MAFIACEPTION GAME OVER! Flawless Victory!

[Gorkington]

vote: frogguy

[Gorkington]

dont let the man get you down, frog.

[Gorkington]

i really like inception.

[Gorkington]

i kind of think porochaz is scum.
i'll spend all day thinking about whether i should vote him.

[Gorkington]

bye. food

frogger why haven't you voted anatole yet

youre a liar.

also, just wanted to say i think youre doing a really good job whichever side youre on so far!

[Gorkington]

I'd rather use my vote to make the above guy do something rn.

thats very transparent of you.
tell me why blatant opportunism is scummier than subtle opportunism.

[Gorkington]

anatole vs pere.
the supposed potential scum-motivations in both of their votes.

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titussssss.
where are youuuuuu.

[Gorkington]

poro.
tell me all about.
titus.
and why i shouldnt change my inane wagonbuilding RVS vote to either her or you.

[Gorkington]

titus i will start a wagon on you.
in like a heartbeat.
if you dont start being town.

why arent you commenting on anything?

[Gorkington]

>:E

[Gorkington]

do you want the day2 treatment again?
that was fun.

[Gorkington]

With maybe the exception of Anatole, I don't agree with your team at all.

its funny because i feel the opposite.

[Gorkington]

vote: titus

i dont feel like waiting this game.
her vote on bulba has no energy.
shes asking other people to explain scumreads so she can have an excuse to get off.
shes messing around and appeasing where she would be trying harder as town.
easy scumlynch.

[Gorkington]

i feel so boring.

[Gorkington]

snarky retort.
are you voting mario for getting your meta wrong?
because if you are then im rolling my eyes at you.
especially when titus is literally being scum in the middle of the thread.

[Gorkington]

i think a quickwagon would be fun to read d2.

[Gorkington]

i dont agree with you spiff sorry man.
if mario is town im pretty confident that he'll make it obvious.
and i feel like he is town thus far. dont see why he would fake a meta dive as scum and having seen his scumgame in action, i feel like i can see where hes coming from in general.
*hitoshrug*

Caught up, not much to say on the rest though.

Ask questions if you'd like.

May list later.

tell me why you arent voting titus in three sentences or less.
;D

[Gorkington]

wow im feeling pressured right now.

[Gorkington]

i just gave an awkward townlean explanation.
pressure me on it or something instead of smalltalk.
if youre genuinely trying to figure me out then put some effort into it.

[Gorkington]

more just poro and titus.
titus is a fucking gimme imo.
i kind of expect you not to see it though.
not that you would know why i feel that way.

[Gorkington]

You guys can bite me. It's not even that far into Day 1. I'm not going to be hyper aggressive and yell OMG this person is scum until I'm sure I got a scumread. I don't. Hey, at least I got the wagon on Titus out of the way.

Oh and Just who the fuck am I appeasing? That's an utter crock of shit.

Katsuki votes Gorkquis (Made up name intended to draw Katsuki's attention, not effective as a vote)

Maybe cause I'm not scum. Lols.

this is titus being frustrated at being caught d1 as scum again.
not titus being frustrated at being wagoned in general.
weeeeeeeeeeeee.
its almost boring how easy this was.

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for the record, i dont expect towntitus to be screaming about people being scum.
i do expect her to try and actually pressure people in a way that feels real.

[Gorkington]

caaaaaaaaaan you feeeeeeeel the loooooooovee tonighttttttt

[Gorkington]

this seems a lot more like threeprong than any towngame ive seen.

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far.
she sat there and watched while bulba did a lot of things and did nothing with it.
she would be questioning people townreading bulba if she was town.
shes not town.
you defending her like this is waffles because you were literally just in three pronged.
>:E

[Gorkington]

I've seen her like this as town.

links.
or im gonna be suspy of you.

[Gorkington]

you didnt comment on anything bulba was doing while voting him.

[Gorkington]

WHILE you were voting him.
aka you were giving commentary and messing around plenty in the thread all while not doing anything with your scumread that was apparently worth voting.

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which is especially baloney because so many people have been talking about him, theres a wagon and people defending him.
all taking a backseat to stuff like this:

How the hell am I not wagoned?

Katsuki votes me

Nope, my voting myself with a proxy isn't detrimental early day 1. I am using their votes to call attention to things. My own vote reflects my scumreads. If I was actually getting wagoned, I would take it off.

[Gorkington]

dumb.

[Gorkington]

what are you, jaqen?

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and i feel like bulba has done more than that.

and i also feel like you still arent trying to actually make a wagon happen there/trying to convince people of anything/trying to call out people's interactions surrounding him.
basically.
baloney.

[Gorkington]

In other news my gut is telling me Porochaz is scum and I can't pinpoint why

nice!

[Gorkington]

It's a meta tell. Titus is not tunnelling, thus Titus is scum. That or Titus's argument is moonlogic. Titus is scum. It's not a personal meta tell but a relationship one.

im pffffting so hard right now.

[Gorkington]

stop trying to buddy me.
im not going to stop scumreading you.

[Gorkington]

nah.
i also think poro is scum atm!

You 100% cannot read me if you think this is buddying.

youre making pointless arguments with me trying to convince me youre town for bad reasons.
maybe buddying is a bad term for it, but your engage here feels surface level and empty.
especially since im not calling you scum for not tunneling.
im calling you scum for not scumhunting.
which is an extension of this endless talk youre having with me that wouldnt be even remotely helping you find scum if you were town.

[Gorkington]

Also in trouser game she didn't bitch about the votes on her. She was calm that game.

yes she did.
no she wasnt.

[Gorkington]

i will read clue mafia again though.

[Gorkington]

@Gork, I don't lie as scum unless necessary beyond my alignment.

I can tell people they are wrong about me without turning the thread into a shitfest. If not, I won't play. I am tired to being the day 1 mislynched due to bullshit.

I should probably just leave, my sheer existance here is a distraction and I ALWAYS have this bullshit every day 1. It's starting to get to be a tell as to my slot's alignment.

What I get frustrated over is literally spending hours of my time writing a post together on how to read Titus in mafia discussion, and I get fosed for my town indicators. I tell people to read it, and it gets ignored. More bullshit piles on.
Then, I get blamed for defending myself. It's a repetitive cycle. None of it is "scumhunting" but merely, Titus is a threat, policy lynch Titus. etc.
The players who essentially votepark and only mention Titus don't EVER have anything happen to them. ika votes me and then fucking coasts for many fucking days.

hbd.
she would get more frustrated by me doing this two games in a row.
im not as sure as i was last game yet, but titus is also playing a little more reservedly so im willing to let her play for a bit, cause i think she'll make it super apparent when she tries to produce content.

[Gorkington]

and thats a weakass tell.
anger is a fucking lame reason to think someone is town.
i get angry as scum and channel that shit into my play.
its hella easy to fake being angry or to use anger to fake content.

[Gorkington]

i could get what youre saying if i was even try to imply slightly that i think titus is scum for being angry.
im not.

[Gorkington]

wait you think thats me saying that i think scumtitus is angry? :/
i was saying that titus would be more active in trying to find scum right now.
as in her play early on was jokey and undriven.
as in basically exactly how she opened in threepronged.

p-edit: yeah.

[Gorkington]

how are you tonight spiff.

[Gorkington]

im doing alright.
this game is almost kind of getting to be fun which is neat!

[Gorkington]

that might need some homework to be properly articulated.
i dont feel great about my reads on players ive never played with during earlygame.
if i were to lamely explain my gut tingles, it would be that his tone feels flat and forced.

[Gorkington]

I do!

[Gorkington]

i actually dont hate titus's last few posts.

[Gorkington]

vote: dongempire

because poro can be a tonight problem.

[Gorkington]

youre positioning yourself like i would as scum.
in the middle of a fight without committing to it.

[Gorkington]

also i dont like any scumread youve talked about at all.

[Gorkington]

yes pls.
because poro is probably also scum but i dont want to read his posts right now and figure out why.

ok
why

calling spiff scum for being fluffy is balls.
mario is lynchbait.
and im town and scum love to take a swing at me earlygame when they dont know any better.

[Gorkington]

nah im okay for now.
maybe tonight.

p-edit: proud of you!

[Gorkington]

[quote="farside]It's it weird I think gork is too agressive this game?[/quote]i will adjust my play to compensate for this comment.

[Gorkington]

damn.

[Gorkington]

"i feel like dong is flying under the radar," gork tried to say calmly, appearing to be the opposite of aggressive.

[Gorkington]

well, at the moment i feel less aggressive than i did in that game.

i'd like for mario to give more words about where hes currently at readwise.
i still feel like hes lynchbait.
and yes i realize im opening myself to a host of bullshit later by saying this.
his argument with ricastle reads as town noise though. he doesnt give any indication that hes trying to set up ricastle in that exchange and he isnt exactly buddying pere.
when he does get down to questioning bulba, it reads a lot more like unconvincing townpush rather than scum trying to generate fake content.
i would expect scummario to be overly confident in his pushes or sheep someone elses case.

And by the mindset of wagons, there are about ... two scum on my wagon right now. Believe I'm town for a moment, who are they?

i also dont think scummario says this to a scumread.

mario is one of those people thats easy to lynch. he puts his foot in his mouht and wabham u got a wagon going. i could be wrong about him, but i really feel like hes the sort of player that deserves more nuance when youre attempting to read him than "HE SAID SOMETHING DUMB" or "HE SEEMS SCUMMY".

Gork why are you getting on Titus for not commenting on Bulbazak as she was voting for him when Ricastle is doing the same thing with Titus and on top of that never provided a reason to vote for her in the first place?

its more of a scumtitus thing than a titus thing.
im not really as sure that shes scum now anyways.

dong is still best vote NA.
chipped in to mechanics discussion in overly unmeaningful way. easy fake content.
spiffeh scumread is sidelining the froggerwagon without committing. uncomfortable with tearing down frogger wagon, but still wants cred later for attacking person leading it.
calling poro out for backtracking. still hasnt voted anyone.
jumps on mario which is an easy ass vote.
gork scumreading sidelining the tituswagon without committing. uncomfortable with tearing down titus wagon, but still wants cred later for attacking person leading it.
baboom.

[Gorkington]

He's at 8/12 now so vote carefully, no nead to lynch early.

welcome to my south of null pile.

[Gorkington]

right.

except a) meta is valid when used correctly.
b) i said other reasons that mario is town beyond that specific point.

[Gorkington]

dont be reductive at me.
you'll regret it.

[Gorkington]

slow burn?
waiting?
and mario said things about spiff meta that are apparently wrong.
foot in mouth.

[Gorkington]

this is seriously stronger play than what ive seen from scummario.
ricastle should be backing me up on this.
>:(

[Gorkington]

i dont think mario is scum -.-

[Gorkington]

bad play is not town play. you dont need to be a good player to be town.

[Gorkington]

even so.
i dont see him getting exponentially better as scum.

[Gorkington]

bad play is not scum play*

[Gorkington]

right.
because scum would totally intentionally fake meta on someone.
thats a real thing that would happen.

[Gorkington]

[Gorkington]

Why is dong a stronger scumread than Poro?

poro felt aight in his last few posts.

[Gorkington]

i gave reasons

[Gorkington]

..?
i havent changed votes.

p-edit: 453

[Gorkington]

i actually kind of feel like katsuki might be scum.

[Gorkington]

Do you still think Titus is scum? Because I really can't see the two as scum together.

someone quoted something titus said a while ago that pinged me again, again, i dont hate her play this last little while though and i have multiple dumb reasons for not wanting to push her that i dont really care to talk about right now.
i dont see why katsuki/titus is a combination that youre eliminating.
or rather, i see why, and disagree.

[Gorkington]

Gork feels like the town gork I know but I feel like his pushes are a lot worse this game and I don't know what to make of it.

youre a nerd.

[Gorkington]

sure.

vote: poro

[Gorkington]

P.S ZZZX should be vigged tonight.

nah.

Can we just lynch this with fire?

nope.

vote: anatole

i am the wagon master this game!

[Gorkington]

also, p5 is probably town.

ana.
why are you calling spiff scum for calling you scum without evidence to back it up.
isnt that.
dare i say.
hippocritical?


also if you could give some more reads thatd be greattastic.

[Gorkington]

also also bulba is maybe town for the titus reachout.

bulba, p5, frogguy, marquis, chaos and tamm are pretty town.
farside, ranger and spiff are hopefully town.
mario is townlean.
theres a bunch of nulls.
titus, kats and dong are scumleans.
ana and pepto are pretty good bet 4 scum.

p-edit: i read some of it. your argument with spiff is pretty bananas in an awful way.
you definitely havent given condensed reads either.

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i) marquis is pretty town so far. so theres that.
ii) iso people. give reads on them.
iii) give substantial points on why you think people are scummy beyond just "you havent given reasons for me being scum".
because that shit is easy to fake.

[Gorkington]

if me completely disproving every one of spiffeh's points isn't enough

your iso is unconvincing of this.
use quotes.
argue better.
or dont and i can park.
;D

P-edit: because my early reads are straight garbage, like most other players. I'm just less vocal about my shitty reads than most people

so.
you have no confidence in your reads.
but youre trying to push spiff as scum.
smells like dissonance.

[Gorkington]

also, if youre being serious right now, i think its pretty silly that youd decry your earlygame reads as bad while also saying that you refuse to actually read into players in the game with focus.
i would assume your reads would be terrible and awful if you didnt actually try to put effort into them.

[Gorkington]

also if you make yourself seem town enough i might go for a lurker push.
so hey.
incentive.

[Gorkington]

okay, i feel like im not being articulate enough.
yes, you did respond to spiff's points.
but you havent articulated why you think hes scum well at all.
saying "oh this person pushed me and then someone agreed with him, the person who agreed with him is scum" is just utterly unconvincing and feels like a throwaway easy comment. almost all of your points as to why people are scum are at this surface level of content.
"frogger is antitown"
"marquis is making bad pushes"
"spiff is sheeping marquis's bad push"
nothing in there is convincing of anything.
i cant say ive played with you before. but you give me the impression that youre capable of more than what youve given so far. so for you to be all "wah wah wah why is it all happening to me" just feels fake because you yourself have admitted your pushes earlygame are apparently bad. why would you be surprised at people calling you out on that?

[Gorkington]

I HAVE THE POWERRRRRR.

proxy vote: anatole

!!!!!

[Gorkington]

what.

[Gorkington]

also i feel like a trendsetter.
everyone started posting full readslists after i did c:

[Gorkington]

i mean.
if youre not going to respond to anything thats been directed at you the last few pages then sure.

[Gorkington]

so, gonna go with anatole is just scum who doesnt care.

[Gorkington]

i cant tell if youre just a dumbface who literally read nothing from the last few pages.

[Gorkington]

maybe.
im gonna be stubborn until he actually does something.

[Gorkington]

are you going to apologize too?

[Gorkington]

calling me a VI when you were just being a dumbface who cant read.

[Gorkington]

what if we lynch anatole because i dont like him?

[Gorkington]

still things you havent responded to.
perfectly content sitting here until you do your homework like a big boy.

[Gorkington]

lol.

[Gorkington]

nah its just so hard actually reading the game.
you know?
i dont want to actually go back pages and look at things that have already been said.
because thats just hard.

[Gorkington]

and lol at you thinking youre trolling anything right now.

[Gorkington]

right.

[Gorkington]

nah i get what marquis is getting at.
ana still might be scum though.
and honestly wiping a shitty presence from the game on d1 that MIGHT be scum is almost as good as trying as hard as possible for a scumlynch.
because dealing with ana by d3 is gonna be a chore.
and by d5 im probably going to hate being in this game if hes still alive.

man ana, if i was scum and you were town, you would be making it really easy for me to fake content right now.
just as an added source of laughs in this funny funny situation.

[Gorkington]

right.

[Gorkington]

ive given you plenty of space to respond in a productive way.
youre choosing to be difficult, noisy and annoying.

could be that youre town who finds my playstyle annoying.
i dont really care though.
;D

[Gorkington]

"BUT PEOPLE ARE SCUM FOR CALLING ME SCUMMY"
give me a break.

[Gorkington]

b) I think spiffeh and potentially glork are scum. Yes, it looks like OMGUS because pretty much everyone but Bulba has been content letting most of the game lurk while you dummies tunnel me and waste the entire day.

im not gonna feel bad if you flip town.

[Gorkington]

oh crap id better get you out of the way before you can read me lategame!

[Gorkington]

why would you want to lynch mario over one of your scumreads?
[should i even bother asking questions?]

[Gorkington]

what exactly is the supposed difference between d1 and nond1 for you that your reads suddenly become not awful?

[Gorkington]

bleh.

vote: pepto

proxyvote from chaos: pepto

someone else should tell me what they think of this:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7c70161f59
because ana's iso in this game just reads like a limp stick.
which it doesnt here.

[Gorkington]

also, far, youre giving me weird vibes.

[Gorkington]

also also.
titus.
where is your head at right now.

also also also.
spiff.
talk at me why anatole isnt warped/bacde 2.0.

[Gorkington]

Everyone who disagrees with you is scum or weird or both, thus making your actual thoughts incomprehensible yo me.

i didnt ask for your thoughts on me.
thanks for the assessment though.
appreciate the incredibly valid critique.

[Gorkington]

Sure his subsequent reaction wasn't great at that point but there is a lot more of a case as far as Anatole is concerned.

did bacde provide any kind of content beyond calling anyone who voted him scum/dumb as a brick?

[Gorkington]

Your lack of gripe with Ricastle dodging scum hunting shows a selective bias. I can't trust or sort you. You have no consistency.

also youre calling me incomprehensible.
but i literally have no idea what youre trying to say here.
and its probably because youre being incoherent.
so eat it.

[Gorkington]

its admittedly more than im personally used to from scump5 too?

[Gorkington]

mumblemumblemumble

[Gorkington]

Your reads have no consistency.

oh i get it.
your point is still either dumb or willfully ignorant of context though.
different players play differently.
i think you avoiding scumhunting is scummy in the context of how you play as scum.
i think ricastle not providing as much content as he normally does it about as scummy as anen's lack of content was in three pronged. because he doesnt strike me as necessarily the kind of player that drives the gamestate on d1 every single game hes in as town and thus feel null towards him.
see the difference?
you cant apply the same tells to every player because nobody plays the same way.

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when theres 21 people?
i dont see why not.

i havent seen anything particularly substantive about ricastle being scum.
maybe i would feel more like i was deliberately ignoring ricastle if that wasnt the case?

and again, like.
people not doing anything isnt inherently scummy.
saint, xtoxm, bacde, anen and misaka did barely anything in three pronged.
all of them were town.
lack of content is annoying and shouldnt be rewarded, but im not going to throw a dagger in the dark just because someone is being inactive unless the purpose is moreso to cull the fat from the game rather than trying to find scum.

[Gorkington]

"hey guys if i ignore everything that gork is saying to just call it shit and repeat the same thing over and over that makes it true right?"

p-edit: i mean probably. i'd like to get good gutvibes from whatever direction we throw the dagger at least.

[Gorkington]

im so bored right now.

[Gorkington]

sure lets lynch him im so excited.

[Gorkington]

ugh.

[Gorkington]

im gonna be sad at how easy it is for abrasive people to get mislynched if ana flips town.

[Gorkington]

i like causing paranoia.
its much more fun than being obvtown >:D
i also dont think i was into ana lynch as you think i was?

[Gorkington]

not implying you are.
i think his abrasiveness is lending itself to his lynchability though.

[Gorkington]

This is Anatole being gleeful at getting a chance to use a fake claim, one he believes will dissolve his wagon and allow him to roam with impunity.

so you think he feels this way.
and then never ends up claiming?
why?

[Gorkington]

and im telling you that ive seen that specific behavior from town more than scum.
ive used it as reasoning to get people mislynched.
q.q

[Gorkington]

whatevs.
if ana flips town then i get to be a snooty-ass mothafucka d2.
;D

[Gorkington]

especially since i linked meta where he was wooden as fuck as scum and nobody read it.

[Gorkington]

when he got pushed he wasnt wooden.
in game i linked he was wooden even when pushed.
question yourself.
bitch.
;D

[Gorkington]

It puts the responsibility/fault on the town. In this case, no one bit.

oh okay.
ana, can you claim now?
..
;D

[Gorkington]

i still think if he had an AMAZING fakeclaim like you said, he would have just claimed when people started piling on him.
but whatevs.
ive made my stink.

[Gorkington]

okay.
at least do me the favour of skimming over his iso to see what im talking about from this game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select
particularly the last 100 or so posts when he was being wagoned.

[Gorkington]

im back to feeling good about titus being scum again.
reading over her attacks on me followed by ignoring me and complaining about my activity feel like three pronged again.

[Gorkington]

oh does pepto cover it up?
where where where.
i'll like my vote a lot more if he actually does.

[Gorkington]

yay yeah lets kill it.

[Gorkington]

im sad this is my first time really playing with you froggman.
i like the way you put a case together. it made me feel some energy again this game which is neat.
and yes this is blatant buddying.

[Gorkington]

nah.
i'm not townie enough this game.

[Gorkington]

but i'll talk through reads with you whenever you want.
<3

[Gorkington]

boop doop boop.
someone is scumposting.
and its the person avoiding everything thats been said about pepto.
boop doop boop.

[Gorkington]

dong. have you ever played as scum before?

[Gorkington]

okay. its just like. it seems like youre a newer player who is still caught up on the naive mindset of bad play only coming from scum. and im basically on the cusp of being like "dong is probably town because of how stubborn hes being about bad play being scummy".

[Gorkington]

because im a dick.

[Gorkington]

feel free to catch up to things actually worth talking about pere.
>:(

[Gorkington]

stop stealing my shtick pere.

[Gorkington]

nah the one where i use meta to defend anatole.
but also my formatting.
its what makes me me.

[Gorkington]

also marquis:

I'm back. I'll keep my vote on Pepto for now. It looks like no one said anything about his last post (654). Maybe it's just me, but it reads like a slip that he knows Mario is town.

If Pepto flips scum, Mario is essentially confirmed town to me. (more a note to myself than anything)

I get why people want Anatole lynched, but I don't think he's scum. More of a gut feeling than anything, though. 783 in particular reads very genuine to me.

I meant to say quicklynch in that post, but I'm super busy and did'nt notice.

So busy in fact, that

I am requesting replacement from this game

[Gorkington]

i think she also chose the wrong reaction to have to someone scumslipping.

[Gorkington]

you literally quoted it.
stop trying to make me sound like an idiot.
i can do that well enough for myself thank you very much and it wont make you seem any less scummy.
;D

[Gorkington]

titus.
if youre scum.
i demand you concede that im a fucking genius at reading you.
that is all.

p-edit: nah.
shes calling me an idiot because shes upset that her scumgame is wafflesauce.

[Gorkington]

are you sure being mean to me is the route you want to take?
when im annoyed i scream and shout until i get what i want.
you know this from experience.

[Gorkington]

"hey guys. anatole is scum. but im not gonna do anything about his wagon falling apart. im just gonna kind of sideline everything. also ricastle is scum. but im not going to vote him. im just going to use him as an excuse to discredit people pushing me. also pepto cant be scum because he replaced and that thereby makes everything they did 100% null because they cant defend anything theyve done."
-definitely towntitus.
definitely.
totally.

[Gorkington]

Anatole wagon is leading over your so called slip.

People call me dumb so I can't dish it?

ana wagon is fizzling.
i dont think ive called you dumb.
i just think your scumgame is easy to spot.
sorry for being obnoxious about it? i guess?

[Gorkington]

There's a point where if I actually push the right answer people fabricate cases and call me scum.

seriously though.
do you actually expect me or anyone to believe you actually think this?
because it literally just reads sooooooooooo damn forced.
:/

[Gorkington]

Show me this so called slip. Explain it.

pepto said mario was a mislynch.
which isnt a big deal.
but he then went and tried to make it seem like less of a big deal in a way that doesnt seem real.
which is a scumslip ive seen before.

Terrible bad basically discrediting me in almost every post.

Ana wagon is fine but eve if it wasn't I'll vote scum by myself if I have to.

right.
okay titus.
lets pretend you believe ana is scum.
why are you doing NOTHING about it?
-.-

Blitz 1

im talking about HOW youre going about talking about it.
i believe that scum may have pushed you before.
but you thinking that im scum reacting to your "stellar" pushes this game is fucking laughable. you havent pushed shit this game.

He wasn't wooden in either time shift ii or mafia on the air as scum. In fact his over the top abrasiveness in telling people, especially bulbazack, how much they sucked at mafia for pushing him is why I started town reading him in time shift.

this is the most interesting thing someone has said in this thread since someone pointed out pepto cover up post! yay!
can you link either game?

[Gorkington]

Break that down. Less of a big deal, assuming that's true, how is that scum rather than changing his mind? Grab specific posts from both games. Walk me through it. Not just state it's scummy BC he did not mirror the same opinion at the same strength.

i feel like youre not even trying to understand what happened.

[Gorkington]

oooo fun are we doing rvs wagons again?
this game got really annoying again.

[Gorkington]

hey let me know when you actually read my posts.

right.

let me just go and look at your mario case again and reach the same conclusion that i did:
"mario fucked around earlygame and was awkward"
wow im floored here.
are you expecting people to townread you for an overconfident catch-up?
because i maybe would if you werent just reading the first 40 posts of the game and making whats essentially an rvs vote based on that.

[Gorkington]

@Gork, are you going to respond to m request for you to elaborate?

are you going to even try to pretend to understand what actually happened with pepto?
because i already said once that basically everything you said summarizing what happened was wrong.
pepto says "mario is a mislynch"
and then follows up saying "oh i meant quicklynch hehe not mislynch".
not even close to whatever roundabout wraparound thing you were trying to say.

players like you will probably never realize it

oh man fun we're playing the everyone talks shit about gork game now! weeeeeeeee!

okay bb.
youre calling all of the current wagons shit.
stop dancing around titus wagon then.

p-edit:

vote: titus

[Gorkington]

thats why her wagon is shit, right?
im pretty okay with back to back lynches on titus and bb right now.

[Gorkington]

i literally just explained it.
and you ignored it again.
because youre probably defending a scummate.
which is your scumMO.
so.
sure titus.
keep on keeping on.
if you roll scum against me again, i highly suggest taking a hard stance on whether im scum or not, rather than constantly towing the line between calling me bad and scum. it just really doesnt work.

[Gorkington]

i dont like the people on it

right.
literally the towniest people in the game other than poro who didnt choose to be on it.

[Gorkington]

just call me scum and omgus me already.
im not playing your game.

[Gorkington]

except its the way he played it off that people are calling scummy.

[Gorkington]

spiff.
tell me to leave and come back tomorrow.
because this game is making me upset.

[Gorkington]

"kid"

[Gorkington]

you sound like a frumpy dad.
except youre not old enough to actually be.

[Gorkington]

can we lynch titus now?

[Gorkington]

no titus is just scum.
like.
this is as sure as i get about a read.
shes just not town this game.
theres literally nothing town about her play.
no genuine sorting.
no genuine pushes.
theres just no energy.
just awkward buddying and half-committed pushes.

frogger illustrated it really well by drawing a comparison between two games.

[Gorkington]

far is dropping to nullscum.
will go lower if titus flips scum.
everything about that interaction they just had screams "lets try and distance by having me pretend to buddy you before i get lynched."

[Gorkington]

im gonna go read clue either tonight or tomorrow.
and if she doesnt give me the same vibes shes giving here, youre up at bat tomorrow.

[Gorkington]

okay.
why is titus reading town to you then.

[Gorkington]

his reads are all over the place despite all three people that hes voted being in the bottom half of the readslist you linked.

[Gorkington]

your ability to count is almost as bad as your ability to discern scumminess

He voted for Titus after calling her null-town just 'cause it's an easy lynch. Similar pattern with his other votes/reads.

saying his reads are all over the place because one read changed is an exaggeration.

sorry, I'll try refrain from the rudeness in the future

you should be nicer to the first person to defend you.
;D

[Gorkington]

Idk.
Ask her.

im asking why youre calling her town.
especially if "meta"-talk is making you sick.
because if i recall your main reason for calling her town was her play this game being similar to clue, no?

[Gorkington]

if you cant handle someone thinking youre faking something in a game where 25% of the people playing are guaranteed to be faking everything theyre doing then maybe mafia just isnt your cup of tea?

[Gorkington]

445-447, I realise its a joke, but it feels really off. A bit too pandering -1

i will do my best to avoid making jokes to avoid seeming scummy from now on.

[Gorkington]

i understand why the game has moved the direction that its moved.

but lets try and move it back.
i'll even try to be a little nicer.

titus is still really solid bet for scum.
despite the people crying about how theres just no case there
[even though i've summarized it a few times and frogger has also put it together nicely]
i can see why farside might think that titus is just having a bad game.
its plausible to me that far might be thinking that.

it just isnt plausible to me that titus would react this way to pressure as town.
sorry.

not once has she pushed anyone with any level of realistic genuineness.
its been what? 12 days now?
what has she pushed?
a lackluster park on bulba earlygame/
a policy/annoyance scumread on me.
a quotewall based on one point for poro that she hasnt pushed with any level of energy at any point.
lots of sidelining.
lots and lots and lots of buddying [which is a very scumtitus thing to do..]

i dont even know what to say.
if you cant see it at this point, youre ignoring a mountain of evidence.
and a lot of really townie people pushing a good case.

sucks to be you if youre town and not eating it up.
because youre going to be the first people i look at if/when titus flips scum.

[Gorkington]

The Titus thing that I keep coming back to is her early day one surprise that no wagon was on her, but then when one started her reaction felt off. I need to look back at We the Purple because there is something similar to there I think. I don't know Titus is a quandary to me right now. Everyone's stuff makes sense; I'm just having a tough time with reading her and sorting if this is Titus' scum game or she's having a bad town game. This is an enigma I want to work on a little bit this weekend when I have some downtime to look a the stuff I want to.

oh wait silly me, it was tammy who thought titus might be having a bad town game.

[Gorkington]

also drixx/titus could be scum based on that soft interaction they just had weeeeeee!

[Gorkington]

i know titus likes to have soft distancing interactions with scummates. so with a lack of content to read you by, i can preemptively lazily call you scummy. at least until you actually start being town. you could start by voting titus.

[Gorkington]

Condense on scum please. Ty.

because you would totally like not have an opinion as to who the scum worth condensing on would be if you were town.

[Gorkington]

youre not telling people how scummy it is that anatole stopped posting after the wagon on him dissolved. youre not trying to push people to join the wagon. youre just sitting there hoping your claim and ate will pull this wagon off of you.

[Gorkington]

where exactly am i calling your "townbloccing" AtE? im calling your AtE as i see it. as in this last post. and every other post youve made in response to me. which wouldnt be a big deal, but youre still literally not doing anything. titus trying to make a townbloc and not trying to find scum is just so symptomatic of scumtitus. you arent asking any pointed questions. arent actually trying to figure anything out. just occasionally tossing a buddying request at farside, abr or someone else or freaking out about how ridiculously unreasonable i am. if you cant see why i especially would find that scummy, then youre flat out scumclaiming.

[Gorkington]

Plus if I did yell about who was scum, you'd try to "policy lynch" me for "weak arguments" so I am tired of banging my head against a wall against Catch 22s.

i actually would probably take a step back and consider whether you were being genuine for a second.
but you havent done that so weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[Gorkington]

except im not whining, you are.
if you perceive literally anything im doing as whining then youre out of fucking touch.
but i honestly just think youre trying to frame shit to make me look unreasonable so whatevs.

[Gorkington]

You likely have more posts in the thread whining and cock blocking me than I have posts.

this sentence alone is more whining than ive done all game.
wah wah wahhhhhh.
why is it all happening to me
why is gork being soooo meannnn why is he so unreasonable why is he pushing me
why can i not scumhunt all because of gork oh no oh no.
get a fucking grip.
even if you are scum this is balls.

[Gorkington]

i really dont want to compromise.

[Gorkington]

what if.
we lynched titus.

[Gorkington]

Is that what you want to do? Your post is very tentative.

yeah youre right.
im just putting a line out.
to see if people might be possibly interested in a titus lynch.

[Gorkington]

funny how much easier a drixx wagon is to make.
funny.
[its not funny]

[Gorkington]

bye marquis.
i already miss you.

[Gorkington]

Gork you don't think Drixx is scum?

the way this wagon happened would suggest otherwise.

@Gork, why is the Drixx composition terrible?

why is there no nuance with how people are pushing him?

[Gorkington]

The lack of nuance is a town push. Transparency is good.

i dont agree.

To me it looks like you're objecting solely because it's a counter to me.

probably exclamation pointexclamation pointexclamation point

Oh and the wagon on me was super fast and baseless.

yeah no it wasnt and yeah no it wasnt.
you making posts like this last one is why youre still not pinging town.

Who are the scum on the Drixx wagon?

hiplop?
iuno im just saying titus wagon was like pulling fucking teeth to hit six votes.
drixx hit 6 in a heartbeat.

[Gorkington]

the wagon on you was not fucking fast and you know it.

[Gorkington]

keep using dumb buzzwords like catch 22 instead of actually saying anything.

[Gorkington]

whatever.
fuck this town.
enjoy probably mislynching someone instead of a free scumlynch.

[Gorkington]

im not going to force two people to vote for titus when shes not getting lynched.
theres so much bullshit resistance to her lynch, theres literally no way its happening.

[Gorkington]

besides im just dumb town loleoeleoel.
or scum.
i have to kepe my options open so i can eventually have the excuse to lamevote someone close to dedline haheroetheroehe.
fuck i hate mafia sometimes.

[Gorkington]

whatever.
call me dumb or scum again.
its real fun.
im having a good time.

[Gorkington]

im resisting urge to make them all vote me.

[Gorkington]

im not in the right mindset for this game right now.
see you at deadline!