) In post 44, mastin2 wrote:On the contrary, I'd break out a chainsaw for those attacking Ozgin.In post 21, Soren wrote:This is not looking good for ozgin
) VyseTheIdiot wrote:I'm cool with Molla at the moment. I like his posts. Short version is that just I'm going to be lazy and say I pretty much agree with Om's **2290**. I kinda feel skipping the night early is good regardless of his alignment, anyway.
In post 111, LucianRoy wrote:
I play mafia. Drixx plays mafia. He she it, plays mafia. I've played a bunch of games, but in many different styles, and certainly not in the same fashion.
Is this you being nice to me, or indirect buddying? Right now, I think it's genuine.
In post 1053, ChriVi wrote:If someone is busy to the point where they can't play, they should replace out.
ChiVi wrote:Two things, Vyse:
That's mine and my uncle's fave game.
and I hate your tone in every one of your posts so deal with it
How does that make me scummy exactly?
In post 1135, copper223 wrote:In fact given how scummy some opinion blocks are being I will try and give teams on D1, something I would normally consider a bit of a pipe dream but I think here there is some merit to it. I am liking a lot faction of:
- ActionDan / Drixx / x
and the other as
- Bulbasaur / Vyse / x
In post 1152, copper223 wrote:@Vyse
I am making statements because you seemed to be avoiding a nice chat, I will likely check back as it is night here and I don't sleep much.
Your initial scumread of me was a mess so it still being a mess is a bad sign, not sure why I should townread you for it?
You did not do a particularly good job of replying to my case on you, I've seen only Wgeurts come out and say you are town and that was not based on what you said but on disagreeing on my case in the first place, oh and PeregrineV who most likely saw a list and went that is likely town or something to call someone town for, not the most valuable opinion either way to be candid, everyone else still has you as null at best from what I gather and others besides me are still voting you so I don't think the way your are presenting it is very objective, speaking of egos.
In post 808, copper223 wrote:@Mollie
I guess you have a point there regarding the first part, the connection with Kuribo's behavior though is complete BS.
In post 247, copper223 wrote:@VP
I am waiting to see what the Bulbasaur commonwealth comes up with before commenting. How do go about finding scum usually?
Copper wrote:VysePresident: when a player repeatedely apologizes for not posting in the way you are doing it he is more likely scum than not and knows he should post something but really doesn't want to draw attention to himself, the more he waits and the harder it is to get back in, does that remind you of someone deathfisaro? Add that you made my Bulbasaur post prediction come through early with your: I don't like the Drixx wagon and Drixx is a cool dude (I agree!) after his wagon died down, the purpose of which is to make you sounds good and compound it with your confused and yet unexplained scumread of me and your initial reactions to the claims which were all about questioning the players questioning them, which makes me think you know more than the average joe about their alignment and like to question townies that are either genuinely mistaken or gunning your teammates, I think you are scum.
In post 1523, Oranje Crush wrote:Copper, then I suggest we don't shoot. Stall till tommorow (if he's vengeful we won't loose anything as he'll shoot anyway) and then with any information we get we can choose a better target. Mass-claiming day 2 may not be bad as well, as this is two separate setups they will not have checked for cross balance.
We could potentially break the setup, anyone disagree?
I'm getting cold feet with a vig shot, I don't want a last second frenzy.
In post 1568, BRantz wrote:
In post 1545, VysePresident wrote:-His first three posts are just jokes - I don't mind joking around, but there was stuff to be talking about at that point, and my take on BRantz is not that of an overly cautious player. I expect him to be engaging with the various wagons & such.
Stuff such as what, molla's miller claim? It was the second page of the actual day. Also how does me joking around follow to being overly cautious? Will get to your point about wagons with point 2 in more detail, but that is just crap reasoning and you know it.
BRantz wrote:This is not the Drixx I would rxpect, especially given his reaction in a recent game when another player did exactly this. Will wait to see if we get reads from him before deciding anything else there.
The last few pages have been... Interesting... to say the least.
In post 782, BRantz wrote:In post 729, VysePresident wrote:Posting that I'll be posting tonight to pressure myself into posting tonight instead of falling asleep again.
I am anxiously awaiting this post from you Vyse. Hopefully it will let me know whether you are scum calling me scum or town calling me scum and either way we should be able to move forward.
UNVOTE:
Trouser is probably town (at least I am inclined to put Kuribo's meltdown in that category).
Molla is probably town.
Vonflare is something...
Om might be town.
Don't know what to think of pika yet.
Oranje is probably town.
Boon is leaning town.
Fairly null on ActionDan.
Lucian seems to be trying hard to sit on the sidelines, might be scum (for an example of this see 568).
I was probably wrong about ice, he is probably town.
My read on Copper keeps waffling, but I tend to lean town on him because we have similar thought processes about things (may be bias).
Drixx's most recent posts are the drixx I expected when a case showed up, not the yell at everyone about how bad the case is and how they should feel bad, so null for now but looking more townish.
Death is probably town.
Everyone else is still null
@pika (mollie specifically): Are you posting almost all of the hydra posts so far?
@Dan: Why do you keep avoiding engaging in conversation with me? It is all well and good for you to sit there and throw accusations at me, but at some point you are going to have to talk to me about them.
VOTE: Vonflare
BRantz wrote:@Commonwealth:
In post 1388, Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:In post 1040, BRantz wrote:In general I am finding most of the interactions I am seeing people have as town so far,
So what interactions that you've seen do you like? What about the ones you dislike? (either before this post or after it)
By the end of it I really liked the way Marquis/ice's argument with me went. As ridiculous as the whole situation leading up to Kuribo exploding was the interaction led to town feelings, so it was good. I have gotten a lot out of Drixx being wagoned. I think it is important that ActionDan is unwilling to interact with me, and that Lucian is unwilling to take a stand on anything. Deathfisaro vs Om argument felt very town vs town to me. Are there interactions you are particularly interested in? There have been a lot of interesting ones this game so far.
) In post 1546, copper223 wrote:In post 1524, VysePresident wrote:I know BRantz. I can believe a bad call from him like what happened with the Neighbor deal, but the lack of actual content from him is terrible. He can be mislynch bait, sure, but he's pretty darn involved as a Townie. Believe me, I've tried to mislynch him before & I've seen both his Town & Scum games, and I don't think this is Town BRantz. More on this when I get home from work.
-Instead, he waits until Ice/Marquis claims to be able to Investigate Neighbors & ask for Neighbors to claims as such to jump on something. He then refers to that as "obviously scummy".This is something I could see him doing as Town.He derps a bit like that. I cannot see him waiting for such as Town, and then engaging there & only there.
In post 1547, copper223 wrote:In post 1545, VysePresident wrote:P-Edit - @Titus - I'd love to take that Townread, but this is the most pathetic Towngame I've had in ages. Elemental Mafia was better, and I let every frickin' scumread slip by until endgame.
Also this explains why you are scumreading me, the only guy who has been seriously questioning your alignment for a while now, that makes perfect sense...
In post 1825, Oranje Crush wrote:I'm seeimg brantz more now vyse, I'll take a deeper look when i have time myself to confirm my thoughts. Copper's town for scum hunting and meta reasons.
Bro's just saying "I think Brantz is scum" and stuff. He has to catch up quite a bit as his work is taking a lot of time. We basically disagree on everything besides copper and TPTG are town.
In post 1821, BRantz wrote:So Vyse your complaint about me is both that I wasn't involved enough in the early stuff on day one and that I didn't tunnel hard enough during that same period? Yeah... okay. Let me know when you have something worthwhile to talk about. Also if we are going to talk about town games vs scum games I don't remember your town one being nearly thus tunnelly.
Mod I am v/LA this weekend while at a family friend's wedding.
In post 1864, copper223 wrote:I am not joining a BRantz wagon while he is on V/LA and his play didn't ping me before so that's off the table for me.
In post 1941, Ozgin wrote:No nothing in BRantz's ISO looks particularly scummy to me, and in fact:
In post 1040, BRantz wrote:You are the first person to ask me questions about my reads.
There is a lack of scum reads because I feel like a little over half of the players aren't even playing the game yet. I had completely forgotten that Jackal was even in this game, you have people like Vyse and Rubeus who just keep promising content but never deliver. In general I am finding most of the interactions I am seeing people have as town so far, but I don't have nearly enough on a lot of the player base to read them one way or another.
I am adding Soren to my scum reads based solely on his posting over the past few pages.
So I have 3 scum reads at the moment (strongest-weakest) Vonflare-Soren-You (Lucian).
This rings pretty true, this was how I felt when I was pretty active in this game, then this week was a nightmare for me with activity so I just read up now and I feel like I'm in that half of the players who aren't really playing (and I feel bad for it). Even reading, it always seems like 5 or 6 players really show up and are volatile and active and such, but for those 5 or 6 who are over-the top active, there are 5 or 6 (such as myself) who completely fall out for 20 pages (minimum), and then everyone else is in the middle-most activity region.
Anyways, I don't like the wagon on BRantz. I still kinda like the wagon on vonflaire, especially when he said something like, "I'm going on VLA" and then someone else was like, "You should vote Jackal" and von was just like, "K, I'm a mindless sheep going on vacation so here have my vote woo." Sorry I don't have the quote, I just got lazy and didn't feel like tabbing over to von's ISO.
VOTE: vonflaire
In post 1942, Ozgin wrote:EBWOP
In post 1939, Cerberus v666 wrote:I'm willing to vote Brantz, mainly because I don't see anything that makes me think they're especially town, but I also don't see anything especially scum. I'll look back in context possibly, but either wayI'd rather not vote/lynch them while they're VLA.
I also agree with this, but I'm kinda lean town on BRantz as opposed to null either way.It seems that some people just wanna vote BRantz just to get the lynch over with, and yet nobody thinks BRantz is particularly scummy nor particularly town.
Copper wrote:I think you have a good point about looking for a narrative when scumhunting, if a player seems to strive to be consistent for the sake of being consistent I also would find it scum indicative, but I have just been accused of being inconsistent so if you're town you should look at the entirety of my posting and not just on my scumreads of you and Bulbasaur.
) In post 1344, copper223 wrote:@Vyse
I am not fond of you making a case on me by subtly implying I am doing some of the things you say you look for when scumhunting while at the same time kind of describing how you started this game as your typical town attitude, that seems a bit too convenient but I'll pretend to take this at face value for the sake of the conversation.
Copper wrote:The reason why I scumread Bulbasaur early is based on a previous game I had with Mastin2, where she played SK and tried to mimic her towngame (according to her), it came off the same way to me, their reads this game look stilted and only given when there is pressure on the slot, those are the kind of reads I might come up with as scum so that nobody could accuse me of not scumhunting (because both Drixx and Lucian did things this game that can be objectively thought of as scummy) if I didn't have much interest or time to dedicate to the game. They have done nothing to make me change my mind so I don't see why I would have changed my read on them, in fact I was just proven almost certainly correct on Lucian (I told both them and BBmolla I thought he looked scummy but was town) so if anything my scumread of them should be stronger now because there was no follow up on what I told them and I am also not fond of Ivysaur posting his suspicion on Lucian now that both someone else and I said scumreading Lucian in this situation is more likely to be a town dumbtell, that seems pretty manipulative, do you see a reason for me to have changed my mind on them?
Copper wrote:As for my case on you, I told you where the scumread comes from, I've seen scumpartners do this (like deathfisaro who confirmed it in this game) and I've come from a game where I just caught scum Nachomamma8 doing the exact same thing, I think if you're town and busy it's more likely you will say so once and then get annoyed with players questioning you or you just get replaced, the fact you have so often excused yourself for not posting looks like you apologizing to your scummates for not being as active as you should to help the team or as preemptively defending yourself from the rest of us for something that if true is outside your control so I see no big reason to keep asking forgiveness, the way you characterized it is also not very fair as you have used this excuse a number of times, I did not jump on you the first time you behaved as described.
Copper wrote:As for my D1 town game, what I usually try to do is to get a solid list of townies and potential scumplayers by giving early reads about what I like and what I dislike, usually it has to do with the motivation I most likely believe a player would have for saying what he is saying or it can also be how awkward/confident they appear to be or based on some tell that worked for me in a previous game so I'd use it again to see if it was coincidence or actually applicable, I then base most of my early reads on the reactions I am getting from them, this game I have the advantage of knowing quite a few players and of some them having reliable patterns when playing town so I already started with a better list than usual-
Copper wrote:
I further try to make everyone else commit to giving reads often and then I try to narrow down the list of suspects and push on them until something gives, this is where the bull in the china shop comes in. Later on the game I go back and revist the read evolution of every player and how they voted, I check for how opportunistic they have been, how likely it is they were reading players using information that was not available at the time, I check to see if the evolution of those reads make sense and I also do some VCA.
In post 1973, Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:In a little bit of good news, Venusaur's back and seems like she's ready to dig in. I expect that both she and Bulba will need the night to be fully caught up, but we can hopefully be a more functional three-man team D2 (or at the very least I won't be the only one posting).
Bulb's now got a fairly healthy townread on vyse and Lucian (though I think this is all pre-page 70, or 60 or so). Not sure yet what his thoughts on BRantz are, though.
At this point we can be sure that Lucian and Vyse aren't going to be people we'll vote (even though I want to vote Lucian), as is Drixx (even though Bulb wants to vote him).
In post 2019, copper223 wrote:If Cerberus actually is town, he should not be allowed to play outside Rome. Vyse is the closest thing to conf. scum to me, did any of you actually bother to read that "case"?
- "I "feel" your scumhunting is fake", no evidence given, this is a problem while reading the whole thing as the actual posts he quotes are distorted by his interpretation of how he says he feels about what my possible motive for doing something is, which often can be proven to be objectively false (but hey he still doesn't care, see the Drixx pearl).
- "I don't want to interact with you because I can't convince you to vote yourself", forgetting that actually figuring out my alignment should be part of the process
- "No matter (!) your read on Om and Drixx, I still have a problem with it you", well that's very indicative of your alignment rather than mine.
Are just some of the pearls in there.
VOTE: VysePresident
In post 2050, VysePresident wrote:In post 2019, copper223 wrote:If Cerberus actually is town, he should not be allowed to play outside Rome. Vyse is the closest thing to conf. scum to me, did any of you actually bother to read that "case"?
- "I "feel" your scumhunting is fake", no evidence given, this is a problem while reading the whole thing as the actual posts he quotes are distorted by his interpretation of how he says he feels about what my possible motive for doing something is, which often can be proven to be objectively false (but hey he still doesn't care, see the Drixx pearl).
- "I don't want to interact with you because I can't convince you to vote yourself", forgetting that actually figuring out my alignment should be part of the process
- "No matter (!) your read on Om and Drixx, I still have a problem with it you", well that's very indicative of your alignment rather than mine.
Are just some of the pearls in there.
VOTE: VysePresident
Doesnododyelse see the problems here? :/
That's twisting my words to a ridiculous extent. (#1 - I literally just ran over the whys & whats of what I thought was fake! #2 - I outright said I'm gauging your alignment more so than debating. #3 = Duh.)
In post 2223, Titus wrote:Fisaro, if it's serious, sub out. Your health is more important. No one would hold it against you.
