Antihero vs FakeGod [Game Over]

[Spiffeh]

Fink is town.
CB is tryhard scum.
VOTE: CB

[Spiffeh]

@Allah why exactly are you so bothered by the wagon?

You;re overreacting and acting like early wagons are a bad thing.

Are double voters really outed by VCs on this site?

[Spiffeh]

Well if he's double voter he is probably town. There are like never any scum double voters on my home site at least. How do double voters usually flip here?

[Spiffeh]

ScumNotscience would have found it much easier to just posture about wagon speed and use that as a means to waver on my reads of the wagon constituents. Do you see that mentality here?

I don't like that you resort to self meta so early. Or at all.

[Spiffeh]

In this game in particular, a scum double voter may be reasonable - the scum seem to have a role that can kill everyone off after N5, so I'd think the usual argument against a scum double voter (LyLo becoming a scum win) wouldn't apply here.

Allah's town for reasons unrelated to the double vote though.

Is this what the "Mafia N5 unlimited Vig" means? Is that common knowledge?
Like is it just another way of saying "If there are still scum alive by N5 town loses"? Because I was confused about what that meant when I read the rules.
I have a gut scum read on Klick.
@DS can you explain your scum read on me?

[Spiffeh]

I am happy with the wagon because I am scumreading CB. DS what is your experience in forum mafia? Are you new or is that an alt?

Klick is also scum for only doing busy work and not engaging with the game (even though I do want to know the answer to that question).

PEdit:

@Mod is the Mafia N5 Unlimited Vig a factional ability?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I don't see how massclaim does anything but out town power roles.

[Spiffeh]

NS explain how you believe a massclaim would out the scum vig.

[Spiffeh]

That's fair.

You'll probably have a hard time convincing anyone though.

[Spiffeh]

^@NS

[Spiffeh]

BANNER COMBO BREAKER

[Spiffeh]

Who are the scum on your wagon?

[Spiffeh]

Vote: Allah y Bybbuk

Can we end this day now?

This seems to me you just read the thread, identified who made the most noise and who people were getting annoyed by, and voted.

I'd be willing to vote this too!
Or Klick!

[Spiffeh]

^ that is prob scum too

[Spiffeh]

"Here are all the things we shouldn't do but I will offer up no alternatives"

[Spiffeh]

What changed your mind?

[Spiffeh]

I don't hate the wagon I am currently on and want to see where it goes.
I think I've explained all my scum reads at this point. If you don't think I have then point out which one and I'll elaborate.

Do you have any other reads?

[Spiffeh]

Actually VOTE: Feysal

[Spiffeh]

Klick is probably town. I like the things she has said so far, including not being confident in many reads. I would not expect town to be at this stage.

Ok here you say you like that Klick is not being confident in many reads...

Spiffeh is scum, OMGUS be damned. I don't see much reason behind his reads, or any effort to refine them. His reads on CB and Klick have been unchanged since RVS, and his jump off CB after saying he wanted to see where the wagon goes showed

just how little confidence he had on that read.

And here you say me not being confident in one of my reads is part of why you think I'm scummy? Nice double standard.
Since I didn't explicitly state it, I read his ISO and can see a world where CB is noobtown which is why I got off the wagon. I wanted to vote for you because I think shutting things down without providing further discussion of your own is scummy.
I believe I have provided a reason for all of my reads, which is more that can be said for several others that you fail to mention. I have not "refined" my Klick read because she (he?) has done nothing to make me change my mind.
It's hard to see how this doesn't boil down to an OMGUS. Like you can apply the arguments you used on me to several other players and I don't see how you chose my specifically, which makes me think it was because I am voting for you!

I'd like to hear what else you "liked" from Klick because my read is the exact opposite. Also, what do you think of the reasons for Klick scumreading me before you said anything.

[Spiffeh]

Guys ika looks scum to me.

Shinobi what do you think?

[Spiffeh]

Also was Katsuki's neighbor so I'm gonna paraphrase everything he posted in there.

[Spiffeh]

I neighborized Katsuki pregame btw if that wasn't clear.

[Spiffeh]

In our neighborhood, Katsuki expressed these opinions to me:

He didn't like Allah white knighting CB when he shouldn't know his alignment.
He seemed pretty confident on Konowa being scum but never really gave a reason.
He said UT had not dropped a specific town tell yet.
He thought Fink was town.
He thought Triforce looked awkward but didn't think it was necessarily alignment-indicative.
He said Reck was "otnw" but I have no idea what that means.

[Spiffeh]

Guys ika looks scum to me.

Shinobi what do you think?

Why, exactly?

First, look at ika's ISO and tell me with a straight face he has done any scum hunting/generally feels like town ika to you. Because he doesn't to me.
Second, I want to know why in post 330 you call Kagami out for no explanations for his reads when ika is arguably even more guilty of doing that.

[Spiffeh]

I am pirate mollie (that's what you mean by flavor right?)

[Spiffeh]

Ok I will paraphrase it (I don't think I can just say it verbatim).

I assume you mean the action flavor, in which case that's some weird ass shit:
Asks what kind of music I'm in to. It would be better to dance together.

Is that even what you wanted? I feel stupid even paraphrasing it.

If that is what you wanted how does that help exactly?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Konowa

ISO is shit. Feysal actually seems town to me from his latest posts.

[Spiffeh]

He's already claimed to have neighborized. There is no negative side to claiming the flavor behind it.

So no.

I mis-read. I thought you were still talking about the massclaim that someone had discussed like 10 pages ago. My bad.

VOTE: allah

Starting to become a distraction, and more likely a scumym distracyion

How does that make him scum?

Allah looks town to me and there are better options.
I also agree. He's been on the hot seat for far too long, and it seems like he's trying to keep it. So I suppose that, for the first time this game, I'm going to vote.

VOTE: allah

[Spiffeh]

Why did we stop the CB wagon again?

[Spiffeh]

I targeted Katsuki because I was mesmerized by his avatar/banner and he seemed like someone I could learn from since the banner implied he was pretty good.

Kagami you were the other person I was considering actually.

Now let's lynch Konowa.

[Spiffeh]

Hi I'm here sorry.

Konowa still needs death.

More when I can get to a computer.

[Spiffeh]

Then why aren't you voting for one of us?

[Spiffeh]

Tbh I wouldn't mind lynching CB idk why his wagon ever stopped.

[Spiffeh]

I wouldn't be surprised with the way he hasn't been addressing his wagon (even when he was posting) if Konowa was the scum N5 vig.

[Spiffeh]

The allah wagon is stupid.

+1

[Spiffeh]

Allah slot is obv. town and what purpose does it serve the mafia to have a double vote when they already have a N5 unlimited vig?

[Spiffeh]

What is the argument that Konowa is town?

[Spiffeh]

Shinobi I don't get why you're dwelling on the Shinobi wagon when your justification for voting Konowa is just as minimal and your reasons are similar.

[Spiffeh]

Konowa* obvi

[Spiffeh]

When are any accusations based on fact Day 1?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah that Konowa wagon was shitty!!!!!

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: CB

This is still scum imo

[Spiffeh]

UT who do you think is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Flavor could imply role and give mafia more information than they should have.

Also is CB being scum not a thing anymore?

[Spiffeh]

I don't mind scummer name but I know the flavor to my action kinda implied I was a neighbor so idk how it is for others.

[Spiffeh]

sigh

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

What were the points of these votes when someone was already at L-1 with only a day left until deadline?

[Spiffeh]

OMGUS is not a good reason.

[Spiffeh]

Does the Konowa lynch change anything about your DS read?

Also how was DS scummy to begin with?

[Spiffeh]

DS if you felt so strongly about that why did it take you until someone asked you about it to bring it up?

[Spiffeh]

Do you really think scummer name is something people need to fabricate in the first place?

[Spiffeh]

I mean most of them haven't posted since the Day started.

[Spiffeh]

It probably depends on what scum think the extent of the power/info/whatever you have or if you have anything at all.

I can say that I'm not really town reading anyone on that list (other than Ank who has now obliged).

[Spiffeh]

Shinobi you're sounding a lot more fake and crowd-pleasing/neutral than I know you to be as town. I know you're going to ask something like "how so?" but I don't really have an answer it's mostly gut.

I also don't think you look too great coming off a Konowa scum flip. Gonna look more into that too.

notscience thoughts?

PEdit: notscience what happened to your UT scumread?

[Spiffeh]

Where do you think scum's votes lie from yesterday?

Gonna look for these now.

[Spiffeh]

You don't think I have a decent reason for being slightly paranoid?

[Spiffeh]

Ok I already feel better.

[Spiffeh]

Hey Ankamius are you Amianki on Smogon?

[Spiffeh]

UT vote CB with me (yay poetry!)

[Spiffeh]

ns, Shinobi what do you guys think of CB?

[Spiffeh]

I'm not necessarily against an Elli lynch because if this behavior continues it'll be impossible to sort him but I think everyone should be warned that he acts like this in every game.

[Spiffeh]

Tbh I'm really starting to suspect the people that said they wanted a flip before they got into the game and then we get a scum flip and they still aren't doing shit.

Reck and ika are who I remember saying that off the top of my head.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: hiplop

All votes on Elli are pretty bad but his in particular rubs me the wrong way. I think he would be the superior lynch.

I reeeeeally think Elli acts like this all the time so his lurking/incompetence is less alignment indicative.

[Spiffeh]

I'm also scum reading ika btw

[Spiffeh]

Ok fine I'm just saying

[Spiffeh]

Hey guys gonna catch up tomorrow.

hiplop is still scum btw

[Spiffeh]

Guys let's get a wagon on hiplop because he is scum.

Maybe we can lynch him too!

VOTE: hiplop

Shinobi ask me questions so I can get back into this game. You're good at that.

[Spiffeh]

Ok some thoughts that I probably won't expand on too much rn:
DS town.
Shinobi town.
Ankamius town.
Fink is town but MIA.
ika actually seems really town today.
^^^ Not lynching these anytime soon.

Can someone point me to where we think NS crumbed protecting Reck on N1 (that is what we think right?)?

I can see Klingon, hiplop, and Feysal being the remaining scum (if there's four). UT and Clearly Scum are alternates.

I have already expressed a disdain for the CB slot in previous days, and I think Klingon's performance today hasn't been any better. She has contributed practically nothing so far. She seems to jump at any opportunity to appear like she's contributing when it's all fluff. Post 1169 and post 1251 are some examples of this. Klingon, what are some of your reads?
VOTE: Klingoncelt

hiplop is still scum though, I'm just a little less confident. His hop onto the Elli wagon after having NS as a scum read of his isn't something town would do. He has done no scum hunting (today at least) and looks to be doing the bare minimum to get by.

I agree with Ank's reasoning mostly about Feysal. He has been null for me up until now and while I don't think he's the best lynch for today I wouldn't be adamantly against it.

[Spiffeh]

Klingon you don't have any reads yet?

[Spiffeh]

I think you're just new.

Power roles do not out themselves unless they are at L-1 (or L-2 with ika) or if it's an info role with a guilty.

Or a mass claim which probably isn't the best idea.

PEdit: DS vote for Klingon w/ me

[Spiffeh]

Lol when did I become your largest scum read?

[Spiffeh]

Why don't you refute my argument instead of call me scum because I'm scum reading you?

I mean your defense was all excuses about just subbing in, which I am respectful of but doesn't really answer my qualms about you.

[Spiffeh]

Guys just sheep me and all will be right in the world.

[Spiffeh]

Klingon what didn't you like about my reads (other than reading you as scum)?

[Spiffeh]

I don't get it. The only drastic differences between my reads lists and yours are UT and DS. The fact that this makes me scum in your PoV is really ridiculous.

It's all boiling down to an OMGUS because you haven't listed a logical or valid reason for scum reading me.

[Spiffeh]

I don't care where your vote is. It's your illogical read (on me at least) that are the issue.

Have you looked back at Konowa's associations yet?

[Spiffeh]

^ @Klingon

[Spiffeh]

Ank what do you think of Klingon?

[Spiffeh]

Who cares if UT is right? He's still not scum hunting.

Neither are you hiplop.

I'm debating switching my vote back to hiplop WHO'S WITH ME!?!?!

[Spiffeh]

Welcome Blade Dancer.

Vote hiplop to win (if you're town)!

[Spiffeh]

I'm new. I have played mafia elsewhere for a long time though.

[Spiffeh]

I have a completed game with Wake

[Spiffeh]

I'm pretty sure you were scum that game?

[Spiffeh]

Blade Dancer how do you feel about hiplop and Klingon?

[Spiffeh]

Klingon you should not think I'm scum if you've read this game.

@hiplop can you give us some reads? I keep going back and forth on you gdi

There's so little to go off of I am doubting myself.

If Klingon keeps up with her shenanigans she is probably scum.

I could also go for a UT lynch tbh

[Spiffeh]

Purely because he fought hard against the Konowa lynch. I know he explained his reasons but I am at a loss atm

[Spiffeh]

Oh my God I want to lynch hiplop so bad

[Spiffeh]

hiplop there's nothing for you to announce V/LA you're not even playing the game

[Spiffeh]

If we look at Fink's early ISO. It's hyper aggressive. As if he's looking for a fight rather than looking for scum. Three votes on three different people and a throw away post about being out of RVS.

His ISO is empty of content and his scumreads have remained static, other than the appearance of a Konowa read out of nowhere. He has no interaction with Konowa that I can find.

The defense of ika also eels out of place.

He's all about promoting D1 activity, yet he lurks to the point of replacement himself.

Nothing in the first paragraph is even scummy.
Konowa barely posted so you can't really fault someone for having no interactions with him.
Why does it feel out of place?
Replacing out is a null tell.

Why did you need me to respond to this? And why the hell are you willing to vote for me because I didn't when almost everyone else ignored it too? Give me a break.

[Spiffeh]

UT are you saying that "you fought the Konowa lynch" is a misrep?

Maybe fight wasn't the greatest word but at the very least you opposed it. Like you would question his vote the way I would expect a scum buddy to do it. I would expect a teammate of his to do it subtly.

I also find it a little off putting that whenever someone mentions your role in the Konowa lynch you get pretty defensive and say something along the lines of "tell me where I defended Konowa?" as if you framed the defense in a way you could discredit anyone suspecting you for it later.

hiplop if you are actually town I am really disappointed in your play. My only pause in voting for you is that I read a recently completed scum game of yours and you at least pretended to be involved there.

I am willing to vote for Klingon, UT, and maybe hiplop for today. Ankamius, DS, Shinobi, Feysal please give your thoughts on these players.

[Spiffeh]

Ok who do you want to vote for today UT?

[Spiffeh]

I like how hiplop suddenly is gung ho about me being scum only now that at least three others have expressed at least some willingness to lynch me. No surprise that I've been the most vocal about him needing to be lynched either! I had brief pause based on meta but I cannot see how you can be village with your behavior today and yesterday.

VOTE: hiplop

Here is my previous case against him for reference:

hiplop is still scum though, I'm just a little less confident. His hop onto the Elli wagon after having NS as a scum read of his isn't something town would do. He has done no scum hunting (today at least) and looks to be doing the bare minimum to get by.

I'm just going to nip this in the bud now because I can see where this is going with all the posturing going on.

In case you all don't remember/haven't read the game, I neighborized Katsuki at the beginning of the game and when he was killed I immediately outed all of his reads as well as my flavor. I am pirate mollie and several people, from what I recall, confirmed the flavor matched pirate mollie's style in general as well as the neighborizer role.

@SHINOBI @ANK PLEASE POST SOMETHING WORTHWHILE

I would still like to hear UT's stance on the game. He has done nothing except clear his own name today. He is not trying to find scum. I would also be willing to lynch UT today.

Inb4 the scum team force my lynch due to the apathy of the town.

[Spiffeh]

1.) You just confirmed that you haven't been reading the game like you said you have been by misinterpreting that I was talking about being an alt. If you were reading the game you would have known what I was talking about even if you just skimmed my previous post.
2.) You just confirmed that you're scum by hopping on my wagon without even trying to give a reason.

VOTE: Klingon

This is better.

[Spiffeh]

I think Klingon, hiplop, and UT are the remaining scum.

Maaaaybe Clearly Scum. Shinobi is null.

The rest are town reads.

This will probably be the last thing I say until people get their acts together and actually play.

[Spiffeh]

JK I'm not done posting.

@Klingon yeah you're right the extensive explanation and progression of my reads has nothing to do with where my votes fall.

You and hiplop are OMGUSing because neither of you have given an explanation for voting for me. It just so happens I have been the one antagonizing you both this day. Funny how things work out like that!

@DS updated reads on Klingon, hiplop, and UT please.

[Spiffeh]

I would still like to hear UT's stance on the game. He has done nothing except clear his own name today. He is not trying to find scum. I would also be willing to lynch UT today.

Once again you aren't scum hunting.

You might as well vote for me we all know that's where your vote is going anyway to save your scumbuddies!

[Spiffeh]

Why Klingon town?

[Spiffeh]

W/e I could compromise with a UT lynch. Shinobi where is your head at?

[Spiffeh]

Ok

VOTE: UT

[Spiffeh]

Maybe/wrong/wrong

Why do you think UT is town?

[Spiffeh]

UT has not contributed anything of substance despite me asking him multiple times.

He should be lynched.

[Spiffeh]

While I think hiplop is also scum it's more of a possibility that he is just playing atrociously.

[Spiffeh]

"Wow didn't see that one coming"

You have all still given zero reasons for me being scum.

[Spiffeh]

In case it wasn't clear that was an invitation for both of you to explain why you think I'm scum.

[Spiffeh]

"oh yeah, oh yeah? show me why I'm scum?!?!" is not often something I hear from town

I'M POINTING OUT TO EVERYONE THAT YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL REASON AND ARE HOPPING ON THE LARGEST BANDWAGON LOL

[Spiffeh]

It wasn't a misrep and I explained my thought process in post 1403, Spiffeh"] and you never responded.

Stop crying "misrep" when you're not even willing to have a dialogue with me about it.

[Spiffeh]

I am bad at tags

[Spiffeh]

Any town players on my wagon are horrible at this game.

[Spiffeh]

The OMGUS from hiplop and UT is so obvious.

[Spiffeh]

If I'm mislynched I'm not even counting this as the first game I'm mislynched in.

It does not deserve that honor with how apathetic the town is.

[Spiffeh]

Keep burying yourself after I flip lol

[Spiffeh]

Feysal they are scum so they probably won't read that unfortunately.

Actually I'd say UT is the N5 vig by the way they're coming out of the woodwork like this.

[Spiffeh]

All anyone has to do is ISO UT and hiplop on Day 3 to see how self preservationist they have been, much more in line with how I would expect the N5 vig to play. Also look at how little they care about finding scum and are only voting for the player most vocally against them.

@Feysal I'm have Shinobi as null right now because he has done very little this day which makes it difficult to judge. I had him as town before today.

[Spiffeh]

If people can't see through their shit we deserve to fucking lose.

[Spiffeh]

Also Blade Dancer why in the fuck are you voting for me?

That's like four people that can provide no reason for voting for me.

[Spiffeh]

I think UT is the N5 vig because of the way everyone and their mother started coming after me after I started scum reading UT.

DS why do you think UT is town? Look at his D3 contributions and tell me how that comes from town.

[Spiffeh]

UT remember that time you did no scum hunting and gave absolutely no shits until your ass was on the line?

Oh yeah that was all day!

Your reason is horseshit. You're latching onto one thing and hoping people will buy it.

[Spiffeh]

DS HOW ARE ANY OF THOSE THINGS TOWN?

[Spiffeh]

The fact that he's "remained on the same wagon" just speaks to how he isn't making any effort in finding scum and how he is tunneling and refusing to do anything other than protect his own ass. THIS IS SCUMMY BECAUSE SCUM DON'T NEED TO FIND SCUM.

[Spiffeh]

YES I'M MAD BEFORE ANYONE ASKS

[Spiffeh]

Oh my God DS

You cannot be serious

So you're saying that scum won't act scummy? How do we decide who to vote off then? That is the biggest crock of bullshit I've heard.

[Spiffeh]

I'm seriously done. There is no way you can actually think that.

So you're saying that if a 12-year mafia player rolls scum then the village is automatically doomed? There's NOTHING we can do because they will have perfected this game?

[Spiffeh]

Jesus Christ UT how many teammates do you have covering for your ass?

[Spiffeh]

Um yes I'm freaking out because if I'm mislynched there's one day left to lynch the N5 vig.

Not that you'd care.

[Spiffeh]

But you're right I'm probably just gonna stop caring because no one else does.

[Spiffeh]

Wow Blade Dancer your case against me was really insightful.

[Spiffeh]

Oh wait you don't have one and you never will!

[Spiffeh]

This is gonna be my last post of the day because getting I'm unhealthily pissed off at this. I'm sure UT or hiplop will take some last minute pot shots on me because a lot of you are impressionable. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Can whoever isn't voting just vote and either put me out of my misery or, you know, vote for scum? Thanks. There's less than 2 days left before deadline and the worst possible thing that can happen is a no lynch.

I am pretty sure that hiplop and UT are two of the remaining scum. All of my reasons are in my ISO. I honestly can't tell who the last one is because everyone suddenly started to make the most idiotic and scumfucky decisions ever so whoever is village among DS, Shinobi, Blade Dancer, and Klingon really need to step it the fuck up. Clearly Scum too if he is even still itg.

If I had to guess, UT is probably the N5 vig.

I have to leave now before I start saying things that aren't nice.

ttfn

[Spiffeh]

There is a little over 24 hours left until deadline and we need to decide on a lynch by then.

ika Feysal Clearly Scum and DiamondSentinel need to condense onto someone.

I'm not having a no lynch and going through this same shit again tomorrow. It's a waste of a day.

[Spiffeh]

If any one of those people don't vote for one of myself or UT before deadline then they might be scum too.

[Spiffeh]

hiplop do you actually want to do something productive this day.

Or are you going to be entirely useless again?

[Spiffeh]

Like seriously I'm not even dealing with this other people can take the helm or whatever. I was wrong but UT admitted that he played horribly and my reasons were always clear when I was voting for him. Unlike yours hiplop.

I might actually want to sheep the dead player and vote for Shinobi because he has been an unhelpful lurk sack since like Day 2.

Yeah I'm doing that.

VOTE: Shinobi

hiplop might just be bad town.

[Spiffeh]

Hi I'm here.

Why are people acting like forgetting when the N5 vig goes off is a "misrep"?

If anything it's a towntell to me (though very very mild as it's really easy to fake). I wouldn't expect scum DS to think of that though which is why I think DS is town.

ika might be scum

discuss

[Spiffeh]

hi hiplop

[Spiffeh]

DS is town please vote for someone else.

I'll let you know who in when I can be bothered to read into this.

[Spiffeh]

No

VOTE: hiplop

DS is obvtown and hiplop is obvscum

So obv in fact I second guessed myself but not anymore.

[Spiffeh]

^ Ank if you think that is scum I'm disappointed

[Spiffeh]

You're bad he obviously didn't understand what you were trying to say.

[Spiffeh]

Blade Dancer that was a nice hammer yesterday

[Spiffeh]

Ok you're bad but probably not the vig so w/e

[Spiffeh]

I'm glad you are being so expansive with your scum hunting.

You're probably scum but I doubt your team would allow you to play so terribly if you were the N5 vig so I'm not lynching you today.

Tbh I don't even know who it could be so randing might be the best option

[Spiffeh]

Hi sorry.

I could lynch hiplop I guess?

[Spiffeh]

Like no one is really giving a case on a valid case on anyone else and I think hiplop is scum.

And hopefully the vig?

VOTE: hiplop

[Spiffeh]

By the way hiplop is reacting I think he's the n5 vig

[Spiffeh]

lol @ hiplop suddenly giving a fuck about this game when his ass is on the line

obv n5 vig is obv

[Spiffeh]

@Aristophanes if you really think I'm scum at this point idk what to tell you

I think I've made it pretty abundantly clear where I stand

[Spiffeh]

Sorry for being bad

Booooooo

Shinobi gdi

[Spiffeh]

Should have stuck with Klingon scum

[Spiffeh]

At least I can say I wasn't a part of the DS wagon which was quite possibly the worst mislynch in history

Not that I was good this game in any sense of the word.