Persona 4 Mafia [GAME OVER]

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:23 am

In post 4110, Sakura Hana wrote:t's too late for you, we can't afford to let SK live another day, you die today, whether you want to out the "information" and help us "not lose to mafia" is up to you, but at this point i dont trust any info provided by claimed scum.

You are awfully bias, I can see you have been burned before. Where I am from serial killers usually help the town when they are going to die anyway. So I see no reason to deceive you.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:25 am

In post 4116, Nicole Mimi Tithel wrote:Are there flavor reasons for a potential SK team here (4 mafia 2p SK team)?

We're kinda fucked regardless of what we do re: Suzune if this is the case, but I wanna be sure.

Not that I am aware of. I have a mafia result. I would assume a second serial killer would also be Ascetic therefore, I would not be able to have a read on them. Therefore, it is a five person mafia.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:26 am

you have nothing to lose by siding with me today. I'll help you get the last mafia. You may have my head tomorrow.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:28 am

In post 4120, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4119, Suzune wrote:you have nothing to lose by siding with me today. I'll help you get the last mafia. You may have my head tomorrow.

The game obviously.

I am going to help you catch the last mafia.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:29 am

In post 4121, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean, you could theoretically be wanting to give the win to mafia.

I hold what I value. you though are free to sow discord.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:42 am

I hate losing. However, I know I have lost. but, if I am going to lose, I want to be the last one so I can see it to the end. Just a preference, nothing more nothing less.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:47 am

In post 4127, Firebringer wrote:Problem is if Suzune lies to us, we mislynch today. Then Suzune and Mafia kills town. Well then last town is in Kingmaker situation

I already told you I have no intention of misleading your lynch today. I know who the final mafia is and I will hand them to you on a silver platter.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:05 am

So we wait on Aces

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:16 am

What else would I care about? I know that the final card I am holding is the final card. It is not enough to win with, but it is enough to tip the balance one way or another. Therefore, I am offering my life as the last kill, for the mafia that I am assured of today. It seems like an okay trade. I will not hand it to you until I have the word though, because it is all the leverage I have.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:41 am

I'm open for that option.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:54 am

There was no reason to. Keeping you alive served other purposes.

Suzune · Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:47 pm

Must not have given the right answer then. Do you feel threatened all of a sudden Sonic?

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:35 am

What about Aces plan? Anyone interested in that. The result will end up being same.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:49 am

I just want to make sure we are clear with what is going on. Usually killing skill roles go before mafia kills, however since both would happen at the same time. The town could wash up even with the mafia and the sk going against each other since that is the most likely result. Therefore, less townies would die overall. Merely pointing out what I see.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:23 pm

Your impatience to lynch first and think later is what will get you into trouble.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:00 pm

It is very amusing watching you fight. However, I have to agree Sakura. I think you are a very strong player, but the game became hard to control after you decided that you would rather not look logically. I can honestly tell you that was the torn in my side. Since he did not pull through for me the way I expected. I hoped for some last minute scum help, but alas, it was not to be.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:02 pm

The only sad part here, is that when you think you are ahead. You end up behind.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:11 pm

I'm the serial killer about the lynch the final scum. I have no aces in my sleeve.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:13 pm

This game became personal for everyone. That much is clear. Everyone wants to win. It has been a long hard game. So I think everyone being kind of frustrated is normal.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:14 pm

Let's face it. I'm frustrated. I thought I had this, but when Sakura suddenly changed tactics in the middle of the game, I watched it all fall through my fingers.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:17 pm

Sakura, where I am from that is what happens when the SK is caught. I apologise I did not realise it was so not common here. It is how I learned to play this role. Regretfully I have never won as Sk before. So it seemed like the best way to go out.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 4237, Metal Sonic wrote:It was aces I think he wanted to lynch you

How do you think you can win in a 3p?

Since we will never get to 3 p. What makes you think I can win. Even if I kill tonight, there is no way I can avoid the lynch tomorrow. Sorry for blowing your cover, but in a sad way, it is kind of worth it.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:21 pm

In post 4239, Sakura Hana wrote:Yeah but how do i know you're not bargaining with Nicole Mafia here?

Easy, Nicole is not mafia. I wanted her to be for a long time. Honestly, let's be truthful had not confused my win condition verbiage I would probably not have gotten myself into this situation. However, I read it wrong and I played it wrong. Mistakes compounded and I realised I was going to have to play smarter in order to win but I dug myself too deep when I killed Ank. I should have waited another night.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:22 pm

In post 4245, Metal Sonic wrote:How about this

We lynch suzune today and if the game hasn't ended please go ahead and blow and lynch me tomorrow

Haven't you heard yet. Only scum bargain. I would lynch you for that alone, if I did not know.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:26 pm

I was hoping that by revealing someone might show me the way. As childish as that sounds. I thought if the other mafia knew I was sk, they could work with me. Alas, it did not work out the way I intended.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:53 pm

I'm here, but I doubt you want to talk with me

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:00 pm

I did kill Varsoon last night. Or at least he was my target to begin with. I have thought for a while the final mafia was Metal Sonic, in fact when the Firebringer read came back town I knew that was who it was. However, no I did not have it confirmed until last night. I assumed there was no reason to protect Varsoon, so he was a safe target to hit.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:10 pm

Let's be fair here. I thought my win condition was to compromise 50% of the town and defeat all the mafia. Made sense flavour wise too. Little did I know the comprise and compromise are very different words. So eh, everyone does their best. I still had a blast~

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:11 pm

In post 4283, Sakura Hana wrote:Is there ANY reason to not lynch CLAIMED SCUM today? srsly.

Yes because the confirmed scum wants to wait one more day. That is the reason of course.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:25 pm

Because I will have a guilty conscience if I don't tell the truth.

- I really thought my win condition was to eliminate the mafia and compromise 50% off the town. This made sense flavour wise to me based on the bad ending and the new P4 golden Adachi ending. Sadly I learned I mis read it. So I had every intention of selling out the person I thought was the final mafia member because I believed it would give me a victory.

- Sadly, I know not if there is one more mafia or if it is only me. However, I felt like someone was talking directly to me and answering what I needed. If they are not mafia, then they inspired this duplicity simply by telling me what I needed to hear.

Suzune · Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 4299, KingdomAces wrote:Crap, it is Firebringer, isn't it.

My lips are sealed.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:13 pm

Yes I think we should discussion it.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:15 pm

Oh, can i choose. That sounds like a fun game. I had no idea you wanted to win that bad Fire? Hate to hand it to you.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:17 pm

I see, I see. I would rather the mafia not win. It was good of them to give me advice last round though, I found it very interesting.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:30 pm

That JOAT probably had a roleblock too, considering the town did not have one of those.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:34 pm

Well, I'm going to do this.

VOTE: Firebringer

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:38 pm

In post 4320, Nicole Mimi Tithel wrote:and if this is 15-5-1, fuck Skull for thinking this was even remotely balanced with that town power

To be fair the town did lose a lot of power roles early. So it may have been balanced before.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:42 pm

It is a good thing I am not the last scum then. I hold out that I can get you to lynch the last one and then make away with the prize. Or at least, in my mind I would like to think so.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:49 pm

Well actually there are several options here:

Assuming there is one mafia and one serial killer
1. we could lynch some random townie. Then have the serial killer and mafia duke it out in the evening for victory.
2. we could lynch the mafia. Then I would win at night.
3. we could lynch the serial killer and the mafia would win at night.
4. we could no lynch and come down to 1-1 tomorrow.

Assuming that there is only the serial killer
1. we could lynch town today and the serial killer would win in the evening
2. we could lynch serial killer today and the town would win
3. we could no lynch and the serial killer would be lynched tomorrow.

So technically there are many ways to go. It all depends on how many scum you think are left in this game. How much you are willing to gamble.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:54 pm

If there is no room for discussion on whether or not we should hammer then so be it. Personally I think we should lynch. But that's just me.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:55 pm

Indeed, I do. One should fight for what they have to gain. Do you disagree?

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:00 pm

Perhaps not, perhaps so. People can be persuaded.

I am not always sure what will cause a ripple in the water. But I will not give up trying.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:01 pm

Because of the odds. You should be happy we are skipping.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:03 pm

Because sometimes people get lucky.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:20 pm

The trick though to evading a problem is knowing the situation though. I already posted all the possibilities.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:29 pm

Well for what I think. The odds are almost even for everyone. No matter how you cut it, the mafia has the best chance here really.

Town only wins if they are somehow able to skip this phase and mafia or sk take the cross kill. Mafia would win, and I would still lose.

Mafia wins, if sk is lynched today. They also win if the town passes and the mafia cross kills.

Sk wins if town miss lynches today. Or gets lucky on the cross kill, because a mafia-sk finish ends in mafia favor.

Thus some people just seem to get lucky.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:31 pm

I would rather pass the kill and put it at 1-1-1. I think I have better odds there.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:33 pm

Then we wait and see what happens tonight.

My mafia buddy. We should push for 1-1-1. It is better odds for the two of us~

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:38 pm

What does 3p mean? The group was pretty good, the entire game. It was only near the end that everyone began to fall apart. So it was good for everyone.

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:41 pm

It is the typical build for a 20 person game. Or at least it is what I am most familiar with. Naturally there are other builds~

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:43 pm

In post 4369, Firebringer wrote:
In post 4368, KingdomAces wrote:Nichole. I know what I'm doing. I really think that not lynching Suzune tomorrow is the best idea. I'm not going to listen to any more discussion on the matter, so don't bother.

What?

He's the man with the plan~

Suzune · Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:45 pm

I did not even consider a survivor. That would make this the weirdest set up 1-1-2?

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:20 pm

Okay, well I cannot say I appreciate your kill there my mafia friend. I wanted him lynched because of placement. However, I think we are reaching the end here.

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:20 pm

VOTE: Kingdom Aces

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:22 pm

I think that time, gave us a great opportunity to talk though. Look at all the things we were able to learn about each other.

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:24 pm

I wanted to commend you though Aces. This is the post that told me what I needed to do and gave me a look at the board. So thank you I appreciate you.

In post 4137, KingdomAces wrote:In that case, then why don't we no lynch, have Sonic protect you and allow you to get the kill yourself?

I know it only saves one person in the event that Suzune tries to play us here, which still ends up being 2-1-1 tomorrow, that adds more things that can go wrong for scum, including another no lynch tomorrow that forces mafia to kill Suzune the day after that to have a chance at winning.

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:37 pm

Well, it is easier to say. Your post told me what I needed to do. More then any of the other posts.

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:20 pm

Nah, there are no scum

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:22 pm

Man though Aces, I wanted you to be the last scum so bad. Every post you wrote I felt like you were talking to me. You are quite the planned but you did not intend it. I knew that when I copped you and it came back town.

Let me share with you. A look into my mind last night phase.

Spoiler:

Fixed the spoiler tag.
~Skull

Suzune · Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:31 pm

Haha, I was having too much fun. I knew there was very little I could do today. However, I hoped one final trick would catch you off guard. Like i said. I really wanted you to be that last mafia.

Suzune · Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:56 am

Haha. I had a lot of fun with this game. I realized early that all of my mistakes would compound going into the end. The with my role reading error I only doubled my mistake. I should not have kill ank at the end. I thought I wasn't the clear because I assumed there had to be another mafia.

Honestly I should have fake claimed cop because for some reason it took me a really long tim sto figure out the deputy was my opposite and that him getting his powers relied on me dying. That seemed kind of mean for the town because to get a cop they would have had to prioritize killing the mafia. If I had killed less mafia it would have been even harder or perhaps town would had sided with the mafia. Hard to say, hard to say.

I have to say my favorite part was when everyone was apologizing before the metal sonic lynch.