Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Aristophanes]

90 pages to read?
Awesome.

I'll get to this for sure tomorrowish and probably just read from the start of D2.
Anything integral I should know from the first bit?

[Aristophanes]

I'm working on getting caught up still and apologize for the delay.
It looks like we still have some time still anyway.

I haven't gotten what it is that Hiplop did leading to this scumread from most people.
I guess I'll do an iso there or something.

[Aristophanes]

Jaquen, stop the man thing please. Sonic scumreads you. I think you're town but that thing is so fucking annoying where I literally do not care if I am right or wrong.

Agreed, it hurts me head and leads me to neither fully understand nor care about your posts.

I am mostly done reading and will post tonight after work.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Sonic, what have I done that is voteworthy?
I assume this is based on my predecessor. Do you think it reasonable to vote me based on him?

[Aristophanes]

I think it's worth noting how little traction there was with regards to Flubber's lynch despite him being a near-universal scumread.

What does this mean to you?

[Aristophanes]

I have never seen a bus driver on mafia scum

On epicmafia, yes. Not on MS.net

So stop pushing possibilities that have a 0.01% chance of happening thanks

I've seen 2 I believe and this is my 7th game on MS...
(I was one in my first game)

[Aristophanes]

Done over a week's worth of being overworked and finally here to make a proper post. I apologize for the inactivity, since I subbed in I haven't worked less than 10 hours on any given day.

Anyway, let me read up a tad and I'll be here with stuff and such.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: aristophanes

Why?

I'm rereading today and so far see "The Mac wagon didn't take off even though there were 2 conftown on it." which, quite frankly, is shit logic.
Have you any other reason to vote me?

[Aristophanes]

I think it's worth noting how little traction there was with regards to Flubber's lynch despite him being a near-universal scumread.

What does this mean to you?

He's scum!

Right, but that's the same argument Sonic has against me. It really has no traction to it.

Are there other scummy things you've seem from him?

[Aristophanes]

Because besides what's quoted, the only mention of him that you have is your vote for him, which tells me nothing of your thoughts on him.

[Aristophanes]

Mastin, where are you getting this scumread on Wicked from?
He seems pretty towny to me.

[Aristophanes]

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP WHY HAS KARI NOT BEEN REPLACED OR EVEN PRODDED BY NOW

ANTI I THINK WE LOST HER MOST RECENT POST WARNING IN THE PILE OF WEEK-OLD DEAD BODIES

Who the heck is Kari??

[Aristophanes]

@Nacho: *blink*
Is that good?

But seriously, I'm here. I had made some posts, their response was nakes votes. How do I respond to naked votes?
I implore people who have done so to make some sort of case. It gives town more footing if a lynch does happen.

Jaquen continually pushing Sonic seems pointless. Can you please focus on someone else?

Kari finally said something, so I'm gonna Ido them. I didn't like the "Jaquen is antitown, now scum, so let's lynch them anyway" idea and they seem to be less active than I, which is extremely worrisome.

I'm gonna check out Cerb too.
He's seemed alright to me thus far, so I'm unsure about that wagon.

[Aristophanes]

Alrighty, I've looked at Kari and I see nothing helpful.

All it is is proddodges & v/las, one-off remarks that don't advance the game any, and empty townreads that have no backing.
There is no scumhunting or questioning of people or anything I'd expect to see from town.

I get that you're intimidated by larger games and I hope your mother is doing well, but that doesn't change the lack of contribution you are giving in this game.
You look like scum trying to fly under the radar.

VOTE: Kari

[Aristophanes]

Ah true. That would have been weird english though. Reasonable misunderstanding I suppose. So, now votes are going up on flubber and LC. Jaqen: You do realize if you don't let the town know who you're planning on investigating, we won't know who to lynch if you're right?

I was just gonna say this.
Did a quick Iso in case I missed it, but I can't see where you've said who you would investigate.

[Aristophanes]

You are pro-chain, yes? So Cerb?

[Aristophanes]

^ @Jaquen

[Aristophanes]

cant find it.

think they were nacho, sc, sb and tso

So, the two almost-conf-towns are half of your townreads list? Not that I disagree, it just seems a little minimal in effort.
Nacho I also agree with, but TSO I keep forgetting is here. What strikes him as town to you?

What are your thoughts on Jaquen and LC?
What about the Mastin vs Wicked thing?

There are so many things going on in this game that you haven't touched on.

That said, reads to come.

[Aristophanes]

Town conf-ish: SB & SC

Town lean: Nacho, Mastin, Jaquen, Wicked, Cerb

Null: Ika, Vezok, TSO

Scum lean: Kari, Flubber

The town leans are all strong posters and I haven't seen much to make me think otherwise. I don't get Mastin's insistence on Wicked-scum as he is one of my top town-reads.

The nulls I forget about both before and after each post, likely scum there somewhere. Would have to reread them to know.

Scum leans aren't necessarily strong, and Kari should rightly be with the nulls, but of the nulls, the lack of anything is very prominent and they have done nothing to rectify this. It reads as lazy lurker-scum to me. Flubber reads scummy to me. He's saying lots but not really trying to solve anything it seems. Doesn't rub me the right way at all.

Ninja'd by Kari
Oh...well I hope all is well personally with you. Sincerely I do.

[Aristophanes]

*sigh*
I really don't have time for this and I feel horrible for doing it, but

@Anti, may as well replace me out.

I apologize to all in the game for this. I did not expect I would be so busy.

I will continue to be here until a replacement is found.
Will read up tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

Kari wagon died because Kari replaced out.

There hasn't been a single unvote from Kari since she replaced out actually.

And I tried very hard to avoid doing so myself. I have stated a reason, not all of the reasons, for it but don't believe I should have to.

You say I should just play more loosely. You do realize my activity level thus far, yes?
It has been unfair to the players here and to Anti, and thus I am replacing out. If it were going to get easier for me to contribute in coming days/weeks, I'd have remained, but it won't.
That there are 3 replacement requests on the same page is really unfortunate, but I would never abuse such a thing. I'm sorry if it seems that way to you.

[Aristophanes]

One problem though. I wasn't gifted a weak cop invention.

Multiple inventors in this game, and no-one said you were gifted the cop.

VOTE: Constantine

A man will help you with having little need to act like you're reading anything.

Seriously? A pressure vote on a recent replacement on an almost conf-town at this point in the day??
You can do better than this Jaquen.

What can possibly be gained from this?

[Aristophanes]

Welp, that's a thing.

I should probably say stuff...

[Aristophanes]

No fucking way!

[Aristophanes]

Also, I could totally be an ass and argue this game shouldn't be over yet, and should end in a draw, but I won't.

Had a lot of fun here, even being inactive (my apologies).
And before you ask, scum thread can be released! Mastina's gonna take this loss hard

[Aristophanes]

Nvm, just read the scum thread

[Aristophanes]

it doesn't. if they kill me the town wincon is fulfilled and the scum one isn't. look at the pm's

Also, that. Well played, PV. Well played.

[Aristophanes]

So the cat is out of the bag, eh?

In that case, Woo-hoo!!!
Awesome game guys! Really, many of you played a very strong game.
TSO, you tried so hard in the end and it was amazing.
Mastina, your behind the scenes is something to be reveled at. I may want to enroll in this academy I only just realized was a thing. Good luck reading it all once quoted, everyone. There's a hell of a lot of content there!
Vezok, I was worried I'd doomed you in some way by associations, but you really pulled through! Awesome show!
I'd list more town who played a good game, if a little misguided at times, but I shan't. You all know who you are!

Jaquen, I'm not saying this to be mean, but you definitely have to do something differently in future games. I could barely follow you at times and even just skipped your posts for a while because they were confusing and inconsequential. Or that's how they felt at least. They never compelled me to follow you.

I know, I'm not one to talk. I hate that I was so inactive and had I not had the pressure from Vezok, wouldn't have announced my replacing in thread. I had already asked to if I wasn't lynched that day. Life got too busy and I flaked.
My honest, sincere apologies.

Anti, great game. I had a blast man!
Once I get back into Mafia playing shape I'll definitely look to join another of your games! Some of the best modding I've encountered!

So yeah, please try not to judge too harshly for suckling so much. I really didn't mean to!

[Aristophanes]

You have to understand that all arrogance in the thread is faked. We were patting ourselves on the back to increase morale.

We were??

[Aristophanes]

Me and mastin after we lost you and ika. Also I tried yo make you more motivated and I think I managed. You were doing ok at the end.

This is a good point.
At the end I was making a marked effort and it was mostly driven by a will to not let you two down. I was motivated to stay alive long enough to get somebody else in here, even if it would break my record of never having subbed out. My pride was put to the side in an attempt to aid the team. So, thanks Vezok. I guess I hadn't thought of it that way!

[Aristophanes]

Me and mastin after we lost you and ika. Also I tried yo make you more motivated and I think I managed. You were doing ok at the end.

This is a good point.
At the end I was making a marked effort and it was mostly driven by a will to not let you two down. I was motivated to stay alive long enough to get somebody else in here, even if it would break my record of never having subbed out. My pride was put to the side in an attempt to aid the team. So, thanks Vezok. I guess I hadn't thought of it that way!

Sorry if I was too hard on you. I get really competitive about these games.

Not to worry, man!
I needed that!

[Aristophanes]

#Respect

[Aristophanes]

Umm. Release it already?

when you run your own game, you can make your own policies about releasing the scum pt.

mine is: i release it if everyone who posted in it (the scumteam) is ok w/ releasing it. sometimes people say things in there that they would prefer to remain private. i let my players make those calls and i respect whatever they tell me.

no, i didn't give nacho access, he's trolling. this is really the last i want to hear about the subject. i already posted mastin's iso, that's what she wanted everyone to read.

Yeah I think this is standard policy

Blame the person who denied us Access, not anti

Or just don't blame anyone?
I mean, sure, it sucks you can't read it, but if someone doesn't want it released, then so be it.
Just accept it and move on!

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry Cerb, but I have to agree with Ika here.

If the PTS get auto-shared, it can stop proper conversation and handicap the scum team. If you have a tell on someone you're more likely to get the kill agreed to by teammates if you can go "this is a tell" than if you go "I have a tell on this person but I can't say what it is but you should totally believe me because I'm right."

People will share personal things, that's almost inevitable. You are making your own little scumbonds which can be huge for cohesion between you all.
In scum PTs where scum are less active or stifled for whatever reason, I find a loss is far more likely.

I understand the frustration, and this is my first time having access denied (though I was in it, so it doesn't really effect me). I can see how it can detract from your growth process, but it is uncommon and you'll get plenty of games more to read them in. You have the ISO for Mastina and that is the main bulk of the thread and of what can be learned from it (that and Vezok's part I'd say), which is great and is time stamped. Anti put a lot of work into that which he didn't have to do. So thanks Anti!

Ika has a reason, obviously, so it should be respected. He shouldn't be blamed or villainized for it.

[Aristophanes]

you were pretty much the worst replacement i've ever seen. i cannot believe you were fucking town. you should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh