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Wow, almost ninety pages. That is a lot of catching up to do. I will try to read it all and then post anything I notice. Just to be clear, it is quite early in the morning and my insomnia is keeping me up. However, if I do not make it to the posting part this morning fear not, I went to work and will be back to post later. Sorry for any inconvenience that is. Finally if there are any lingering questions that Jamerius was supposed to answer please let me know~-
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Thank you both of you. I got nervous for a minute.In post 2207, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 2205, Suzune wrote:I thought you said I would not need universe knowledge to sub in to this game...well the 89 pages come first.
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Okay, I am at page 51. However at the current state of game I would place my vote on Narninian. I have never seen someone last so long into a game that has over 50+ pages and not have any reads. He constantly says over and over that he has no reads. How is that even possible, and why does he continually able to get away with it? At this point, and with the number of subs this game has had I understand that is is quite difficult, but I find it unbelievable. If the town does not come together then they do not win. He is not supporting the town and that draws my attention.
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Okay so not that I have finished reading the topic. I would like to comment on a few things that I noticed along the way.
Should RIP be lynched?
In my opinion, No. While the case on him was good and his low activity were well planned. I believe that his frustration was real and that leads me to believe the claim was real. People do not tend to get that emotional about a game unless they have something to lose. A scum would have merely tried to walk it off, there has been enough trains get run off course in a couple of posts in this game that the town mafia could have easily fixed the situation if need be.
Should CDB be lynched?
Honestly, he was my early town read. He was the first person that I put a little town start next to in my notes. It was not until after everyone started discussing their scumminess that I began to wonder. Reviewing his ISO, I do not follow the reason why you at voting for him and at this current moment would not put a lot of stock on a scum flip for that position.
I began to wonder---
All of the same people are always talking. Chances are that most of the townies are the in actives over the mafia. This I think is easily supported by the number of trains that run off track or suddenly get changed.
Town reads as they currently stand
ChannelDelibird, Sinsun, Peacebringer (who became Sala), RIP
People I would say are leaning scum,
Senator, Narininan, Riabi
Uncertain of Klingoncelt- I was actually sure he was town on day one, but as day three progresses I am becoming less certain of his towniness.-
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I would guess, based on the reading of the topic that it was based on many other things. It seems like the BP was kind of pain and was constantly posting and no one could get a word in edgewise. Therefore, I think the situation also contributed to the action. It was still a wrong choice, but I think there were other intentions.In post 2262, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2253, Sinsun1 wrote:we all pretty much know by now, wanting the BP alive is a heavy scum motive.
I was not there then, but I will happily agree that I would have actively opposed the idea of lynching the Princess claim on the belief it was a true claim.-
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Senator, While I believe it is just your playstyle, you behavior does not scream town to me. A good town needs to work together in order to solve its problems and analyze data. However, telling people they are wrong or their ideas are stupid does not breed camaraderie or the need for anyone to agree with you. It was the first note that I wrote on you during my note taking catch up phase. Here is a good explain of what I mean: post 1315
You seem to dwell on the fact that the town suffered a double night. While it was indeed unfortunate, you use it as a constant crutch when complaining. A good townie would have given it up and looked towards today. Certainly there must have been some information roles that could benifit the town. Not drawing attention to that means you are simply using the reminder of an unfortunate situation to damped the mood.
You also post many posts in succession that are sometimes unrelated ideas or personal gripes. This does not improve the moral of the team nor does it allow for much posting. It is actually a tactic I have seen many scum use in order to keep the pages flowing making it less likely for the townies to want to read a large number of posts to catch up meaning that important plot related things often get lost.
You rely overly on meta to clear you name. I have never played with you before, this would be our first meeting, however I would not read to see how you play in another game to read your character. If you cannot prove your alignment here in this game, then I see no reason we should back log you to figure it out. Evidence: post 1371
For all of the talking you do, you do not build many cases but instead tell people the flaws in their own. I am not certain that counts as scum hunting
Although that being said you did make some good points: notably here: post 1375. Addressing buddying is important, but only if we are going to address all the buddying that is happening. Also if someone agrees with you about something I do not consider that buddying because having a similar opinion does not mean I am following yours. Sorry, some of those yous were yous in general not directly attacking you.
P-Edi: Ah! Kling, I am so sorry. I even know that. I will try not to do it again. Again so sorry I put your gender wrong again.-
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Senator the number of your impressive posts that are griping about the flow of the game or the players playing it are astounding.
You've come foreward admitting Im playing to a descernable playstyle.
I apologise, but I do not understand this comment.
p-edit: I think you scum behavior is pretty typical of scum. If that is using wiform to get there then so be it. If the post is unclear of the direction I was heading, I apologise, but I see scum intent.-
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In post 2277, Senator wrote:And again we come back to the point that scum do a thing, so its scummy?
I appear to have failed grammatically, by number of impressive posts, I was directing to the large number of posts that you have in this game.
I can see no clear motive behind your actions other then to point of the failing of other sometimes. Scum to do need to actively scumhunt. They can simply input their opinion and guide the town in the right direction. You lack of obvious scumhunting and rather you uncanny ability to put holes in people's arguments seems to me, that you are rather discrediting ideas rather then place new ones on that table. post 1315, post 1321, post 1406,post 1407
Rather, I am not saying you did not contribute some important ideas to this game. Just that your play is scummy and that there is a clear difference between helping the town and remarking on town events.
p-edit: Why could all of those comments, not go in the same post. Or wait for the coming answer first? Sir, I just met you and I have just read the game. I was not there to experience it, just to read the aftermath. Therefore, yes an important part of the game is lost, but I am using what i have to explain to you why I think you are scum. It is not smoke an mirrors, nor is it a case against you. Merely my current observations of your playstyle put you in the leaning scum pile.-
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In your world, scum dont have to scumhunt
Do not put words in my mouth. I believe I said that scum do not need to scumhunt actively, not that they do not have to scumhunt at all. Which means that do not have to do it right off the bat and can instead use their already acquired knowledge to poke holes in arguments and sort of steer the vote. Hunting for power roles and hunting for scum are different.
There is nothing wrong with a theory being the starting point of a case. Recall, I mentioned it was not a case it was just my observation to this point and when I do choose to vote for you I will have a well established case.
While I do realise our playstyle seems to clash, that is not to make to say you are not making your own generalizations on it.
p-edit, yes I am caught up. My posts evidence is more from day three then day one though you are correct. A majority of day one was very different then the flow of day 3.-
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I happen to agree with your opinions on Narninian. All of his posts since June 10th have been lacking and I do not see the reason for this unvote as particularly meaningful. Sweeping in a the last moment to vote RIP was also not a particular townie move since he did not provide a reason and sheeping generally speaking is not a fantastic reason to do anything.-
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i thought you said you did. It use mets to defend you game position?In post 2365, Senator wrote:The answer is my scum games and conservative towngames. this isnt about a wagon on me, and it isnt about there only being 2 bloody days left.-
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I find people here are much more aggressive then anywhere else. Just keep up and take good notes you will be fine.In post 2366, The Fox wrote:I must say, mafiascum is on an entirely different level as far as the game goes.-
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so what? Are you claiming Dave has a fantastic memory or they you have not evolved as a player since then? Or perhaps both? I guess it is not a exclusive thing.In post 2371, Senator wrote:In post 2367, Suzune wrote:
i thought you said you did. It use mets to defend you game position?In post 2365, Senator wrote:The answer is my scum games and conservative towngames. this isnt about a wagon on me, and it isnt about there only being 2 bloody days left.
Support. Meta is always second string.
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I am merely suggesting that telling some to base their read on you on past gameplay is kid of a decietful tactic because assuming you have changed since then, you could merely be using an old tactic to hide you alignment.In post 2375, Senator wrote:Why are you interested in focusing on what could, when properly distorted, be taken as decietful?-
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while we are not often in agreement I agree I would not like to have a last minute lynch.In post 2379, Senator wrote:Can we get votes placed? Id like not to have to do the deadline shuffle.-
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junp back a couple of pages, while not the best summary there is the reason I am voting him.In post 2391, davesaz wrote:Can I get a summary on Narn?-
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At least share what you think makes him scum. there is a strong discussion going on about his perhaps scumminess, you cannot even make a case or an observation...this lack of decisiveness is strange.In post 2422, Narninian wrote:its not like I don't have precedent for a senator lynch (having voted him earlier) but not gonna lie, him being the biggest wagon beside me is certainly a factor.
That being said, I wouldn't be voting him if I didn't think he had a good chance of being scum based on behavior.-
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it is the risk that comes into play when you use character names. People can take from the names to solve he game. Short of saying they the names are useless only the abilities count flavour games that use names sometimes unravel into this.In post 2470, RIP wrote:Tbh I kinda hate this setup here. Claiming character names and no punishment is so bad that's not even fun or challenge me mentally to play.
I'm a conf town by no means of my own or my play.
We seriously need to change that. What's the point of playing detective when we just looking for who has a bad claim?
We just lost s game I got killed early after calling out scum. But instead scum had solid claims and completely own the town. No of them died I think. Sad really
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not count for what?In post 2474, Senator wrote:Can like Sala and RIP not count or something?-
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I believe looking at the situation the sala kill was the only one that the scum could have made given the situation from yesterday, so sadly I am not surprised. They could not risk killing someone on another train because that would be like confirming the other train was wise. So in order to keep in fighting high they limited the control of the town. I suppose from that perspective it was a smart move. It would then be wise to look at those not on the train though as I imagine it may lead to more evidence. Sorry the tired thoughts of my insomnia. I will check with he final decisions that led to that vote train later in the day.-
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In post 2565, Narninian wrote:In post 2561, Thor665 wrote:In post 2557, Narninian wrote:In post 2555, Thor665 wrote:In post 2551, Narninian wrote:CDB has nine lives and lived through a doc claim. (Yes he didnt claim doc, but would a doc claim doc?
I unvoted him for his claim, but I don't think thats enough for me now.
...what?
To both lines - I need more explanation of that.
Basically mirroring what you've said. There were a lot of counterwagons/defense of CDB yesterday and I think that was scum's doing. He also lived through the night after claiming a character that would be the clear/only logical choice to be the doctor. I know he claimed a vanilla townie, but I'm thinking that is increasingly unlikely with 2 heavy negative town roles and a townie role already outed.
So you're saying you bought his claim yesterday because you thought he was saying *wink*I'm not a Doc*wink* and that, therefore, scum not killing him equates to him being scum?
yup, you've summed up the logic of a factor I have.
Its obviously not rocksolid by itself.
Clearly he would have lived through the night regardless of whether or not he claimed correctly. Everyone likes to be against him that means that the mafia need no kill a good target that causes distress regardless of claim.-
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So what? I did not realise ridiculousness meant he was not to be taken seriously. You do not think a single one of his claims was real? Even being over paranoid stems from some small truth. If you are not going to look back at it I certainly will.In post 2545, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 2544, LittleGumball wrote:i lied i'm in the middle of reading a couple things instead of doing the smart thing and just going to bed already but I want to point out that i'm p sure that senator (aka confirmed town) thought that kling was scum so maybe that's a thing to do some research on (sorry if there's a claim or something obvious i missed)
k no more posting for me tonight
Me mostly, but he suspected everyone, and I do meaneveryoneelse as well. He didn't have a case on anybody.
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Okay, Thor, we can talk~
I have no vote on CDB bird simply because I do not think he is scum. Easy plain as day. Now sure looking through his ISO I can see why you would think that because he pushed so hard for the lynch of the beloved princess on day one. But compared to everyone here, he is the only ones with a reads list post 1798, two actually, post 2292, which honestly is a pretty townie thing. His claim was pushed and he was able to defend it well. Plus, I believe his frustration was genuine meaning that he was indeed town here post 2315.
I have noticed Thor that you have a habit of shooting down other peoples ideas or writing entire novels for why their plans are wrong. Not saying that is bad, just that you are not listening either.
I thin you reasoning following why CDB must be scum is poor. I have played more games then I have played on this site and honestly, I know as well as everyone else I am sure, that you leave pieces on the board that will cause problems regardless of whether or not they are powerful roles simply because they might get lynched. As long as random annoying person is still there then there is a better chance the townies do the job of the mafia. So I think you claim that he must be scum because he did not die holds no weight and is entirely impracticable.-
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How many other people were on both lynch wagons?That and having activity directly connected to the amount of push on him, and a dearth of scumhunting, and the Hider theory - yes.
Honestly, I didn't even realize he was a pusher for the BP - and I'm not actually willing to call that a scumtell, but him being on both lynch wagons that were both on town is a pretty valid reason to flip him also.
Day 1:Narninian,ChannelDelibird,Sinsun1, HostileIntent,Saint,Titus,KlingonCelt, Zabing12, PeaceBringer, davesaz, LicketyQuickety,Senator
Day 3 Riabi,KlingonCelt,Titus,Sinsun1, Salamence20, Nero Cain,ChannelDelibird,Narninian,Senator
I mean, if that is the deciding factor here when looking for scum, based on what you are saying of course, then look at all the scum I found. Isn't it odd though that both Senator and LQ voted for themselves, (sorry random thought)
Well find, I can accept that you do not think it is townie. However if everyone did something of a semblance when people flipped we would have something interesting to go back and look at. It would be able to guide us a little. Rather then have one person constantly try to sway the town to one vote. It allows the mafia to easily sheep which is what is weighing down the town.Honestly - no, I don't think it is. But even if you think stating reads is townie (which, in a loose sense - sure) what has he done with these statements? As far as I can tell - not much.
What?
He claimed VT - his claim was never attacked, so he didn't need to defend it at all.
I will also, restate, that I am more than willing to believe that his role is indeed Bashir.
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Unless i misread, and my knowledge of the theme is nonexistant. He claimed doctor not vanilla townie. I believe this is why Narn thought the claim was bogus because he was left alive. So what, what? Are you suggesting that being able to defend yourself and be reasonable are not townie. I thought he handled it correctly when pushed and it looked townie to me. I apologise that you do not seem to think so.
You think when he's scum he would not be frustrated if being lynched?
I am, regardless of my alignment.
Are you not?
I guess no, I am not. I enjoy the limelight of being mafia on stage. I feed off the attention and it allows me to hone my story better. As a townie I get frustrated because little information that I have cannot clear me and I when I have no way of obtaining new information it becomes a stress. It is harder to tell the truth in mafia then to tell a lie. The truth can only be told so many times in so many ways. While if you are lying it can be more interesting or more pointed.
Why?
As I said, which was clearly missed. The mafia has reason to leave alive those who are likely to cause the town to lynch them. Why remove townies that the town will just lynch themselves. That is why saying, because he wasn't killed at night despite his role, proves he is town. It a ridiculous argument. However, technically it was Narm's claim but you said you agreed to his thinking so I attributed it to you as well in my notes.-
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Thank you for arguing something I'm not claiming?
But, yes, I will agree that it seems a wise course of action to lynch our scummiest read from those bolded names.
Mine is CDB - who is yours?
Well technically you did claim it. You said, " but him being on both lynch wagons that were both on town is a pretty valid reason to flip him also." So I merely pointed out the number of people that were on both lynch wagons. Mine is Narn. I made that clear the other day. Likewise, I think it is worth to run analysis on the other trains that did not make it through. I find it suspect that they were smooth enough to kill one on the Senator's train because that would force us to fight internally rather then move forward.
I disagree, but no point in fighting it.Nah - you ignore their reads lists - you look at their votes and pushes. Reads lists are empty without actionp.
It is a good thing that no one is intimidated by your monster response then. However, considering you are a huge advocater for it and still remain alive bares many questions too does it not.And yet I *still* haven't managed to force through a wagon yet - weird.
Ah, the doctor mishap came from here: post 1862. Oops~
I believe you are simply restating to disagree now. I mentioned twice now that I thought he was quite townie looking and mentioned why I though. You would refute it and then ask me why again. I have nothing new to provide you at this point in time I believe that they are leaning townie. I understand that is not your perspective but it is mine.How did he "look townie" to you?
Haha, no. But you ask me if it does not apply to me, so I responded to that question. It did not come off as particularly anti-town to me. Perhaps it would be better for you to explain your stance about why you think he is mafia. Perhaps we would get more places.So your working theory is that he plays like you, and not like me.
Why?
I never said I agreed to that thinking.
Your notes need work on that, and also on what CDB claimed.
Maybe on more stuff too - your notes worry me now - I don't think they're very accurate.
For that you deserve my apology. You spoke in the conversation I interjected into. So I placed you on the same page. I apologise. My notes are my ideas and thoughts. Yours are clearly yours. While they are in contrast to one another, I do not believe that makes them wrong. You are not the mayor so you have not position to say all of my ideas are wrong, it is just your opinion of the situation because you are not confirmed townie yourself.-
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All I meant to suggest was that you implied it in the case. So I thought I should mention that since you made it look like you had not implied that was a part of your case.Technically I am also an avacado.
Remind me of the Narn case - he's still town in my book for offering a limited reads list that was only town. That's an unusual scum play for a newb, and he strikes me as very newb. Your counter?
So which scum play is unusual for a newb? That part of this comment I am curious about. Whether he is or is not a newb or not is something I am not taking into account. People hide behind how many games they have played here and I did not get the impression he was not knowledgeable about the game. Does being new at the game exempt you from being mafia? Underestimating those you think are weak will get you every time in my opinion. Regardless, my case on him is quite simple. When I joined the game, I noticed that he had at that point not posted anything concrete and would instead post interjecting comments and I thought it was strange that with the number of posts going on around CDB and Senator from back at the start of Day 3, he was always on the outside of the comments. Never commenting on the main topic that was going on. He constantly mentions that he has no or limited reads and for some reason that continues to fly. With very little information coming from him, no one else feels the need to comment on him. So he gets missed. Today, he was the only with the silly argument about why CDB was mafia.
We need to be careful, I love to wax mafia theory and to see other people do it but we are treading into only theory crafting here. I find it interesting which you need to dissect everyone's posts and to be very active in voicing an opinion. People who do that are usually portrayed as threatening. So I am merely suggesting that since you are still alive that is bears why. The mafia is clearly controlling this game, finding out what the points of strength for them are needs to be the goal. Otherwise, we will be crushed in coming days. So now, in my opinion, it is time to question the actions of the last two days so we do not fall into a routine that gets exploited.I don't think it does at all - do you?
You stated he looked townie around the claim.
None of your prior reasoning explained why he looked townie around the claim - if it did quote it and I'll admit the fault.
I thought it was a valid question since 'look townie' is as applicable as 'looked scummy' - you don't care how they looked, you care why people are saying they looked one way or the other. The emptier the answer the more suspect the belief. It's why I ask - I want to know if you've actually thought this through, or are just tossing empty words at me.
Sorry I am on my phone because my laptop needed to be fixed so quoting is hard for me. So I hope this works well
This was my in my second post of the game and I find my opinion holds true. I do not understand what you see and the only reason I can see that people would want to lynch it must be the beloved princess thing.from 2260
Should CDB be lynched?
Honestly, he was my early town read. He was the first person that I put a little town start next to in my notes. It was not until after everyone started discussing their scumminess that I began to wonder. Reviewing his ISO, I do not follow the reason why you at voting for him and at this current moment would not put a lot of stock on a scum flip for that position.
Words are empty, I have nothing concrete like actual evidence to back my claim. I just believe that posts like this, post 1396, post 1798, post 1960, post 1965. I was told once in a mafia game, here on this site, that mafia do not need to actively scum hunt. Rather mafia need to look for inconsistencies that can be exploited and make it look like it is someone else's idea. This was interesting to me at the time and I find it interesting and something I keep on the back burner. I believe that his posts show active thinking and moving. Also a honestly about bad moves and active rethinking showing that the thinking is not locked on something. Being locked, unless you are sure, on one idea limits you ability to see a person as something else.
You really dodged this question.
I apologise, I do not understand what the question is then. You asked if I thought he played like me and I said probably not. If there was a much larger question being asked you are going to have to ask again.
This is the case you meant?
I have never seen people so fixated over a hider before. I suppose this comes down to our difference in opinion of scumhunting. I am coming to realise that everyone has a different idea of what scum hunting is.activity directly connected to the amount of push on him, and a dearth of scumhunting, and the Hider theory - yes.
Honestly, I didn't even realize he was a pusher for the BP - and I'm not actually willing to call that a scumtell, but him being on both lynch wagons that were both on town is a pretty valid reason to flip him also.
I suppose you make a fair point. I have not facts. However, I fail to see how the amount of someones scum hunting and how often they play are good factual reasons. (Those were taken from your read that I quoted earlier).That's the purpose of this attack from me towards you. You are feeling very empty in factual reasons for your beliefs - agree/disagree?
I'm not saying they're all wrong - I'm saying some are assuredly wrong and that it leaves me concerned about the 'facts' you are using to base beliefs on. I will take that as a 'no' to sharing your notes/thoughts then?
This is an interesting question and I approach it with some uncertainty. Strangely enough it looks like a trap. Also, they are written down in my notebook since my laptop had to go into the computer store because he was getting my too hot so I would have to type them all out for you. I will continue to comment on actions of the game and you will see more colours from that. I believe this answer may disappoint you but so be it~-
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Well I was riding on the train and I had thought about the craziness of this round of the game. With Senator leading that he was not mafia, with the craziness of RIP's roleclaim, and the attempted lynch trains that went and did not go. I realised that a good choice for dying tonight would have to be Sala. He did not have as many posts and did not any theories about who may or may not be scum. Therefore, if you were looking to kill someone who would leave the town with relatively nothing new to go on, Sala would be a good choice. Unless investigative roles received new information the town would be able to the same place it was yesterday.In post 2605, displaced wrote:In post 2542, Suzune wrote:I believe looking at the situation the sala kill was the only one that the scum could have made given the situation from yesterday, so sadly I am not surprised. They could not risk killing someone on another train because that would be like confirming the other train was wise. So in order to keep in fighting high they limited the control of the town. I suppose from that perspective it was a smart move. It would then be wise to look at those not on the train though as I imagine it may lead to more evidence. Sorry the tired thoughts of my insomnia. I will check with he final decisions that led to that vote train later in the day.
Not sure how you reach this conclusion? Why couldn't scum shoot another on the wagon, why did it have to be Sal? Also the implication is one of the CW's is scum, so who is it and why?
"Also the implication is one of the CW's is scum, so who is it and why?" I am having trouble understanding this question. I implied it had to be someone on Senator's train because also choosing someone from a random train would suggest to the town that they were on the right track.-
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@ Thor. I do not know how you divide the posts up nice and neat like that, but I envy the ability.
A little touchy aren't you? I did not say you said that. It was a question I asked in response to your comment about his newness.No.
Not that I ever said it did.
No not directly, I do not think you are scum. In chess, you say why was that move advantageous to the the opponent when trying to figure out a move. I merely wonder if your constant need to lynch CDB is advantageous to the mafia. Just a thought I was having.So you...do think it's scummy of me to be alive?
I suppose I do not have a good answer for you here. The people I usually play with tend to sort of explode sometimes when they are involved heavily in a game and it is going towards a bad lynch. So it seemed like a natural reaction to me. Not very good case material. Theory is where an idea starts, I have nothing concrete to go on so I have the theory as the starting ground.The larger question is why you townread him off something based on a theory of how he would react
IndeedMakes sense?
If you reveal all of your hand, then everyone including the mafia sees how you see. It makes one more easily manipulable because I would be telling exactly what I thought was townie and scummy.why do you think me asking to see your notes on the game is a trap?-
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she did not come back to the game she was hosting. However, I agree we should probably replace her.In post 2671, Sinsun1 wrote:She said she'd be back on the 22nd and she is now out of V/LA mode, so to ignore her now is to let scum slip under the radar completely.-
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no, that is. Not how a boxer works. A hider cannot be targeted by anything directly it hits the person they are hiding behind. The only way to kill a hider is to kill the person they are hiding behind. Therefore even if the hider hid behind scum they would not die unless the scum died.In post 2701, Nero Cain wrote:In post 2657, LittleGumball wrote:Can scum straight-up shoot a Hider?
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Thinking about this hider thing, is it not possible that the hider just hid behind the millar. The town was not sure whether or not to lynch the millar on day one, perhaps the hider figured that there was no way the millar would get night killed since the high chance the town would just lynch them. The millar is a town role, while a negative town role, still a safe spot to hide. That is something else to consider. I cannot seem to find a reference the idea that the hider hid behind CDB.
Today is day four that means if RIP is telling the truth then we should be able to see whether or not he is the tracker. If there is someone that we reasonably believe is town we can check to see if they are telling the truth based on the results they get. It would still be a gamble, but it would give us the chance to see what is happening and perchance clear up this bizarre claim. Having information is something the town does not seem to have right now, losing our potential information role is a dangerous play in my opinion.-
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In a weird way, we have hit a dead end. Or simply we are rehashing the same material over and over, with everyone either being on one side or the other of issues. OR simply we need to talk about who would make not jsuta good lynch target but also look for the rest of the scum team as a whole, forward planning.In post 2733, Titus wrote:Ok, we went about 12 hours with no one posting there. What the ever loving fuck?-
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I mean if we are at the claiming we lied part right here. You might as well share your secrets.In post 2792, RIP wrote:I lied about something alright.
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well we are not playing the NY game. We are playing this one. Please keep the games separate and do not rely solely on meta.In post 2829, Nero Cain wrote:you'd lie for the same reason you'd lie in that NY game.-
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I believe, and RIP can correct me if I misunderstand, he is saying that you are scum because you are waiting until it is safe to say something. Scum do not have to actively hunt rather use situations to gain a small advantage. The fact that you reveal after the fact that you trusted someone or that you thought they were town. While it looks like a good and fair townie claim, doing it often with no one knowing it is your stance is actually pretty scummy because it looks like you were waiting for the time to announce you were town.
This one here:
Was a quote from you that he did not put in a quote box. However it is interesting that Sala was your one town read when Sala had barely posted anything and filled for another role. however, you mention Sala as town rather then the role they took the place of which would be more accurate since Sala and I entered it on the third to the last day of the phase.So a while ago I kind of skimmed the majority of the previous day, and Salamence was really the only person I trusted. I began to see Senator as a Lickety 2.0 of sorts where I just wanted him out of the game.-
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Actually I find that townies lie more then mafia. As mafia, telling the truth all the time means that you never step on your own feet. And a good lie needs to be at least 90% truth. However, townies lie to hide their real roles behind claiming vanilla, they lie about why the know information so as not to attract the mafia. In mafia, the mafia act as townie and the townies act as mafia. That is just the way the game goes.
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Okay then one at a time. Seriously this is the discussion we needed to have days ago.
RIP: post 2848 I cannot tell if you like what I said or not. Actually, english is not my first language either. So sometimes I get confused and need to ask for it in other words. However I thought the case made sense, so I have a hard time seeing why others did not.
To answer your other question. There is only the really obvious one where he claimed he was town and then said his opening post was like "Yeah, town" but otherwise, I cannot see any reason to think Sala was town. As for senator that is a little more tricky. It will take some time.
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In response to this, post 2849. I hate to say it, but why wouldn't you read it? I mean, the majority of this game is reading an analyzing. I read the entire game in order to join it effectively and let me tell you some parts were really boring and the first day was dreadful. But I do not understand, you joined the game on day one. You have day one posts, what do you mean you replaced in the start of day four? It is hard having this much data missing from you. Because all we can look at is what is there.
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I believe that he is arguing that as scum he would not tell us he is lying.
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That is what I mean. You are acting like you were not there in the heat of the moment on day one. You could offer things that you noticed from that day to harness your case. There have not been a lot of pages like those first few days so clearly there would have to be some gems of insight to offer. Rather then hide behind rejoining, I feel that you should build upon it. However, I apologise I cannot tell you how to play.In post 2856, LittleGumball wrote:In post 2855, Suzune wrote:Okay then one at a time. Seriously this is the discussion we needed to have days ago.
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In response to this, post 2849. I hate to say it, but why wouldn't you read it? I mean, the majority of this game is reading an analyzing. I read the entire game in order to join it effectively and let me tell you some parts were really boring and the first day was dreadful. But I do not understand, you joined the game on day one. You have day one posts, what do you mean you replaced in the start of day four? It is hard having this much data missing from you. Because all we can look at is what is there.
I began to read and then never finished. I think I got to maybe page 75 and then gave up and then forgot about it as I moved on with daily life as well as the rest of the game.
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Okay run me through this again.In post 2863, Nero Cain wrote:In post 2859, Suzune wrote:Would you like to share some insight with us on that quote Nero?
sure?
you said that he's not arguing that he wouldn't lie as scum. That post shows he IS arguing that he wouldn't lie as scum.
-The quote is why would scum lie.
- I told you that he was saying that "if he was scum he would not tell us he lied" Not that he wouldn't lie
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Well this has turned into a very interesting morning. I cannot remember the last time I was this fired up before I went to work. I can only give you another half hour of my time and then I have to run and I swear if someone hammers this before I get home, that person is first to be lynched. Because after several days of not doing anything something interesting is finally happening and I will not have it squashed by some mafia to step in before we sort some things out.
On one side we have RIP, who everyone was sure was lying. Which let's be honest that was a pretty poor gambit and it worked against him. Everyone changed their votes. Although, to be honest, I am not sure why. You act like townies never lie and only mafia do. Regardless, he has shed some interesting light onto Gumball that I think would be interesting to have others consider before the go full hammer on this.
On the the side we have Gumball, who is clearly flailing right now. He is going around in circles and trying to use leaving and returning to the game as a crutch. However, it is hardly an excuse considering he was playing the first day. So that is something to consider. Also, RIP makes a case that is interesting to consider.
Then we have Nero, who seems so full into his tunnel of RIP, that is has been going on for days. Seriously many game days. Which is honestly kind of strange. When you chase someone so hard for so long you begin to lose sight of everything.-
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Well actually I find him rather clear headed right now. Or at least his current accusation makes sense. If you consider that the game has to have at least five-ish mafia, then it is possible that the majority of people on the train are mafia since the town is not really doing so hot. So if there is a chance here to stop the same discussion and see another perspective, which this town is lacking because so many strong voices want to keep the same thing going, then I think it would be wise for us to take it.In post 2878, Nero Cain wrote:In post 2872, Suzune wrote:On the the side we have Gumball, who is clearly flailing right now
And RIP is not? Hasn't he accused like everyone on his wagon as scum at one point or another? lol
Clearly the mafia killed Sala because those leading this town are so fixated. They need not kill any important members because clearly everyone is going to fight the same things over and over.
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But do you believe it? You got the answer you wanted what verdict do you draw?In post 2915, LittleGumball wrote:In post 2914, Thor665 wrote:In post 2913, LittleGumball wrote:Thank you for FINALLY coming up with an explanation for your statement. Originally my vote was to pressure you into an explanation for said lie but at this point I really do want to lynch you.
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So you're saying you like his explanation but want to lynch him anyway?
What are you doing?
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Seriously guys. This game is not that hard. In fact, there is so muc tunneling that I have idea how any of you can even get to a vote. The town has been going around and around for days. Looking at the same people. Unfortunately I do think it's that hard. If you have to get to the point where you are choosing between lynching a vt or a town power role and you cannot decide. That should the red flag. Without going into a load of detail here is what see.
In the town pile we have sinsun, rip, Thor, CDB
In the scum pile is Nero, littlegunball, Kling, and Titus
Anyone else I am not sure about. But that seems clear to me. Go ahead and panic and say how scum I am for suggesting soemthing that goes against all of your tunnels. But it is time to think outside the box or we will lose. So I urge you to look at those people I suggested. If I need tonprove my role to get the ball rolling I will. However, I am getting a little tired of going round circle.-
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In post 2986, Nero Cain wrote:I need a good laugh, why do you think I am scum?
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Case against Nero
Let's start here: post 1037 This is what I have found to be so true about your behavior in the last few days. You ignore posts that are inconvenient to your tunnel and you stay away from all major issues. You did that in the past too. You said you did not mind killing LQ but you stayed out of the discussion for the most part. You even said that you do not think she is town but would agree to lynch her anyway. Who lynches those they view to be town. Seriously.
Even Senator thought you were scum: post 1554 but it was lost in the game state because so many people were willing to handwave everything that he said because he was suspicious of everyone. In this game there are only a handful of really active people. Senator interacted with everyone and was a townie so tend to agree that his suspicion is well placed.
In all of your back posting you have never once thought that CDB was scum and yet you are willing to vote for him now. You are amazing fickle in your voting. Townies should care who lives and who dies. Townies need to fight as a team and catch mistakes together. The fact that you are willing to flip flop opinions and jump between people proves that early game you were willing to side with whatever was popular regardless of whether or not you have a read on it. Which is actually lazy catching for all of us. One who flips often to the popular train is often the scum looking to blend in with the majority.
Its not wrong to be suspicious of a slot. It is wrong though to constantly tunnel a spot and from this point further post 1981, to not take part in much of the discussion unless it was why are we not lynching RIP. You actually unvoted RIP and then waited for votes in order to intent to hammer. Who does that?
In this post: post 2118 you say that CDB is town and you can feel it now and eight posts above you say that now RIP is more townie too. Yet you continue to remain only fixated on these players. Even though you just said they were more townie then before. You even defended him here: post 2189. Later you mention that he just town slipped and you say you want to lynch him just to make him go away post 2652. This this point you are beginning to look like a small child who was wrong as opposed to supporting the team.
This starts your sort of downward spiral. You become more fixated on RIP. You insult anyone who does not think the way you do and last night you could barely string together from what we were talking about what was happening in the posts. Nero, your game is all over but it is most certainly not a townie game. You say that people are not scummy, but then jump on their lynch train or offer to be on their lynch train. You confess that you think RIP is townie but that you want to lynch him for personal goals then tunnel him for days. Finally, you are not longer listening to anyone else and are insulting those who disagree. You told titus that if she was not going to help, after she voted for you, that she might as well switch out because she was annoying. This kind of play is not town, it is anti-town and for this reason I believe you are playing on the scum team. Thank you for waiting for this post.-
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