UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

[RolePlay25]

Well clearly Sharky is not a thinker because he didn't think his way out of

THE MOST EASY TO WORK AROUND POST RESTRICTION IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND

I mean nevermind he seems generally competent in his other games and shit.

For fucks sake he's obviously scum

[RolePlay25]

Muffin, put aside the magical superpowers and LOOK at what he's posted.

It's shit. It's scummy and shitty and terrible.

Look at that post restriction claim. It's scummy and shitty and terrible.

Everyone is on board with getting magical superpowers. Sure! I'd love to be a bulletproof vigilante daycop with laser eyes too, but it ain't gonna happen that way.

[RolePlay25]

Errant: which means his role is as described, and he messed up his dream. That means you don't want to save the scum the trouble of killing

what is likely the strongest role in the game

.

I mean think about this for a second. The second claim in the game, the first truly forced one. And it just happens to be "the strongest possible role"? Coincidentally, we picked that role out, we wagonned a random townie and they were superman? And he didn't display the least little curiosity how to use an entirely open ended and absurdly strong role before we poked him? Or how to get around a completely crippling post restriction that can be idly bypassed just by mentioning it in thread?

These aren't things that happened.

[RolePlay25]

Muffin, put aside the magical superpowers and LOOK at what he's posted.

It's shit. It's scummy and shitty and terrible.

Look at that post restriction claim. It's scummy and shitty and terrible.

so i'm going through his iso and i agree that the way he's handled his role this game has not looked great and i think the way he's handled his claim in general has not been great.

but if i ignore the role stuff, then i don't think his play has been all that bad. not immaculate, but not bad

is there a case somewhere that doesn't reference the dream/post restriction stuff?

What do you mean it's not terrible? Lets go over everything that can be called scumhunting in his ISO.

Jeanne v 3dice isn't TvT, so as soon as I figure out what Jeanne is doing I'll be able to decide which one I'd rather go after. That will probably shed light on scumbuddies as well.

No followup

@Roleplay Could you show me where Kling/tn/whoever is hunting for third party scum but not mafia?

If I'm correct, those are all roles that benefit from being lynched. Mafia does not benefit from being lynched. Kling made the comment because of the way Diamond is responding to pressure.

Let me clarify this. Kling is not suggesting Diamond might be third party in general. Kling is saying he may be a third party role that benefits from being lynched, like Jester. It's because of the way he acts under the smallest amounts of pressure.

This is just chatting idly apparently, since nothing ever comes of this and there's no followup.

Itlepip's town, I'm interested in the Cerb development but I'll admit I haven't looked into Cerb too closely thus far prior to this.

No followup

Like man, I get it you don't always follow up on everything you say, because time, because of game flow, because of whatever. But this is literally all he says.

He is better than this.

[RolePlay25]

Oh for fucks sake.

EP SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT

This game is stagnating, pick someone and fire.

[RolePlay25]

Like seriously. People I want to have die today:

Sharky
TN
KlingonCelt
3Dice

Roughly in that order.

The mysterious bullshit on the last few pages is mysterious and terrible, and is fucking pissing me off. Let me make this perfectly clear:

- If you have something relevant, say it
- If you have nothing relevant don't claim

Does EAP feel he's in danger of getting shot?

[RolePlay25]

Ok, who votes we all just keep shit-posting to piss RP off some more? I really like this idea.

I have gotten angry exactly once this game. Everything else is mild irritation at best.

Yes, you are indeed mildly irritating. Do you want a gold star?

[RolePlay25]

Like see, this is why stagnation is bad. Game has ground to a halt, no one really fears death, no one really has a motive to scumhunt, no one really has the tools to scumhunt because everything has ground into a frozen state. Much more of this and we'll all lose the narrative and stupid stuff will happen.

I nominate a pool of KC, TN, Sharky, 3Dice as people I'd be actively happy to have die, and EAP as someone who would not sadden me with his passing. Anyone have a compelling reason (OUTSIDE OF MAGICAL ROLE SHIT) to save someone in there or shoot someone outside of that?

[RolePlay25]

Oh hey, let me check something.

Edgar Allen Pro are you post restricted?

[RolePlay25]

Like, I'll even write something about tits in character if you answer.

[RolePlay25]

In the field, an agent should be aware of the indigenous wildlife. It offers both risks and opportunities.

One such opportunity are tits. Their distinctive call offers a method of communication that can bypass radio jamming and cell phone blocking, and their communicative nature means that the calls are frequent and common. Specially coded intervals of bird calls allow one to communicate with fellow agents - although complex messages are impossible, signal positioning and simple commands are easy to pass. However, many agents have run afoul of trouble this way. The tit is a social bird, and isolate tit calls are extremely suspicious. In addition they are not nocturnal, meaning if one hears a call at night, one should immediately suspect enemy action.

Like all such imitations it is possibly effective, but potentially overused. Use only in the right circumstances, and be wary.

[RolePlay25]

Anyway, unless EAP/Sharky/KC are all scum on an insane day 1 gambit, then Sharky is actually restricted. Especially since EAP claims to know if anyone targeted him, so the bad stuff would have happened to KC if she used ~powers~. Which makes me feel... I dunno. Doubt it's a post restriction masonry.

To be clear, your role PM forbids you from discussing your role PM? Because mine does nothing of the sort, and Dramonic was pretty clear that it's not generally off limits to do so.

[RolePlay25]

He wants to die. I say let him.

[RolePlay25]

Shoot TN

what a fucking shitshow

Since you and Sharky are copilots on the shit boat, I am more than a little annoyed by this comment.

Sharky gave the "desperado" to you, his apparent greatest scumread. The resulting clown fiesta can be boiled down to you two apparently not knowing how the fuck anything worked and communicating like shit with us.

[RolePlay25]

Shooting sharky is dumb if he honestly thinks sharky is town and that his power he got was a normal vig shot.

Shooting sharky is GREAT if he has a desperado shot, but he doesn't believe he does.

Also, Errant, you never gave us your thoughts on the rest of the game, in case this shot does result in your death.

If it does result in his death he's either lying scum or... lets not get in trouble with the mod.

In either case, I find I can't care.

[RolePlay25]

Like the breakdown is really 80% sharky, 20% you.

And sharky is now the "man on the milk carton", great surprise.

[RolePlay25]

Looks like tn is scum.

The surprise.

[RolePlay25]

Okay, so where was my list?

[RolePlay25]

A quick overview of people who need to die:

TN5421 ("im tired of playing games with a bunch of retards")

KlingonCelt

Sharky

Gonna roll with this, so hard.

Vote: KlingonCelt

How YOU doin

[RolePlay25]

Note: The logic is 100% correct. Sharky and EP is STILL a 1v1 scenario, one of the two players is still likely to be scum.

EP is not confirmed town by any stretch

But if it's EP and not sharky, well, scum are gonna have to shoot Sharky sooner or later, and frankly shooting scum gets you through day 1 in my book ^_^

[RolePlay25]

Note: If anyone still thinks Jeanne is on a scumteam with TN... wat

[RolePlay25]

So let me get this straight...

You see that my logic is indeed correct...

You see that the mod confirmed not bastard

You also see that he would be good with shooting a teammate

And you're STILL voting me? Jesus Christ, what more do you want?

Also this guy raises an utterly excellent point. His post was literally:

"I agree with everything DiamondSentinel said. Vote: Diamond Sentinel"

[RolePlay25]

By the by - if anyone ever says "just kill me now" JUST KILL THEM NOW

It is NOT a town tell, it is a scum "I have no energy to mount a defense against allegations that I know are true"

[RolePlay25]

I don't wanna get shot by scum dude

Man who gives a fuck if scum shoot you? They're gonna pick someone. It's a fucking compliment. They think your play is so awesome they shot you to get you out of the way. Getting shot day 1 without claiming is one of the highest marks of honor you can get in a mafia game.

Getting mislynched by town, on the other hand, is pretty bad. SO FUCKING DO THINGS TO LET ME KNOW YOU'RE TOWN

Unless you're scum. Then keep right on sailing, buddy boy.

[RolePlay25]

For the love of fuck, someone cop me before they shoot me

Oh yeah. NO ONE COP INVESTIGATE ANYONE WHO ASKS TO BE INVESTIGATED BY A COP.

THIS GOES DOUBLE IN A GAME WITH KNOWN GODFATHERS

This might be the scummiest thing EAP has done, actually.

[RolePlay25]

Like no matter your sanity, after asking to be cop investigated cop investigations tell you NOTHING about EAP.

To the point where I'm seriously considering voting him, because his play is really godfatherish

[RolePlay25]

Are you literally requesting to be lynched?

[RolePlay25]

Because the last person who did that was TN5421. Don't think I think it's a town tell.

[RolePlay25]

We know it was Desperado because taking a specifically said Desperado and turning it into a Vigilante shot would be bastard, and again, this isn't bastard.

I agree 100%, but sharky could still be lying.

Tomorrow either Sharky is dead (which gives us a lot of information) or we get to see another dream to another player, which again gives us a lot of information.

TBH his role feels a little third party-ish.

[RolePlay25]

Well whatever. We have a claimed fruit vendor. Any reason not to vend fruit to the lush?

My vote is still on KlingonCelt btw.

[RolePlay25]

Can you explain your beef with the Klingons?

KlingonCelt

Once again, I ask you to review the ISO: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This is not the ISO of a town player. Outside of rolefishing, and assuming that someone wasn't scum, he um... discussed mafia theory. And rolefished harder. And discussed mafia theory.

There isn't too much to discuss because he's actually doing literally nothing. And none of it's town.

Since then she's voted me, called me an idiot, and said she has ~mysterious information~

And yep, that's it. In case you think calling people names is a sign of a frustrated townie, I direct you towards:

im tired of playing games with a bunch of retards that never state their reasons for doing anything ever
if thats what this game is going to be then ill just replace out before new years
Also I don't NEED to ask for the people that reasoned their votes for reasons, as they posted them.

That thing he did where he complained about personal attacks while also being super comfortable with making personal attacks? Yeah, that was a huge scumtell by the by. He was looking to deflect pressure by using Dramonic.

[RolePlay25]

Goddamn it I was waiting for him to respond before I said anything.

But yes on the list of things that aren't town power roles, handing out unlimited use inventions is definitely one of them. That goes beyond "strongest town power role" and goes to "one of the strongest roles I've ever heard of". I mean imagine handing someone an unlimited bulletproof vest. On like a mason or something.

OTOH, I do NOT think it is a reason to lynch EP today. I'll go into more later. Can you accept that?

[RolePlay25]

Apparently the gun is multishot, Titus.

And I disagree with you in the strongest possible terms.

It's time to lynch on play, not on claims.

[RolePlay25]

Okay, this is super testable. And unless Sharky accidentally targeted the day-killing Serial Killer with his power, if it tests then sharky hands out unlimited use power roles.

So yeah, he's not town and I'm not lynching them. Most likely explanation, EP? He can blow up his inventions any time he wants, killing you.

[RolePlay25]

But we'd super duper notice that and kill him, so relax, probably.

[RolePlay25]

Huh I wonder if he can do it at any time and is either bulletproof or immune to his own inventions.

Well now I'm in the weeds of speculation.

[RolePlay25]

Errant, did you ask those questions I mentioned earlier? If you have more shots....might as well find out what you're shooting.

CERBERUS

You are now very far into Day 1. I will ask this flat out: are you vote restricted in some way?

Because we are way past the point where this sort of theory talk is what we should be focused on.

My low hanging fruit trees have a pretty juicy target so far.

Oh, I should probably clarify that Im not necessarily sold about KC, but there could be merit. Titus, why aren't you pushing KC for their lack of "fire" this game?

What do you think about this?

[RolePlay25]

Ugh, I was going to talk to LH, but then I remembered they're super town and there's something that caught my eye, and it's now time to circle back to.

Also, tn is town. So's Shiro. And Jeanne is, too.

3dice is probably scum.

MASTINA GET DOWN HERE
I KNOW YOU
YOU HATE BUSSING
YOU LIKE THREES
YOU LIKE THE GAME UNDER YOUR CONTROL

BUT THIS IS MY PHASE NOW, I CONTROL IT. TONIGHT THEY MIGHT TRY TO TAKE IT FROM ME. SHOOT MY FRIENDS, SHOOT ME, SHOOT THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT.

BUT THAT IS THEN. THIS IS NOW

AND YOU DANCE TO MY TUNE

SHOW ME WHAT FLAVOR I'M GETTING

[RolePlay25]

I'll take Hiplop too.

Don't care.

That particular post ground my gears and it wasn't worth bringing up until TN died.

BUT IT WAS A REALLY BAD READ

CONNECTIONS DAY 1 WORK WHEN YOU HAVE FLIPPED SCUM

[RolePlay25]

Not just bad, ooh, players have bad reads.

No. Like... there was no reason for it. And you never elaborated on it.

[RolePlay25]

You also usually put thought into these.

...And maybe tn and Diamond, then molla and Diamond.

ErrantParabola
zmuffinman
Shiro
Jeanne11

Cerberus v666

DiamondSentinel
BBMolla

<----- What is this? SERIOUSLY

tn5421

<----- What is this? DOUBLE SERIOUSLY

Learned Hand
sharky5x

roleplay25
Klingoncelt
Edgar Allan Pro

Davsto

Elbirn

<----- Your second strongest scum read?

3dicerolling

(Though...even then, maybe not? The Learned Hand tier seems a bit low. )
Ack.
I'm going to eat.
I'll figure something out later.

This'll have to do for now.

[RolePlay25]

We know it was Desperado because taking a specifically said Desperado and turning it into a Vigilante shot would be bastard, and again, this isn't bastard.

Also, DS, important thing. You think EP has a compulsive desperado shot he can use every single day.

Why would you ever vote for him? Even if he is scum, this is a self-correcting problem.

[RolePlay25]

We know it was Desperado because taking a specifically said Desperado and turning it into a Vigilante shot would be bastard, and again, this isn't bastard.

Also, DS, important thing. You think EP has a compulsive desperado shot he can use every single day.

Why would you ever vote for him? Even if he is scum, this is a self-correcting problem.

Because I don't believe it's each day. I think he's still lying, in some form or another.

Then sort it out on a later day. Even if you don't trust him, his utility to the town is far too high to lynch.

There is 16 players, virtually guaranteed at least 3 scum left. What else are your reads.

[RolePlay25]

i still wouldn't be surprised of errant/sharky team

Noooooooppeeeee

This did not happen.

Try again.

[RolePlay25]

Errant/ sharky team isn't unimaginable. And, to those of you saying "inventing a unlimited shot gun can't possibly be a town power! " well....wtf? Do you seriously think it's a scum power? Oh hey D1 I can give my team double kills! Or maybe I'll just give them a regular vig shot in a game not balanced for a vig shot, and use our standard scum redirection/roleblocking type abilities to keep it from hitting us!

Seems as strong for scum as for town. That is, too strong.

Okay, think about it for a second. We didn't get a mafia flavor flip (they weren't the purple mafia or the mafia with the silly hats or something). So most likely it's a 4 man scumteam with third parties (5 is a little absurd). Or at a minimum they don't know if there's third parties.

And the most common third party is serial killer.

So it's really likely that we leave EP alive. He apparently has an unlimited shot gun we want to use. Now, even if the SK is bulletproof, taking a bullet and having nothing happen is one of those events that attracts attention. So the SK is very likely to want to cap EP. And Sharky, because sharky is also a huge threat. So you'd basically be gambling that there isn't an SK for... what reason? Saving Sharky? Instead of letting us hammer him and just assuming none of you will be shot by the SK and move on.

Hell, if that happened FINE. It's not something we should worry about on day 1. It's disgustingly low percentage. Talk to me about it later.

[RolePlay25]

If zmuffin has targeted me, dram hasn't let me know about it yet.

I want to see what happens when this occurs people.

[RolePlay25]

Like I have two of the best analysis players in mafia history.

And they're going on like this.

Man if the scumteam left their dick flapping in the wind WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT DAY 1.

Because the fucking serial killer HAS to. Who is frankly Sharky, 99%, but I don't care. I really don't care.

[RolePlay25]

"Oh no RP, how do you know there's a Serial Killer? You must be the serial killer."

Right, then I'd want to lynch the fuck out of EP and Sharky, save me so much time.

"But what if they have information that there isn't an SK"

We learn that tomorrow, don't we?

Are they seriously your only scum reads Titus?

[RolePlay25]

If zmuffin has targeted me, dram hasn't let me know about it yet.

Mastin and Titus. Hell, Drixx and Hiplop are no slouch.

The quality of content from either hydra is... err... yeah.

Still want KC dead mind you.

[RolePlay25]

Mastin hypnotown read on TN was bizarre, Hiplop's explanation of "I don't know why she does these things" was bizarre, and Mastin buried it in the middle of two other town reads meaning she was deflecting attention but also trying to deflect comment (Jeanne sure, but Shiro? There was a fortress of distraction around that read)

[RolePlay25]

Unvote

KC got a role that confirms her town so decided to play like total fucking shit. Whatever.

Catching up.

[RolePlay25]

People asking to die should die, Cerberus. Do you not remember this principle?

Actually yeah just shoot me I don't want to live in a town that wants Jeanne11 alive.

Hold it tight to your bosom. It is not a town reaction. Remember this - town killing scum is "right". Town killing town is "wrong". People can scream for ages that they can remove the moral weight of one or the other.

That being said, not sure I like this for my vote.

[RolePlay25]

Actually no.

Vote: Davsto

This piece of shit should die.

[RolePlay25]

Worst case scenario we're lynching a voteless who will lose the town the game in LyLo anyway.

Most likely he's one of those stupid secret vote mover roles who can appear to be voting one person while actually voting someone else. Tee hee mystery.

[RolePlay25]

What the hell makes you think this is policy?

[RolePlay25]

Because as far as I can tell this is a lame attempt to deflect attention from why people are voting you

[RolePlay25]

Spoiler:

You want to screw the town over? I can help you.

You've done the screwing up yourself, Jeanne.

You haven't done a single helpful thing. All you've done is yell and scream random crap, doing the following:
confusing everyone

And if you

are

town:
distracted basically everyone from scum
given scum an easy way to hide

Also, what the hell was this?

@Davsto @Elbirn Don't say a word.

I hadn't said anything in ages, why say that?

Fuckit, no-one in this game is gonna get anything productive done if you continue flailing about like this. You've claimed one thing, softclaimed about seventy other things, and I can't see a single town motivation in anything you've said. Hell, you could be a Mass-Cop and I still couldn't care less because, with all the things you are saying, I wouldn't trust you to actually tell us the real results you got.

Basically,
VOTE: Jeanne

Now, you gonna keep making noise now you're dead, or are you going to actually try and help us?

3dice feels sorta similar to the game where he was my scumpartner but I don't know his town game so I'm not gonna do anything on that front.

Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

Talk about going for the easy targets.
VOTE: DiamondSentinel

That post is just... WOW. So ridiculously stupid.

"I have someone who I think is scum, and there's someone else who also thinks that they're scum, but the scummy person is an easy target (even though I think they might be scum) so I'm going to vote the person scumreading them."

Get the fuck out of here.

I never said I scumread 3dice, stop intentionally misinterpreting my posts.

Davsto is NAI from this

I'm Net Annual Income?

He seems to be exclusively targetting people who are more emotional/apt to be mislynched (ie, Jeanne, Diamond)

Only reservation here it that bad vote claim...

Does this sound like policy? Doesn't to me.

[RolePlay25]

I'm voting you because it's easier to fake self-sacrifice than it is to fake scumhunting. And yeah, I'd rather off someone useless than useful day 1, all other factors considered, but I don't think you're fucking town.

[RolePlay25]

Errant shoots davsto tomorrow. No excuses or exceptions made. Solved.

Can we lynch LH now? They're scum. I feel it in my bones.

No.

[RolePlay25]

You know, I hate meta to my bones, but I'll do what it takes to lynch scum, and this guy is scum. Lets take a look at Davsto's recent finished games.

Open 616 (

Scum

)

- Hydra, replaced out, claimed lack of motivation

Prozac's Basic Theme 4 (

Town

)

- Lived to endgame, never mentioned policy lynches. Survived many days. No indication of being policy lynched.

Mini 1717 (

Town

)

- Survived the entire game. Town victory.

Mini 1733 (

Scum

)

- Lynched day 1.

Mini 1732 (

Scum

)

- Lynched day 6.

Micro 549 (

Town

)

- Killed night 4

Mini 1721 (

Town

)

Lynched 2nd (double lynch). First town mislynch.

Man I think I have made my point. This ain't Jeanne11 we're dealing with here. This guy does NOT get mislynched often, there is no HINT of claiming it was a policy lynch in a single ISO of a single one of those games.

This is scum latching onto a convenient argument that worked earlier, but that was a

very

different circumstance. Period.

We are not committing any vigilante shots tomorrow

Burn this into your soul.

- We have no idea EP's alignment still
- We have no idea what sharky's gun will do
- Scum can shoot EP overnight to block the shot
- If scum leave EP alive is his committed target town or scum?
- What if there's an investigation result or 50/50 we need to commit the shot to?

Fuck that noise. Anyone who says that is scummy.

We lynch scum today. 2 dead, I don't care if there's no associative tells, that's awful.

[RolePlay25]

Also I don't believe EAP's claim, but that's an issue for another day. Alignment switches are bastard, so he's not some flavor of recruiter, so him and Muffin can run in a giant circle. At worst MuffinMan is mafia traitor and the two of them just met up or something. Again, by play (not claim) I don't particularly want to lynch Muffin and EAP is... at least worth a pass today.

[RolePlay25]

Can we stop drawing parallels between tn and davsto? They're different people.

So you're hard coming down on the side of Davsto town?

I'd like this on record, giving how appallingly bad the scum position would be if two scum were killed before night 1 even started.

[RolePlay25]

Also, fuck me is RolePlay's selection of meta biased, selective, and in one case even goddamn wrong.

I literally went over the last completed games that I saw in your history, going from top to bottom. If you want me to include the games not yet finished... see site rules.

This is bullshit. You are spouting flailing bullshit here. If you are not, then

show me, using your own post history, how it is biased.

Because right now you are, to me, lying fucking scum.

Can we stop drawing parallels between tn and davsto? They're different people.

So you're hard coming down on the side of Davsto town?

I'd like this on record, giving how appallingly bad the scum position would be if two scum were killed before night 1 even started.

No, I'm hard coming down on the side of bad arguments are bad. The situation is different from tn, AND he's a different player. Now, push him on his lack of scumhuntinf, and I'd be more than happy to go with thar, but the arguments you're giving are bad ones.

Okay, so you agree he hasn't been seriously scumhunting?

Because man, if he's a policy lynch the scum will never nightkill then he is in zero danger and can literally play as hard as he possibly can. There's no power role to protect, there's nothing to do but play your heart out for as long as you possibly can. I've seen a miller get every single member of the scumteam lynched before.

You think this is Davsto in "be all that you can be" mode?

[RolePlay25]

Actually, I Learned Hand can wait for tomorrow. I'd rather lynch this.

VOTE: Diamond why are you talking about how scummy a confTown in?

VOTE: Itlepip

Wait what? Diamond is trying to get an innocent lynched because he got the idea in his head that all roles are negative. Why would town ever do that?

As town, he is trying to cover all his bases in a game that's already proven to be crazy (whole desperado gun thing). As scum, that's an extremely dangerous angle to push.

False IC is not something that could possibly be allowed in this game, but I don't think he's scum for looking at every angle. I think you are scum, for pushing this angle though.

I really like this post.

Because it's really super true

[RolePlay25]

Vi Graythorn will move her vote, but Vi Graythorn will track Davsto during the night.

UNVOTE:

RP will offer some advice on tracking.

DO NOT DO WHAT YOU JUST DID

Scum will never send the person tracked to do the night kill.

Do not track Davsto.

Or do.

But do not declare it.

[RolePlay25]

First, again, that whole post hinges on me claiming I'm a policy lynch because of my play, which is an utter and total lie - I'm a policy lynch because of my role, nothing more. Thus, your post is pushing the agenda that I do not get mislynched often.

First off, 1721, I was the second town mislynch. How you managed to pay enough attention to see that I was the second lynch in a double lynch game but completely get wrong the alignment of the player lynched before me is beyond me.

First time I see you mislynched as town. Glad to see you have time to nitpick grammar though.

yes yes, I have survived many as town, but I have been mislynched early on in several games, see Newbie 1650 or Mini 1726. This guy has totally ignored times when I've been a mislynch. Mini 1727, Large Normal 189.

Not to mention that, even in those towngames, I am often looked down upon as scummy, frequently, spend a lot of the game close to being lynched (see Prozac's Basic Theme in particular here).

But, seriously, since you're insisting on pushing me from a ridiculous angle, stating that I'm not a policy lynch because of my play something something, ignoring the fact that I'm a policy lynch eventually because of my role which I have said time and time again, give me a good fucking reason that I would fakeclaim this as scum.

Are they more recent or less recent than the games I listed?

I'm certain you're not a universal town read (those get shot long before endgame) but I am very certain that you have no reason to believe yourself a policy lynch. Hanging on by the edge of your fingers seems to be a talent you possess extremely well - and as you say yourself. One more day? One more day. One more day. One more day.

Did I say you were fakeclaiming? I said no such thing. I believe your claim, I do not think you are town. Maybe you gain powers if you forfeit your vote. Maybe mysteriously your vote will return at a later date, then there is no reason to "policy lynch" you. Then we shall all go "ah yes, that Davsto was only wanted to be lynched because of a policy lynch, it is too bad that the players who wanted to lynch him are dead". Well not me, because I suppose I shall be dead, but I'm sure the town gets the picture.

So is your vote really and truly gone forever and ever, cross your heart and hope to die?

Because your play is pretty bad on top of that.

[RolePlay25]

I don't think

Indeed.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah.......me and Cerb are anime alliance and he just outed us out.......

Whatever. Don't tell him anything, don't listen to anything he says, track who you think is scummy and might be sent on the night kill.

[RolePlay25]

Sharky5x Dec 19, 09:50pm Jan 01, 02:43pm 2 days 23 hours 68

Can we get a prod on the serial killer?

[RolePlay25]

Are you two going to actually do anything or just keep repeating this?

You're both extremely competent players and I find it hard to believe that this is the best you can do, i.e. nothing.

Sell me on cerb in your next post or claim scum

I am not selling you on Cerb being your buddy.

VOTE: Elbrin

So many lies about Klingon by you both. You both pushed this was scum Klingon in direct contradiction to any town player seeing that game.

Verb's even lying about not having pushed Klingon. Oh wait, he's active lurking and avoiding voting by his self imposed anti-town behavior so he can claim he never pushed it.

You want a fight Elbrin. You v me. Let's go.

Who defended obvtown Klingon? Who had a vote on scum pre desperado shot? Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?

Who pushed town based on lies? Wanted to chain lynch millers?

Fight us.

(I would be voting Cerb but Drixx thinks Cerb isn't that helpful to D3 and says to let Cerb go).

~Titus[/quote]

If it comes down to a fight.

I am on the side of Elbern.

So very easy to tell when a player is town when they're not in your quicktopic. Doubly easy when they're being useless and are likely to ally with you later.

And your read on KC was a fucking hypnotoad read.

[RolePlay25]

Oh FFS great quoting function.

[RolePlay25]

If it comes down to a fight.

I am on the side of Elbern.

So very easy to tell when a player is town when they're not in your quicktopic. Doubly easy when they're being useless and are likely to ally with you later.

And your read on KC was a fucking hypnotoad read.

[RolePlay25]

I'm voting you because it's easier to fake self-sacrifice than it is to fake scumhunting. And yeah, I'd rather off someone useless than useful day 1, all other factors considered, but I don't think you're fucking town.

This. His calling my push as a policy lynch is pretty telling too, I believe. I think he is trying to dismantle the case because "hurr durr policy lynches are bad"

we got two today, boiz

Considering I literally said I should be policy lynched at some point, fuck this, this is misrepresentation at its finest.

I'm dying in this game, but it's by vigilante shot, as simple as that. Me dying by lynch gains basically no info because several votes will be policy. In the same way, killing people by vig gets very little wagon info and the like. Thus, best to kill two birds with one stone and lynch me.

This wagon seems out-of-the-blue, convenient, and opportunistic.

VOTE: Mass Flop

Also, "a trick role"? You don't believe that my vote doesn't count? I'll prove it - when we decide on a lynch today, let me "hammer". If it lynches, go ahead and lynch the shit out of me tomorrow. If it doesn't, go ahead and vig the shit out of me tomorrow, as by request.

Simple enough?

This logic does NOT come from a person who genuinely thinks they should be policy lynched.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I AS SCUM GUN FOR YOU IF YOU COULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO AN AUTOWIN, AS YOU SAY? Trick role as in vote comes back, its gone temporarily, you can disable it whatever, I don't give a fuck. You're scum for reasons outside of that role, but this post here is an explicit confession that you are no mere bad-voter. You can't even think from the point of view of someone who is. You're survivalistic, clearly.

Lynch with fucking fire.

I feel like I know you.

[RolePlay25]

Did I say you were fakeclaiming? I said no such thing. I believe your claim, I do not think you are town. Maybe you gain powers if you forfeit your vote. Maybe mysteriously your vote will return at a later date, then there is no reason to "policy lynch" you. Then we shall all go "ah yes, that Davsto was only wanted to be lynched because of a policy lynch, it is too bad that the players who wanted to lynch him are dead". Well not me, because I suppose I shall be dead, but I'm sure the town gets the picture.

You know when I said "without sounding like a conspiracy theorist" at this whole thing earlier? You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

So is your vote really and truly gone forever and ever, cross your heart and hope to die?

My vote is gone! It's passed on! My vote is no more! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! It's pushing up the daisies! Its metabolic processes are now history! It's hopped the twig! It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! It is an EX-VOTE!

Is that enough to convince you that it won't come back?

If my vote magically comes back, lynch the everliving fuck out if me if I haven't been policy lynched by then, for crying out loud.

Now, can anyone come up for a reason for me claiming this novoter whose vote still shows - whether you think I'm lying or not - as scum, that doesn't make you look insane just saying it?

It's your actual role. Scum tend to claim their actual role, it's much easier to prove and doesn't get them in trouble as often.

Mmm, but now that you've committed to being a policy lynch/vig shot, then I can live with you alive, because you will most certainly die in the next day or two. Claim modification at this point is now suicide, and I can lvie with that. Which um... lets do a little list:

Jeanne - Town weak tracker neighbor thing, don't want to lynch
Muffinman - Did something to EAP maybe, probably not scum unless with EAP?
EAP - Has hypnotoad bulletproof bullshit powers. All glory to the hypnotoad.
Sharky - Lucid Dreamer claim. Something happened, certainly. Not the lynch today
EP - Miller with new vig powers! Don't want to lynch today
Davsto - No vote now or forever policy lynch that we shouldn't lynch on day 1. Yay
KC - Confirmed town

That leaves me with:


Learned Hand
Cerberus v666
3dicerolling
Elbirn
Mass Flop
DiamondSentinel
Shiro
itlepip

Good god. I really don't know that I want to lynch anyone on that list.

You trying to sell me Mass Flop is the right move?

[RolePlay25]

Anyway I think I've got the most out of this as I can.

This defence stuff wasn't really made with the intention of preventing my death, I'm fine with being lynched (although I'd still rather be vigged for already stated reasons). I'll get back to proper scumhunting tomorrow (irl time) because I need to sleep.

"But Davsto," I hear you ask, "if you don't care about being lynched because you're a novoter and it has to happen, then why did you spend so much time and effort defending yourself?"

Good question, you.

If I had just gone "sure, I need lynching at some point anyway, go ahead," what info would you have got from my lynch and flip? No info, that's what. Everyone would just vote because they have no reason not to.

But if I defend myself like I did, think about what will happen. I get lynched (or die later in the future), flip town. What kinds of info can you derive from people's actions during this stage? More than if I'd just sat back and allowed myself to be lynched.

You're welcome.

Man WIFOM is the most overused term in mafia. But like, I actually want to post the link to the fucking scene from the princess bride after reading this.

[RolePlay25]

Fine.

Unvote

Muffin, who are you voting? If I had to order my preferences on the list it would look something like:

Shiro
itlepip
Mass Flop
3dicerolling
Learned hand
Elbirn
Cerberus v666
DiamondSentinel

But most of my strongest reads are on the untouchables list.

PEdit: Sharky isn't town, fucked if I know about Shiro, but I don't think he's got license to be this inactive.

[RolePlay25]

See RP, you've now reached the point I was at a few days ago. All the people I'd normally want to lynch have, well, shown that there's merit to keeping them alive.

Pedit: dunno, never played with either one, but sharky hasn't been wholly useless. Shiro has been though. I think.

Why is itlepip not someone you want to lynch, rp, given your agreement about what someone, idk who, had to say about his thoughts regarding DS?

Well he's #2 on my list for a reason. But he actually appears to be scumhunting, some. Hmmm.

Actually his ISO is pretty depressing. He did vote KC with me, but why not mislynch a townie who was doing actual nothing (same as with why not defend a townie doing actual nothing?)

IMO Davsto has been super towny, and I expect there to be at least 1 scum between Mass and RP, and Diamond is just sheeping his buddy. Obviously Davsto has to be killed before lylo, but using a vigi shot is way more effective and I haven't seen a good reason why using the vigi shot is bad.

Itle, define "super towny" for me please.

[RolePlay25]

I really liked his reaction test with his fake vote way back. I had a strong town read on Davsto and he hasn't really done for me to change that. I understand the whole thing that is happening with Davsto kinda defending himself, but it doesn't feel that productive. If Davsto has a reason for trying to last an extra day and was scum, he would have claimed some 1 shot useful PR thing. I'm not sure there is a convincing narrative for what scumDavsto is doing but I understand what townDavsto is doing to I accept townDavsto right now.

Mmmm, that's fair.

Cerberus votes! My heart nearly fails.

[RolePlay25]

Hmmm.

I started my "low-hanging fruit" with Sharky, TN and KC. One was right, one was wrong, and I feel one way or another Sharky is going to die because of today. It ain't hard for anyone reading me to know what I'd bet on for that flip.

I have other theories, I'd like to see more content from Shiro, but yeah, you can push me this way.

Vote: Itlepip

[RolePlay25]

Wait, WHY does Davsto have to be killed before LyLo? He doesn't even have a vote, which means that Town-Davsto would be who mafia MOST wants to take to LyLo.

Exactly, which is why he needs to die before LyLo. If he's town, then he's literally useless in LyLo. If he's scum, he's... scum.

Basically a milder version of the reason you lynch Neutral Survivors.

[RolePlay25]

I predict the town will freak out and rush some lynch in the last 12 hours of the day. I wish I could do more to prevent that, but I'm super busy the next 36 hours. :/

Yeah I'm not interested in doing that. I rather like this vote, overall.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah here's this thing that pisses me the fuck off. You talk about a player's play, you talk about what they're doing in the game, you talk about their position. They defend themselves with the policy lynch crap. You dismiss that idea by actually looking to see any basis for it. There isn't. People ignore all the other fucking stuff that player is doing to nitpick

one single point

.

Well take out that point if you don't like it. If you do, is he still scummy? Yes? Good. Then go fuck yourself.

[RolePlay25]

This LH/Elbirn argument could not possibly have less life in it. It's like they're going through the motions, poking each other weakly, each knowing the other won't die. With under three days left, is either making the case for the other to be the lynch over Shiro, Itle or Davsto? No. They both have enough experience to know full well what they're doing won't result in a lynch, and yet here they are, going through the motions, not pushing an actual wagon or presenting an actual compelling counterwagon. Just poke, poke, poke, poke. Like straw poll, is anyone giving a shit? No? The town is content to lynch someone other than their supposed "top scum read" (kek) but they just do not care.

Frankly if one is scum then the other is MORE likely to be scum, not less.

Contrast with zMuffin who starts a new wagon and actually tries to get us to join it. Given Itle's response to the votes, I really don't want to (his response was very 'yah, you got me, but I'll go through the motions') but at least he gives a fuck.

LH, Elbirn, shit or get off the pot. We've got two days left, take an actual position.

[RolePlay25]

Stop trying to be ABR, you're a shit ABR and ABR is a shit player anyway.

[RolePlay25]

Like, if you want to vote me, fine. At least you'll be taking a fucking position come end of day, and be on a wagon with more than 1 vote. It's a shit position and you'd have to be brain damaged to think I'm scum here, but fine. At least you'd fucking be doing something useful.

One vote wagons don't kill people. You're fucking on a one vote wagon, so either try to get other people who agree with you to vote it, or fucking get on a more useful wagon. There ain't one scum left, so don't give me "I only have one fucking scumread" bullshit.

[RolePlay25]

actually, i am going to say the reasons that aren't explicitly

within the game

but i would advise no one discuss this since it is not really breaking site rules but it very well could if discussed

there are three premises from which i am drawing my own personal conclusion, you may or may not draw the same conclusion but regardless, it is not wise to discuss why you do or don't

- itlepip (seems like/plays like/is a newbie and, in general, i think newbies are far less likely to want to play scum than town, especially in a larger game like this
- itlepip has flaked from two other games recently
- itlepip has not only remained in this game, but has been actively posting and contributing content

Well if we're going there, BBMolla who believes he is truly awful scum flaked from that slot. As for itle:

- I see no flaked games. If you can say they exist, you can say what ones. I do not see them.
- I see one completed scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=64238 He stayed through the entire game.
- He actively posted and contributed content in that game. He focused on scummy actions over scumhunting, and was a big push on DiamondSentinel who he eventually got mislynched.

What is this fucking post anyway?

[RolePlay25]

Like meta, Muffin, you're not only doing it wrong, you appear to be smoking crack.

[RolePlay25]

Roleplay, shit or get off the pot. Take a stance on me v Elbrin.

Fuck you both. I think you're more likely to be scum than Elbirn, but I honestly don't think either of you are. That being said, you are WASTING MY FUCKING TIME Titus.

[RolePlay25]

Like did you see your name high on the list of people I wanted to kill who hadn't been protected by hypnotoad? No? That should be all the fucking information you need.

[RolePlay25]

@Roleplay, I don't see what the hyponotoad has to do with anything.

Really, then why aren't you lynching Sharky? The man who hasn't posted for a million years? Because all glory to the hypnotoad.

[RolePlay25]

Like meta, Muffin, you're not only doing it wrong, you appear to be smoking crack.

it was not "meta", merely observations and an assumption - the replacement request thread shows up in my egosearch so I open it every now and then to mark it as read

i haven't had the time to do any sort of proper "meta" research

Well fuck that. You're dead wrong.

[RolePlay25]

@Roleplay, I don't see what the hyponotoad has to do with anything.

Really, then why aren't you lynching Sharky? The man who hasn't posted for a million years? Because all glory to the hypnotoad.

Because he can give you fuckers desperadoes which forces your scum team to implode or confirm us as town. Win win.

Yeah, Titus? You're bad at mafia.

[RolePlay25]

Titus, you have always been bad at mafia. You're copying some of the most violently toxic players on the site, and the past few years haven't made you any better. I'd say that all they've done is give you an ego, but you had that since day 1 (and it was even less deserved then).

Get out of your fucking derp tunnel. You're going to complain that we're all bad and shit when it turns out we're all town and you're helping the scumteam, as usual, but it's basically your MO. I'm sure you have some game you want to link me to where you caught all the scum day 1 and everyone ignored you, but everyone ignored you because you're usually wrong, you live in tunnels, and you operate on pure confirmation bias.

You want to play like a fucking terrorist? Fine. You'll put yourself on the need to die list, and one way or another I will see that happen. I always, always do. That is a promise, by the way. If I'm town and I want someone to die, one way or another they fucking die. I don't by a long shot have a strong town read on you, and the more you flail about trying to threaten me (hah! If you had any fucking clue) then the more you move towards being a necessary death. You think I'm town and you're threatening me because I disagree with your reads, Titus, what does that say about you?

[RolePlay25]

And not toxic like the "oh ho tumblr now I'm triggered" bullshit that gets tossed around by people who can't handle "bad words" because they haven't matured past early puberty, I'm talking people who drag the game into the mud, make everyone lose the will to live, and trash an entire town with their sheer disgustingly destructive personality.

If you're right in a game you think that gives you a god license and go on to tunnel some other player. If you're wrong in a game you assume that it was because the other person played poorly, insult them, and go on to tunnel some other player. It's worse than RNG, because no one listens to you, and if you do happen to be coincidentally right, the scum just shoot you anyway, and then no one listens to you because half the time when you're shot it's because they can't stand you either.

And the worst part is you know this, and you try to do the same damn thing as scum, because you think it's in your meta to play like shit.

Hey, here's a thought. Break the fucking cycle.

[RolePlay25]

I am explicitly trying to get you to STOP DOING BEHAVIORS THAT ARE TERRIBLE.

You'll note I did the same with Jeanne. It's for the same reason.

[RolePlay25]

You're just trying to rile me up.

Like honestly, this is the worst part. Someone gives you criticism, they're "just jealous", "just scum", "just bad", "just trying to rile you up", etc. etc. etc.

It's like some Dr. Who perception filter technology where any criticism gets automatically morphed into something where you did nothing wrong. Gaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[RolePlay25]

There ARE NO GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS. Mafia is a GAME! It's fun because we can draw the lines, ooh look, town = good guy, scum = bad guy. It's all a show, and we go about playing our parts, hunting and arguing and debating and lynching and stuff.

REALITY ISN'T LIKE THAT. When you realize that, a hell of a lot of things in your life will get better.

On a more game related note, if you are coming down firmly on the side of Itle&Shiro = town, I think you're going to be very, very surprised about Itle. That reaction was bad, and you can't see it. I think you won't be surprised about Elbirn, because you're already morphing me into scum white knighting him or something to explain away criticism of your play.

[RolePlay25]

Like, do I want your vote? Honestly, I wish I could say no. I wish I could throw it in your face and laugh. I really do. But I need your vote, because I need 9 people to get a scum lynch.

I won't get Sharky's vote. He's floating in la la land as the post-restricted (now unrestricted) unlimited inventor who confirmed with the mod he can create desperado shots when we now have TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE (EP & Cerberus) saying they confirmed with the mod he can't. I guess you could confirm with the mod, but oh wait,

you're not listening to Cerberus

. See, that's the sort of thing that's toxic. Two people saying what Sharky said is not true is EXTREMELY alignment indicative.

I don't know about muffin, maybe he'll see reason. I have no great faith in that or EAP.

Mastin seriously never listens to me. She's a tree. Maybe I can sell hiplop. Maybe the hydra is scum. We shall see.

KC is whatever. Don't care.

That's 6 votes I'm down if I want a lynch. I thought I was down Cerberus, but nope, he's here. So yeah, I need your vote. What are you lacking to think Itle is scum? Because I will point out (and it's easily verifiable) he spent the last scum game plonking at Diamond for two days because Diamond was "acting scummy" and here he's plonked at Jeanne and Diamond. So if it's meta like Muffin... err... don't think so.

[RolePlay25]

Okay, for Titus - why Itle need to die for being scummy mc scum

It's been a long fucking day, and I meant to make this hours ago, but you earn the last of my energy for the day. Yay you. See, when I move my vote, I do actually check it's going to a good place.

Lets talk a few eyecatching statements:

I really don't see the DS wagon as scum here. Jeane and roleplay are my 2nd and 3rd scum reads right now. TN's wagon was fairly terrible and was made up of awful people. I'll with the Elbrin read. My gut is saying that this whole conversation is scum banter, I think that it is probably a conspiracy theory, but...

Before I stop posting, I'd say I'm game.

VOTE: tn

~Bye bye~

Wee random wagon if nonsense but won't explain why...

Will finish catching up tomorrow, not excited to read a day of posts without my scumreads though.

Now again, bad reads aren't scumreads, but man does he grab the chainsaw hard for TN. Very, very hard, because TN was a viable lynch candidate at that point (and would damn near confirm Jeanne-town just by flipping).

All of his reads are generic "mafia theory" reads. They're very, very non-judgmental reasons for voting people, hard to argue with, useless. Anyone can go through someone's ISO and find a list of the plays that are against site meta, and again and again all his reads are for people being

bad town

.

Holy shit that reasoning sucks. "I know I'm town, and voting confirmed town is scummy, so therefore anyone that votes me is scum". One of the very keys development for humans, and what mafia is based around, is that other people don't know what you know. One of the my pet peeves is when people say "I know I'm town and that gives me an advantage over everyone else" in lylo settings. It means nothing and doesn't actually help with analysis since everyone knows that they are town, even scum. Come on Jeanne...

Also, you keep ignoring the fact that I said you would do the same if you had my role. Address that point too instead of skirting around it.

No I wouldn't. There literally isn't a role in the game that I would ever do what you have been doing this game. If people voting me somehow damaged the role, which is what you seem to be implying here, you say that instead of 'OMG STOP GUYZ' and only ever OMGUSing. The fact is that Titus right now apparently know your role, which means that if she is scum scum know your role. Now there are a few instances where that is okay. 1 if you are sure that Titus is town or your role lets you know that Titus is town, 2 if you are scum which means you know Titus is town and are using her to vouch for you.

And my biggest pet peeve is when people try to lynch townie even if said townie has high utility to town. And no, I am not saying this just to save myself, but I sincerely believe it. For instance, if you were trying to lynch one of my townreads, I would be saying the same thing. In this case, it just so happens that I have utility.

You have played this game before right? Scum only gets lynched day 1 about 30% of the time. Yes you are only saying this to save yourself, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever except as an excuse to save yourself. You are allowed to point out why we should think you are town, but you can't just say 'don't do this please'.

Look, I'm trying not to go too far with this, but please try to look at your posts from the perspective of someone that doesn't know you are town to see what I am talking about.

Pedit: I thought you thought I was scum? Like you were voting me and everything. If I figured out your role (which I think I might've) then this whole gambit thing was dumb and anti-town. Why do you want me to know who you are if you think I am scum here?

I can just go on, and on, and on. These aren't scumreads, these are apologies for lynching the people he's voting.

I'm pretty sure Jeanne has scumslipped in this whole business. I am certainly not unvoting here, but I will reread to make sure that there isn't any town reason for her to do what she just did.

"No town reason..." Yep, sorry Jeanne, had to lynch you, there was just no town reason. Not "scum" just, "no town reason". It's constant.

Oh yes:

VOTE: Sharky the fact that you still haven't voted TN is setting off some serious warning bells in my head.

I'm not sure if I actually want you to claim here,

If we go with the theory that Sharky = 3rd party then, well. Look at this again, from the perspective of the scum team.

All he posts is theory, Titus. Theory, theory theory.

Shall I do what you did with Elbirn and yell for a 1v1? I'm pretty damn certain when I looked. It's all just... empty. It's all empty talk with no purpose or point. Discussions of how the game works, discussion of how to play mafia properly, nothing that actually resembles scumhunting. And the interactions with TN are pure, pure scumbuddy. Shiro thinks, Itle talks.

[RolePlay25]

Ok, I'm betting 3dice and Jeanne are both scum. No way this was TvT, and it seems to rehearsed for TvS

What if I told you I was masons with Jeanne, how would that change your appraisal and why?

If this was confirmed I would be mad. I don't think scum would claim mason with a partner, but it isn't impossible.

If it were good theory in training, as you said agent, does it not apply in the field?

Your style is your own, for I shall not target a claim of mason at first dawn, but I mislike such reversals.

I never claimed mason. I presented a hypothetical in order to receive a response which I have not yet received. And just because I agree it's bad practice to rely upon past games as ones reasoning for reads in the current one does not mean I believe doing so is scummy.

*whew. Okay, I am beginning to feel a Jeane and Cerberus world.

3dice feels sorta similar to the game where he was my scumpartner but I don't know his town game so I'm not gonna do anything on that front.

Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

Talk about going for the easy targets.
VOTE: DiamondSentinel

That post is just... WOW. So ridiculously stupid.

"I have someone who I think is scum, and there's someone else who also thinks that they're scum, but the scummy person is an easy target (even though I think they might be scum) so I'm going to vote the person scumreading them."

Get the fuck out of here.

I never said I scumread 3dice, stop intentionally misinterpreting my posts.

I am reading it the way Diamond did, but Davsto is NAI from this

I don't want to be replaced. >.>

You won't be! We're just gonna be quiet so we don't bloat the thread for the half of the game that isn't posting and thus might not be reading.

great, my top two scumreads are going to stop talking, because one told the other to stop talking. I am counting that weird prod paranoia and Cereberus not correcting her to be scum indicative.

I hate it when people say that. "You look like you're leaving an opening for backpedaling" or the like, where they're like "ooooh setting up to do X". No, you're assuming that. If you think someone's leaving an opening for something, note it down somewhere that isn't inthread and then call them out when they actually do it. All you're doing otherwise is scumreading someone for potentially doing something in the future which they haven't actually done and may never have been planning to do, or you may simply let scum know not to do that when they would have, stopping them from doing something scummy.

Basically, those reads are awful and I immediately lean towards someone being scummy when they do it because anyone can go "they look like they're getting ready to do something scummy" and get a free, easy scumread.

PEdit: Insane Cops are bastard tho

Holy shit this. I might need to save this rant for later, I have made this exact point in a few other games. *applause.

Before I stop posting, I'd say I'm game.

VOTE: tn

~Bye bye~

Wee random wagon if nonsense but won't explain why...

Will finish catching up tomorrow, not excited to read a day of posts without my scumreads though.

I'm pretty sure Jeanne has scumslipped in this whole business. I am certainly not unvoting here, but I will reread to make sure that there isn't any town reason for her to do what she just did.

VOTE: Sharky the fact that you still haven't voted TN is setting off some serious warning bells in my head.

I'm not sure if I actually want you to claim here,

Cerberus was all theory. His attacks on me were just looking for a decent target.

There's gonna be a real egg on your face when Itle is scum and Shiro is town by the way~

[RolePlay25]

There's gonna be a real egg on your face when Itle is scum and Shiro is town by the way~

do you want to take the nacho pact with me?

one of us sheeps the other today, if the person being sheeped is right, they get the sheep's vote for the rest of the game, if the person being sheeped is wrong, they have to sheep the sheep for the rest of the game (for as long as both are alive)

this is a pact of honour

you break it, and you shall forever be known as a fart-breath testicle-head

Sure. You start.

btw are you deliberately ignoring the posts that invalidate your position or are you just honestly not seeing them?

are you ever going to talk about what scum hunting you think shiro has done this game? or what you meant by "shiro thinks"?

If something actually "invalidates my position" then I'll listen. If you make a crappy point based on the replacement queue that I refute and that you then nitpick and whine that

my

meta analysis is bad, I'm going to ignore that, because that is a very stupid thing for anyone to post and I don't really feel like talking about stupid things.

[RolePlay25]

RP, where the flying bat shit did that come from? First off guess what I can find a bunch of theory posts in everyone that actually has been trying to play this game cause between the Jeanne claim and now the wagon on me

all of it was theory

, look through those pages a find 1 time, 1 single time where we had a wagon build up near lynch on someone that was scummy because of a non theory reason. No instead we have had a bunch of claims and weird strings of connection and half counterclaims and balance discussions.

Oh okay, "everyone else was doing it too."

Yeah, see how my vote is not moving off you?

[RolePlay25]

It means you've failed at convincing me you're not scum.

Which is probably because that wasn't very convincing.

[RolePlay25]

RP, where the flying bat shit did that come from?

Like, did you actually think I was voting you because your name rhymes with Pittletip or something? I pulled your name out of a hat?

You probably did at that.

Muffin's starting to doubt, he wouldn't offer the nacho pact if he thought I was totally wrong.

[RolePlay25]

Talking about theory is always at best null. Voting on theory is bullshit.

VOTE: tn

tn is scum for wanting me to answer despite knowing it may put a target on my back. Imo only scum would be unconcerned with this, because they're trying to get a mislynch. Also, since the beginning she was gunning for my mislynch. I wonder why that is? Maybe because she knows I'm an easy mislynch due to my personality. Well, no more nice girl. Ask me any questions you might have and I will explain to you just why I think tn is scum.

Ooh you are changing who you are OMGUSing... Chainsaw defending yourself doesn't work either.

Isn't a chainsaw defense "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum", so if you are defending yourself by OMGUSing everyone on you wagon...

Can we just agree that what Jeane is doing is scummy and move on?

VOTE: Jeane

Like this is just a bunch of buzzwords from the wiki strung together. That's literally all it is. It's a fucking pile of jargon and shit. It means fucking nothing, hell, you don't even know what it means, you just think it sounds good.

Sucks you're getting lynched for the wrong reasons, right? Don't care. Get fucked scum.

[RolePlay25]

Yes, yes, if I post a lot you can complain about my wall posts and say I'm posting everything, if I post examples and invite others to look through your ISO and see what you're saying I'm cherry picking. 1/10 originality, seen it lots before, not interesting.

I'm not here to convince you that you're scum, Dramonic did that when he sent you BBMolla's role PM. I'm here to convince the town to kill you.

[RolePlay25]

VOTE: Cerberus fuck it.
The fact that he hasn't voted, hasn't really any reads, and his entire game is just small points (actively lurking) rather than real content is bad, especially when he is making a big show of not going to be lynched is pretty scummy in my book.

"Not voting is scummy"
"Not immediately posting reads is scummy"
"Making a big showy defense is scummy"

It's all shit you could post in Mafia Discussion without even playing in a game muffin.

So if you want to be worthless, be worthless. You can leave the name calling out of it.

[RolePlay25]

tn flipped scum.

Congrats, you are now a better player than Mastin.

This is not sarcasm.

[RolePlay25]

Like, I'm pretty sure Mastin is cheeky enough to do this as scum, by the by. Will happily fucking lynch. Content about how TN is probably scum is not happy days.

[RolePlay25]

What the fuck muffin. I said all his posts were canned shit with buzzwords he BLATANTLY DOESNT UNDERSTAND. And he's posting this because it's fake fucking scumhunting.

What the FUCK are you on about? Stop hitting the crack pipe.

[RolePlay25]

I POSTED THE QUOTES IN THREAD ARE YOU ILLITERATE?

HE VOTES JEANNE FOR CHAINSAW DEFENDING HERSELF. AND OMGUS VOTING TN. ITS FABRICATED FUCKING BULLSHIT

GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD IN THE GAME. CHRIST.

[RolePlay25]

Yes muffin, the argument is that Itle is playing a scum game.

Sorry you'd rather lynch on other criteria.

[RolePlay25]

You called me a fuckwit and a retard.

They're in the ISO. Go print it out and shove it up your ass, then set yourself on fire.

I am not doing a dog and pony show for you you waste of oxygen.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah okay. Does any member of the town older than 10 want to talk?

[RolePlay25]

I said OLDER than 10, muffin. I know reading is a problem for you, why not ask your teacher for some of those books with the pretty pictures to amuse you while the grownups have a conversation.

[RolePlay25]

Well if I you'd ACTUALLY read what I posted you'd know your question had been answered. I tried to work with you. You acted like a child. You will be treated as a child.

[RolePlay25]

It does no such thing. What the actual fuck.

[RolePlay25]

Will you replace out if I show you I've answered that muffin?

[RolePlay25]

Because that's basically the only thing left you could do that I actually care about.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah okay. That's an absurd and inane interpretation. Message whoever the fuck you want, mods aren't a bunch of drooling idiots unless they've all been replaced.

[RolePlay25]

yeah, whatever, just gonna ignore you if you can't even mount an actual solid argument in response to anything

If you think I haven't responded, agree to replace out if you're wrong.

[RolePlay25]

That's an indicator of bussing.

Elbrin never had a reason to vote TN beyond RP was the first to ask him to.

I thought I was scum.

So I'm scum... asking my scumbuddy... to vote my scumbuddy.

What is this logic

[RolePlay25]

@ZMuffin, Those aren't

town

thought processes. I pushed for the miller claims to see who would jump. Scum would love to lynch the millers in succession. When I call him on this, he says Shiro is his homeboy for life.

As deadline approaches, he's back to miller hysteria.

He took the same approach with Jeanne. Never going to vote her and then does when it's easy.

The negative utility comments regarding reflexive BG rolecop are subtle jabs at EAP, and I don't get why you townread them.

While one can be a scum miller, it's unlikely unless multiball. Shiro's posting doesn't look scummy to me.

Holy christ

It's more lies! God in heaven Titus if you're town you can literally eat a bag of dicks.

Where in the everloving fuck have I pushed Errant OR Shiro or claimed that they should be lynched or were scum or even fucking interacted with them in the past 24 hours aside from me telling you that I'm not pushing them? Die in a fire, you are lying. Your push against me is lies. You're fucked cuz I know you're scum and you're trying to get me lynched in day play so you don't have to NK me.

I vote Jeanne when it was easy? I VOTED JEANNE WHEN SHE FUCKED UP. I OUTLINED WHY AND HOW SHE FUCKED UP.

Oh hey look it's you agreeing that scum miller's don't exist, so I'm right to think Shiro is town. you said something that isn't bullshit. Have a cookie Titus.

Careful, she's about to whine that you're breaking site rules rather than interact.

[RolePlay25]

Careful, she's about to whine that you're breaking site rules rather than interact.

Yeah I mean
Insults are generally fine in my book
But calling people "retards" isn't PC apparently and people have gotten banned for that before. I'm not gonna argue about the morality of the word retard, I'm just gonna say once that you probably shouldn't call people that.

I didn't.

calling you a fuckwit and a retard was unfair of me. i apologise to the fuckwits and retards of the world

yeah, fuck up retard, you're shit at the game and you're calling others worthless and shit

You starting to get the impression she's fishing for mod sanction against players who are inconvenient to her alignment? 'cause I am.

Which reminds me a bit of some other player...

[RolePlay25]

Which has to be the change I like the least in MS. Weaponized moderation. Don't like how an argument is going for you? Someone calling you out inconveniently? Is someone pushing a lynch on your buddy? Call the moderator!

People using that are scum. And I don't mean mafia, I mean in terms of personal character.

[RolePlay25]

Unfounded? Yeah, no, that wasn't even like TN's call for moderator, that was flat out ignoring muffin to try and get mod sanctions on me.

No prizes for guessing which one of our votes she likes better, or who I'm going to be going after tomorrow if itle's flipped scum.

[RolePlay25]

A day late, a dollar short.

Not convinced.

[RolePlay25]

Like personally I don't give a fuck. There's a few things that are across my personal lines, but none of them are calling me stupid, idiot, moron, retard, fuckwit, or whatever. Nor is telling people to go die in a fire, nor is threatening to rip someone's spine out through their esophagus and then use it as the centerpiece of an artistic presentation on why defending lurkers because they are lurking is terrible. Actually the last one is fucking hilarious.

But man do I notice when someone who does espouse the philosophy that everything harsher than "meanie-pants" is evil applies that standard haphazardly.

[RolePlay25]

Great. Want to lynch scum with me?

[RolePlay25]

*bzzt*

no! Wrong answer

[RolePlay25]

Also like, two things. One, I'm not going to differentiate between you and Titus. You're in the same player slot, you're effectively the same player. If you don't like something she did, sort it out with her. I can't have you talking about your personal character and then say "oh but Titus did that" later on.

Second, like, on a personal level I do sympathize, but this is this and that is that, as we say. If we're going to ban everyone who tells someone to die in a fire or jump off a bridge we're going to have a really small site. So if you think something is a site violation, go. Chat with mith, chat with SpyreX, take it up with Vi. Just don't weaponize it and use it to browbeat people.

[RolePlay25]

Do not sign up for a game I am in Roleplay. I don't want you around.

~Titus

That's on you.

[RolePlay25]

Like seriously, you don't want to sign up for a game I'm in? Fine. Great. Whatever. Don't care. Why the hell do you need to tell me in thread?

You weaponize this shit that has NOTHING to do with the game we are currently playing, and I'm quite done with it. It's a scummy fucking tactic, and I'm damn ready to lynch you right now.

[RolePlay25]

You literally have no idea who I am, the shit I put up with, the effort I make to try and play this game. So you don't fucking get the right to come in here and do this you jackass. Tired of me? GET THE FUCK OUT. You won't be missed.

I am absolutely THROUGH tolerating the sheer amount of negative, nasty bullshit that flows from you.

[RolePlay25]

Titus is the queen of the town block! Titus wants you banned from site! Titus wants to regulate what games you can and can't play in! Titus apparently fucking bought mafiascum and no one bothered to tell me!

[RolePlay25]

Like seriously, I went OUT OF MY WAY to work with you. Remember this?

Facts at facts. You want my vote. Use them.

I stated the facts, just like you wanted, I went out of my fucking way, spent quite a fair amount of time, to tell you exactly why Itle is scum. Muffin at least read them to say they were shit. You didn't even fucking bother. You didn't even fucking bother to read a word I wrote.

Disrespectful? That's ten times as disrespectful as calling me a "retard". I went out of my fucking way to cooperate with you, spent time I did not need to spend specifically because you asked for it. And you didn't even fucking read it.

You want to avoid joining a game with me in it? Good. I don't want to ever fucking see you. I'm glad. Inflict your arrogant, disrespectful behavior on some other fucking town that doesn't have me in it.

[RolePlay25]

I just want you to follow the rules or not play with me. Pretty simple. If you can't do that, I do not want you around.

As for me being stubborn on not voting town, that a good thing not a bad one.

~Titus

THEN GET THE FUCK OUT

[RolePlay25]

You're the one hiding behind an alt RolePlay. Obviously you have some prior beef with Titus, so that makes the hiding behind an alt thing more dubious in my view. If you cannot deal with the consequences of what you did or said on your main account, you will inevitably do the same things and end up in the same place. Better to deal with your problems than run from them.

Can we maybe get back to the game?

~Drixx

Yeah, this sanctimonious garbage? It's crap. I took a break from mafia for a few years, and did not need the baggage of being associated and compared with how I played a few years ago, being assumed to "get scum or is scum", getting shot night one every fucking game I was town to the point where me being alive on day 3 was a scum tell. It has jack shit to do with Titus. Like, on the scale of personal importance to me, Titus is around "hangnail".

[RolePlay25]

I'd really, really, really like to lynch Itle.

Are you so certain Mass Flop is scum? They're certainly playing poorly (TN is scum, thanks for the reads!) but does it rise to the level of scummy?

Honestly like, as long as the role isn't gonna ever grow superpowers to vote (like you seemed to be hinting at with the "other stuff"), I kind of at least semi-trust your claim. I mean it's a horrible role that's evil to give to someone, but yeah, see theme.

[RolePlay25]

Well there is a class of insult that is worse, one where you suggest a person is a member of a group as a prejudicial insult where you by implication make the entire group a "bad thing" that people should be happy to not be a part of (usually related to race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.). There's a certain word they banned on this site because someone thought those sorts of insults were good to use in game.

But yeah, strangely, what Muffin said. Although frankly if he thinks he's going to make me feel bad about myself, he's delusional.

Wait, that statement had an unnecessary qualifier.

[RolePlay25]

That whooshing sound you heard when you read my post was my point going right over your head. I didn't say some insults are worse than others. I said that there's a difference between the proper usage of a word and using it as an insult/to inflict emotional pain. I am crippled. That is a state of being wherein some normal physical function of my body doesn't work. It's not an insult to say I'm crippled. It is an insult to call me a cripple.

Similarly it's not an insult to point out that someone is retarded if you are referring to an actual condition. When you use it as an insult, that's the problem.

And whether you like it or not, attacking people in that way is against the site rules. You don't get to call people retards. You don't get to gay bash on people. You don't get to race bash. If I wanted the mod to modkill you, I would have sent a private message. I want you to understand the difference and act like a mature adult. It seems clear that trying to engage you adult to adult is a fool's errand though.

~Drixx

Alright, last word on the subject, then I'm done. No. You wanted to bully people. And I am lumping you in with Titus because you chose to hydra with her, and you chose to share her slot, you chose to share her actions, so don't give me the "I'm different" line when you're doing this.

Throughout the entire game, like you do every game, you threaten people who aren't doing what you want. You threaten me with a scumread. You threaten me with a lynching. That doesn't get me in line, you threaten me with a modkill. That doesn't work (because it's horseshit and we both know it) so you try to threaten me out of future mafia games. That's what I mean about playing like a fucking terrorist. You yell "I have a stick of dynamite and I'm going to blow us all up!" because you don't get your damn way. You want to tell us how to think, tell us how to act, and instead of trying to reasoning with us, like the

adult

you claim to be, you grab an even bigger weapon to try and threaten us into submission.

Man, you want me not to use a word, just ask. I'd have said yes. Hell, I wasn't even using it. Now I feel like using it out of spite, just because of how much I dislike your bullying.

[RolePlay25]

You think that Jeanne is scum with TN?

Like... this is how you bus your buddy?

No, he isn't saying you're scum because you're you. He's saying your behavior is anti-town and regardless of alignment it's better if your'e dead. It's the same argument Drixx made in suikoden, and the same reason why he had the LH hydra voting you earlier.

This...shitstorm...you cause, is NOT beneficial to town. We've wasted an absurd amount of time telling you to stop flipping out about getting lynched when there is nowhere CLOSE to the support required for you to get lynched.

Let me say this one final time: Whether someone thinks you are town or scum in thread is not alignment indicative, no matter what your alignment is.

pedit: No, he said you are a bad player, and anti-town, and should be lynched regardless of alignment, AND that he saw you do(I don't even remember what) something in a similar fashion in a scum game.

That's it. That's all he's said. Anything else is shit you've read into what he's said.

pedit #2: What zmuffin said. Ignore it. Focus on the other 15 players.

Except I also implied it was meta for her to do the bolded as any alignment, which makes removing her a priority if we want the thread to be something that isn't shit.

She outed that she had a PR in Blitz 11 and acted similarly to her behavior in this thread until she was lynched.

In fact, I take advice from anyone except anime alliance.

Ironic as fuck given your anime avatar.

At this point, I just want to see tn eat his words about how I am scum from earlier when I flip town.

Honestly, I know his type. If you flip town, he'll just blame his bad read on your play, because he's the hero of his own life, and we're just obstacles in his way to beleaguer the poor hero. He's the plucky farmboy, I'm the evil witch, you're the great dragon. He'll just complain about you being town later.

Maybe he'll grow out of it, maybe he won't. Yeah, it's frustrating, but you gotta let it go. I'm bad at this myself, but it is good advice.

Honestly speaking, which person in the game do you think is least likely to be town right now? We've got 17 players, and I've lost track of a few myself, so I don't think it's a simple question. But I do think it's one worth asking.

I hate the way Jeanne chooses to play the game and would pursue a lynch against it even if she were mod-proven innocent child.

Her alignment likely being scum this game is only one factor in my desire to delete her from the playerlist.

die tn die. Retract your statement or die. Or I will die. There's no room for both of us here.

Make it happen. I don't want to be in ANY game with you EVER again. Consider yourself explcitly BANNED from any game I choose to run.

i'm assuming that no one is opposed to me shooting TN?
and yeah, OF COURSE I'm stalling. but that's not alignment indicative. I'm stalling because I want to shoot scum, not town.

If it gets me out of this game with Jeanne, I'll take it, even if I'd prefer for you to shoot Jeanne over me.

What is this I don't even

[RolePlay25]

Like I mean maybe he was playing extremely super cheeky scum with that ridiculous link to the blitz game and stuff. Maybe.

Somehow I'm really having trouble seeing it.

[RolePlay25]

OH GOD GO AWAY

If you have a problem with this site's moderation PLEASE GO TAKE IT UP WITH THEM

I'm not one of the site moderators, I triple promise doggy swear. And I apologize to anyone who is triggered by the word "dog"

[RolePlay25]

VOTE: Jeanne

Probably getting coached, intentionally acting stupid. Like...I don't expect miracles from her but this is beyond the level of incompetence I'd expect

VOTE: Mass Flop

Yeah like...

Could buy that.

[RolePlay25]

P.edit 2

Well RP I am pretty sure that if anyone scumreads jeane it isn't with tn

P.edit 3

Can we drop that subject . It is just doing harm to the game and creates bad blood between people.

P.edit 4

Rp, Like I could see tn bussing, it is jeane reaction that makes no sense as being scum with tn.

But we got a mafia flip. Not like a "Orange Mafia" flip, or a "Mafia with the pointy hats" flip, but a straight mafia flip.

So maybe we have multiball with Werewolves and Mafia or something. That would be miserable, that would make me miserable, this game has made me miserable.

But is there a point in thinking that before at least N1 is done?

[RolePlay25]

Meh, Mass Flop is town.

Blah

[RolePlay25]

Well when davsto said he is zombieproof

I mean that is pretty damn big hint

Trust me, it's not. I can explain why at some point.

[RolePlay25]

It's blue. As a user of mafblue I can barely see it, I'm triggered.

[RolePlay25]

It's blue. As a user of mafblue I can barely see it, I'm triggered.

who the fuck uses mafblue

Do you seriously belong to the Sepia clan? I don't know if I can handle this.

[RolePlay25]

We have 9/9 needed for a lynch right here, right now, actively talking, in a game where we're quickly approaching deadline, and you're fucking off about fucking themes.

Then you can fucking vote for anyone I am not fucking townreading. I would rather no lynch than lynch itepip, Jeanne, Klingon, Shiro, errant, DS, dave, or ourselves. Pick someone who is not them.

So itle is a town read. Good to know.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah I actually went through your entire ISO.

That was the first time you mentioned Itle/BBMolla or talked to that slot in any way

I found this very interesting.

[RolePlay25]

That is interesting. I see you didn't care about my interest in seeing of anybody felt like lynching you. Noted.

Why would I? I'm fairly certain you're town, I'm fairly certain you're trolled(in the original meaning). Are you looking for reactions from me? From others? Do I know? Do I care? I do not. I want to lynch scum. Arguing with you over silly does not do that.

[RolePlay25]

RP: What other reasons do you have besides the weak ass ones I provided?

You mean besides the fact everything he is doing is weak ass reasoning that goes "someone is playing scummy" rather than "I think someone is scum"? And chainsawing for TN? Yep, that's the reason for my vote. It's all preemptive posturing for the flip. It's not "I think someone is going to flip scum" it gives a perfect out "I just don't understand why town would play so poorly!"

Shall I pull an LH? I won't hammer Elbirn or Shiro even at deadline. We can no lynch if those are the options. Oh, and that hydra is scum, by the by.

[RolePlay25]

@Cerb, The scum motivation in riling up easy targets and mislynching them should be evident. I have work this afternoon. I will go into detail later.

You are going to try to sell yourself and Muffin as "easy targets"? Like what, I decide to rile you guys up over Jeanne or Diamond because I'm looking for easy targets?

Hey Muffin, you think of yourself as an easy target now?

This hydra is lying, this hydra is scum and the lynch they're selling you is a lynch on town.

[RolePlay25]

Actually, no. I want you to answer, Titus. I want you to answer, Drixx.

You are calling yourselves easy targets? You are bad players who are easy to mislynch?

[RolePlay25]

THIS
THIS GREAT JUSTICE

RP, plz. Let's get LH today.

We need seven more, sadly.

But yes, I'm there.

[RolePlay25]

Yay, the scum hydra, with zero votes on them, has claimed a vague and ambiguous power role that will at some point in the game be useful, if only we don't look too hard at their alignment today.

Weeeeee.

[RolePlay25]

Context is that was about Elbrin not you.

Second, I am an easy mislynch. Fear of Titus scum. Muffin has lurked and insulted people, endearing him to no one here.

Jeanne and Diamond are easy targets. Plain to see.

You're saying these people are terrible players NOT SCUM.

Find scum. Stop insulting town.

You are

Not town

Period

Stop trying to deflect attention with this sort of shit. "If you suspect us you must be idiots or scum!" At least Jeanne only thinks people who suspect her are scum, you toxic lying dirtbag.

[RolePlay25]

Hey friends, let me let you in on a little secret: Who is comfortable claiming vague but useful powers to deflect attention away from themselves during the day phase, the people who are afraid of being killed during the night phase, or the people who control the kill during the night phase?

L-0, Drixx has claimed vague but useful powers.

When I'm dead tomorrow, kill the scum hydra. Thanks.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah okay.

Kill the lying hydra tomorrow.

[RolePlay25]

Let me make an absolute promise: tomorrow I will stop at nothing and do nothing but work to the hardest of my ability to lynch that lying hydra.

Keep that in mind if I'm shot tonight.

[RolePlay25]

Yes, they'll scream "WIFOM!"

Ignore it.

[RolePlay25]

RP, seriously, stop it with the name calling. It's unnecessary. You were already warned by the mod. i don't want the result of this game to be marred by someone getting themselves modkilled.

Drixx: that post was terrible. So bad. Why are you even telling us this right now? Why is it relevant? Why are you working so hard to diminish pressure before any pressure exists? Hell, your slots even ASKED for a 1v1, when you could have just laid low. it doesn't make sense to follow that up with a fucking wall of "keep away from us because we are good for town and we will totally claim soon". You know what happens when you do that? You tell us that you are no longer interested in a 1v1, and now you just want to get the hell out of the middle of things.

Also, I wasn't talking about grammar Drixx! I was talking about how it's very easy to look at that sentence (notice my EBWOP, because I typoed!) in terms of logical syntax, and see a clear claim that both sharky and jeanne are investigatives.

pedit: RP, that's not true. Drixx is quite content claiming vague but useful and deliberately trying to draw NK's to himself, or to do so to WIFOM scum.

Then he lies as town. That's probably a reflection of his character more than anything.

He's lying scum here.

[RolePlay25]

So, eh, just curious, what does everyone think would be the single most overpowered single target non game breaking non killing thing you could target someone with that benefits town? Let's call this a thought experiment. Skies the limit, except for the limits I made. Make stuff up.

........................................

...........................







......Cerberus why the fuck did you know Sharkys role here.

And here's Elbirn throwing some pasta against the wall. It didn't stick so now he's moved on to us, only he hasn't even bothered to give a reason.

@RP - You are toxic and I basically am going to just ignore you for the rest of the game. You admitted that you are on an alt because your previous play on this site got you a bad reputation, and your current play on your new account is doing the same thing. As far as I can tell, making a new account isn't actually going to help you. Perhaps if you drop your completely asinine nastiness towards anyone who disagrees with you, you will not be viewed as toxic. Once you work out your issues where you think your shit doesn't smell and you lash out at anyone and everyone, you should spend some time in the Road to Rome I think. If #2444 is a reliable sample of your play, it could use improving.

Pro-Tip: I told everyone where to look to see what they need to see. If people go and look there, they will have some idea of what we are since there's really only two things that would allow us to make the early posts that we made. So ... either people will conclude that we're probably town and be fine to wait for our claim at the appropriate time, or they will conclude we're scum. Concluding that we're scum necessarily requires thinking that we are both literally the most incompetent people to ever play mafia. Since nobody viewed those posts as scum slips way back when we made them, I'm pretty sure trying to pretend they're scum slips now just makes anyone doing so look silly.

Actually, you bully, it got me a very

good

reputation.

You want me to bring my main in tomorrow? Or are you going to shoot me tonight.

Because there. will. be. blood.

[RolePlay25]

And bully is not calling you names.

it is a description of how you play. You bully people. You bully them with threats, you bully them with insults, you belittle, you complain, you use your illness as a weapon, you do everything except play mafia.

I am pointing this out because this REALLY IS game relevant. You are bullying people rather than interacting with them. Immediately after I tell you I want to lynch you, you use more bullying lies to talk about how you won't even respond to me.

You and Titus are both bullies. I see why you fit so well together. Time to die.

[RolePlay25]

Every ounce of information revealed MUST have a purpose.

This is the player who is claiming vague and ill-defined power roles at like L-7.

What is the purpose of revealing this information?

Is it to dodge the night kill? No. They don't seem particularly worried about the night kill, do they?

[RolePlay25]

Wow, you talk about name calling in the post where you do nothing but call me names.

You two-faced hypocrital lying bully.

PEdit: OH I SEE

WE GET THE FUCKING SCUM HYDRA THING

"I DIDN'T SAY THAT, OTHER ME SAID THAT"

FUCK YOU. YOU WANT TO PLAY AS ONE PLAYER SLOT, YOU GET TO PLAY AS ONE PLAYER SLOT.

[RolePlay25]

You talk about getting orders from each other, discussing things with each other.

AND YOU GO AND SOFT CLAIM RIGHT BEFORE THE NIGHT PHASE WITHOUT CONSULTING YOUR PARTNER?

FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT HAPPENED

[RolePlay25]

TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT HAPPENED

[RolePlay25]

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LIES

YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH A PAGE WITHOUT LYING

[RolePlay25]

Calling you a liar is calling you names? That's part of the fucking game. You think scum tells the truth? You think that's how fucking mafia works?

You're just fucking trying to bully people away from voting you, now or in the future.

[RolePlay25]

"Vote Learned Hand and put up with this pile of patronizing bullshit where we alternate between claiming you're too stupid to talk to and you won't be responding and doing a point by point rebuttal!

Deal with the scum hydra who will blame any inconsistencies on other the other head!"

Yeah, most people don't want to put up with that. Too bad for you I don't really care.

[RolePlay25]

@RP - You are toxic and I basically am going to just ignore you for the rest of the game.

One hour between that and doing a point by point rebuttal. Was this Titus or Drixx? I guess one head isn't dealing with me while the other rebutts or something?

Or are you just looking for a strategy that you think will successfully deflect any scum reads, and changing it up if you don't think it's going to work?

Because so far we have "soft claiming", "insulting and belittling" and then "point by point rebuttal". Want to settle on one?

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Wow, you talk about name calling in the post where you do nothing but call me names.

You two-faced hypocrital lying bully.

PEdit: OH I SEE

WE GET THE FUCKING SCUM HYDRA THING

"I DIDN'T SAY THAT, OTHER ME SAID THAT"

FUCK YOU. YOU WANT TO PLAY AS ONE PLAYER SLOT, YOU GET TO PLAY AS ONE PLAYER SLOT.

Still waiting for you to point out any place where I lied.

There's a reason hydras are asked to sign their posts. You asserted that I personally said something in a cherry picked quote where you intentionally cut off most of the post, including the signature showing that it was written by Titus. You seem to misunderstand what a hydra is. If Titus says something, that doesn't mean that I said it. If I say something, that doesn't mean Titus said it.

There's not even any hydra dissonance here since I have good reasons for the post I made. Giving that information when and how I did it has a purpose. Still ... I personally am not the person who said what you say I said. The argument that because we're playing one slot we should somehow mind meld and be thinking the same thing and each be the author of every post from the hydra is a little bit ridiculous.

Again ... there's a reason why hydras are supposed to sign their posts.

~Drixx

P.S. - Can we like maybe move on and find scum? Either put up a case or drop it RP. You can say "X is scum!" over and over and over but if there's no reasons, you're not doing anything but flooding the game with noise.

Good, lets start here:

I haven't all you have done is whine and call me a terrorist. That's not criticism. I told you I am not voting any of the three wagons because they all suck.

Rather than defend your position, you go on a tirade about how terrible I am for the game.

Facts at facts. You want my vote. Use them.

Now you told me you wanted cases and facts. I made one.

You never responded to it.

You don't want cases and facts. You were looking to deflect attention from Itle, you have no desire to let attention focus on Itle.

You lied.

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This is just big papa scary scumteam member shielding weaker scumteam member, because no matter how arrogant anyone is, they know for a fact that losing two scum day 1 is a fucking disaster that lowers scum chances of winning to close to single digits.

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Like two dead scum before the first town flip? Not good.

Oh look, the activity level from LH picked up drastically after TN died, yet they seem to have gleaned no information at all from TN's death.

Yadda Yadda, you were sick, w/e. Titus wasn't.

We go from stuff like this:

@RP, What did you want me to review?

@Errant, thoughts on Elbrin?

Dave is probably town. I have been voteless scum though so...

To long, ranty walls. Oddly the amount of mafia-relevant content doesn't change. Drixx writes entire posts belittling others, and STILL hasn't found time to respond to anything I said about Itle. But man, he sure is annoyed at all the insulting people in thread as he spends two paragraphs insulting people.

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@RP - You are toxic and I basically am going to just ignore you for the rest of the game. You admitted that you are on an alt because your previous play on this site got you a bad reputation, and your current play on your new account is doing the same thing. As far as I can tell, making a new account isn't actually going to help you. Perhaps if you drop your completely asinine nastiness towards anyone who disagrees with you, you will not be viewed as toxic. Once you work out your issues where you think your shit doesn't smell and you lash out at anyone and everyone, you should spend some time in the Road to Rome I think. If #2444 is a reliable sample of your play, it could use improving.

This is what he has time to write rather than reviewing and writing a damn thing about Itle, by the by.

Want everyone to remember that.

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Like man, I was trying to talk to you. You decided to start a war because that was better than SIMPLY TALKING TO ME. And then you accuse me of creating noise in the thread. People tend to accuse others of what they themselves do as scum. Even when they're scum.

People should really consider that, because it's true. Think about your own scum play, you really notice behaviors you do as scum, even when you are scum. "Hey, that's something I would do!"

And here he is, not talking about Itle at all and personally attacking me. Creating noise in the thread.

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"Vote Learned Hand and put up with this pile of patronizing bullshit where we alternate between claiming you're too stupid to talk to and you won't be responding and doing a point by point rebuttal!

Deal with the scum hydra who will blame any inconsistencies on other the other head!"

Yeah, most people don't want to put up with that. Too bad for you I don't really care.

I'd like to step outside of the game and speak "OOC" for a moment. For your own mental health, I think you probably need to go for a walk or go do something else for awhile. I type really fast and you are flooding in a ridiculous amount of rage posts in a very short period of time. That amount of rage generally puts a lot of stress on the body's autonomic systems, raises blood pressure, and does a lot of other not so great things for your physical and mental well being.

Oh for fucks sake. You have a problem with being called retarded, and then you start the mental health shit?

Cerberus, why isn't this fucker the most obvious lying two-faced scumfuck who ever walked on the planet?

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[Back "In Character" - I'm still waiting for you to actually like quote me lying. Mafia is a game where people of all alignments lie and deceive for various reasons. You are repeatedly calling us "Lying scum" and "The scum hydra" and so on and so forth, but so far as I've seen, you haven't actually demonstrated that we lied anywhere.

Furthermore, I don't believe either of us ever said that we never post without consulting one another. We talk on slack when we can, but we both possess agency. We can act on our own.

As for your assertion that I just now soft claimed ... erm ... we've softed basically the whole day phase, all the way back to our first posts. If you choose to ignore the part where I point out to you the evidence that we long ago softed what we are and someone would either have a pretty good idea what we are or would have to assume we're really terrible players because of it ... that's on you. You don't get to just say something and have it be true and line up with reality just because you are misinformed (or intentionally trying to misinform others). I was quite clear that we had made posts thousands of posts ago that I'm sure most of the game caught on to and they have some idea what we are.

I'm sorry you missed it... but that's not excuse for frothing at the mouth rage posts.

This is the end of me talking with you until you show you can calm down and have a rational adult conversation. I warned you when I started posting that I was only going to talk to you right now unless you stopped, and you've kept up with the toxic posts and rage posting, so if you can't behave, I will simply ignore you. I don't need the stress, and I have no interest in helping you flood the game with noise.

The proverbial ball is in your court mate.


With affection,
Drixx

TALK TO ME ABOUT ITLE SCUMFUCK

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I'M GOING TO RAM IT DOWN YOUR THROAT SO WHEN HE FLIPS RED THE TOWN HAS A VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHO THE PARTNER IS.

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DO YOU STILL HAVE PROBLEMS SEEING THIS?

YOU ASKED ME TO DISCUSS FACTS WITH YOU, I WENT OUT AND DID EXACTLY THAT

YOU DID NOT CARE, YOU IGNORED IT, YOU HAD A MASSIVE PERSONALITY SHIFT AND STARTED A FIGHT WITH ME

You are STILL starting a fight with me.

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Pedit: I HAVE NO IDEA GOOD GOD WHATEVER.

I WANT SCUM HYDRA TO ANSWER ME

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Titus won't answer me about Itle. Drixx won't answer me about Itle. Apparently discussing my toxicity, my mental health, my supposed site history they invented in their head, softclaiming and generally throwing spitballs is more important than discussing THE PERSON WHO MY VOTE IS ON as the deadline winds down.

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Oh and I'm distracting the town. It's me who is distracting and starting fights rather than discuss mafia.

Right, forgot that part.

The irony.

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RP your scumread on me is based on you looking at 3 posts, saying that those posts represent my entire ISO and then say that playing like whatever the fuck you cherrypicked is scummy. Yeah that isn't that hard to refute.

You seriously don't think there's other examples.

Stop this, this is awful. I read that you claim PGO later, but this comment generally sucks. It is essentially a role madness game. The PRs are ridiculous with what they can do, so any vote could be on like a innocent child bulletproof cop, but that doesn't mean you don't vote.

Holy shit that reasoning sucks. "I know I'm town, and voting confirmed town is scummy, so therefore anyone that votes me is scum". One of the very keys development for humans, and what mafia is based around, is that other people don't know what you know. One of the my pet peeves is when people say "I know I'm town and that gives me an advantage over everyone else" in lylo settings. It means nothing and doesn't actually help with analysis since everyone knows that they are town, even scum. Come on Jeanne...

Come on, the second one is straight from the Mafia Discussion forum.

Also, you keep ignoring the fact that I said you would do the same if you had my role. Address that point too instead of skirting around it.

No I wouldn't. There literally isn't a role in the game that I would ever do what you have been doing this game. If people voting me somehow damaged the role, which is what you seem to be implying here, you say that instead of 'OMG STOP GUYZ' and only ever OMGUSing. The fact is that Titus right now apparently know your role, which means that if she is scum scum know your role. Now there are a few instances where that is okay. 1 if you are sure that Titus is town or your role lets you know that Titus is town, 2 if you are scum which means you know Titus is town and are using her to vouch for you.

And my biggest pet peeve is when people try to lynch townie even if said townie has high utility to town. And no, I am not saying this just to save myself, but I sincerely believe it. For instance, if you were trying to lynch one of my townreads, I would be saying the same thing. In this case, it just so happens that I have utility.

You have played this game before right? Scum only gets lynched day 1 about 30% of the time. Yes you are only saying this to save yourself, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever except as an excuse to save yourself. You are allowed to point out why we should think you are town, but you can't just say 'don't do this please'.

Look, I'm trying not to go too far with this, but please try to look at your posts from the perspective of someone that doesn't know you are town to see what I am talking about.

Pedit: I thought you thought I was scum? Like you were voting me and everything. If I figured out your role (which I think I might've) then this whole gambit thing was dumb and anti-town. Why do you want me to know who you are if you think I am scum here?

I mean goddamn, this is straight talking to her about mafia theory during the lynch.


Then there's this series of posts.

Okay, so I doubt that claim due to the weird definition that 'weak' seems to take as opposed to triggered.

I will move to RP lynch if it offered.

RP because that is how Sharky plays as town as well.

This does make some sense to me, when I made the meta case for sharky, it was more about saying that many of the points were null instead of scum since sharky does do those thing when he is town. I might be willing to change votes here.

VOTE: Sharky the fact that you still haven't voted TN is setting off some serious warning bells in my head.

I'm not sure if I actually want you to claim here,

Those were sequential, mind you.

PEdit: Oh, drixx hasn't even read my case. But now he's making more terrorist threats.

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Vote: Learned Hand

Itle is actually the stronger scum read. But you're STILL threatening me with moderator action rather than actually interacting or discussing things with me.

This is intolerable.

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To date, zero discussion of Itle. But you're digging up more insults to go and find different moderators who agree with you rather than discuss mafia?

Helllll no.

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it seems that half of the players are posting with the explicit aim to rile each other up, and for a start that's scummy (since senseless noise and arguments rather than actual scumhunting is what scum thrives off), and it also makes the game unfun because people don't want to get involved in a shitstorm, and would thus rather just stand back and avoid it.

Scum thrives on this kind of schism and argument. Stop it and work together.

still relevant.

Who would rather threaten me with site mods than actually talk to me about Itle?

I mean I'd ask you to vote the obvious answer but it wouldn't do any good

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Mental health has nothing to do with developmental retardation. Your posts indicate an unhealthy mental state. I suggested you go do something else for awhile so you can come back and talk to me like an adult. The fact that you cannot even recognize that I'm trying to step outside of the game and help you as a person is disturbing.

What's further disturbing is that you respond to my attempt to talk to you human being to human being, outside the context of this game, by calling me "...this fucker the most obvious lying two-faced scumfuck who ever walked..." - Apparently you missed the part earlier where I talked about the distinction between using a word for what it actually means and using a word to intentionally denigrate and insult someone. I used myself as an example, and pointed out that I am crippled. I haven't walked in decades. Thanks for going after me in the nastiest way you possibly could ... especially when I've made myself vulnerable by talking about it in an attempt to calm the game down, and even more especially in response to a post where I clearly stepped outside of the game and tried to talk to you without the context of the game being in between us.

Also, and to make this perfectly 100% clear, I never ever ever called you retarded. Ever.

Which like, you were the one who made a big kerfluffle about the poster who did it yesterday. You really should know this. There's a zero percent chance you don't know this, but you still want to talk to me about things I've done instead of itle.

The town finally sees it. Good. Die.

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RP, in your world, everything in all of those posts was theory? Do I really need to go back to those posts and bold everything that is actual discussion?

Most of it was annoying wallposting with almost zero substance, actually.

When you vote, you vote on theory and bad play.

But hey, again, I don't really need you to see this. I need everyone else to. So go on, quote your own posts.

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That's me. Itepip is frankly obvious town. Roleplay is baiting us to respond to a case that FMPOV doesn't exist and he can then insult us and say we didn't disprove the non existant case.

So you haven't read my case, because you haven't read the thread, but you have read the thread because you know Itle is town because you're following along.

Yes, you are trying to bluster your way out of this.

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Also RP is your theory that LH is scum trying to protect their partner? cause stuff like that last post doesn't help me not get lynched.

Why in the world would I want to help you NOT get lynched?

Rather the opposite

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That's me. Itepip is frankly obvious town. Roleplay is baiting us to respond to a case that FMPOV doesn't exist and he can then insult us and say we didn't disprove the non existant case.

So you haven't read my case, because you haven't read the thread, but you have read the thread because you know Itle is town because you're following along.

Yes, you are trying to bluster your way out of this.

What case? I saw buzzwords.

I thought you "weren't feeding the troll"? Or "talking like an adult"? Or "complaining to the site admins"? But are we actually interacting?

I think if you go review you'll find it was more substantial than that. Although voting someone for "chainsaw defending themselves" is an awfully contrived pile of nonsense that Itle thought sounded good at the time. Especially given that he seems to have no problem aggressively defending himself against all questioning. Remember what I said about people finding what they do as scum scummy?

If you bus you might get to live another day.

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And if you give me a speech about how this is Titus' town read, after the long talk about how you're both your own players and you don't answer to each other and you both do your own thing, I will see your corpse strung up today.

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itlepip, you're off the table.

We kill one of LH or RP now. You're both being ridiculous and deliberately misunderstanding each other and evading shit all over the place, in addition to, in the case of RP, fucking throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

One of these two dies today. Good job making me take a stance.

I can live with that. I know I'll flip town, and the funny thing is, so does LH. So even if they win, they so, so lose.

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Seriously titus? That's all you've got? Itlepip is town because *reasons*.

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RP: stop it or we will fucking hang you instead. The one who is signing is Drixx. The one who isn't is Titus. Drixx is the one who said he hasn't read any cases. Titus has been following the game and dI'd read the cases.

There is more than enough material in this game to think you're scum rather than them. Stop deliberately misunderstanding who you're speaking to just do you can keep painting them as inconsistent and nonsensical.

And also like, can I take a moment to talk about how frustrating this is? They literally have NO PROBLEM relying on "the other person says X" as a justification for action or not action, but they won't answer to their own posts. Hydras are supposed to act as one player. They're supposed to be one player. If Titus seriously has posted zero reasons in their Hydra QT that Itle is town, but Drixx believes it utterly, then... what do I say to that? He has utter faith in a read that isn't even explained to him at all? Does that make any sense?

If two people can't come up with one reason for Itle town and you don't see anything wrong with this... I don't know what to say.

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Wait a second. Wait one damn second.

Forgive us for the brief not subtle dalliance.

We know there is at least one miller in the game

, and possibly more. We are adopting this roleplay style to be unquestioned. Given the formatting, I am inclined to believe both are millers

We are informed town.

We know there are multiple millers and godfathers in the game.

We have {at least one} other thing{s} that I won't claim no matter what, even at L-1. Please see Mafiaception if you don't believe me. I would rather eat a mislynch because scum are afraid of what I will refuse to reveal even at L-1 and let the town benefit from their paranoia than reveal something that the rest of my faction (town) really doesn't need to know right now, and which will only help scum if I said it.

Like you two might be different people. You might have different reads. You might think different thoughts. You might act differently, you might not even talk to each other.

But by god

you two got the same role PM

THESE CLAIMS DON'T MATCH

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Like the information that there was MULTIPLE millers would have been EXTREMELY pertinent given two miller claims.

I don't know what the hell you two discussed, but you were talking early game, there is NO WAY you missed this point.

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AT LEAST ONE

MULTIPLE

NOT THE SAME THING