Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

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so mollie is your only reason for voting me still "reck is bad"?

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that and meta. and gut.

Okay so... what meta? Because you can't just say "meta" when you really mean "being bad", and I feel like that's what you're doing. And again, gut on day three is fucking awful.

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can you point to why you feel I'm scum without using the words "gut" or "meta" please? That's all I'm asking. I want to understand your hesitance, because from where I'm sitting, it looks a hell of a lot like reactionary OMGUS bullshit

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can you point to why you feel I'm scum without using the words "gut" or "meta" please? That's all I'm asking. I want to understand your hesitance, because from where I'm sitting, it looks a hell of a lot like reactionary OMGUS bullshit

how in the world am I OMGUSing you when I voted you first and you had to be coerced into remotely considering the lynches to actually be on scum.

your end of day play looks like posturing.

pure posturing.

First off: I meant OMGUS as in you literally saying I suck and that's why you're voting for me, because you say I'm reading you wrong. I suppose that's not the exact terminology. Whatevs. Not what I meant!

Second off: you say it looks like posturing, fine. How would you expect a townsperson to react to what they perceived as a quickwagon on a town investigative power role? How does that expected reaction differ from how I reacted?

[xRECKONERx]

kmd is moving into my warm/fuzzy blind spot and I'm scared

also Nexus is town right? Like scum wouldn't steal their own vote...right???

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First off: I meant OMGUS as in you literally saying I suck and that's why you're voting for me, because you say I'm reading you wrong. I suppose that's not the exact terminology. Whatevs. Not what I meant!

okay so well are you saying that you suck this game?

[]yes
[]no

Yes, I am saying I'm not very good at mafia anymore.

Second off: you say it looks like posturing, fine. How would you expect a townsperson to react to what they perceived as a quickwagon on a town investigative power role? How does that expected reaction differ from how I reacted?

you lost me at town investigative power role.

I believed that Espe's claim of hider was legitimate as a town investigative power role. I'm not the only one -- Bins did, as well. The likelihood of us both being scum is slim to none, so I'm asking you: how would you expect a townsperson to react to what they perceived as a quickwagon on a town hider, and how was my reaction different from what you'd expect?

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heyyyy votethief stuff on the next page

man Spiffeh keeps skirting beneath my radar but whenever I do notice him, I kinda gut think "okay this is town" but what if I'm being rolled?

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I believed that Espe's claim of hider was legitimate as a town investigative power role. I'm not the only one -- Bins did, as well. The likelihood of us both being scum is slim to none, so I'm asking you: how would you expect a townsperson to react to what they perceived as a quickwagon on a town hider, and how was my reaction different from what you'd expect?

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Bins that post just opens you up to the top lynch candidates thrown around, have some originality

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THERE'S NO WAY I AM ON A SCUMTEAM WITH A FUCKING FLIPPED SCUMBAG WHO FAKED A HIDER CLAIM AGAINST ME JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU TWATS SMOKING

[xRECKONERx]

you guys are seriously reaching, huh?

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im loving that ckd is pushing me based on nightkill analysis

get good, scrub

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i 100% agree with ckd's nka and I wish pple wld stop it with the discrediting of scumhunting tools that they personally don't use. nka is huge in my book and a very useful tool when used in combination with other tools. body of work shows reck not looking good and the nks DO point to him and yes I can totally see espy trying to clear a drowning teammate by saying that he hid behind them. reck's reaction to espy's lynch seems overblown and fake to me and reck hasn't done 1 goddamn thing this entire game.

i can't wait until this game is over and i can fucking dance around on my coffee table while singing a song about how wrong you are

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nightkill analysis is a bad tool because it's the ONLY thing scum have SOLE control over and it's nothing but a big bag of wifom

ckd's continual insistence that we should "follow the kills" makes no sense

[xRECKONERx]

Why around the coffee table specifically?

ON my fucking coffee table

[xRECKONERx]

nightkill analysis is a bad tool because it's the ONLY thing scum have SOLE control over

and it's nothing but a big bag of wifom

ckd's continual insistence that we should "follow the kills" makes no sense

wrt bold: which is why we need to look at it. I mean what are they trying to control? that is where you look bad.

I have said we need to piece things together why are you being such a lazy fuck.

Because a kill could easily be made for PR hunting reasons.
Or because scum want to introduce WIFOM into the situation.
Or because a kill could be made to easily frame someone.
Or because a kill could be any intersection of these things.

There are so many possibilities out there besides "scumbag killing off threats to his/her survival" that assuming kills were made with that in mind is irresponsible and dangerous.

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ckd's continual insistence that we should "follow the kills" makes no sense

what doesnt make any sense? what exactly DOESNT MAKE SENSE? clearly I am conflicted about you...have you read the past 2 pages? what exactly have I fucking said these past two pages that you are not getting?

oooh my you're a lil spicy meatball arent u

[xRECKONERx]

also, I'll happily lynch reck without nightkill analysis.

bring it on

[xRECKONERx]

ooooooh ;^) ;^) ;^)



SpIcY mEaTbAlL

[xRECKONERx]

i guess im not getting how someone can be so fucking bad at this game that they think NKA is a legit reason to lynch someone in a vacuum????????????? maybe i am the stupid one

[xRECKONERx]

sry 4 swear

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NKA is fine as a supporting detail I think.

As long as you don't ignore other stuff and make it the crux of your argument it's fine.

which is LITERALLY what ckd did

[xRECKONERx]

guyz I want to continue to do nothing in this game don't make me do something plz

VOTE: reck

mollie i always wanted to believe you were smart

dont make me sad

[xRECKONERx]

despite my PLETHORA of requests for people to provide actual reasons why I'm scum, the only person who did so was catboi

mollie/myko/ckd are all reasonless votes, because fuck YOU if you think NKA or meta (read: "reck is bad at this game") are legitimate reasons

what's even MORE hilarious is these votes/suspicions are STILL coming my way DESPITE the DEAD FLIPPED SCUM CLAIMING AN INNO ON ME LIKE HELLO? HELLO

hello

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I want to vote Kmd or Nexus probably

I never really townread CDB, he just manuevered directly into my blindspot

And every time I see Nexus post I just see nothing really but I think I want to lynch Kmd a bit more because Nexus being so completely disengaged from the game seems REALLY townish? Like if he was scum and he was helping to make these very specific kills, I would think he'd have more of a plan than "get prodded and produce no content"

VOTE: KMD and this is probably my death, because KMD has been not attacking me and now that I'm voting him he'll flip on me, probably

also, curiously, there's a missing kill from N1, and I just noticed that. I had assumed it was an arsonist kill because I saw it mentioned somewhere else but we actually have no confirmation of that and the kill flavors are all diff

p.edit: UGH but don't you see what I said above as town indicators froM Nexus?

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i like how i said i want to vote nexus then talked myself out of it in the same post, gj reck

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Flameaxe

: BROCHAT. I could possibly see myself getting rolled by BBM scum slipping into my blindspot by broing out with me, but I have nothing to go on with that other than blind paranoia.

mykonian

: Probably scum. Called him scum earlier for whatever the fuck. Fueled the ckd/mollie nonsense on me by saying he'd vote me, but

not for the reasons they are voting me

, which absolves him of the absolute braindead stupidity ckd/mollie are pushing without providing any content.

pirate mollie

: I see no universe in which mollie, as scum, is this absolutely pants-on-head. The constant waffling and pushing of me with no reasoning or context other than "lolgut" and "you're bad at this game" does not make sense coming from scum-mollie, as I feel like she'd be a bit more careful and less

oh god the horror, so bad, like, Lovecraftian levels of ethereal stupidity

.

Kmd4390

: Could see CDB as scum who just made it into my blind spot. I really like the effort of KMD's catchup posts, but this could just be a really strong ::effortpost:: from someone replacing into a scum slot under heavy suspicion.

xRECKONERx

: Really, blatantly, obviously town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably very bad at this game? Like worse than me. That's saying a lot.

Davsto

: I gave a bit of a ramble earlier about why Davsto struck me as town and I stand by it, though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't freaking out a bit that I've been so wrong this game that I derailed a wagon on Davsto-scum... but it went from Dav to Espeonage, so I don't think scum would counterwagon a stronger player.

Nexus

: Done a whole lot of nothing, but the disengagement doesn't make sense in my head if Nexus is scum, because he would be pretty engaged with his scumbuddies in selecting kills. He'd also be one of the last scum left, so his dangerous lurker play seems less likely in that situation.

notscience

: Poooooossibly scum? I dunno. I have no real impression of notscience this far into the game and that kind of scares me. Maybe I'm subconsciously skimming his posts because my brain is picking up on scumwaves or something.

curiouskarmadog

: Waffling on me seems...not awful. Backing down from a scum push on me due to the Espe claim seems like the town thing to do, like he legit believed I was scum then was presented with strong evidence to the contrary and was like "oh uh maybe not".

Starbuck

: It felt icky when she was subtly positioning herself to jump on me by slowly "coming around" based on very little, but I *really* liked Starbuck's early game catchup posts and they screamed SB-town to me.

spiffeh

: IDFK man. Town? Probably town.

scotmany12

: If BBM is town, I think scot might be scum. Scot is tryharding and that doesn't make sense to me coming from scot, unless he's scum and wants to roll people? This is purely conjecture.

Bins

: Had a similar reaction to the Espe claim as I did, probably town? But some earlier word choices gave me the slight heebie jeebies

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NKA is stupid, always has been, always will be.

can you plz link the game where you decided this?

Give me a real reason why you're voting me that isn't NKA or stupid meta or get the fuck out.

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NKA is stupid, always has been, always will be.

can you plz link the game where you decided this?

Give me a real reason why you're voting me that isn't NKA or stupid meta or get the fuck out.

how about you let dave answer the question instead of you interferring

Give me a real reason why you're voting me that isn't NKA or stupid meta or get the fuck out.

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NKA is stupid, always has been, always will be.

can you plz link the game where you decided this?

I'm like 90% sure I've always thought it was crap, and if not it hardly will have come for me in some sort of written epiphany that I can conveniently link.

why do you think it is crap?

I am asking why and how came to this conclusion that you trying to produce as a fact

Give me a real reason why you're voting me that isn't NKA or stupid meta or get the fuck out.

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cos you haven't done 1 thing that comes from a town perspective.

Burden of proof is on you to show where I've done

scummy

things since you're so convinced I am scum.

[xRECKONERx]

hi cdb!

is there something you wanna talk about?

Hi!

I think that getting all "harrumph vote stands" over what might be the nullest post of all time is more likely to come from scum than town ilu

Yesssss CDB is defending me

This puts him squarely in my blind spot where he can coast for approx. 4 days before I become aggressively aware of my blind spot and tunnel anyone and everyone in it

Hmm, I guess I can't lynch KMD yet.

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also i just realized in the post where I said I was "going batty" and then apologized for sounding like a Batman villain, nobody ever caught my pun :[

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How do they not line up with a town mindset? Let's give some examples. Because I've pretty much been on the defensive most of the game while trying to give my reads on others.

p.edit OH MY GOOOOOD RECK MADE A POST ABOUT A JOKE HE SAID OMFG WHY ISN'T HE DEAD YET OMFG
take some fucking midol

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I'm not milking shit, I just feel like stepping out of the way and letting other people lead here is probably wise considering I was wrong on both scum flips so far. Though I was at least correct in my townreads on Zito/cat.

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^ That is pro-town behavior. Anti-town behavior would be going, "HURR DURR I AM PLUMBER HAND ME SCALPEL FOR BRAIN SURGERY"

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any of the people that are town in the reads list i just fucking posted minus you

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Flameaxe

: BROCHAT. I could possibly see myself getting rolled by BBM scum slipping into my blindspot by broing out with me, but I have nothing to go on with that other than blind paranoia.

mykonian

: Probably scum. Called him scum earlier for whatever the fuck. Fueled the ckd/mollie nonsense on me by saying he'd vote me, but

not for the reasons they are voting me

, which absolves him of the absolute braindead stupidity ckd/mollie are pushing without providing any content.

pirate mollie

: I see no universe in which mollie, as scum, is this absolutely pants-on-head. The constant waffling and pushing of me with no reasoning or context other than "lolgut" and "you're bad at this game" does not make sense coming from scum-mollie, as I feel like she'd be a bit more careful and less

oh god the horror, so bad, like, Lovecraftian levels of ethereal stupidity

.

Kmd4390

: Could see CDB as scum who just made it into my blind spot. I really like the effort of KMD's catchup posts, but this could just be a really strong ::effortpost:: from someone replacing into a scum slot under heavy suspicion.

xRECKONERx

: Really, blatantly, obviously town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably very bad at this game? Like worse than me. That's saying a lot.

Davsto

: I gave a bit of a ramble earlier about why Davsto struck me as town and I stand by it, though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't freaking out a bit that I've been so wrong this game that I derailed a wagon on Davsto-scum... but it went from Dav to Espeonage, so I don't think scum would counterwagon a stronger player.

Nexus

: Done a whole lot of nothing, but the disengagement doesn't make sense in my head if Nexus is scum, because he would be pretty engaged with his scumbuddies in selecting kills. He'd also be one of the last scum left, so his dangerous lurker play seems less likely in that situation.

notscience

: Poooooossibly scum? I dunno. I have no real impression of notscience this far into the game and that kind of scares me. Maybe I'm subconsciously skimming his posts because my brain is picking up on scumwaves or something.

curiouskarmadog

: Waffling on me seems...not awful. Backing down from a scum push on me due to the Espe claim seems like the town thing to do, like he legit believed I was scum then was presented with strong evidence to the contrary and was like "oh uh maybe not".

Starbuck

: It felt icky when she was subtly positioning herself to jump on me by slowly "coming around" based on very little, but I *really* liked Starbuck's early game catchup posts and they screamed SB-town to me.

spiffeh

: IDFK man. Town? Probably town.

scotmany12

: If BBM is town, I think scot might be scum. Scot is tryharding and that doesn't make sense to me coming from scot, unless he's scum and wants to roll people? This is purely conjecture.

Bins

: Had a similar reaction to the Espe claim as I did, probably town? But some earlier word choices gave me the slight heebie jeebies

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can you not read?

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i didnt say i was listening to anyone in particular. i said im trying to stay out of the way and let others figure it out because clearly ive been wrong & making a mess of it

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it's like you don't read the posts you're responding to, it's truly mind-boggling

"you have no right to criticize others" oh okay, are you giving me a free pass not to scumhunt?

take your "WAHHHH UR NOT DOIN NETHING!!!!" cries and shove 'em. ive defended myself, ive tried to reach an understanding position with you, and ive given my reads/reasons for reading people. that's not "nothing", so piss off

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i cant wait to never play w/ you again after this and have this be the touchstone game for me going HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST TIME I PLAYED WITH MOLLIE literally forever

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ill say "no" so i dont get b&

[xRECKONERx]

you're WRONG mollie

you're fucking WRONG and you're falling into confirmation bias and it's PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF

you're just fucking wrong. and you are using any stupid fucking thing you want to justify your bullshit fucking position and you're WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG WRONG WRONG.

"RECK MADE A JOKE LYNCH HIM" LIKE ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS MOLLIE? YOU USED A JOKE POST I MADE THAT WAS CLEARLY A JOKE TO PUSH FOR MY LYNCH. you didnt even bother contextualizing it, you just fucking quoted and it went OMG MAKE HIM DEAD. like what the fuck is that horse shit?

you're WRONG AND WRONG AND WRONG AND STUBBORN and it's making me want to pull out my teeth. guess what? THIS IS TOWN ME. so your continual insistence of THIS ISN'T TOWN YOU is FUCKING HORSE SHIT BECAUSE THAT IS *EXACTLY* WHAT THIS IS

i am just fucking beyond myself in how to deal with you when you're so brazenly, aggressively, terribly wrong

[xRECKONERx]

fucking CKD is more reasonable than you and HE WANTS TO LYNCH ME PURELY BECAUSE OF NIGHTKILL ANALYSIS

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i also didn't confbias myself and pull out bullshit reasons that were OBJECTIVELY TERRIBLE against you and even though you pissed me the fuck off, i was able to sit back and be ::SHOCKINGOMG:: rational about it and see that you were town even through your horseshit

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YOU MOST CERTAINLY PULLED OUT BULLSHIT REASONS AND YOU WERE NOT BEING RATIONAL

HOW WAS WHAT I SAID WAS HORSESHIT WHEN I WAS TELLING YOU THAT I WAS TOWN AND SC/MATTY WAS SCUM OMFUCKINGG I WAS RIGHT LOOK AT THAT WHY DONCHA.

being right doesn't make you obvtown

i only wish you could see the inverse of that was true as well

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This I can dig.

VOTE: notscience

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She's said variations of "Reck isn't this bad" and "gut", but that's about it. She has briefly flirted with the idea of giving actual reasons but then backed down or gave something flimsy like "your vote didn't look town" and when I try to prod it further and say, "How wasn't it town? What didn't look town about it? What would you say a town vote looks like?" she just stops responding.

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I'm attempting to find middle ground so we can reach an agreement and put this behind us, rather than it popping back up again every 10 pages or so... my repetition and demands for answers come from a place of wanting to make actual progress instead of playing ring around the rosey. I'm not simply shouting at mollie YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG LALALALALALALA for the sake of it. I'm shouting at mollie to try and wake her up because, while I think her flip-flopping and continual aggression towards me is unlikely to come from mollie-town, I'm having trouble seeing why mollie-town would absolutely refuse to step back and reconsider her read on me. ESPECIALLY when I did the same to her. And I believe if she honestly and truly did that, she'd HAVE to see I'm town... which, again, brings us back to me continually trying to peel back the layers and figure out why she's so adamant about me and provide her with enough to show her she's wrong.

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Sometimes, town can be wrong, and it doesn't bother me.

Sometimes, town can be wrong, and just ignore each other.

But sometimes, town can be wrong, and it's crucial/imperative to town's success that the falsehood is corrected. That's where I'm at right now.

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Interesting because that first post suggested that you think she's scum because she's not stepping back, so that wanting to correct town-her surprised me. Maybe I just assumed you scum read her because of the way you guys are fighting. What makes you town read her?

I believe I said it above -- I don't think mollie would be this dogged about reading me incorrectly. It may fall a bit into the "too scummy to be scum" fallacy for me, but I really don't see scum mollie being so hawkish about that.

[xRECKONERx]

Can you provide an actual reason for wanting to lynch me? You've stated you don't really agree with mollie's meta reasoning, or CKD's NKA reasoning, so what is it?

[xRECKONERx]

gut.

Alright, you can fuck off, too.

Welcome to what I call the "typical attack on Reck in the past year or two" where people want to lynch me but miraculously, nobody can give a single reason why! It's astounding. Mollie should be hyper aware of this, given how The Reckoning III invitational went down.

[xRECKONERx]

Actually...

VOTE: mykonian

This isn't OMGUS. I find his assertion that he didn't agree with mollie & ckd's pushes on me (for gut/meta and nightkill analysis) odd, considering his coup de grace is "gut". Not to mention, he is "fine" with CKD's claim, but asks permission from the ethereal town to lynch me. "Can we lynch Reck now?" followed up by "gut" as a reason just does not track -- if this was a lynch he really wanted and was openly pushing due to actual belief I'm scum... if he really wanted to convert others to the cause... he'd have reasons. But, he doesn't, so he doesn't.

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Welcome to what I call the "typical attack on Reck in the past year or two" where people want to lynch me but miraculously, nobody can give a single reason why!

This is bullshit. Reasons have been given to reck, but he doesn't consider them "real". I'm actually the first one who simply doesn't bother giving one.

This needs lynching.

The reasons that have been given to me by ckd are literally just nightkill analysis.

Mollie has churned up some combination of the "ur bad" and "OMG META" argument a hundred times, so I don't quite consider those to be legitimate considering how easily they're proven false? The only other thing, from my knowledge, that mollie has said is that she didn't think my vote early game came from a town perspective, and when pressed on it, she dropped it entirely.

Am I to understand you just don't have reasons, then?

Myko's push on me feels like he smells blood in the water and wants to capitalize. Even the post I've quoted here reeks of "passionate" pushing against me while "calling me out" but in the end it is devoid of substance and is nothing short of trying to jump on the bandwagon.

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Okay, gimme some "serious" reasons since you've put out approximately zero

[xRECKONERx]

gut.

Alright, you can fuck off, too.

Welcome to what I call the "typical attack on Reck in the past year or two" where people want to lynch me but miraculously, nobody can give a single reason why! It's astounding. Mollie should be hyper aware of this, given how The Reckoning III invitational went down.

wtf no1 even attacked you in the reckoning3 you were a gigantic asshole to me in that game much like you are being now. and you are expecting me to townread when you tried to lynch me off of bullshit reasons on d1.

you can fuck off with that appeal

Are you fucking kidding me? Go re-read that game. I was under attack for a large portion of the game and was put on the defensive all the way until like Day fucking Four, where people were STILL thinking about lynching me until I pulled out a case on Pie and rammed it through. You have very selective memory. I even made a post in that game on how many people were attacking me and had no reasons:

Spoiler:

This is exactly the shit I'm talking about.

Here's a log of the people who have attacked me this game or said I'm scum:

- Triforce: "One of Reck/Fate could be scum?" No reasons, no points, no foundation for that belief.
- Fate: has screamed for my lynch due to "lack of enthusiasm". That's it. He has yet to explain how that makes me scum.
- Eleven: "Don't actually believe Reck's claim". Ok... why? Nope. Nothing.
- UT: "I don't like your reaction to Fate catching your scum meta". Tried to engage, he dodged the question and is just putting it off until tomorrow
- Axxle: "Your reads are wishy washy" "How?" "Like this." "No I explained that context" "Oh ok unvote"
- Nuwen: "Reck is scum" ???? Just mentioned off hand with no fucking context or reasoning
- Eleven: "I could totally see Reck being an ActionDan buddy" ??? No reasons or points to be made just idle speculation
- Gamma: implies that if Fate dies overnight he'll go after me the next day. that's it
- Cheery Dog: "we're lynching Reck tomorrow" ??? no other post or anything even hints at a scum read on me

I think I missed a bunch but you see my point. Two people have presented any reasons for me being scum whatsoever: Axxle and UT. Axxle, upon actually engaging on that point, realized it was not valid and backed down. UT just plugged his ears and went LALALALALALA and ran away from it all. Everyone else has just idly tossed out a scum read or expressed willingness to lynch me with no reasons at all. I have no interest in or ability to defend myself against a wagon built on literally nothing tangible. And this happens over...and over...and over...and over again. On the rare chance I get a town willing to engage me and present reasons, I'm more than happy to engage and fight and discuss. But when most games go like this one, with a wagon built on nothing? Fuck it, why bother, they're clearly not.

So.....let's try that again, shall we?

[xRECKONERx]

gut.

Alright, you can fuck off, too.

Welcome to what I call the "typical attack on Reck in the past year or two" where people want to lynch me but miraculously, nobody can give a single reason why! It's astounding. Mollie should be hyper aware of this, given how The Reckoning III invitational went down.

wtf no1 even attacked you in the reckoning3 you were a gigantic asshole to me in that game much like you are being now. and you are expecting me to townread when you tried to lynch me off of bullshit reasons on d1.

you can fuck off with that appeal

Are you fucking kidding me? Go re-read that game. I was under attack for a large portion of the game and was put on the defensive all the way until like Day fucking Four, where people were STILL thinking about lynching me until I pulled out a case on Pie and rammed it through. You have very selective memory. I even made a post in that game on how many people were attacking me and had no reasons:

Spoiler:

This is exactly the shit I'm talking about.

Here's a log of the people who have attacked me this game or said I'm scum:

- Triforce: "One of Reck/Fate could be scum?" No reasons, no points, no foundation for that belief.
- Fate: has screamed for my lynch due to "lack of enthusiasm". That's it. He has yet to explain how that makes me scum.
- Eleven: "Don't actually believe Reck's claim". Ok... why? Nope. Nothing.
- UT: "I don't like your reaction to Fate catching your scum meta". Tried to engage, he dodged the question and is just putting it off until tomorrow
- Axxle: "Your reads are wishy washy" "How?" "Like this." "No I explained that context" "Oh ok unvote"
- Nuwen: "Reck is scum" ???? Just mentioned off hand with no fucking context or reasoning
- Eleven: "I could totally see Reck being an ActionDan buddy" ??? No reasons or points to be made just idle speculation
- Gamma: implies that if Fate dies overnight he'll go after me the next day. that's it
- Cheery Dog: "we're lynching Reck tomorrow" ??? no other post or anything even hints at a scum read on me

I think I missed a bunch but you see my point. Two people have presented any reasons for me being scum whatsoever: Axxle and UT. Axxle, upon actually engaging on that point, realized it was not valid and backed down. UT just plugged his ears and went LALALALALALA and ran away from it all. Everyone else has just idly tossed out a scum read or expressed willingness to lynch me with no reasons at all. I have no interest in or ability to defend myself against a wagon built on literally nothing tangible. And this happens over...and over...and over...and over again. On the rare chance I get a town willing to engage me and present reasons, I'm more than happy to engage and fight and discuss. But when most games go like this one, with a wagon built on nothing? Fuck it, why bother, they're clearly not.

So.....let's try that again, shall we?

those are not attacks those are gentle nudges.

like srsly compare that with what said to me in that game and what has been said to me in this 1. they are not even remotely equal so forgive me i feel no pity for you and I still think you might be scum cos it easier to believe that you are scum rather than a flat out asshole to me in this game for no goddamn reason.

This has nothing to do with you? I wasn't talking about you? Why do I fucking care what has been said to you in this game? the entire context was "HEY THIS SHIT HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME WITH PEOPLE PUSHING ME WITHOUT EXPLAINING WHY" and you come in going "but reeeeeck #AllLivesMatter"

[xRECKONERx]

Welcome to what I call the "typical attack on Reck in the past year or two" where people want to lynch me but miraculously, nobody can give a single reason why!

This is bullshit. Reasons have been given to reck, but he doesn't consider them "real".

I'm actually the first one who simply doesn't bother giving one.

This needs lynching.

That's probably why he called out you specifically and voted you.

Yeah, duh. That's not the fun part. I've been here for a while now. But it took a while for reck to find someone he could make an aggressive move on to get the attention away from him. Can't do that with mollie or CKD at this moment. They are town and people know it.

So the interesting bit isn't that reck votes me, that's w/e, was going to happen. It's that he tried arguing with mollie and ckd before.

That's all pretty cute, really.

I mean, I can continue that thought, but you judge. Given that pattern, Reck's been attacking his attackers consistently, but the focus isn't there. A town player who sat back and analysed their wagon wouldn't end up on ckd (weird reason) or mollie (who's town anyway). I've been on reck since the start of this day. Don't you think it's funny only now he ends up with me?

Reck's been retaliating, but at the same time hasn't been invested in this game. He's scum here.

Yes, myko -- I grappled with people who thought I was scum and provided poor reasoning to try and get them to see their poor reasoning, and in the end, concluded they were probably town. You, however, have given me nothing to grapple with and have been far less vocal and insistent on lynching me as mollie & CKD have been -- and it was only after I sorted them and you were still pushing that I chose to pay attention to you.

I'm also not sure what you're talking about, because I'm not on CKD or mollie? I haven't been on mollie since D1.

[xRECKONERx]

Starbuck: It felt icky when she was subtly positioning herself to jump on me by slowly "coming around" based on very little, but I *really* liked Starbuck's early game catchup posts and they screamed SB-town to me.

Do you know what's doing that for me? Your absences. I mean, I've had my few days throughout the game where I have been busy, but you're like Beetlejuice in this game. You only seem to pop up when conversation turns to you.

I mean that's how I operate, basically, until the games die down a bit. I sorta skim and if I see my name I respond to stuff. It's just how I roll now.

[xRECKONERx]

It's quite different from the past Reck that I know because most of this game, I'm like "Oh! Will's town. He's so town." And then just something weird happens like Espy's claim and your unvote, I can see it from a town perspective but not from the Reck that I know perspective. If that makes any sense?

but you do not have to voooote me, please!
read me like it's 2010 and i'm still the same guy
it's something i don't want or need,
but you treat me like a scumbag and that feels so mean.
no you didn't have to hit that blow!
tell the game that im scum because you dont really know me!
i guess that's just the way it goes,
i am not the reckoner you used to know
RECKONER! (you used to know)
i am not the reckoner you used to know

[xRECKONERx]

another minute has passed by where RECK DID NOT VOTE KMD

calm your bitchtits, ive been away all morning

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: davsto

what the *FUCK*

[xRECKONERx]

vote KMD.

I do not believe you

why

[xRECKONERx]

because I like to find out reasons and motivations

[xRECKONERx]

because I like to find out reasons and motivations

I have already stated my issues with the claim. so what OTHER answer are you looking for?

You stated you didn't like the cop claim portion AFTER you said you didn't believe him, which indicates (to me) that you went back and checked to find a reason you didn't believe the claim, not that you didn't believe him for some strong conviction up front.

[xRECKONERx]

how the fuck was that rolefishing to see if you were a doctor? what the FUCK were you smoking?

I thought something changed because you quoted KMD'S UPDATED CLAIM POST and said I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. Why would I look back at what your reasoning was PRIOR TO THE UPDATED CLAIM FROM KMD?

[xRECKONERx]

he stated he had a one shot doc power.
I say I didnt believe him.
you ask "why" AFTER I clearly have stated why I had an issues with the claim. what are you reasons or motivations are you really looking for? calling bullshit on this question. You were trying to draw out a role.

you're actually an insane person, jesus fucking christ, in no way or shape or form does that read like rolefishing

here's how i saw it

~a bunch of shit is posted regarding the hypothetical claim~
Kmd: here's my full claim
You: I don't believe you
Me: *ignoring everything that came before the fullclaim because it's no longer hypothetical* Why don't you believe the claim?
You: OMG READ ALL THE SHIT I SAID ABOUT THE HYPOTHETICAL CLAIM STOP ROLEFISHING

[xRECKONERx]

I don't use the wiki. Look how outdated my own page is lol. I think my last update was 3 or 4 years ago.

hello this is the scummiest part of anything that kmd has done w/r/t the claim

this is a weak defense against a weak reason and also probably bullshit and also just reeks of "DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND"

[xRECKONERx]

I don't doubt that it's true. I doubt that it's relevant. It seems like you thought you could jump into an "AHA" moment.

[xRECKONERx]

You could just ignore it? Or point out how dumb the argument is? Trying to make yourself look good by going I HAVEN'T EVEN UPDATED MY WIKI is shady.

[xRECKONERx]

Because you're not attacking the argument. It's almost like you're giving the argument validity by ignoring the crux of it and going, "But, I don't even check the wiki! I can prove it!" It felt like over-explaining. It felt like you were scared of the attack and went above and beyond to try and defend yourself from something that shouldn't hold any water anyway. "I don't even check the wiki," would've been enough... adding on the bit about how you haven't updated your wiki in years as if that somehow proves it just felt like overkill.

[xRECKONERx]

Because you're not attacking the argument. It's almost like you're giving the argument validity by ignoring the crux of it and going, "But, I don't even check the wiki! I can prove it!" It felt like over-explaining. It felt like you were scared of the attack and went above and beyond to try and defend yourself from something that shouldn't hold any water anyway. "I don't even check the wiki," would've been enough... adding on the bit about how you haven't updated your wiki in years as if that somehow proves it just felt like overkill.

can you plz stop pissing in the wind and lynch kmd now tia

Yeah, sure.

VOTE: Kmd

[xRECKONERx]

Question: do you think KMD's claimed inno on Bins was scum trying to clear their partner or scum trying to look townie for saving a town (and potentially incriminating that town when the scum dies)?

Because it's one of the two and honestly I'm not sure.

Part of my gut reaction is that he saw how well it worked to clear me as town when Espe did it as he was going down so he did something similar to his buddy to try and buy the same town cred, but part of me also says that's SUPER fucking risky when there are three dead scum.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: mykonian

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: mykonian

it would be easier if I was still scum reading you.

why mykon? sell me.

myko pretty much nailed it

his shenanigans at end of day yesterday w/r/t me felt like tactical scum counterwagon tech

[xRECKONERx]

vla

[xRECKONERx]

why can myko only be sk and not maf

[xRECKONERx]

im moderately around but also having to catch up @ work from holiday shit and am just in the weeds

[xRECKONERx]

why can myko only be sk and not maf

@scot

[xRECKONERx]

just ===[] honestly

[xRECKONERx]

bored

[xRECKONERx]

nope i just read the past few pages and it's just like... i want to lynch myko. im getting sorta heebed out from BBM being so MIA but im also pretty MIA so i cant really talk there

what I don't understand, though, is why you and mollie are still alive if you're loverized?

[xRECKONERx]

mollie is never getting lynched at this rate. you two being alive is really fucking w/ me

[xRECKONERx]

oh jesus

[xRECKONERx]

Get off my jock

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: titus

sheeping mollie openly

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: titus

sheeping mollie openly

Awww, dammit, you did.

It's too late in this fucking game to be sheeping. What your thoughts?

my thoughts are that I've been wrong on two scum so far and was also wrong about myko so I'm pretty deflated rn and mollie has been pretty on point

[xRECKONERx]

mollie tbh I did feel like your wall response to Starbuck saying she was being emotional felt ... overreactionary. I didn't get that vibe at all.

I could probably lynch notscience if I had to, nothing particularly is saying he's town. I will say I'm paranoid of BBM but then again I'm also in a minor freakout over the lovers still being alive if you're both town, because if that shit lasts until LYLO or near-LYLO then we're in a really shitty situation.

[xRECKONERx]

tell me more about how familiar you are with Porochaz as a mod since you've been on the site less than 6 months

[xRECKONERx]

vla for businessy things

[xRECKONERx]

Jesus, only 5 left? Christ.

me, Davsto, scot, Nexus, Nero

gr8

I've had scumreads on like literally all of you at one point. Except maybe scot. But now I'm paranoid of scot too. siiiiigh

[xRECKONERx]

scot why wouldn't you just let nexus defend himself

[xRECKONERx]

real talk tho, are there 1 or 2 scum left

[xRECKONERx]

guys i have literally no fucking idea

[xRECKONERx]

MattP

- 9 -

Marquis

,

catboi

,

spiffeh

, Bins, scotmany,

notscience

,

CDB

,

Papa Zito

,

pirate mollie

,

MattP

mykonian

- 3 - xRECKONERx,

Espeonage

,

curiouskarmadog

notscience

- 3 - Nexus, Davsto,

Flameaxe

pirate mollie

- 2 -

Starbuck

,

mykonian

Espeonage

(9): Davsto,

Papa Zito

,

Starbuck

, scotmany12, xRECKONERx,

catboi

,

pirate mollie

,

mykonian

,

Flameaxe

CDB

(3):

notscience

,

spiffeh

,

curiouskarmadog

scotmany12

(1):

CDB

Starbuck

(1):

Espeonage

Davsto

(1): Bins

Not Voting (1): Nexus

KMD

(7):

notscience

,

spiffeh

, Davsto,

curiouskarmadog

, xRECKONERx,

pirate mollie

,

Starbuck

notscience

(2): scotmany12,

Flameaxe

Nexus

(1): Bins

xRECKONERx

(1):

mykonian

Bins

(1): Nexus

Not Voting (2):

KMD

mykonian

(5):

notscience

, xRECKONERx,

Starbuck

,

pirate mollie

,

Flameaxe

,

mykonian

Bins

(3): scotmany12, Davsto, Nexus

Starbuck

(1):

curiouskarmadog

Not Voting

(1): Bins

[xRECKONERx]

sweet, all I've gleaned is that I'm town

[xRECKONERx]

I FEEL LIKE Espeonage was probably bussed. Which would mean Davsto or scot.

[xRECKONERx]

Ugh I just don't know that I see Davsto as scum going "okay, I'm already getting heat, let me start a wagon on my buddy"

[xRECKONERx]

Uhhhh not really, no

I'm not townreading anyone atm which is whyt his is balls

[xRECKONERx]

I really read Davsto as scum earlier but now I'm paranoid that I fell for AtE.

[xRECKONERx]

*read Davsto as town

[xRECKONERx]

im a vt
adrian finley

im planning to propose to my girlfriend in paris or some shit

[xRECKONERx]

Hmmm. Davsto makes a really good point, actually.

We're probably in 3:1:1 right now. Ugh. I could literally see anyone being either thing which to me says I have a 50/50 shot of being correct.

I sort of want to lynch Nexus in my gut. It rumbles. It hungers. But I can't shake this feeling that scot has just fleeced everybody.

[xRECKONERx]

i did forget about the nexus losing his vote thing

Hmm. Nero or scot. ugh i wanna vote scot is that wrong? im wrong. probably.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: nero cain

Bins didn't give me warm and fuzzies and if I'm just hammered the game away into a kingmaker scenario, I'm sorry

[xRECKONERx]

Ugh, that was heartbreaking. Should've listened to my gut instead of second guessing myself. Things went completely off the rails after the first three scum lynches.

[xRECKONERx]

reck wtf were you doing this game

Regretting signing up for a large theme. I always forget how much I suck at large themes.

Scot, A+ game.

[xRECKONERx]

also ha ha ha ha ha mollie

ha ha ha ha

[xRECKONERx]

Didn't I say Nexus was scum.

If you would have lynched him, that mighta worked.

please shut up

[xRECKONERx]

also yeah: setup was unfortunate how scum sided it was, but I can't say this doesn't feel deserved. it just felt like town had no real power roles.