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Why are we screening Prozac? 'Cause he has a tinfoil theory that Val is the sleeper and you guys think he's actually manipulative scum?

Ya I'm skimming right now. Today is my first day at new job.

I don't get the screen wagon on Porochaz though. Hes certainly at least being superficially protown. Enough so that I'm inclined to trust my gut town read on him. Not sure why people think hes a good screen over me, sangres, or LLD.

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CKD is asking all these questions that would be obvious if he would just read the thread.

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Or maybe comprehending Poro's desire to screen VR is really that hard to understand, idk.

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1.

If Ooba was trying to reach out to someone with multiple one-shot powers to tell them that they were the sleeper, Val is the only possible one he could have meant

because no one else had reported such powers. Maybe the scum know the role of the sleeper too, but we have no way of knowing that.

The bolded is just mind numbingly wrong.

Like, no? If scum know who the sleeper agent is and know shit about their role, then he could be referring to MOST PEOPLE who haven't claimed yet. What the fuck.

Can we stop talking about Ooba and VR? Hes managed to create PAGES of horseshit in which we argue good policy and CKD asks us to spoonfeed him an explanation of the process at every single step of the way, only delayed a few pages. Jesus. Can we just make a halfway decent screen and quicklynch confirmed trolling scum? The sooner we never talk about the WIFOM behind confirmed scum's posts the sooner I can get back to directing my bitter disappointment towards RIP posts.

P-edit: Like right where I'm reading right now you literally just asked Poro why he thought/knew VR was the sleeper when he already explained that she is probably a JOAT and Ooba was talking about a JOAT.

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Nero, you will townread me sometime

Actually you did in X-men mafia so I can't QQ about how you always scumread me. TBF though, I roll scum in like 50% of the games you are in with me.

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AP why are you saying that you'd make a good screen?

Because a lot of people don't trust me. My previous desire to just pick someone who isn't Gaius to prevent claimageddon from happening is pretty moot at this point. I don't care though, I'll vote who ever is the leading wagon because I don't think it is going to matter that much.

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Would be kinda lame if peace were scum

I thought Toogeloo made a reasonable point there. If PB is scum, then evidently he has no way to talk to his team. And evidently he only gets to be in the thread for one game Day? That would be pretty bizarre. I have no idea what will happen to him if Toog dies, but flavor/setup sort of implies he is town? I don't know.

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Porochaz screen is dumb but I'm voting it if its the closes to hammer later tonight.

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-shrug-, its a power heavy game so hitting two scum right away is likely going to swing it to towns favor. With any luck Ooba is a RB or strongman or something.

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Btw Nero!!! I have a FANTASTIC DEAL!! in store for YOU!!!!!!!
Prove your vote restriction TODAY and I won't lynch you LATER!!!

GREAT DEAL, W O W ! ! ! ! !

Bad post.

Nero wouldn't fake a vote restriction and I'm not interested in him testing it.

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I'll look at the neighborhood later. I'm just doing a driveby right now.

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^ Why on earth does anyone want to screen that?

P-edit: Uh, yes there is. How am I going to sheep Nero if he is vote restricted Tomorrow?

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Are CKD and Axehole in a neighborhood or something? I forgot to ask before, but one of them said something that made me wonder.

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And I wonder how many people who are chaining my lynch tomorrow actually have any sort of read on me. Because a lot of the verbage in this game, and the intent behind it does not match.

I do not expect you to flip scum, Lady Lambdadelta. I expect you to die.

Care to elaborate why?

I mean, if your goal this game is really to just lynch scum, then why this lynch?

I just gagged a little bit.

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I'm having fun, because I'm not screaming at people.

I'm having fun, because I've restrained myself from telling someone their IQ is lower than their shoesize.

But these things are fun! For instance, I'm very much enjoying complaining about RIP even if my complaints might make you think otherwise.

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@Poro: Your backandforth with LLD is self-fulfillingly pointless. I mean come on. Just stop talking to her. Its not going to get anyone anywhere. Also, I get why she'd vote to screen you. I'm planning on hammering the first screen wagon to get to L - 1.

you could always replace out if you dont care.

Mine are 13s!

You fought tooth and nail to stop the screen on BROseidon

Well the screen on BRO was a terrible idea. If it came back positive then there would have been a huge clusterfuck debate about whether it means flavor or win con. He clearly was trying to go for the 'miller' angle. You don't investigate millers. So not investigating him was pretty much a bad idea. Why are you saying it was good?

Perhaps I will better digest your posts if you tell me all about the food that you spilled on yourself that was originally destined for your stomach

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Woah, I failed at quoting CKD there but its not game related so not gonna fix that.

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So not investigating him was pretty much a bad idea.

good idea*
Wow I cant make posts today.

By the power of buldermar, I HAVE THE SPAM.

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could someone quickly explain to me the difference between Nik and Bro. Bro claimed that he was a Cylon and Nik claimed that his Character was Cylon?

I think the difference is that BRO said that his role flavor

specifically

called him a cylon. Nikanor's character is also a cylon (like BRO's fake claim) but his flavor didn't say anything about it? Or maybe Im confusing him with Snowstorm.

Whatever, I'd be surprised if all human players are humans. There were a fair number of 'good guys' in the show who turned out to be cylons. They still were aligned with the humans though. In fact BRO's fake flavor tells me that the mods find these characters to be pro-town. Saul Tigh would have been a pro-town cylon.

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I'm Saul Tigh.

It's not useless. I'm letting you know that Saul Tigh does not exist. He was a fake claim that BRO used. So Saul Tigh will not be answering your question.

So the day 1 lynch fake claim conclusively proves there is no Saul tigh?

Thanks for your input, it wasn't ignored, I just think its invalid.

Its not. Obviously BRO had a safe claim for Saul Tigh. Holy crap.

Also, why is it standard on this site to answer questions that aren't for you -> interfering with scum hunting. That's such garbage and people need to stop doing that shit.

Because your question was truly terrible and your refusal to listen to someone who has experience on the matter is even worse.

If there were a real Saul Tigh in the game, I think he would have counterclaimed.

Thank god for common sense.

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Ya guys, IDK. My reads are all rather nebulous right now. I have townreads that I feel varying degrees of ok about, but nothing is really ironclad in my mind.

LLD could be scum although I'm inclined to believe she is town. Same with Bookie.

RIP actually has me a little bit concerned, but I'm going to think about that one more. RIP is giving me a fair number of things that look town, but my gut is telling me that the bigger picture with RIP might be to look past such things since he clearly has some idea of what he is doing in this game. Like I could see ME doing the shit he is doing as scum potentially. Axehole is in a similar tier. His whole spheal about Saul Tigh looks mostly pointless to me? I'm not sure where he was trying to go with that and it looks like a potential attempt to distance from inside knowledge about fake claims.

Also Porochaz is a townie and RIP taking a swipe at him for the LLD/Poro walls was dumb and should be talked about.

Still pretty sure on Mantis-town. I'm willing to admit doubt on the WL-slot.

Ffery, what do you think about Axehole Today? How has your read on that progressed this game?

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Sorry, I just have little-to-no tolerance for people who claim ignorance and simultaneously willfully ignore talking to someone who is clearly trying to correct that.

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Jesus. Can we just make a halfway decent screen and quicklynch confirmed trolling scum?

so much anger, so little and useless actions.

Loool. What actions do you want me to take? I'm hammering the first screen wagon to get to L1 and then I'm voting ooba. I'm not voting ooba until the screen is set because I don't trust all you adorable dummies to not lynch him before we get a screen.

Lol @ Axehole.

@Poro: What did your talk with LLD do for you? Are you townreading her now?

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why wait to hammer the screen?

My vote is spiritually on whoever is the leading screen wagon. I'm not motivated enough to update that constantly.

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@Valilia: I'm guessing BRO was being honest when he said he couldn't identify the sleeper. Seems like a fairly random thing to claim otherwise. But who knows.

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VOTE: Ooba

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lol@ axehole.

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I still think he's town. hilariously town in that interaction with Vil about saul tigh/ellen.

I have some footnotes to maybe rethink at some point down the line.

What's your read of him?

Annoyed I guess. I don't know. You are probably right. I recall thinking he was town during D1 but I can't remember why now. His latest OMGUS looks like the drpyness I'd expect from town.

Are you guys town on Andy? We all thought he was scummy D1 and hes sort of fallen off my radar. My last recollection is that Mantis thought he was town and I read a wall from him that made me ambivalent about my previous read.

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That was a waste of a screen.

Ya. Can we screen Andrius Today? I just realized that I want to screen Andrius.

Screen: Andrius

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I completely agree, the more I look at the game, the more I think LLD is town. I don't think it's a terrible screen today. I think we should either screen LLD or Andrius, lynch mantis.

LLD is kind of a neutral screen, but I don't really want to. I lean town on her and if she IS scum, her insistence that she be screened screams Godmother.

Why are you and CKD hating on Mantis all of a sudden?

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Do you think that Tammy was backup to scum?

Huh? As in the sleeper agent? No?

Also RE TWL: Nikanor I kind of think your posts look town Today and that is exciting. Can you explain the TWL read to me? I refuse to compromise on a Mantis read; she is town. What do you think about Andrius right now?

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Ohhhh Tammy was a backup admiral. I have not even the slightest idea. Someone said that Helena Cain is probably in the game (my personal first thought was that Apollo is currently the Admiral, but Helena makes sense as well). Neither of these characters make sense as scum if you are basing flavor off the show (which the game has aligned with reasonably well so far) but I'm not willing to stake reads on show-flavor just yet. So, I have no idea.

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Maybe I speak caffeine. I'm actively drinking tea as a sort of nicotine patch for coffee.

You can call TWL's outrage fake, but that doesn't make it fake. I got the impression that they might be sensitive to pressure in the neighborhood as a playstyle thing. Don't get me wrong though, you could be right; I just think calling outrage fake is a bit like rounding pi to 3.14 when you want to send a rocket to the moon.

I'd have to check the neighborhood but IIRC all 3 of us called Ooba town on D1. I know I explicitly said that Ooba's posts sucked but that they looked town.

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PB could be a Mafia Traitor of sorts. Who the hell knows. But ya I'd say PB is a low priority topic, ranking slightly higher than criticizing LLD's inactivity and lower than sleeper agent spec.

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Huh? I clearly missed something here.

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What do we know about PB's role? How is it known that he did anything to Andrius? What are the nature of those results - is it a name cop or something?

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Andrius are you claiming "Admiral". Whatever the role Tammy was a backup to?

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I guess. I'm becoming concerned about how straightforward the setup is so far. The flavor seems largely correlated to the show and it almost looks breakable with claiming everything.

Are CDB and Nexus really complete trolls at making theme games?

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I'm not lynching sangres Today. We can screen them if you guys really want, but I'm 100% opposed to lynching them.

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Whatever, I'm not sold on Andrius being town. I'm not going to accept flavor reasons at this juncture.

Screen: sangres

because people want to lynch them and I think that is a bad idea.

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Snow should flavor claim. Right now I'm guessing he is Boomer and that makes him prime Sleeper Agent material. Of course presuming that flavor will continue to match the show.

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Probably the same reason that I don't believe in any particular definition of God, but I also find it unlikely that there isn't one.

--

IDK, I could justify myself but really my thoughts are the following:
My observations lead me to believe that the game is highly based on flavor (my own role even makes me think it) which leads to potential security vulnerabilities that massclaiming + spec might expose.
My belief is that CDB and Nexus probably know better than to put shit in a game that is breakable so there is likely some sort of unexpected thing yet to be revealed. For instance, a Human in the show turning out to be a sleeper agent here.

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I don't trust anything from PB at all, because PB is not around to post anything and isn't using Toogeloo as a voice even remotely.

PB soft-clearing Andrius on Flavor is wonky and I don't like it. But I'm also willing to tip my fedora to the fact that flavor is aligning with roles. Frankly the claimed flavor for PB is a bit sketch in that department though, so eh.

Andrius is caring way too much about PB and that is largely because PB is 'clearing' him.

His comments about his role and Tammy's really remind me of:

Spoiler:

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So what would Tammy be backup to, if not Cain?

Nothing?

I don't want to say how likely I think it is because I know I'm paranoid and overthink things oftentimes.

Basically Andrius having Helena as a fakeclaim makes sense though he could be whoever and have whatever as his role.

Yes?

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I don't think PB is a sleeper agent. Well, maybe. The fact that he can't be in the thread makes him either a Mafia Traitor or a Town voteless lover that can actually clear Andrius.

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Having a backup role with no primary role is not-bastard. It would actually pass a normal review.

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What the fuck does that prove?

If PB isn't reading the game then PB isn't reading the game.

That means fuckall about his alignment.

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I really want to screen sangres Today. I think its the right move.

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If many people are thinking he's scum, then it's probably a good screen just to clear that.

That is exactly why I want to screen them. I have no idea how Boo ended up getting screened despite no one really wanting to lynch her.

If sangres is scum, great. Otherwise, we just stopped a mislynch on a strong slot.

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Ugh, I bet you like multifaction games.

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VOTE: Snowstorm

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AP you're making me nervous.

Sorry. What can I do to fix that? Cause I know this post is sure not going to fix it.

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@ffery: yes and no. I have concerns about snow but hearing you say it too made me like the vote more than I did before you mentioned them.

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vote snowstorm

screen sangres

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

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town players post scummy shit all the time, its not this super duper scumtell that you think it is.

Town players also flake and lurk though

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So what happened to kill?

I'm down with a wrong lynch wagon. All aboard

Only scum would want a wrong lynch wagon. Scum slip much?

I have to be silly. I'm tired and drunk and work was Meh today.

Ya idk. Let me be more careful about my reads. The t:s ratio is pretty high and I'm getting lazy + disheartened that my two town reads flipped maf. Tell you what. I'm going to smoke a blunt to celebrate my first week back at work. I will peruse this game when I'm good and crisp.

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I'm mad we had Prozac almost screened and scum switch to boo kitty who I had lock cleared. Well played fuckers

Thank you captain hindsight.

Please regale me with more tales of your scum hunting prowess

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I'm phone posting so quotes are hard.

TWL: what are you saying about Andy and VR? I don't get how no fake claims makes them town for the push. At all. Choose your words with caution. I also don't really think that mod meta is strictly applicable in a mod hydra game.

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Also how are they likely not a sleeper agent? A sleeper would just be a regular townie on D1..... so them pushing bro wouldn't matter

Also who is ready to be 99% sure the sleeper has activated when tomorrow dawns?!

This guy.

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Someone get on my wave length. I feel lost. Too much confidence, circle jerking, and setup spec. I need someone to appeal to my inner whimsy and roll with it. Well boo did a bit but now she's conftown anyhow.

Bs could still be mafia btw. Throwing that one out again.

I see ... everything!

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Alright ffery, my reads suck but I towned pretty hard in my last few posts. Yw. <3

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but also wrong is a bad lunch. Much tastier options.

I love you nero

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I feel like the whole thing about SnowStorm saying 'mislynch' is pedantic. I think it was clear what he meant and I don't see anything scummy about what he said.

I also find myself sympathizing with his recent posts.

@Angry Pidgeon - You're having to ask a lot of questions about things like who claimed what and when. Why is this?

I can't respond to this without getting annoyed. If you don't understand my mindset re the game state and flavor at this point, I can't help. I've already laid it out as best I can. I am not basing my post on Ooba. I just strongly suspect that the sleeper flipped or will by tomorrow because any later in the game would be fairly absurd from a role-design perspective.

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@angry same goes to u... I'm so good I knew the flip. So did u correct?
I knew it and u did too cuz u scum.

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Maybe it's a telescoped time thing due to my replacing in and your not being an active part of day 1. You started day 2 pretty suspicious of us and I feel like that read evolved really fast and free compared to the last time you and I played.

It did. I haven't really critically thought about your slot at all this game. I thought you looked townish on D1; the BRO flip made me doubtful. I thought BRO looked town so I assumed you seeing otherwise meant you were scum. Which is shitty and I realized at some point that I subconsciously felt that way a bit. So after realizing that, I'm back to remembering some of your posts that gave me townvibes. Nothing in particular about you thins game, but I think your dynamic as a hydra and individuals all looks rather uninhibited. Like the kind of stuff that mastin and I have gotten heat for as town when hydraing, but also hilariously town in our in-your-face approach with 3 prongs.

Starting to drift towards wanting a RIP lynch. For policy if nothing else.

I keep wanting to townhunt, but that isn't a super practical approach to the game right now. Too many factors to consider with pseudo flavor and role clears and too many gut feels from people like my neighborhood. Not really sure what side of my brain I really want to trust right now. I only have a few constants in both worlds and Sangre-town is one of the bigger ones right now. Nero and mantis are pretty firm reads too I guess.

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Sangres, I'm getting cold feet about this lynch.

but then again I don't feel very strongly about any lynch right now other than a vague distaste for the popular options.

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Wait really? Since when?

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Can we take a look at this please?

Vote: AP

I don't even remotely know where you are going with those 2 posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

You think that me asking Poro about you and then saying I think you are town is scummy? I don't even.

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Angry why would u want to kill a conf town? Is that gonna help ur team?

VOTE: RIP

I'm done for the Day.

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I really wish the screen wasn't used on Sangres at this point.

It's for the greater good. I'll be damed before I let them get mislynched this game.

[AngryPidgeon]

I feel like RIP lost his mind the last couple pages.

last couple pages?!

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People are making some annoying assumptions about setup and night action spec.

Ninjas could be limited shot.
Scum may have no killed.
Valilia could be lying about her role and be god knows what.

Not that any of that is -probable-.

Also the sleeper is just a giant ??? right now.

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Slightly concerned about ckd. Brian still concerns me although his point about a rolecop and tracker being flipped makes sense. If he is a sleeper though, then it makes sense for scum to no kill here potentially.

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The other most likely possibility that AP brought up is no kill... Which at this stage I think would be a strange approach for scum.

Meh. I had a random thought while reading on the way to work Today which was that if Brian is a sleeper, then maybe scum wanted to wait until he flips before killing. Risking getting watched is a big deal, so maybe they could wait out the threat. I don't know. It seems fairly clear that scum have to get rid of Toogeloo at this point, so I really don't know.

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I hope WS is sthar8. It'd give me so much pleasure to lynch his whiny spoiled ass.

Can we not talk shit about people who AREN'T EVEN IN THE GAME?

Lots of votes on us but no real reasonings to dig into and have fun rebutting

So, you are claimng that you are town, if you believe that there's a current bandwagon on you with no or little reason I am confused as to why you aren't yelling and screaming about scum opportunistically hoping on you.

That's what you would be doing. Hell, thats what I might be doing. Its silly to expect this behavior from everybody though and even then I'd say something like this is pretty alignment neutral most of the time.

not to me, he had a town read on Kitty, Kitty got screened and he said it was a waste. I'm not seeing whats so scummy.

You're coming very close to getting directly into my line of questioning. I'd like for you to not do that for a bit plz.

why was that? if you were suspicious of his quote, why put it off?

I'm not seeing it. I read that Sangres post and it reminded me how town they are and you are here doubtcasting their intentions. Sorry, but I don't get it. Still mott though since they are getting screened.

[AngryPidgeon]

moot*

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I might be ok with lynching LLD I guess. My read on her isn't something I feel strongly about. Enough people think shes scummy + her awful push on me is pretty good reason.

Sangres, where are you guys with LLD read? I see you have her as light-town, but you haven't really talked about her.

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Nacho, your case on LLD is essentially that no effort = town. I'm the kind of player you are describing LLD as and I'm not immune to lurking as scum.. it happens.

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I think SS is town and believe me when I say that comes with having seen what you are saying about him feeling different and a general dagger of paranoia. LLD looks like the best viable lynch option to me right now. I certainly prefer her to the wrong lynch slot.

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holy effing sextupal (septupal if this post doubles) posting. This site needs a post flood prevention for accidental resubmits of posts.

Toogeloo = Nero Cain alt confirmed. But Nero doesn't DP anymore. So you'd have to be a Nero alt from the past, which probably explains the double posts. Time is like a giant ball you know; wibbly-woblly timey-wimey.

(Yes I just made a Dr. Who ref in a BSG game #dealwithit )

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Not to spill Chardonnay on your brightly feathered vest coat, AP, but I have no idea what you just said. And I am a fan of BOTH series.

Its ok, my post wasn't very relevant or well thought out.

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TWL: what are you saying about Andy and VR? I don't get how no fake claims makes them town for the push. At all. Choose your words with caution. I also don't really think that mod meta is strictly applicable in a mod hydra game.

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@Nero: I'm going to be cross with you if TWL gets mislynched Today. Or at all this game for that matter.

Heads up.

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Why? Like this is the same issue that I have with TWL, why look at me instead of the ones sheeping? Of course now that I know that its Mala it explains the lack of scumhunting but I'd still be ok with lynching this.

Because I want you to use your powers for good.

You are a good player, but I think you are getting complacent in shoving the wrong lynch and interpreting everything they do as scummy. I was in the neighborhood with them on Day 1 and I think they are town. Some of their indignation and focus really makes me want to believe it. My vote to screen Sangres was partially to throw you a bone. I'm willing to consider LLD-scum, but I think wrong lynch is the wrong lynch.

And especially now that shes claimed Malakittens, I'd expect you to realize that some of this is pretty much par for the course for her.

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I have a question: Why are you voting me? 3rd times a charm.

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Ya. They do.

One of them is attempting to understand Porochaz.

The other is expressing an opinion.

good job

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Ya. They do.

One of them is attempting to understand Porochaz.

The other is expressing an opinion.

good job

Nope, it's not the face value shit I'm talking about.

Well I'm sure glad you are explaining the subtleties of all the scummy stuff you found in my posts. So that people might actually care about your case.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bridges have been burned.

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TWL is one of my few cold reads in the game that I feel good about.

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The other being basically just Sangres.

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Sangres, what are your thoughts on Brian Skies?

Pardon if you've already expressed them recently.

I realize he is claiming watcher and I realize we have a flipped Rolecop / Tracker. Maybe my paranoia is irrational, but I'd like to talk about rather than write him off for setup right now.

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Mfw Nero keeps doing what I said he was doing:

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If TWL gets to l1, I'm hammering them. But I'm vote parking people and ignoring everyone who was on the wagon as I please for the rest of the game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Poro might be scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

You're the one who isn't understanding my question - why is a policy lynch better than lynching someone you find scummy, no matter how slight?

This is pointless.

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I think policy lynching is obnoxious, but I had a town read on NAA and wanted to try to see it from his side because maybe he has a point for whatever reason.

If you don't like PLs then you don't like PLs. RIP is a PL because he is hard to understand and extremely frustrating. Plus, I don't see any compelling reasons to be townreading him right now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Policy Lynches should be reserved for when it's clearly advantageous to do so and when no other reasonable lynch can be determined.

I guess but the TWL lynch is garbage and LLD is only a little bit better.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm saying that she's town, BoP aside.

[AngryPidgeon]

V/LA until the 30th

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. I find the fact that you are trying make it look like I'm bullying you or being mean to you to be scummy a fuck.

Jesus christ, Nero.

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Like, I think you are pretty scummy but AP is insisting that you are town despite not actually doing anything protown so right now I am weighing the idea of AP scum knowing that you are town and AP being town and just being wrong.

Loooooool

Loool.

Lol.

Ya TWL and I are confirmed opposite alignments. Cause there is no way I could be reading them right.

[AngryPidgeon]

I have given my reasons. The fact that my showCylon role PM flavour contradicted BROseidon's should make me nearly confirmed town.

[AngryPidgeon]

How is Mantis not being useful a scumtell when it's obvious that she's not reading?

Because she is TRYING TO LOOK USEFUL without actually being useful. This isn't a really in depth point. Come on, get your head in the game.

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We are still u decided? There has to be a scum in top two wagons. This is why it's been so hard.

Had there been two town I think scum concentrate in getting one lynch no matter what.

Ya, all two of them? Wow such traction. Such mislynch Forgetting the fact that the T:S ratio is through the roof right now which is making it hard to scumhunt in the first place.

The wagons are stalling because they are shitty wagons and people (like me) are whiteknighting them.

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UNVOTE: RIP
VOTE: Snowstorm

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I'm drunk. And in Orlando ooooooooooooo....

So say we all!

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Hey guys I'm still vla.

I see we are lynching lld. I mean ok, whatever. I'll take that over twl. Also I can't wait to troll all you clowns with my role at some point in the near future.

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Spoiler:

scum can also "forget" about their restrictions.

i'm sure he was aware of what he was doing

i dunno, if TWL and LLD are town, nero looks bad, i think.

I mean, yes? Of course he could. But what'd be the point of refusing to test his restriction earlier (d2), and then faking a slip on d3? I just don't really buy the whole orchestrated magnificent bastard bit.

cause why not

it's really not that farfetched or anything. the point would be to look town for it. he's my on the burner possibly maybe scum read....


i am just not so sure of LLD and TWL being scum. LLD is doing more stuff. and i'm buying into Mala's frustration.

i will never let go of my sangres suspicion

Are you kidding me? Nero is town and this push is wtf levels of posting from you.

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Tbf, nero, your reads are pretty bad this game.

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At least your current reads, I don't really remember what you were doing on D1

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Hey guys I'm still vla.

I see we are lynching lld. I mean ok, whatever. I'll take that over twl. Also I can't wait to troll all you clowns with my role at some point in the near future.

I can't say much more about it either... It's better than TWL, but it's not great. I would prefer Poro or Mantis tbh. What do you think of those?

Uncertain. Which is unfortunately most of my reads. I currently think mantis is scummier than twl. Porochaz hasn't really done anything that I recall getting town feels from all Day. So I'd probably lynch that but wouldn't feel amazing about it. I'd lynch either of these over twl. Over lld, I'm less certain, but probably.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also anyone still taking about sangres is yawn inducing. Holy shit.

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Hey clownfucks. We aren't lynching twl.

[AngryPidgeon]

Like officially now. No take backsies

[AngryPidgeon]

^ With that being said, everyone voting for snowstorm should probably jump ship now.

Do I have to?

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Also some people in this game are clueless, verging on daft.

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Sure I have.

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Elusive is mafia.

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VOTE: Mantis

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Elusive is mafia.

Some people in this game are clueless, verging on daft.

Well if you can't figure out why I'm saying it (hint: not for comedic effect, I'm addressing something blindingly obvious) then the irony continues to eclipse your snark in addressing my potentially wrong opinion.

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Lol ok. I could maybe post more but I'm on vacation and on my phone. Nero stated that the govern on twl would have to be claimed. And rip is calling them confscum. I'm pretty fed up with both of those so imagine me rolling my eyes aggressively at how objectively bad their reaction was.

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Further, vote mantis for great success plz.

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I'm mostly null on LLD, but leaning town. I trust sangres on her a bit. Loose town read for some one-off posting.

Nero is town, just wrong. His attitude has been town and I don't see any compelling cases on him. The breaking his pr for cred was such a shit case it actually makes him more town.

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Lmao.

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Nikanor should die at some point

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ResidentSleeper

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Wow lld. Fuck you too.

It'll be too soon if I never play with you again.

[AngryPidgeon]

Please don't convince yourself that you are taking the hough road. You are toxic.

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High*

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Whatever. I'm going to pretend that this never happened because otherwise I'm going to be upset and that'll carry over irl. I'd appreciate it if you did something similar.

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This game is going to finally make me insane

Pedit: that

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I'm the Admiral so screening me is pointless.

yep, we should definitely screen here.

I'd be down for that.

Also imo I'm hilariously town for leading the sangres screen wagon but I don't expect people to care.

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I'm still okay with screening Axe. He's been opposed to it all game, but if he's a hated role it kind of makes sense why he'd think it'd be a waste. I'm just a little paranoid because he targeted me yesterday and he's targeting our admiral today. It just seems like he could be trying to make some kind of dent in our steady supply of screen results.

Holy shit no. We aren't screening axe. Veto.

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omglol

you've found the sleeper.

I'll be over there in there in the corner thinking about all my crimes against the cylons.

Hahahaha. Welp. I don't suppose you'd mind telling us when you flopped. Today?

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VOTE: TWL

Do I have to govern this again? I will be a petty ass if you guys keep doing this.

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I found out when I read the damn thread tonight.

I'm just glad my town read on you was right. That's really lane though.

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Dude. There isn't 2 + a sleeper in the game. It's likely 4+1. There is defo still scum alive somewhere.

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Caught up, not sure what to add atm. Probably 2 scum left. It's nice that the sleeper is confirmed now. Ironically, I'm tempted to sheep ffery's read on SS.

There have been no kills for two days now, what about the other?

Also Sangres said they found out over Night so I'm guessing they were allowed to make the kill and did.

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Brian skies, you are saying some really questionable things man. What's up with that?

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Sadly, I think elusive is town here.

And a potentially bad screen. Axe hole is town.

I'd vote to screen TWL if you sillies still think they are maf but wow such a waste.

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*shrugz*

you'll either flip sleeper or scum but I am not sure why AP is so willing to believe that.

Because I'm actually good at reading into people's sentiments; this is my domain.

Also I was like 99% sure they were town before Today anyhow.

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no surprise here but I don't really agree that scum can't have a gov.

Scum had a governor in this game, check the first post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34790

I'm not the one arguing that scum can't have a Governor.

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Yes, I'm town and I'm sick and tired of being tunneled in every single game by one moron. In this game its two. There's an amazing theme and possibly mass claim.could open the game but instead of talking about the game I have to once more deal with endless dumb tunneling. Like either kill me or move on.

Well lets start with your vote on Sangres. Because thats objectively bad right now. Vote someone else.

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People ate going to feel dumb when Sangres flips sleeper. And I know the sleeper agent flips as such because I asked the mod a while back.

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Valilia claimed to RB Sangres. Which could explain it, but her last post also made some sense. Also kill missing from two nights ago so something is weird.

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I don't think he did.

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I still think Brian could be scum.

I fully realize that there are several concrete objections to this. Chiefly, he has a semi-proven role claim and that role seems unlikely to exist with the 2 flipped scums. Toogeloo is an interesting piece of the Brian puzzle since Brian is effectively preventing Toogeloo from being killed (barring potentially relevant mafia PRs still alive) and the back-to-back no kills are really leaving a lot more questions than they are answering. It'd be nice if Brian could summarize all of his night results when he next posts, without censoring specific names.

VR is still a cold read for me that I'm not really wanting to let go because the reasons for sweeping her under the mat going around (gone around) never really did much for me. All we know is that she targeted Tammy with a role and is now claiming a block on Sangres. I'm not sold that targeting Tammy with <lol some action> is indicative of town here. I'm also not sure that the claimed block is super interesting. There is a chance that Sangres wasn't even aware they were Mafia over the night?; this would make the block on them benign and potentially scum motivated. The lack of kill from the previous night makes me inclined to not take the implication that she blocked last nights kill as probable.

If Brian is maf, he could just be a JoaT of some sort which would make more sense than being a full Watcher. IDK. Or x-shot and is just faking it for w/e reason (as either alignment?). Hes a big cold read for me right now which is why I'm trying to focus on the points for him being town right now.

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I'm going to flavor claim because I don't ~really~ see a reason not to at this point. I'm Helo. I have morals and such and obv am a Governor. TWL should claim since they were also on Caprica although without much research, it still seems probable that they could easily be town or scum from flavor spec related to the neighborhood and will likely have a relevant townclaim either way for flavor.

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Town

AngryPidgeon - Hi
Bookitty - Mafia Godfather
THE WRONG LYNCH (goodmorning/Wrong Song hydra) - I refuse to believe otherwise. Their attitude screams town and I don't get the pushes on them in the slightest.
PeaceBringer - lol, what were the mods thinking with this role. I guess its just town because otherwise who gives a shit.
Nero Cain - Pretty sure this is just tunnely, conf-biasy town Nero. Push on TWL looks way too forced to be from scum-Nero. Handling of Vote restriction looks town. Not seeing scum here at all.
Toogeloo - If Toog is scum then WTF.
NotAnAxehole - This is a pretty easy read. I don't see how people think shooting Sangres is a bad move here. Attitude reads like town.
RIP - Sigh. I have some ~reasons~ for thinking he's town here even if I want to claw my eyes out when he posts. Recent meta suggests this is just his town game.

Meh....?

Porochaz - Having a hard time nailing a read down here. Seen some faint town indicators but they also just drop off the radar for periods at a time. I'd probably lynch/screen this, but his self-screen vote makes me loosely think not-scum? I don't know.
Andrius/Elusive - Their focus reads town; I mean they are seriously faking a lot of rage if scum and I don't think that is the case. Still more meh than anything, but leaning town by a tangible margin.
Lady Lambdadelta - I don't even know. Sangres had a townread on her which I'm inclined to trust. Gut thinks she's town, not very strong read.
curiouskarmadog - Could be mafia I guess. I could see this from a setup perspective. Posts make me think light-town. His scum game has certainly improved a lot if he is scum here. Would screen Today, might lynch Later if we really are not sure where to look.

Tigers

ValiliaRei
Brian Skies
SnowStorm
Nikanor

Sangres, wherefore art thou Sangres?

sangres

[AngryPidgeon]

I think I asked pregame and the mods said they would refuse to answer.

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TBH, I only really skimmed d1. I could go back and see the extent to which he did.

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What questionable things? If you disagree with something I've said, you're more than welcome to point it out and discuss it with me.

First of all, you didn't claim your results? And I can't remember yesterday's results either. Or was that the "Im not outing player X". Either way, Ew.

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I don't know how it happened but apparently I never sent in my watch last night.

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I still find it interesting to see how many people suspect LLD and yet the wagon on her never seems to go anywhere.

-Shrug-, are you implying that all of her scum buddies are defending her?

All ... one of them? Or whatever?

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CHAMPION OF THE SCUM
You're a master of mislynching
And bad reads
On everyone

I strongly dislike how well you are playing your role as conf-scum right now.

Like.

aAthe dummies are refusing to believe obvious facts. Like the one where you are obviously the sleeper.

And they are gonna gobble up all of this WIFOM and charge forward with the TWL lynch.

Or is nero just maf and I'm bad at the game?

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"I didn't forget, I just didn't remember"?

That was a pretty hilarious post tbh Im laughing a modest amount right now.

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I should probably vote to screen and lynch someone.

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Real post when I'm not on phone.

Ugh idk. Porochaz screen isn't the worst thing ever. Could also do Nik maybe. Snowstorm lynch?