Antihero vs FakeGod [Game Over]

[Shinobi]

This bit where I always miss rvs is getting old.
Reading now.

[Shinobi]

Now, if I gave you the legitimate answer, it would work against the entire point of why I want it.

I guess you'll just have to trust me, hm?

Pedit-

I would love too... But I can't. I mean, I could easily

tell

you how it would, but in the process of explaining how it would it would thereby remove any chance I actually have of finding said vigilante. All I can truly say is, you have to trust in notscience!

No.

[Shinobi]

Are you talking to me? If so, I'm not making any comments about you not committing a stance... In fact, your attempts at massclaim is in its own way a stance.

So I have no problem with you pushing for massclaim besides the general pushing for massclaim.

P.S. I shall return in 9 hours! Sleep is calling my name!

What?

[Shinobi]

Also, all you people posting random comments, we're already out of RVS, want to say something about the game?

There's a lovely CB wagon to join. (Although let's beware drunken Ikas wielding hammers.)

Okay. Sell me. What am I supposed to be seeing?

idk who u ppl r

Well you know who I am.
:>
But only sort of.

[Shinobi]

or whoever it is being scum postinering:

A) a town wagon for town cread on told you so
B) a scum waogn trying to distance

Not reading enough I guess?

Unless you can prove I was posturing somewhere

Why are you so worried about posturing?
Seems like a rather strange thing to be worried about.

[Shinobi]

Okay. Sell me. What am I supposed to be seeing?

This interaction:

The lord Random.org has foretold scum
VOTE: CB

Seriously, you're voting truly random?

VOTE: TriforceP

Easy, lynch all liars

VOTE: TriforceP

So CB, why are you more concerned about him calling you scum than about deliberately making his RVS vote unreadable?

I voted for two reasons
-Instead of placing a vote on someone he has played with before to get a reaction test to form a meta read he placed it on someone who he has never played with before.
-Of all the the random votes to be placed I know only his vote for certain was on town.

Voting for someone because their random vote is on town and because they put a vote on someone they have never played with before are absurd, made up reasons for an RVS vote. My original reason for voting Triforce wasn't bad for page 1, and there are any number of fine-for-RVS reasons to vote someone. Even "For voting me because he's calling me scum and I'm town" is not that out there for RVS. But I put a bit of pressure on him and he comes up with this ridiculous made-up reasons. Way more defensive than it makes any sense to be, and town has no reason to make up reasons for their OMGUS RVS vote.

Looks like newbscum.

So why is it fake and why is it that his vote is out of the realm of RVS but yours isn't?

[Shinobi]

Because I am being accused of posturing, and throwing accusations out, but unable to back them up is a red flag.

Also, it's a reason for a town read, and at the same time, no one really has a solid reason for him being scum, but still has been brought to L-like,2 or something. That doesn't bother you?

Somewhat.
The way you phrased it made it seem more simplified than was initially implied.
The addition of his reck townread seems a bit out of the ordinary as well - reck has done basically nothing to deserve a townread so I don't understand where that's coming from either.

[Shinobi]

although REALTALK I think people in general cut me some slack for being flippant, sassy, rude, etc. because I have a colored name and a 2003 joindate

Also because you're amusing.

Because I am being accused of posturing, and throwing accusations out, but unable to back them up is a red flag.

Also, it's a reason for a town read, and at the same time, no one really has a solid reason for him being scum, but still has been brought to L-like,2 or something. That doesn't bother you?

Somewhat.
The way you phrased it made it seem more simplified than was initially implied.
The addition of his reck townread seems a bit out of the ordinary as well - reck has done basically nothing to deserve a townread so I don't understand where that's coming from either.

Reck townread makes some sense

No it doesn't.

[Shinobi]

I reserve the right to damn this playerlist when cb flips town

Explain to me why you're

so sure

that CB is town?

[Shinobi]

I think that, if CB turns up scum, you're next. If CB turns up town though, you're off the hook

That's some amazingly surface-level relational scumhunting.

[Shinobi]

I think that, if CB turns up scum, you're next. If CB turns up town though, you're off the hook

That's some amazingly surface-level relational scumhunting.

Well if you see something, may as well go for it. Things can easily change - that's how I stand on page 9

Alright, then go into a bit more detail for me - what scum motivation are you looking into aside from "he defended this player so that makes him scum?"

[Shinobi]

The constant slips, followed by explaining that they're because, to reword it, "CB-town is love, CB-town is life". The exact terms were bread and water. That seems a little extreme IMO

What slips?

[Shinobi]

He's talking about the two times where I am chastising people for being town who can't see CB scum

But instead of saying scum, I used the word town

That sounds terrible lmao.

[Shinobi]

k ive read the past 5 pages since my drunk whatever last night

VOTE: Allah

Why?

[Shinobi]

Sure but that doesn't make them a good lynch.

[Shinobi]

it does for me d1

plus i remember being super annoyed by Titus in Team Mafia as well and she was scum there

so yeh

I shouldn't have laughed at this but I did.
I'm still not going to vote them for it but still.

[Shinobi]

Catching up.

[Shinobi]

Klick, do you actually have some sort of reason for voting Spiffeh?
I'm looking through your filter, and all I see is:

It may be worth noting that I'm restricted to mobile posting for the next week or so. My computer refuses to connect to the Internet.

PEdit:

Klick is also scum for only doing busy work and not engaging with the game (even though I do want to know the answer to that question.

I find this reasoning interesting.

[Shinobi]

It may be worth noting that I'm restricted to mobile posting for the next week or so. My computer refuses to connect to the Internet.

PEdit:

Klick is also scum for only doing busy work and not engaging with the game (even though I do want to know the answer to that question.

I find this reasoning interesting.

I'm not a fan of the fact that I'm apparently the perpetual second choice for a lynch on everyone's radars. It gives me the impression that there's no real reasoning to back up those opinions. Someone should prove me wrong!

Spiffeh, you should convince me you're town. I was thinking you were earlier, but now I'm not so sure.

How does this work?

[Shinobi]

So why is it fake and why is it that his vote is out of the realm of RVS but yours isn't?

It's his response to my question, not his vote.

That doesn't really cover why his post is fake though.

[Shinobi]

I'm jumping around between posts a lot but if there's something that someone wants me to comment on specifically, let me know.
VOTE: klick

Read two posts above. His 97 is amazingly underhanded and is exactly how mafia would phrase a scumread - state that something caught their eye without backing it up with any kind of analysis, which is also inconsistent with his later thoughts of thinking that Spiffeh is town for reasons that are pretty much unexplained.
It's a disjointed thought process that doesn't really make sense.

[Shinobi]

**91, not 97.

I also think more attention should be on Kagami.
His whole filter is a bunch of unexplained reads and her only vote is one that was made in RVS early on. Not a fan in the slightest.

[Shinobi]

eh I don't see any point in drawing it out any more

obviously that was fake. I'm pretty sure you're town now.

What are you basing this read on, exactly?

[Shinobi]

@Shinobi: I didn't scumread Spiffeh at 91. In fact, I had a townlean. That changed in the ~200 posts between the two you quoted.

If you'd like an explanation for why I thought Spiffeh was town earlier: his question about how the scum vig worked struck me as town genuinely not knowing, not scum asking about something they already knew. Analyzing it later, I changed my mind and decided it isn't telling.

You're mistaking a change in reads for a consistent scumread on Spiffeh.

No I'm not. I'm saying it's inconsistent and it doesn't make sense.

Oh, I missed the Shinobi question. Spiffeh failed to convince me he was town! Other than that, I am following Feysal's reasoning. It is better than any other vote I could make at the moment.

And I see what you're saying with CB now, Feysal. I agree.

How did he fail to convince you he was town? You already thought he was town, and then changed your mind without saying why until I pressed you on it.
Still inconsistent and weird.

Pedit: What does that

mean

?

[Shinobi]

rofl

[Shinobi]

I love playing with you ut.
Never change.

[Shinobi]

But anyways, I will say, if I were scum, I wouldn't have been like "OMG WHY DID YOU KILL ME ON MY FIRST SCUM ROUND"

Your plan would have failed either way...

shrug

you're the one who said to do something

I was just fucking around. so I'd say my course of action was a huge success.

calling it a plan is way overestimating the amount of fucks I give about what's going on right now

If you don't care, then why play?

I don't think you get to ask people this question when you don't vote and then talk about the game moving too slowly.

[Shinobi]

Okay, but there are actions though.
Because a ton of things have happened.

[Shinobi]

Rofl.

[Shinobi]

Okay, so I was wrong on Klick.
I need a new lynch target.

[Shinobi]

k im moved in lets do this

Is anything going to happen here?

[Shinobi]

Guys ika looks scum to me.

Shinobi what do you think?

Why, exactly?

[Shinobi]

Guys ika looks scum to me.

Shinobi what do you think?

Why, exactly?

First, look at ika's ISO and tell me with a straight face he has done any scum hunting/generally feels like town ika to you. Because he doesn't to me.
Second, I want to know why in post 330 you call Kagami out for no explanations for his reads when ika is arguably even more guilty of doing that.

Because ika.

[Shinobi]

What exactly are you expecting in terms of "feeling like town!ika?"

[Shinobi]

Katsuki seems like a strange choice to neighborize early on but I don't know what kind of conclusion you would draw from that, nor do I know who he would have neighborized instead aside from maybe myself or UT or something.

I'm still interested in the reasoning behind it though.

[Shinobi]

Spiffeh where did you go?

[Shinobi]

Catching up tonight.

[Shinobi]

Im home now! V/LA is done! Yay!

...And?

[Shinobi]

Can someone be nice and tldr the last 22 pages.

What i have so far.

Katsuki got neighbored by someone and then got nuked by some guy.
allah is not titus,

This catchup of yours is hilarious.

[Shinobi]

Okay, but that doesn't explain why him "being in the hot seat for so long and wanting to keep it" would be a reason for you to finally vote him. The reasoning seems very vague and nonsensical and the timing of the vote is a little off as well.

Thought about this while getting ready for work, and remembered daytalk. So considering that, yeah.

Vote: DiamondSentinel

Talk to me more about how daytalk factors into your read at this juncture?

[Shinobi]

These last few pages have been relatively atrocious content-wise but we can make do.
Ell and TP are both my current scumleans. I have no real preference between which of the two we lynch at this point in time so I'll try to see if I can make some distinction between them.

[Shinobi]

Kagami is also slowly working his way off my radar due to some of his earlier posting, though I DO expect some reasoning behind his readslist in #389, which I'm assuming is his current focus.
I'm also aware that I have an outstanding question for ika that hasn't been answered but I'm pretty much at the point where I shouldn't expect one.

[Shinobi]

#389, which I'm assuming is his current focus.

Focus is in multiple places, but the people in that post are all of interest. CB is of interest too, now; spiffeh moderately less so.

Okay.
Can you explain why they're interesting to you?

[Shinobi]

Because it's very likely that they're either scum or scum are interacting with them.

Why are they scum?

[Shinobi]

Those who know Katsuki well, do these reads seem like likely Katsuki reads? It'd be nice if a few people could chime in on this.

In our neighborhood, Katsuki expressed these opinions to me:

He didn't like Allah white knighting CB when he shouldn't know his alignment.
He seemed pretty confident on Konowa being scum but never really gave a reason.
He said UT had not dropped a specific town tell yet.
He thought Fink was town.
He thought Triforce looked awkward but didn't think it was necessarily alignment-indicative.
He said Reck was "otnw" but I have no idea what that means.

What exactly are you expecting/implying?

[Shinobi]

Kagami can you answer my earlier question?

[Shinobi]

I can't really assess scumreads/townreads that I don't have the reasoning behind, so I think we're at an impasse.

[Shinobi]

I also don't understand why you're so fixated on the fakeness/realness of Spiffeh's claim.
What exactly are you getting at?

[Shinobi]

(I just remembered that Fink was the one who asked.
Ignore meeeee.)

[Shinobi]

Would you prefer that he hide it or something?

[Shinobi]

Alright, whatever, this is obviously going nowhere.

[Shinobi]

Well, I DID ask about it earlier but I'm not entirely sure if the answer is at all relevant.
Does Katsuki have a history of falling victim to rolefishing or something?

[Shinobi]

I don't see how survivalism is relevant to this line of thinking. Elaborate?

[Shinobi]

I don't see how survivalism is relevant to this line of thinking. Elaborate?

As town, he's non-threatening to scum in general, but dangerous if he has a powerful role, since he knows that no one will NK him.

That makes him a good neighborize target, though I'd be surprised if the scumteam actually thought that way. Spiffeh still needs to explain his reasoning for targeting katsuki.

This still doesn't really answer my question, though?

[Shinobi]

I'll throw my vote down after my gym stint tomorrow.

[Shinobi]

smashed computer, got spare, catching up.

VOTE: Ellibereth
Too much failure to produce anything.

[Shinobi]

I felt like voting would be more impactful but whatever. I'm beat.

[Shinobi]

I want to lynch either Konowa or Elli.

I can be swayed on Konowa. Why?

[Shinobi]

[vote[ konowa [/vote]

Shinobi, give her a break if its a legit thing! Notty, you seem off this game. Why?

What makes you think it's so legit?
Even the times Ell was ITT nothing was getting done, so...?

[Shinobi]

I'm back to normal amounts of internet access!

Hiplop, what about Notty struck you as different?

Notty, was there any particular post from Konowa or Elli that stuck out to you?

Shinobi, we're 4 days from deadline, if your vote on Elli is for pressure, who is your most preferred lynch at the moment?

Ika, if you just want a god damn lynch, why aren't you voting anyone? Who do you want to lynch?

My vote on Elli is not for pressure.
If I absolutely

had

to pick an alternative lynch, I'd probably hop on the Konowa wagon.

[Shinobi]

because he wasn't*, obviously

anyway Konowa seems like an absolute shot in the dark for me, as does Elli. as far as I can tell those votes are based on nothing but "let's lynch a lurker" which is real dumb when there are people out here actually posting scummy shit

Remind me who the people posting scummy shit are?
iirc the only reason you had Allah on your scumlist was because he was annoying you.

[Shinobi]

Actually

replacing out

This is entirely my fault, but reasons for alting are entirely void now.

What? Why?

[Shinobi]

I don't get it.

[Shinobi]

Mehhhhhhhhhh. Okay.

[Shinobi]

Some other stuff I overlooked because of the fight happening:

Also, I feel like Konowa is a bad lynch. I don't have a town read, but he seems like a bad lynch to me.

Is there anything behind this?

@UT: I also didn't really think the hard defense of CB was particularly bad.

[Shinobi]

So sassy.

[Shinobi]

I always assume that replace-outs are not alignment indicative

It's not the replace-out that matters.

UT is pretty obvious town from that interaction

Why? I am feeling very much in the opposite camp.

Then what does matter in that fight and why does UT look worse?

[Shinobi]

okay thanks

but what's the case for a konowa lynch? talk me into it.

He's lurky and useless.

[Shinobi]

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion, actually?
Idgi.

[Shinobi]

I decided that I should sheep katsuki.

And I also decided that the vig would play a very low key game and not make waves.

And I think ank's slot is town.

This doesn't really cover anything in regards to konowa, though.
Pedit: Also that.

[Shinobi]

I cba to argue with someone over a slot that's not doing anything.
/shrug

[Shinobi]

But yet still not on par with your allah wagon!

What exactly are you implying?

[Shinobi]

This game needs a flip.

Probably.
I'll consolidate onto konowa if need be, ftr. I don't really have much of a preference between these two.

[Shinobi]

Shinobi I don't get why you're dwelling on the Shinobi wagon when your justification for voting Konowa is just as minimal and your reasons are similar.

I don't see why anyone would dwell on a Shinobi wagon.

[Shinobi]

Konowa* obvi

lol
The konowa case basically doesn't exist. I'd argue that it doesn't exist (and ank and UT are right to point out that it doesn't, because the points NS are bringing up aren't even really a thing) but I cba defending a player who isn't playing.

I'd imagine konowa is likely to be replaced soonish so maybe I'll get a second wind.

[Shinobi]

He'll replace in and get some townpoints just for looking competent, right?

There's 0 chance you can actually believe your case is

that

iron clad.
Pedit: Again, what tripod said.

[Shinobi]

I'll put Konowa to L-1 after work.
I'm aware ika is in this game so if Konowa is actually still playing somehow then he should claim before I do so.

[Shinobi]

That DS vote is terrible no matter how you look at it.

[Shinobi]

I can't believe how lucky we got with that lynch.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Ell
Little has changed in regards to this slot.
I can also support a TP wagon.

[Shinobi]

Why are we still trying to lynch active people?
Let's lynch people who aren't doing anything - it's worked out so far.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: UT
Yeah, I'm going with my gut again. It worked the first time, might as well.

No it didn't.

[Shinobi]

Why are we still trying to lynch active people?
Let's lynch people who aren't doing anything - it's worked out so far.

It's very very unlikely all of the scum are in the inactives. I think at most one other scum is in there.

Any particular reason why?

[Shinobi]

What do people think of reck refusing to flavorclaim?

Literally nothing.

[Shinobi]

I think Notty has weird ideas, but I'm pretty sure he's town. I'm happy to play along with him.

I think theres a chance shes scum?

Optimal play for the unlimited vig would probably be bussing wouldn't it?

notty was pretty damn good at getting that konowa was scum. i'm suspicious

I agree with the bolded - I think it's pretty likely on some level.
HOWEVER, what exactly led you to believe that NS was the one bussing?

[Shinobi]

Sure, I'm Katsuki.

[Shinobi]

There's a difference between not thinking much of and being paranoid of. Not thinking much of shows indifference, being paranoid shows about average suspicion.

It also depends on the circumstances surrounding it.

Let me put it this way- As town, if you thinking someone is scum and they are the only one pushing to get information out of you while others are saying its a terrible idea to give it out, would you listen to the one person you are scumreading and go along with it or go with the others?

I don't really see what the point of this is exactly?
I can

kind of

see the angle you're pushing but I don't understand how it makes hiplop suspicious. Can you elaborate on that point?

Pedit: TBD. I've misread hiplop in the past so I'm going to let this whole thing play out a bit.

[Shinobi]

I can agree with the suspicion of you being somewhat unwarranted - it seems poorly thought out and off the wall (and I think I already commented as such earlier on).
The disconnect was something that I didn't really think of, especially since I don't really care much either way for the flavor claim in and of itself.

Definitely something to make note of, I think.

[Shinobi]

Triforce instead of Ell?
Any particular reason why?

[Shinobi]

Shinobi you're sounding a lot more fake and crowd-pleasing/neutral than I know you to be as town. I know you're going to ask something like "how so?" but I don't really have an answer it's mostly gut.

I also don't think you look too great coming off a Konowa scum flip. Gonna look more into that too.

notscience thoughts?

PEdit: notscience what happened to your UT scumread?

I'm amazed it took you until day 2 to start getting paranoid.

[Shinobi]

Nope.

[Shinobi]

@Cb: what are your other scumreads, especially now that Kagami is dead?

[Shinobi]

I thought I was the one being sheeped.

[Shinobi]

because it was an absolute shot in the dark and you were super insistent about it when you had no reason to be

I wasn't super insistent about it... I never really said anything about it other than "Fuck it, I'll just end this"... What was bad about my position?

I don't think he was talking about you.
Why are you so worried?

[Shinobi]

Nevermind, ignore me - I misread lol.
But I

do

agree that DS had really weird position, especially concerning his earlier stances and ideas wrt konowa and voting as a whole.

[Shinobi]

No, Elli and hiplop are much more pressing issues.

+1
UT lynch, especially at this juncture, is not smart.

[Shinobi]

I don't think I've ever seen a worse wagon on the site.

this is after the lynch?
scummy as fuck.

Because?

[Shinobi]

That Ell catchup is lame - his analysis is surface level at best and the only read that could be construed as interesting or insightful wound up being completely unexplained.
I'm happy with my vote.

[Shinobi]

Ell being mafia vig is certainly plausible, yes.

[Shinobi]

Reck was probably the N1 protect.
Ika would make sense as the N2 protect.

[Shinobi]

He died doing what he loved, protecting scum

ahahahahah

[Shinobi]

I replaced in 24 hours ago and am still catching up. I haven't played with a lot of these guys before. Or you.

It's going to be tough to figure out.

hi, i'm clearly scum


nice to meet you all

Both of your slots are amazingly underwhelming. I'm expecting some decent catchups from both of you.

Reck was probably the N1 protect.
Ika would make sense as the N2 protect.

Do you think Notscience died because he targeted Ika? If yes, why not vote him?

I never indicated anything in regards to whether or not the protect was relevant information in regards to ika's alignment.
Why are you?

[Shinobi]

Ftr, I think there's a non negative chance that Feysal is mafia as well.
I do wonder why ank is voting him and if those reasons coincide with mine.

[Shinobi]

Shinobi: If it has to do with the post right before my vote, then you probably saw it too.

You are correct.

i though we already debated that notty wasted his check on my n2

This is no longer what we are discussing.

[Shinobi]

This is no longer what we are discussing.

then what are we dicussion?

how obvious fresyal and dimon is scum for being like this out of the game? cus i kind saw them being non existant for a while

That's part of the issue I had with Feysal (though I don't think it necessarily applies for DS).
We're discussing how Feysal brought you up as a suspect, not why.
(Though if ank is thinking something else, feel free to clarify.)

[Shinobi]

That's a bit more eloquent than what I was thinking, but yes - the idleness of that post was another thing that really bugged me.

Elaborate on "scum chainsaw" for me?

[Shinobi]

*Ika making an absolute ass of himself*

Oh shut up before you embarrass yourself any further.

How can you possibly be that clueless? I never said I thought you were scum, just an idiot, and every time you post I become more convinced of that. Do you even know how weak roles work? They die if they target scum. News flash,

Notscience is dead

, and if she died because she targeted you, that would make you confirmed scum. I do not believe that for a second. I want to know why Shinobi brought up a theory that heavily implicates you, I want to know why he thinks it would not be relevant, and I want to know why he he even mentioned it if he did not think it was relevant. If that is not plain enough, I suspect Shinobi of planting seeds for your lynch, and the way he dodged my question and tried to turn it against me does not impress me.

We're discussing how Feysal brought you up as a suspect, not why.

*I*

brought Ika up as suspect? I called him stupid, not scum.

*You*

brought up the idea that he was targeted by Notscience. You know what that implies, and I expect you to explain yourself.

I think this fight between Ankamius and Diamond is pointless. Konowa tried to discredit and lynch both of your slots, and that makes both of you probable town. As much as I hate Ika for being such an idiot, I think he is more likely town too. Shinobi is the one I have doubts about.

VOTE: Shinobi

Yeah I was just talking about NS's checks, which I thought were breadcrumbed pretty obviously. I guess the only one that would be in question would be whether he checked Reck or DS, and I'm still pretty sure it was Reck.
Still pretty sure he doctor'd ika tbh.

[Shinobi]

The only reason I even brought it up is because it could/might be important later.
Obviously we can't do anything with it right now.

NS being shot by mafia is totally plausible and there's no reason to assume that he wasn't.

[Shinobi]

Thanks.

Anyways, I might as well get what I wanted to do done.

VOTE: ika

And I still am pretty sure that the mafia killed him. If we want to lynch ika to be safe, we can, but I don't know what that'll prove.

Do you actually think ika is mafia or no?

[Shinobi]

Can you remind me which ones you're suspicious about?
iirc you don't trust ank or ika, but I can't remember your other suspects offhand.

[Shinobi]

Can you remind me which ones you're suspicious about?
iirc you don't trust ank or ika, but I can't remember your other suspects offhand.

UT is my biggest suspect, followed by ank, and then ika. I'm a bit wary of you, tbh, but I don't really think you're mafia at this current time.

UT has just always been scummy to me
Ank is suspect mostly just because allah was super scummy, and their reaction to my suspicions have been scummy in themselves, but besides that, not too much else.
Ika is classic scum, and that's why he/she's lower on my list.

Can you elaborate?
This all seems sort of generic.

[Shinobi]

Yeah I already explained that bit but apparently I'm too busy avoiding culpability.

[Shinobi]

Guys let's get a wagon on hiplop because he is scum.

Maybe we can lynch him too!

VOTE: hiplop

Shinobi ask me questions so I can get back into this game. You're good at that.

lol I'm kind of having the same problem atm.
I'll get back into it tomorrow night after work.

[Shinobi]

Yeah that case was obviously ass but I'm not going to pull people off of someone who doesn't care/isn't playing.
Don't know why you're so hung up on it.
/yawn

[Shinobi]

Ok some thoughts that I probably won't expand on too much rn:
DS town.
Shinobi town.
Ankamius town.
Fink is town but MIA.
ika actually seems really town today.
^^^ Not lynching these anytime soon.

Can someone point me to where we think NS crumbed protecting Reck on N1 (that is what we think right?)?

I can see Klingon, hiplop, and Feysal being the remaining scum (if there's four). UT and Clearly Scum are alternates.

I have already expressed a disdain for the CB slot in previous days, and I think Klingon's performance today hasn't been any better. She has contributed practically nothing so far. She seems to jump at any opportunity to appear like she's contributing when it's all fluff. Post 1169 and post 1251 are some examples of this. Klingon, what are some of your reads?
VOTE: Klingoncelt

hiplop is still scum though, I'm just a little less confident. His hop onto the Elli wagon after having NS as a scum read of his isn't something town would do. He has done no scum hunting (today at least) and looks to be doing the bare minimum to get by.

I agree with Ank's reasoning mostly about Feysal. He has been null for me up until now and while I don't think he's the best lynch for today I wouldn't be adamantly against it.

This is a pretty good post I think. I could get behind this.
I'm still hesitant to pull the trigger on pushing UT - I'm kind of inclined to trust that my earlier read of him was solid, otherwise I'm okay with most of this.

Pedit: Yeah that defense doesn't really do anything for me.

[Shinobi]

Can't say I'm super enthused with the idea of a DS wagon.

[Shinobi]

omg yay

rofl

[Shinobi]

There goes the reason I signed up for this game.

[Shinobi]

This game is devolving quickly... I hope all games on this website aren't like this. We've had 4 people replace out...

Yeah, larges can be like this some times.

[Shinobi]

Why are we voting UT, exactly?

[Shinobi]

He's not trying to solve the game at all. The way he's going about this is what I'd expect scum to do after killing notscience.

Meh.

He's putting everything down to luck, which is belittling every read that anyone has made. It's the exact opposite of helpful.

Luck?
I understand the second bit but what does luck have to do with anything?

[Shinobi]

Not for bussing his partner, for defending him. That disclaimer looks like he was preemptively excusing himself defending a partner. He never voted Konowa either, only talked about it.

This isn't even objectively correct.

Yeah, I think those look pretty bad after the Konowa flip. I do think that him asking to be "convinced" is a reasonable scumtell, especially combined with the buddying and generally trying-to-stay-out-of-the-way stuff

I'm on board with your read on him, sure

...What?
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.

[Shinobi]

Who cares if UT is right? He's still not scum hunting.

Neither are you hiplop.

I'm debating switching my vote back to hiplop WHO'S WITH ME!?!?!

I can do this.
This or KC.

I'll vote soonish.

[Shinobi]

@SHINOBI @ANK PLEASE POST SOMETHING WORTHWHILE

In a bit.

[Shinobi]

lol you say "I'm a neighborizer" like that somehow clears you

it doesn't

Do you actually have a read on him outside of whatever this is?

[Shinobi]

Furthermore:

VOTE: spiffeh

Reasons.

Spiffeh I'll comeback and be a badass on Tuesday. I'm just super busy this weekdn

What exactly happened, here?

[Shinobi]

Why Klingon town?

+1

[Shinobi]

I'm at hiplop/UT.

I have issues with hiplop's inconsistent reads and general apathy. I've already quoted some problematic posts and I'm certain others (probably you) have mentioned others.
I'm also warming up to the idea of UT - I don't like UT ignoring me and his read on me feels very unnatural. It's inconsistent with the goings-on of the thread and seems very reachy and token. Plus, his Spiffeh discred is really weird/scummy. Otherwise I can't really come up with much that he's done today.

If we back off of Klingon, the other alternative I'd propose would probably be CS but that's about it.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Shinobi

I don't care for the UT wagon. Feysal made a good case on Shinobi.

I am thinking Shinobi/Fink/ika.

I'm like 100% that you didn't read it.

[Shinobi]

Is blade dancer Titus?

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You know, it continues to bother me that instead of responding to my case directly you discredit it like this.

Probably because you don't actually have a case, but if you absolutely insist:
I said I'd put Konowa at L-1 and then someone did it for me - my vote was literally irrelevant aside from being the potential hammer, and ika was always going to hammer anyway.
I said the Konowa wagon was poorly reasoned (and it was) but the reality of it is that I'm wasting no energy pulling people off a player that isn't playing. I could argue up and down that the case was weak but I really didn't care and allowed him to be lynched.

Your bit on me being "worried" is bosh.

Who is Titus?

Why do you think I didn't read Feysal's case?

Is calling someone Titus an insult?

Someone I've played with before.
Feysal's case is pretty terrible and some of it isn't accurate, so anyone agreeing with it raises questions.

And no, calling someone Titus is not an insult.

[Shinobi]

I wish we had reck back.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: ut
Let's get this over with.

[Shinobi]

you could also not?

Theoretically.

[Shinobi]

Tbh I want to lynch hiplop again for promising content and not delivering but moving in any direction for this is a Herculean effort for some reason.

[Shinobi]

Good luck with that lmfao.
I'll bet you real money that it can't/won't happen.

[Shinobi]

I already talked about who I want to lynch.
Stop jumping off of wagons that are actually happening, maybe?

[Shinobi]

Catching up.

[Shinobi]

Why is Spiffeh getting wagoned?

[Shinobi]

The last few pages are mostly bickering.
Spiffeh getting wagoned makes no sense at all.

Otherwise very little has changed.

[Shinobi]

Like seriously I'm not even dealing with this other people can take the helm or whatever. I was wrong but UT admitted that he played horribly and my reasons were always clear when I was voting for him. Unlike yours hiplop.

I might actually want to sheep the dead player and vote for Shinobi because he has been an unhelpful lurk sack since like Day 2.

Yeah I'm doing that.

VOTE: Shinobi

hiplop might just be bad town.

Chill out - I'll be stepping up in a bit.

[Shinobi]

Also, welcome to PLyLo, it seems!

PLyLo??

iirc, your last scumread flipped town and I have no idea where you stand now.
What are your reads and what's your plan going into today?

[Shinobi]

VOTE: spiffeh

I want to do something productive!

Remind me why you're voting Spiffeh?
And what exactly are you aiming for in terms of "doing something productive?" Or was that supposed to be a joke of some kind?

I think this might be the game I actually go back and reread the thread for once.

I feel so dirty saying that.

...And?

[Shinobi]

VOTE: shinobi

sheep dead town

Really?

[Shinobi]

VOTE: clearly scum

I can back this.
I don't know what ika's doing but I'll concern myself with it when he's actually playing.

[Shinobi]

Ika is this all you're going to say?
What are your other reads atm?

[Shinobi]

Ika is this all you're going to say?
What are your other reads atm?

you and diamond are my lynch's today.

dimaon keeps misreping the n5 vig so if hes town im gonna mark him as a VI form now on

Why?
I get the whole "townie that wanted shin dead is now dead" angle but that's a cop-out and I'm not going to accept that as your only reason.

Ika is this all you're going to say?
What are your other reads atm?

you and diamond are my lynch's today.

dimaon keeps misreping the n5 vig so if hes town im gonna mark him as a VI form now on

Diamond has been a strong town voice the whole game. What makes you think they are scum?

All I have from you right now is that "Diamond is town."
Why? What are your other reads?

[Shinobi]

Hi I'm here.

Why are people acting like forgetting when the N5 vig goes off is a "misrep"?

If anything it's a towntell to me (though very very mild as it's really easy to fake). I wouldn't expect scum DS to think of that though which is why I think DS is town.

ika might be scum

discuss

Still waiting for him to answer my questions but beyond that I haven't the faintest idea.
I know people were calling him town earlier but he's fallen off quite a bit which never gives me good vibes.

[Shinobi]

So... Any thoughts about this revelation of having a Town Roleblocker? What other roles do you think we might be dealing with?

This is role-fishing and is not very productive. We should focus on players' scummy actions and associations rather than trying to figure out roles.

Answer my question pls.

[Shinobi]

It wasn't aimed at you.

[Shinobi]

Will catch up tomorrow - was busy playing MtG.

[Shinobi]

Why is CS scum Shinobi? Interesting that two of my scumreads get wagons and I'm not dead. Ank also has a color fetish. Was it for me?

'Cuz he isn't doing anything.

[Shinobi]

Also I'm not a fan of this DS wagon at all.
Can someone explain why that happened?

I'd ask hiplop but you know.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: ds

agree with ank.

Uhhh.
What?

[Shinobi]

I need to review my read on hiplop - I remember not liking him before but he mostly fell off the radar for me earlier for reasons that I don't particularly remember.
DS reaching L-1 is really suspect - not a fan of that wagon in the slightest.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Ok.

What the fuck was this?
Pedit: what?

[Shinobi]

Yeah but that's not anti town.
I'm okay not lynching you today but goddamn.

[Shinobi]

I am thinking Hiplop or clearly scum.

I can back either of these lynches.

[Shinobi]

Clearly Scum hasn't posted in 14 days, so he's getting replaced...

Clearly Scum hasn't posted in 14 days, so he's getting replaced...

Clearly Scum is being replaced.

Does him being replaced preclude him from being scum or something?

[Shinobi]

Clearly Scum hasn't posted in 14 days, so he's getting replaced...

Clearly Scum hasn't posted in 14 days, so he's getting replaced...

Clearly Scum is being replaced.

Does him being replaced preclude him from being scum or something?

No, it doesn't.
But if the spot is inactive, we are kind of left in a bad spot.

Shinobi, what do you think the chances of them being the Vig are?
Do you have any better candidates?
And what do you make of Spiff's "random lynch" proposition?

Does everyone maybe want to state the most likely Vig candidate so we can sort through this?

The game is dying and we need energy here in order to have a chance guys!

Hiplop, why do you think it is Spiff?
Isn't he a semi-confirmed Neighbourizer?

Random lynching is always going to be bad but I don't really think that's what he was getting at.

[Shinobi]

So.
Guys.
Someone think this through with me.

Why is it that two people immediately say "this guys obviously not here so let's not lynch him" as soon as I drop his name?

[Shinobi]

I don't get it.

[Shinobi]

I'm okay killing hiplop tbh.

[Shinobi]

Long day.
Will catch up tomorrow during work hopefully.

[Shinobi]

This is so much crap.

I couldn't be more Town.

I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Because?

[Shinobi]

For now,
VOTE: Klingon
I agree that if not CS, this is the way to go.
Will ISO the three and see where it takes me.

What exactly changed wrt hiplop for you to start voting with him here?

[Shinobi]

I'm here for like an hour.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: cs

Both spiffeh and Klingon seem to be trying to be scummy

I'm sure I already harped on how I don't like that slot but the fact of the matter is that people were defending CS via "he's not here so let's not lynch him" which doesn't really make any sense and doesn't make me feel better.
KC's response made sense at a glance but that's about it.

This is what I'd like to back but I'm going to get a second review of KC done in the morning (hopefully) and see where I'll end up.

[Shinobi]

Screw it, let's go.
VOTE: cs

[Shinobi]

Cool.
Who's Kondi?

[Shinobi]

Nevermind, read the dead pt.
Interesting stuff.

[Shinobi]

I was looking forward to seeing what flavour FG put in his PMs, only to see nothing.

At least I won in spirit.

Here's hoping I didn't make you look too bad.