UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

[Elbirn]

/confirm

Hai gaiz

[Elbirn]

Hy-dentities:

Edgar Allen Pro: Varsoon and I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Learned Hand: Titus and Drixx
Mass Flop: mastin2 and hiplop (the fungi)

did I get 'em all

Fixed.

So mastina why is parabola god tier town exactly?

[Elbirn]

Can anyone tell me what this is?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: shiro

anyone who is miller

sup

I..I.I.I. am not even goign to hide guys I *takers sip from flask*

I am an amnesiac miller, the amnesiac part being that I don't remember my abbilties unless I am visited by a doctor. I. I UGH would go to the interdimensional hospital but that would be a waste of my time so get to it people

I'm not happy with two miller claims here and I'm not certain why this hasn't be noted :/

[Elbirn]

Can anyone tell me what this is?

It is obviously a fedora

Ftr I didn't even notice erra claim

What can I say. Authorities hate me.

Botched miller fakeclaim, thinks picture is a hat

10/10 will lynch with fire
VOTE: Shiro

[Elbirn]

I am fine with this but I can see why you would not be.

~Titus

Do you think there'd be two miller's in a game?

[Elbirn]

good lord i hope i don't get nightkilled
i was looking forward to playing this game

Why do you think you'd be night killed if you claimed Miller..?

Did anyone else think they were a neutral survivor when they first read their role pm?

Also, VOTE: Mass flop

I actually give points to 3 dice for this because I had the same confusion/thought process when reading my role pm. Like yeah its in the sample pm, but if you're scum reading the sample pm for goodboypoints, you're never going to have confusion as to whether the sample role pm isn't actually the sample town pm.

Do ya know what I mean Mr krabs?

[Elbirn]

@elbrin, I think it's a strong possibility. 100% certainty, no.

I think they both are likely millers, but that says nothing of their alignment.

Scum would be dumb to cc miller, unless they were one given the heat millers get.

What in the world is a scum miller?

[Elbirn]

It'd actually be a pretty interesting play for two scum to claim miller knowing that town wouldn't have the balls to lynch them for it. Might even have the effect of the ones claim being believed after the other dies. And deters alignment checking roles which there are sure to be in a role madness

*popcorns*

[Elbirn]

If two scum claimed miller, and one died, there is almost no way that town would ever lynch the other. They'd just congratulate themselves on having guessed right and conftowned someone while catching scum.

This is a much more eloquent way of explaining my thoughts, thanks bae

@shiro: if you had an inventive scumteam, I'm sure they would convince you to fakeclaim and gambit. You not lying as town doesn't mean you don't lie as scum.

And yeah, an inventive scumteam would try to draw a doctor off of town and on to...scum.......

Wait if a doctor protects you
You would have confirmation when that happens via you receiving your abilities.

Never mind stream of conscious thoughts, I was thinking that a doc protect on you followed by your confirmation could confirm you as not lying

But then you could be scum with amnesia. Meh

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sharky

[Elbirn]

I don't see why that's a problem

nice.....this is scum. This just outed. Town needs explanation to do stuff. Only scum can benefit from no explanation. Lynch this.

Or I'm town and therefore don't need to explain myself because I'm not here to impress you

And if someone sees my vote and then reads into him and sees something themself, and then they explain it, then I also get to have a budding townread on someone

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sharky

Rather than give a reason for his vote, he chooses to not explain, leaving everyone else to look very carefully into my single post for a nonexistant explanation.

I don't see why that's a problem

I'm happy with my Sharky scum read and dice townread

[Elbirn]

So wait which of the following scenarios is what is happening

1. You think 3 dice is scum because he won't explain his vote on you

2. You think I'm scum because I won't explain my vote on Sharky

3. Both


If the answer isn't both (I believe it's door number 1), then why not? I'm doing the same thing as dice but then you say that you're not talking about me, and then seem almost conspiratory by suggesting that I should explain so I don't get lynched.

[Elbirn]

So this is the game where we place naked votes and give no explanation for them. Okay then

VOTE: Elbirn

Here's a naked vote. I will not give any reason why and expect you not to ask for any reason why whatsoever.

Oh lol nvm

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn Both.

I'm okay with this.

[Elbirn]

But there is an explanation for your vote. Your vote is justified by you taking issue with me not explaining my vote. You have a stated reason.

Unless you're asking if I'm really okay with me not explaining my own vote, which I clearly am.

And if you or Sharky flip investigative I fail to see how that's relevant at all or why that would get me lynched...?

[Elbirn]

No duh. Who would benefit more from death of investigative, town or scum?!

Scum obviously, but that's not what you said. What you said was that if you or snarky died and flipped investigative, this would reflect poorly on me. Why?

And please inform me what justifies 3dice vote on me then? The fact that I voted him? lol.....

Unless it's a random vote, in which case, I apologize.

He can speak for himself on that, I'm no mind reader. But I can see for myself a few issues based on what he quoted in that post, and I don't think it was omgus.

[Elbirn]

It'd actually be a pretty interesting play for two scum to claim miller ...

Remember when Varsoon and I did that?

We CC'd each other, I got lynched and flipped Scum. For some reason Town decided that since I flipped Scum, Varsoon was obvtown.

That was so physically painful for me to watch from the dead thread when I got killed the night after that lynch. I've never wanted someone more dead than then, and only drixx was right about varsy.

/fluff

[Elbirn]

Hey elbirn, how do you feel about naked votes?

Big fan

[Elbirn]

Jeanne we get it you're investigative please please PLEASE stop telegraphing it everywhere fuck

[Elbirn]

Jeanne we get it you're investigative please please PLEASE stop telegraphing it everywhere fuck

fuck you too, person who wants me lynched despite professing to know something which I made up on a spot.

Jeanne I have never at any point voted you or called for your head or even implied you were scum or ANYTHING. Disagreeing does not mean I think you are scum.

[Elbirn]

yet you agreed with 3dice who was voting me.

p-edit: lol, you misread.

Huh you got me.

It's like...I can see why 3dice would vote you based on those posts, but I personally wouldnt, and given these latest posts of yours I'm not feeling like you're scum.

So basically I see reasons, and I see a possible thought process he could have, and I get it, but I don't think it makes you scum.

If that makes sense, which it doesn't.

Tldr Jeanne I'm not lynching you I'm lynching sharkey, unless your next post explicitly states that I should not lynch sharkey.

[Elbirn]

And move elbirn and dice to the top right?

Unless your list is upside down for some reason

[Elbirn]

I'm disappointed. You guys are actually town-reading me even though I admitted I was PMuch active-lurking.

I think you have balls for admitting to lurking this early, so yes, I'm town-lean on you, Diamond.

A fart on both of you.

Game hasn't even been open 24 hours and youre posting more than a lot of people who haven't even checked in. That's not lurking, and giving DS credit for it is really, reaaaallly paper thin, tn.

[Elbirn]

Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

How so?

[Elbirn]

@Jeanne: you never told me if I should stop voting Sharky or not.

@DS: how are insults mixed with content indicative of scum, as opposed to being a snarky or agressive play style?

[Elbirn]

@DS post 305, I actually liked that post a fair bit. What makes it the worst post so far in your opinion? Or was that just empty snark as a result of her pushing on you?

[Elbirn]

1. I'm not sure if I really, really like role play guy or if I want to strangle him

2. I will do literally anything for the two of you to both get an avatar.

Anything.

*winks*

[Elbirn]

Not sure if I've missed something

Or DS' reading comprehension blows ass-water

*squinty face*

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Guys quick, where should my vote be?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Guys quick, where should my vote be?

TN5421

Gosh, probably
VOTE: TN5421

C'mon, put me at L-1 so that I can claim and we could leave this stuff behind.

Jeanne. Stop. As respectfully and as firmly as I can say it, stop. You are not in danger of dying, and your extreme and irrational fear of death is detrimental. Deep breaths gurl. You're not dying today, you're probably not dying for a while, you're certainly not dying in day play (lynches) cuz Ima fight the fuck outta that shit cuz I'm pretty sure you're town here. Keep a clear head. You're good. It's like 9 votes to lynch. You don't need to worry unless you get 8 on you. Which won't happen.

Dice and Errant, iirc

Wrong pal it was me all along, I am the ohter miller claim. My record is pretty heavy . I .I ugh have done stuff All forms of authorities pretty much hate me and so do I. *drinks from flask*

"What are you doing here?", said Elbirn to Shiro, whom he found settled down in silence before a collection of empty bottles and also a collection of full bottles.

"I am drinking," replied Shiro with a lugubrious air.

"Why are you drinking?", demanded Elbirn.

"So that I may forget," replied Shiro.

"Forget what?", inquired Elbirn, who was already feeling very sorry for him.

"Forget that I am ashamed", confessed shiro, hanging his head.

"Ashamed of what?", insisted Elbirn, who wanted to help him.

"Ashamed of drinking!" Shiro brought his speech to an end, and shut himself up in an impregnable silence.

And Elbirn went away, puzzled.

"The grown-ups are certainly very, very odd", he said to himself, as he continued his journey.

[Elbirn]

Do you think there'd be two millers in a game?

have you never seen or heard of this happening before? how much of your shiro vote here is (was?) serious

I've never played a setup that had even 1 miller before. Unless you wanna count that game with a mafia godfather miller and an insane cop. I sure don't. But yeah my impression is that millers aren't commonly used?

My shiro vote was vaguely serious because miller claims and I kinda kept pretending to be serious about it for a little bit I think but nah now that I've figured out his flavor he's definitely town. I just don't understand why his character would be amnesiac..

[Elbirn]

Is this game bastard? I was under the impression it wasn't. Not that millers are bastard, just I want to know what to expect and I guess that name would make more sense if the mod was out to fuck us

[Elbirn]

@Elbrin

Have you really ? I mean you are right to be confused about the amnesiac part, I was a bit confused on it myself but your thingie didn't make that much sense for the character. I cannot recall a similar scene

Oh my thingy was just me playfully combining two references, don't pay it any mind it was only funny to me.

But ~☆trust☆~, I 100% definitely know your flavor it's so obvious I can't even take credit for it.

Shiro let's be masons

I can be your sidekick and help your brainwaves or something

Shiro and elbirn, 100 years of shiro and Elbirn .com

[Elbirn]

>Godfathers are scum

Stop the presses.

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn @Shiro can I join the masonry?

Aren't you afraid of shiro or something?

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn @Shiro can I join the masonry?

Aren't you afraid of shiro or something?

I town-read her here. We all town-read each other here, so why can't I be honorary masons with you both.

I was gonna have some blabla about you being paranoid and afraid of everyone, and that phobia coming specifically from a past game with shiro, and therefore you should fear shiro more than anything and therefore your townread is odd

But now I don't care

[Elbirn]

Your push on both millers being scum claims makes me feel terrible about you. I knew one miller must be honest about being a miller, so I don't like you pressuring both like that.

~Titus

Except I previously recanted and shiro is my homeboy for life, soo..?

Admittedly I'm null on errant, and yeah you got me, I was being snarky earlier when I didn't like two miller claims, but I've since reevaluated.

[Elbirn]

Drunkposting is fine as long as it's followed with something of value when they're not drunk. I'm waiting for shiro to say something insightful.

Drunk posting is a god send and invaluable in the game of mafia

I bet you call can't wait till I'm too drunk to stand on Saturday, yet I'm still somehow phone posting in here

Shits gonna be great

Anyway shiro is just role playing don't mind him

[Elbirn]

>Jeanne hints egregiously that she and Sharky are both investigative, or somehow related, with her insistence that lynching either of them results in the loss of an investigative pr
>I directly ask Jeanne multiple times if I should stop voting for Sharky, maybe they're masons or something, all I needed was her word and I'd move on
>Jeanne says *nothing*
>I move on with my life anyway
>many moons pass
>Jeanne votes Sharky and then claims paranoid gun owner

....

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jeanne11

[Elbirn]

I wish I could double vote, my feels say that I want Sharky dead like yesterday, like I read his words and I'm like "God you're scum"

But I can't overlook Jeanne being bullshit like that

I wholeheartedly support the death of both of them, please more votes on Jeanne and sharky

[Elbirn]

>Jeanne hints egregiously that she and Sharky are both investigative, or somehow related, with her insistence that lynching either of them results in the loss of an investigative pr
>I directly ask Jeanne multiple times if I should stop voting for Sharky, maybe they're masons or something, all I needed was her word and I'd move on
>Jeanne says *nothing*
>I move on with my life anyway
>many moons pass
>Jeanne votes Sharky and then claims paranoid gun owner

....

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jeanne11

And this is why I said I would get lynched when one vote is placed on me. See how the votes are piling up? Yeah, dice, that's what I was talkin' about.

Respond to my post instead of bitching about the fact that you're being voted. I'm only more confident in my vote when you refuse to engage any points against you and merely complain that you're being lynched.

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn - Do you think there is a pgo in this game?

And if so, do you think it could be scum aligned?

There could be a PGO...? I would see no reason to think why or why not there would or would not be one. If there were one I would not think it would be scum aligned.

If you're asking if I think Jeanne is a PGO, probably not, I think she's contradicted herself and is lying scum.

@Elbirn - Can you respond to my previous question? Also, why are you suddenly interested in Jeanne as opposed to earlier in the game?

Because events happened that have gotten my interest. Like Jeanne blatantly bullshitting.






OH HEY guys I got a laptop, I can now actually play this game instead of phone posting like a scrub

[Elbirn]

*claps hands* Time for a survey.

Where are you going for holidays?
What's your favorite food?
Do you believe in God?
Which present would you like the most?




nachos nachos nachos nachos The Santa Claus is here, ho ho ho. Merry Christmas to everybody. Santa knows the truth, and he left a message. A message that says 'don't visit just anybody, for a stranger might kill you. Be good children and don't go with a stranger if he asks you too. He'll take you to his house, murder you and sell your body parts in black market'.

The children look at the note, bewildered. They huddle up in blankets. The next day, they find Santa Claus decapitated, a stranger standing over his body.

"He tried to warn you about me." Freddy Krueger says with a slasher grin "So I decapitated him."

The children scream as the title of the movie rolls in "Nightmare on Elm Street: Christmas on Elm Street"

-x-

This has been Jeanne's chosen horror Christmas story. It may or may not contain info about Jeanne's role in this game. Also, have some nachos. Freddy Krueger himself made them especially for you.

By the way, anyone here familiar with Anita Halley?

What in the hell does Freddy Krueger have to do with anything here?

[Elbirn]

@elbirn - Jeanne has been doing blatant actions all game and has just been called out on it from the very beginning. Why is what she's doing now any more voteworthy than what she did before?

So I'm lit like a Christmas tree as promised

SnysY Jeann actions have been clearly more explicit as of late and as I've stayed in my fake green text list

[Elbirn]

one hour later

no more posts


how do you people sleep at night?

not well I hope.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE: Jeanne[/vote]
VOTE: Sharky

[Elbirn]

Either way the answer is yourself.

[Elbirn]

Meaning why don't you know?

nothing of elbirn's has been indicative to me of scum. or town.

anyone want to talk

Your lack of an opinion on me is really poopy. You're telling me nothing I've done gives you any indication at all to my alignment?

[Elbirn]

Oh, so I'm pretty sure eap claim is a trap meant for me

Cuz I joined this game so that me and varsoon could be town buddies, and it was joked that "well one of us will have to roll cop so that they can clear the other and be Def town"

It's such an obtuse way to confirm an alignment and I don't believe it.

[Elbirn]

Oh, so I'm pretty sure eap claim is a trap meant for me

Cuz I joined this game so that me and varsoon could be town buddies, and it was joked that "well one of us will have to roll cop so that they can clear the other and be Def town"

It's such an obtuse way to confirm an alignment and I don't believe it.

Oh hey so
Nobody target eap tonight k?

[Elbirn]

You left me out of your list you meanie
What am I

[Elbirn]

Yaknow

At first I was like "demanding a claim from someone not at l-1 with intent to hammer is really scummy"

And then I was like "lul idc". The actions are bad, but the way RP is going about this feels me with good feels and sharkys reaction is really bad

[Elbirn]

So are we all mass claiming? I'm confused as to the point of RP claiming.

No, just Sharky cuz he's a scummybutt.

Rps claim is (I hope) fake and used as an example

[Elbirn]

also i have a throwaway day action that i can use to test varsoon's claim. it quite literally does nothing other than the fact that it technically targets a player

So a fruit vendor?

Honestly tho cuz nah I wanted to do it tonight

[Elbirn]

1. Varsoon is my waifu
2. I lied he's not trapping me
3. Reasons I can not divulge at this moment make me doing it more optimal than if anyone else were to do it
4. I don't have any reason to trust zMuffinMan at this point, he's been lurkylurky pretty hard and hasn't done anything to fill me with good feels

[Elbirn]

Also I'm a reflexive friendly neighbor but only to the first person who targets me so whoever wants to confirm me as town can go ahead and do that.
The way it's worded is a little weird, you might not get confirmation until the night phase or following day or something I'll ask Dram but yeah

er... going to force myself to read this in about 12 hours (i think im about 42 pages behind so ill pick up from there) and, failing that, i'll start taking applications for my vote

also i have a throwaway day action that i can use to test varsoon's claim. it quite literally does nothing other than the fact that it technically targets a player

It seems odd to me that muffins first post after edgars claim wouldn't state "oh yeah I have the perfect ability for that!"

it's not a fruit vendor, it just does nothing

i am interested in how "first person to target" works with multiple actions though

1. I admittedly am the wisest of all the Greeks for I alone know that I know nothing, but isn't that what a fruit vendor is?

2. NAR I presume?

[Elbirn]

Low post number =/= lurking.

Zmuffin has had a lot of content.

Who should Sharky give a desperado to?

1. I'm not certain I agree with that...he's got 15 posts, of which 10 of them were either pregame or are him saying "I'll catch up later". I don't find lurkylurky to be a scumtell, but it doesn't give me much confidence in him.

I will begrudgingly admit that his 3 or so good content posts were, well, good content. Hrm. I just need more of him in my life.

2. Sharky should give a desperado to ooo himself? Or if not possible, to TN.

3. Reasons I can not divulge at this moment make me doing it more optimal than if anyone else were to do it

Point 3 is almost definitely wrong.

it really isn't.

[Elbirn]

Elbirn, we shall discuss in post game.

Desperado should indeed go to tn, but who would we want him to desperado?

.....sharky?

[Elbirn]

Wait if sharky can actually lucid dream bullshit roles does that make him town

Fuck idk

Desperado parabola I don't like her this game

[Elbirn]

Sharky should dream for one of the millers to be an innocent child instead

Boom

[Elbirn]

While I do not know if giving a compulsive day one desperado gun is legal, I know 100% that I can perform a desperado shot today.

So now you're claiming you're also already a desperado...

Or that you can dream that you yourself are a desperado

But I'm pretty sure it was stated earlier you could only affect another player..?

:/

[Elbirn]

Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

Hey DS stop being fucking obtuse and respond to this mystery scumread and what it's based on

[Elbirn]

btw, if i'm not the one targeting varsoon to confirm what he's claiming (though honestly my throwaway ability is probably the best to do it since it wastes no actions), i would prefer it to be literally anyone but elbirn. i get a bad tingly sensation when i look at him saying no because he wanted to do it and tbh id rather just confirm it myself

Maybe I wanna do it because I'm not you and can't trust information you give

Maybe I think it's way too convenient that you have a useless one shot ability which the only possible utility for is this situation

...

Maybe I don't feel like arguing about this anymore because it'd be really fucking stupid for scum-muffin to lie about, or for scum-muffin and scum-varsoon to plot this fake alignment confirming thing that relies on varsoon never ever dying otherwise town gets two scum dead.

[Elbirn]

This game is devolving quickly, so I'm just going to admit this right now.

I will be active lurking/prod dodging until RP is dead

If you guys want to talk to me again, you know how to get ahold of me. If RP is night killed, I might actually continue doing so, because that means mafia wants me back, ergo I'm performing poorly.

But I digress. I WILL NOT play in a game of this low quality. I will also not replace out because I don't particularly want to.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

[Elbirn]

*popcorns*

[Elbirn]

BANG!

tn5421 [MASTIN2],

Ocassionally Blocked Immunizer Goon

, has been killed Day 1!

Day is extended by 1 day. Votes are reset.

Why is mastiin's name in brackets here. Why has no one asked what this means either.

The fuck does that role mean.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I've been looking things over and this is the way to go. If you'll bare with me I'm gonna grab my laptop so I can be efficient as shit in showing you why she's scum instead of doing all of this on my phone.

<3

[Elbirn]

Guys fuck don't lynch Klingon till I prove she's scum I wanna seem smart.

Also it took me ages cuz I got distracted but I'm finally on my laptop

[Elbirn]

*Cracks knuckles* okay so here's what I'm seeing.

190, 191, 429, 1702

Here we see the Klingon in her natural habitat
Doing fuck all except vaguely implying the millers are scum.

There is no other scumhunting done in her entire ISO aside from a vote on Roleplay for "Throwing shit at the wall" in 711, whatever that means.

Just popping in to say that I'll be just popping in for the next few days. All things relating to the holiday are my responsibility.

I am reading and keeping up.

I think Jeanne is Town and needs to eat a Xanax. I don't get the pressure on TN5421.

Oh boy, defending TN.

Besides, I will never go after tn.

Because why?

Because he's town?

VOTE: Roleplay25

For throwing too much at the wall trying to make something stick.

And what WAS this anyway? Klingon questions Jeanne defending TN and then there is zero follow up and she plops a vote on RP and calls it a day. This interaction feels really weird and with TN flipping scum it's like whaaa. Jeanne might need a look for this as well, I can't recall if this has been brought up.

This is a bullshit excuse to remove a bullshit made up post restriction.

Sharky definitely has a post restriction.

Edgar Allan Pro does too, fyi.

This is a bullshit excuse to remove a bullshit made up post restriction.

Sharky definitely has a post restriction.

Edgar Allan Pro does too, fyi.

Are they not in your PT, giving you this inside information?

I don't have a PT.

The info came with my role PM, EAP and Sharky have some sort of post restrictions. I have zero info on their roles and alignments.

Why does it take Klingon so long to reveal this?

... KC, you are going to be lynched today unless you show up and wow us. Like, seriously. Nobody thinks your town right now(except LH I guess, but they've been uncharacteristically quiet and ineffective (that is, they're not pushing for any of the answers to the questions they have, just throwing them out there and letting them get lost in the noise), so they're not going to be saving you with the level of faith I currently have in them)), so you should probably do something. Like, useful and stuff. Engage with the game.

Well excuuuuuuse me for celebrating a couple holidays with way too many people in the house all week.

I'm Town. I'm so fucking Town it's ridiculous.

I'm catching up and then I'll run through what I have so far.

Don't expect wowness, it's not like anyone's wowing me so far.

If zmuffin has targeted me, dram hasn't let me know about it yet.

Mastin and Titus. Hell, Drixx and Hiplop are no slouch.

The quality of content from either hydra is... err... yeah.

Still want KC dead mind you.

I'm so Town it's ridiculous.

You have zero credibility now.

And then Klingon resorts to her act of insisting that "I'm obviously town" AtE blabla. Nah she's scum asserting something untrue, loudly, in hopes that we'll believe it and fuckoff. She's not obviously town.

The rest of her ISO is a slog of fluff and nothing and insults.

[Elbirn]

@Cerb/Elbrin,

I know how to read Klingon. Now, which of you gets lynched first is up to Drixx.

[Elbirn]

Dumbasses.

I get slammed at home all week and you try to vote me off?

@dramonic

Confirm Innocent, please.

UNVOTE:

Pending Dram's confirmation..

[Elbirn]

@Varsy: so regardless of whatever shenanigans, muffin is town? The role card says (to paraphrase) "hi im zMuffinMan and my alignment is town and also here are my abilities"?

Also..wait so you're not a friendly neighbor and muffin doesn't know your alignment, you just know his?

[Elbirn]

Varsoon lies and bullshits and gambits as scum. Looks like we'll continue our tradition of me scumreading you every single game, bb.

Also I think it's odd that we'd have an innocent child, and a role cop that....is town and gets alignments and can thus confirm one person? It's weird but it overlaps.

Claiming the bp bodyguard shit doesn't make sense if you'd want to get any utility out of the role.

....... :/

[Elbirn]

So varsy bay bee, what do you think would have happened if muffin was a godfather? If he was a miller?

[Elbirn]

But didn't muffin also get to confirm EAP or did I miss something? I mean they certainly are the same alignment, and that seems to be a really risky gambit for scum to play.

Presume EAP scum and is a reflexive role cop. Or Just a day role cop. Zmuffin is town. EAP gets muffin's role, and then goes "Oh yeah and he's town too!" which isn't what his role did but seeing as he's scum, he knows zmuffin's alignment already and can make a claim like that.

I'm babbling but the point is this could be a ruse where muffin is town and once EAP dies, muffin becomes lynch material because "lol scum lied".

Ya know what I mean? Point is they're not necessarily the same alignment. Not at all.

[Elbirn]

DS is town. Jeanne is town. Scum pushed Kling based on lies.

So who is up for a Cerb or Elbrin lynch?

~Titus

Are you two going to actually do anything or just keep repeating this?

You're both extremely competent players and I find it hard to believe that this is the best you can do, i.e. nothing.

Sell me on cerb in your next post or claim scum

[Elbirn]

Side note I buy ds claim, actually.

[Elbirn]

I am not selling you on Cerb being your buddy.

VOTE: Elbrin

So many lies about Klingon by you both. You both pushed this was scum Klingon in direct contradiction to any town player seeing that game.

Verb's even lying about not having pushed Klingon. Oh wait, he's active lurking and avoiding voting by his self imposed anti-town behavior so he can claim he never pushed it.

You want a fight Elbrin. You v me. Let's go.

Who defended obvtown Klingon? Who had a vote on scum pre desperado shot? Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?

Who pushed town based on lies? Wanted to chain lynch millers?

Fight us.

(I would be voting Cerb but Drixx thinks Cerb isn't that helpful to D3 and says to let Cerb go).

~Titus

I didn't ask you to sell cerb as my buddy, I told you that if you think cerb is scum, engage with me and convince me. What else would you want me to do, ask you to convince *me* that I'm scum? But instead I got the above post which is an awful lot of shite, and then a boring multi quote of cerb posts with not much in the way of extrapolation. Fight me irl nerd.

VOTE: Learned Hand

1. How in creation did I EVER lie about klingon? And what majick knowledge should I have of her based on "that other game"? (Suikoden?)

2. "Who defended obvtown klingon?" In what world was she obviously town and why is that worth any fucking credit? You're scum, you knew her alignment already.

3. "Who had a vote on scum pre-desperado shot?" Uhh. Me. For a long time. Same with jeanne, davsto, rp, and cerb I think. You actually had him voted for exactly one vote count early in the day and I can't recall you pushing him at all really. I can research this one a bit better when I'm on my laptop but yeah this is obviously you being full of shit.

4. "Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?" Not you. Nice attempt at taking credit.

5. "Who wanted to chain lynch millers?" I think that was klingon actually.....in fact I think I just got done stating that this was all of her work today was doubt casting millers and pushing their death. So I don't understand why you didn't pick up on that and instead want to keep pushing that that person is me, based on one glib implication that the millers could still be scum early on, which I 180'D from shortly after and declared one of them my besties actually. This point is not only you having cognitive dissonance in your application of it to me and no one else, but also you pretty much lying about my actions to make me look like shit

6. "Who pushed town based on lies?"

You.

I've gotten everything I need here, your slot is scum and I won't rest till you're dead. Pleasure as always titus.

[Elbirn]

Actually, I Learned Hand can wait for tomorrow. I'd rather lynch this.

VOTE: Diamond why are you talking about how scummy a confTown in?

VOTE: Itlepip

I'm not seeing it. Diamond scumreading a mod confirmed innocent child at best indicates a lack of awareness in the game (which may be a scum tell), seeing as how in the post itlepip responded to, DS didn't even mention that "roles are negative so this might be a lie", all he said was klingon is scummy. It wasn't until after itlepip response that DS humbled something about "well the game is miserable after all". At worst, yeah DS is casting doubt on a mod confirmed innocent. Which could be trying to breakup the trust in someone that town now knows to be one of them. "Gee Klingons town awesome!" "But guys she might not be! D:" "ooo you're right DS"

I don't think that would have worked. It obviously did not. But I could see DS thinking it would.

There's an obvious theoretical upside to a scum-DS doing this on purpose, and if it's an accident I'd find it all the more likely to come from heads-up-butt scum.

...sigh but then there's the matter of would scum-DS think to do this in the first place. If I were scum....well Id accept information as it comes in as being true and then I leave it. I'd have a hard time thinking that I could push an angle where klingon isn't actually IC.

Are you still reading this babbling, everyone? Stop it it means nothing go away

[Elbirn]

What cerb said, Davsto isn't scum. I'd like him to be more useful but his lack of enthusiasm is expected given he can't even vote.

[Elbirn]

....where the hell is Jeanne?

[Elbirn]

Errant shoots davsto tomorrow. No excuses or exceptions made. Solved.

Can we lynch LH now? They're scum. I feel it in my bones.

[Elbirn]

zzzzzzzzzz I shouldn't be in more than one game at once

RP's "Meta" push on Davsto was worse than Biodome

Seriously have you seen that movie? God I'd rather die than watch Biodome again, Pauly Shore can go eat shit

Davsto is far too defensive against being lynched today for someone who actively wants to die and that really bothers me. His insistence that it's "For information" is a load, too.

Oh Shiro's an issue. Here's the thing with Shiro. He claimed Rick from Rick and Morty, basically. If no one else picked up what he was throwing down, whatever. For anyone who's watched that show...Riiiick is a fucking miller. He's an antihero. He's not scum, he's not exactly good either. It makes perfect sense. Claim alone says that's he's town, and I'm not interested in lynching him.

I don't like Elbirn planning out deaths. I'm pretty sure that's scum.

*Chuckles*

This was in response to me saying that Davsto should be a vig instead of a lynch. Which is just....What? Optimizing the death of someone who needs to die, in a discussion being had about when that person should die. He picks me out to make a little snip at me.

What's really telling is that there's zero response to my last post to them where I confidently revealed them to be scum

Nah, they're bad scummybutts kill now

[Elbirn]

This LH/Elbirn argument could not possibly have less life in it. It's like they're going through the motions, poking each other weakly, each knowing the other won't die. With under three days left, is either making the case for the other to be the lynch over Shiro, Itle or Davsto? No. They both have enough experience to know full well what they're doing won't result in a lynch, and yet here they are, going through the motions, not pushing an actual wagon or presenting an actual compelling counterwagon. Just poke, poke, poke, poke. Like straw poll, is anyone giving a shit? No? The town is content to lynch someone other than their supposed "top scum read" (kek) but they just do not care.

Frankly if one is scum then the other is MORE likely to be scum, not less.

Contrast with zMuffin who starts a new wagon and actually tries to get us to join it. Given Itle's response to the votes, I really don't want to (his response was very 'yah, you got me, but I'll go through the motions') but at least he gives a fuck.

LH, Elbirn, shit or get off the pot. We've got two days left, take an actual position.

Who shit in your oatmeal buddy?

I am not selling you on Cerb being your buddy.

VOTE: Elbrin

So many lies about Klingon by you both. You both pushed this was scum Klingon in direct contradiction to any town player seeing that game.

Verb's even lying about not having pushed Klingon. Oh wait, he's active lurking and avoiding voting by his self imposed anti-town behavior so he can claim he never pushed it.

You want a fight Elbrin. You v me. Let's go.

Who defended obvtown Klingon? Who had a vote on scum pre desperado shot? Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?

Who pushed town based on lies? Wanted to chain lynch millers?

Fight us.

(I would be voting Cerb but Drixx thinks Cerb isn't that helpful to D3 and says to let Cerb go).

~Titus

I didn't ask you to sell cerb as my buddy, I told you that if you think cerb is scum, engage with me and convince me. What else would you want me to do, ask you to convince *me* that I'm scum? But instead I got the above post which is an awful lot of shite, and then a boring multi quote of cerb posts with not much in the way of extrapolation. Fight me irl nerd.

VOTE: Learned Hand

1. How in creation did I EVER lie about klingon? And what majick knowledge should I have of her based on "that other game"? (Suikoden?)

2. "Who defended obvtown klingon?" In what world was she obviously town and why is that worth any fucking credit? You're scum, you knew her alignment already.

3. "Who had a vote on scum pre-desperado shot?" Uhh. Me. For a long time. Same with jeanne, davsto, rp, and cerb I think. You actually had him voted for exactly one vote count early in the day and I can't recall you pushing him at all really. I can research this one a bit better when I'm on my laptop but yeah this is obviously you being full of shit.

4. "Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?" Not you. Nice attempt at taking credit.

5. "Who wanted to chain lynch millers?" I think that was klingon actually.....in fact I think I just got done stating that this was all of her work today was doubt casting millers and pushing their death. So I don't understand why you didn't pick up on that and instead want to keep pushing that that person is me, based on one glib implication that the millers could still be scum early on, which I 180'D from shortly after and declared one of them my besties actually. This point is not only you having cognitive dissonance in your application of it to me and no one else, but also you pretty much lying about my actions to make me look like shit

6. "Who pushed town based on lies?"

You.

I've gotten everything I need here, your slot is scum and I won't rest till you're dead. Pleasure as always titus.

I'm just gonna keep posting this. LH is full of shit, they're scum, the end.

"B-but if they're town they're an asset!", says everyone

Fuck you and your couch, they're not town and I don't care.

Forgot DS still has a shit wagon. Yeah no voting there either.

@EAP

1) Lied about Klingon meta to push case on obvious town
2) Tried to focus on Millers because they claimed millers when scum don't usually claim Miller on D1.
3) Attempted to save TN
4) Circle jerk defend each other
5) Have been pushing Jeanne and riling her up
6) Pushed wagon on town DS

Elbrin voted TN once. That's the only redemming thing there and it looks like a bus.

If you could show where I did any of those things, instead of filling the thread with lies
That'd be great


No really I shouldn't even have to dignify this with a response it is literally all lies and none of those things happened.

[Elbirn]

Bus vote on TN.

One comment about TN being paper thin but largely pushes DS and Jeanne who are both likely town. Tried to save TN by suggesting Sharky give Desperado to himself.

You also admitted you double pushed the millers but said Shiro homeboy for life. Now when deadline approaches, tune changes.

1. "Bus vote on tn"

*Walter white* Ya got me

/sarcasm, I don't give a fuck that that was a bad vote, if I didn't want to vote tn or think he was scum, I wouldn't have. I got to be lulzy cuz someone suggested it. Fuck I don't have to explain this.

2. Holy shit titus you are not this dense, read that post again and tell me how whiteknighting Jeanne to shut her up is the same as pushing her lynch. I explicitly state she wasn't being lynched today and I wouldn't allow it. You can fuck RIGHT off.

As for DS I don't see how tsk tsk'ing him early on is this massive push that you make it out to be, I never voted the fucker and stayed well away from his wagon and I've actually stated recently that I don't see him as scum if I'm not mistaken.

Give desperado gun to tn is saving him. When if he shoots town he dies. Uh huh. Yup you got me absolutely.

3. Yeah I had one glib post that you won't fuck off about that I quickly changed my mind on. Now shiro is town and Errant is town (for now) for shooting fucking scum. Fuck off.

I'm going to work, bai

Pedit/ I'm not even reading the great Wall of pedit and I won't be reading this shit fest for a while, good luck guys and remember to lynch LH

[Elbirn]

Riiiick is a fucking miller. He's an antihero. He's not scum, he's not exactly good either. It makes perfect sense. Claim alone says that's he's town, and I'm not interested in lynching him.

are you saying he can't be scum because of flavour or are you saying you think dramonic wouldn't have given him that role if he rolled scum or are you saying you don't think he could have come up with that if he's scum?

I'm saying he ain't scum because one of two things happened

1. He picked rick. Dram went "oh shit that's a great miller role", and so it was.

And don't give me this "millers can be scum" shit I will hurt people

2. He picked not rick, rolled scum, then decided as scum that he was going fakeclaim miller (a wtf move) and then picked flavor that made sense as miller

...

.....which really isn't that unreasonable oh gdi shiro

Chronology is hard Elbrin. You said Jeanne was never going to be lynched and then voted her later.

Oh yeah, I forgot that happened, considering you didn't fucking link it and instead linked me defending her and said it was me pushing her. Great job!

As for me changing my mind no shit I changed my mind I outlined why I did in that very post and it was very good reasons I'll have you know

[Elbirn]

@Elbrin you are townreading me for my flavour when you were scolding me for doing the same for the hood in twilight zone mafia. Mind explaining?

I'm delightfully mad?

I would make the argument that I'm townreading you for role as well. It's not "Well your flavor is this so you're town", it's "Your flavor is this, AND your role is this, which very much jives with your flavor and is a town role (Don't fucking tell me scum millers exist that isn't real), so I buy it"

Your last minute push on me is really fucking sketch bro, why does it not bother you until deadline?

Personally I find it really off putting that he town reads me based on flavour when he was the one that scolded me for doing it.

I dunno,

I just find him a little off putting this Game

.

Bull-fucking-shit, since when?

[Elbirn]

@ZMuffin, Those aren't

town

thought processes. I pushed for the miller claims to see who would jump. Scum would love to lynch the millers in succession. When I call him on this, he says Shiro is his homeboy for life.

As deadline approaches, he's back to miller hysteria.

He took the same approach with Jeanne. Never going to vote her and then does when it's easy.

The negative utility comments regarding reflexive BG rolecop are subtle jabs at EAP, and I don't get why you townread them.

While one can be a scum miller, it's unlikely unless multiball. Shiro's posting doesn't look scummy to me.

Holy christ

It's more lies! God in heaven Titus if you're town you can literally eat a bag of dicks.

Where in the everloving fuck have I pushed Errant OR Shiro or claimed that they should be lynched or were scum or even fucking interacted with them in the past 24 hours aside from me telling you that I'm not pushing them? Die in a fire, you are lying. Your push against me is lies. You're fucked cuz I know you're scum and you're trying to get me lynched in day play so you don't have to NK me.

I vote Jeanne when it was easy? I VOTED JEANNE WHEN SHE FUCKED UP. I OUTLINED WHY AND HOW SHE FUCKED UP.

Oh hey look it's you agreeing that scum miller's don't exist, so I'm right to think Shiro is town. you said something that isn't bullshit. Have a cookie Titus.

[Elbirn]

That's an indicator of bussing.

Elbrin never had a reason to vote TN beyond RP was the first to ask him to.

Town justify moving their vote. Scum hide. Compare with Sukidoen.

I have errands to run.

Yes

Compare to suikoden.

Where I was town.

Brilliant mate, you're a fucking wizard.

[Elbirn]

I hereby lift my restriction on my hydra partner against going after Cerberus. I had previously told Titus repeatedly that he's terribad at day one and that we should look at him on day three. He's playing outside of expectations now; however, and giving off some pings of the sorts of posts he made when we got assigned scum as our RR hydra.

She's going to be so mad that she is off running errands and I said this right as she posted that, but hey ... that's life.

~Drixx

Make sure that's not an ongoing game mate? You might have just royally fucked up if you did what I think you did.

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn I was waiting for that one. The fact that you didn't want to let me join your pseudo masonry bothers me.

Waiting for what one?

I didn't want to not let you join our fake masonry (that...doesn't exist), I was worried about your mindset of

1. Jeanne doesn't trust anyone
2. Because Shiro tricked her really bad once as scum
3. So naturally now Jeanne trusts shiro

Which doesn't make sense
but then I decided that was stupid

[Elbirn]

Careful, she's about to whine that you're breaking site rules rather than interact.

Yeah I mean
Insults are generally fine in my book
But calling people "retards" isn't PC apparently and people have gotten banned for that before. I'm not gonna argue about the morality of the word retard, I'm just gonna say once that you probably shouldn't call people that.

[Elbirn]

...Eh.

I think that's a stretch at best, and a good mod would merely intervene in the ruckus with a verbal warning. Fishing for mod kills or force replaces would be really unsportsmanlike and I'd like to think people wouldn't do that

.-.

[Elbirn]

Which has to be the change I like the least in MS. Weaponized moderation. Don't like how an argument is going for you? Someone calling you out inconveniently? Is someone pushing a lynch on your buddy? Call the moderator!

People using that are scum. And I don't mean mafia, I mean in terms of personal character.

I'm not bothered by that nearly as much as I'm bothered by the fact that she's literally resorted to lies to push me, which I've never seen her do as either alignment. I thought she was better than that. Like I'm legitimately offended.

[Elbirn]

What the mother fuck is this

[Elbirn]

I prefer leaving anime alliance alive, so.....

VOTE: Elbirn

Okay Diamond obviously is not going to happen here, no point continuing a vanity wagon

VOTE: Elbrin

GREAT VOTES GUYS

ALL OF YA

GOLF STARS FOR ALL OF YOU



EAT SHIT

[Elbirn]

YA GOLF STARS, STARS OF GOLF

*gold

[Elbirn]

You're all really going to let obvious scum titus lynch me on bullshit and "Elbirn has votes, so you should vote him"

Suck a dick, dumbshits

[Elbirn]

It's just because Learned Hand is sitting around on Deadline funneling all these votes to you.
It isn't too hard, Elbirn.
Just sit here and every new page make sure to remind people of the deadline and say "More votes on ____"

Oh shit that's all? Fuck, even I could denounce all logic and do that

Guys deadlines in like 36 hours
More votes on Learned Hand

[Elbirn]

How can I get some Golf Stars?

Vote learned Hand and you'll get 50 golf stars and an A++

[Elbirn]

Seriously

Learned Hand: "here are bald faced lies about elbirn, isn't he scum!"
Me: "Hey, uh, none of that is true :/"
Learned Hand: "see all elbirn does is insist I'm lying, what a scum."
Mindless masses: *nods in agreement, thoughtlessly piles on votes*

[Elbirn]

So I'm Le Petite Prince

Cuz it's my favorite book forealz.

I had wanted a role that would be likely to be innocent child but apparently klingon stole that from me. I won't tell you people what my role does today, but it's confirmable; whoever I target will receive a flavor message, and confirmation that I targeted them, and what I did.

So there's that

[Elbirn]

How can I get some Golf Stars?

Vote learned Hand and you'll get 50 golf stars and an A++

Part of me would like to let her live til tomorrow. I was townreading her pretty hard early, but then as the game moved along I felt the slot's presence fade. I'll re-evaluate your case when I can, but it probably won't be before the deadline.

3dice when you find scum you kill it
Don't give me this "hurr durr she can live till tomorrow"

Fucking you and cerb can stop slobbering on her knob now, she's not town, therefore she can't be a town asset, she's not useful, we kill scum.

[Elbirn]

So I'm Le Petite Prince

Cuz it's my favorite book forealz.

I had wanted a role that would be likely to be innocent child but apparently klingon stole that from me. I won't tell you people what my role does today, but it's confirmable; whoever I target will receive a flavor message, and confirmation that I targeted them, and what I did.

So there's that

Where's the downside?

The part where it's confirmed what I did? Being a public role is bad?

[Elbirn]

Seriously

Learned Hand: "here are bald faced lies about elbirn, isn't he scum!"
Me: "Hey, uh, none of that is true :/"
Learned Hand: "see all elbirn does is insist I'm lying, what a scum."
Mindless masses: *nods in agreement, thoughtlessly piles on votes*

Except anyone who can read your ISO knows I am not lying so...

Except you have
And I've pointed it out when you've done it
Sooooo

[Elbirn]

It's not fruit vendor. It does something.

My votes on scum you cheeky shit

[Elbirn]

If titus isn't scum here

Then christ alive I've lost all respect for you I actually thought you were good at this game

[Elbirn]

All you have done is whine, not highlight lies because there are none to highlight.

Now, you should try casing scum. Oh wait you refuse to bus.

So this is actually incredibly shite

You tell me to highlight lies. I've pointed out your lies when they've occured. Your lies have always been plain text along the lines of "elbirn did this", with no supporting evidence. Burden of proof is on you bucko, not on me to disprove. I call bullshit when I see it and that's all I can do.

As for casing scum, again, I am. Yer scum.

[Elbirn]

Well I would solo vote before Dave.

I am not voting town so...

Oh hey something we can actually agree on

Davsto is town, we don't need to kill him and policy lynching him is dumb. Just treat it like lylo is a day earlier than it actually is and don't waste a lynch on him. Ta daaa

[Elbirn]

So, eh, just curious, what does everyone think would be the single most overpowered single target non game breaking non killing thing you could target someone with that benefits town? Let's call this a thought experiment. Skies the limit, except for the limits I made. Make stuff up.

........................................

...........................







......Cerberus why the fuck did you know Sharkys role here.

[Elbirn]

Elbirn, that might happen. I feel like a lot of people wouldn't mind seeing the slot go, but don't want to hurt town too much if we're wrong, since both those players are strong throughout, and only get stronger as the game goes on. I'm lazy and at work. I know you're saying they're lying, but spell out where and how this is happening. I find it improbable that they'd outright lie as either alignment, but especially unlikely as scum talking about someone elses day play, where it's easily disproven.

I'm on my laptop now and have about an hour before work, so I'll go through quickly and highlight where I believe I'm being bullshitted sadfaces by Titus and Drixx, who I don't hate at all and am just very frustrated with :c Whether they're town or scum I truly believe that their arguments against me are generally bunk and slander.

I would like to use this post really quick to note frustration with the notion that "Titus and Drixx are strong, so we shouldn't lynch them." Like...Fuck, man. This isn't a popularity contest. Titus and Drixx shouldn't get a pass because they have a reputation, they can still be scum. And this is especially frustrating because I really think they're scum here so from my PoV I'm trying to remove two potentially strong SCUM players

"Titus and Drixx are good as town!"
"...Yeah but they're also good as scum."
"BUT THEY'RE GOOD AS TOWN"

Cerb
Cerb pls

[Elbirn]

RP: What other reasons do you have besides the weak ass ones I provided?

You mean besides the fact everything he is doing is weak ass reasoning that goes "someone is playing scummy" rather than "I think someone is scum"? And chainsawing for TN? Yep, that's the reason for my vote. It's all preemptive posturing for the flip. It's not "I think someone is going to flip scum" it gives a perfect out "I just don't understand why town would play so poorly!"

Shall I pull an LH? I won't hammer Elbirn or Shiro even at deadline. We can no lynch if those are the options.

Oh, and that hydra is scum, by the by.

Oh, and that hydra is scum, by the by.

Oh, and that hydra is scum, by the by.

THIS
THIS GREAT JUSTICE

RP, plz. Let's get LH today.

[Elbirn]

I won't move from my only other scumread just because you disagree with it.

p-edit: I think he's scum because, well, his pushes were the players who were already pushed prior to his posts. Also, there is his doubt about how I know I and Sharky were investigative. The answer is, there's no 'and', there is 'or'. I knew one of us is an investigative because that's me. And I was right. Losing either of us is a disadvantage to town.

...Jeanne this doesn't make any sense. Not even a little bit.

You said that losing either you or Sharky would be losing an investigative. Full stop.
I also have zero knowledge of your alignment, therefore even if you are town *I don't know that* and therefore can not know that I'd be pushing town and losing town an investigative role. Which you've completely destroyed the utility of by claiming it early AND claiming who your target tonight is going to be :/

[Elbirn]

I won't move from my only other scumread just because you disagree with it.

p-edit: I think he's scum because, well, his pushes were the players who were already pushed prior to his posts. Also, there is his doubt about how I know I and Sharky were investigative. The answer is, there's no 'and', there is 'or'. I knew one of us is an investigative because that's me. And I was right. Losing either of us is a disadvantage to town.

...Jeanne this doesn't make any sense. Not even a little bit.

You said that losing either you or Sharky would be losing an investigative. Full stop.
I also have zero knowledge of your alignment, therefore even if you are town *I don't know that* and therefore can not know that I'd be pushing town and losing town an investigative role. Which you've completely destroyed the utility of by claiming it early AND claiming who your target tonight is going to be :/

Stop this. You know this is town Jeanne from Sudikoen. You aren't mislynching either of us.

So like
I'm really supposed to be working on that post that Cerb asked for pretty please
So I'm out of this conversation after this post and working on that like really guys work soon I can't do good shit when I'm not laptop-able

But anyway Titus one of my biggest beefs with you, which I hope to highlight later, is the way you craft this narrative about what I'm doing and what my motivations are. Here it's "Elbirn KNOWS that Jeanne is town." And how does Elbirn know that Jeanne is town? "Because Elbirn PLAYED with Jeanne in a previous game. So he should have perfect knowledge of her playstyle and thus he KNOWS her alignment". Uh huuhhhhh. And what am I trying to do by engaging in dialogue with Jeanne here? "Elbirn is trying to MISLYNCH JEANNE!"

None of this makes a damn lick of sense. I don't know Jeanne's alignment. I don't have a fucking clue. I'm also not trying to get her lynched, I'm challenging her logic and her reasons for thinking I am scum, which are absolute bunk.

[Elbirn]

I am not selling you on Cerb being your buddy.

VOTE: Elbrin

So many lies about Klingon by you both. You both pushed this was scum Klingon in direct contradiction to any town player seeing that game.

Verb's even lying about not having pushed Klingon. Oh wait, he's active lurking and avoiding voting by his self imposed anti-town behavior so he can claim he never pushed it.

You want a fight Elbrin. You v me. Let's go.

Who defended obvtown Klingon? Who had a vote on scum pre desperado shot? Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?

Who pushed town based on lies? Wanted to chain lynch millers?

Fight us.

(I would be voting Cerb but Drixx thinks Cerb isn't that helpful to D3 and says to let Cerb go).

~Titus

Titus' dishonest really begins here I feel. This is pretty much the start of Titus V. Elbirn, and it's pretty much nonsense.

Bold 1: Titus seems to be holding this view that by virtue of playing Suikoden with her, Klingon, and Jeanne, I should have perfect knowledge of their alignments. This doesn't make any fucking sense for reasons I shouldn't have to spell out. She spins this narrative wherein I'm LYING about Klingon (How? What? Where? Why?) and that anyone else who saw Suikoden would KNOW Klingon's alignment. The assertion that I am lying is a lie, and it is also completely unproven.

Bold 2: Once again asserting that I am a liar, that I push town on lies (Again unproven) (How am I to know who is town and who isn't, anyway?), and now asserting that I campaigned to chain lynch the two millers. Again unproven, and unfounded. She refers to an early post where I glibly toy with the notion that the millers are fake claiming scum. Maybe that one post really was that bad, fuckmelol. It seems pretty clear to me that I have never, not even once, suggested or pushed for us to lynch both millers, I voted for Shiro once early on and then backed off after deciding he wasn't scum. Errant I have never even touched, and given the scum shot I feel she's (He's?) (I swear s/he had a female pronoun listed when s/he joined the site and now nothing is listed what do) almost certainly town. So the assertion that I want both of them dead is really, really gross. And, again, a lie.

In spoilers, my response to Learned Hand at the time, that I felt summed things up quite nicely, but has apparently been largely glossed over

Spoiler:

I am not selling you on Cerb being your buddy.

VOTE: Elbrin

So many lies about Klingon by you both. You both pushed this was scum Klingon in direct contradiction to any town player seeing that game.

Verb's even lying about not having pushed Klingon. Oh wait, he's active lurking and avoiding voting by his self imposed anti-town behavior so he can claim he never pushed it.

You want a fight Elbrin. You v me. Let's go.

Who defended obvtown Klingon? Who had a vote on scum pre desperado shot? Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?

Who pushed town based on lies? Wanted to chain lynch millers?

Fight us.

(I would be voting Cerb but Drixx thinks Cerb isn't that helpful to D3 and says to let Cerb go).

~Titus

I didn't ask you to sell cerb as my buddy, I told you that if you think cerb is scum, engage with me and convince me. What else would you want me to do, ask you to convince *me* that I'm scum? But instead I got the above post which is an awful lot of shite, and then a boring multi quote of cerb posts with not much in the way of extrapolation. Fight me irl nerd.

VOTE: Learned Hand

1. How in creation did I EVER lie about klingon? And what majick knowledge should I have of her based on "that other game"? (Suikoden?)

2. "Who defended obvtown klingon?" In what world was she obviously town and why is that worth any fucking credit? You're scum, you knew her alignment already.

3. "Who had a vote on scum pre-desperado shot?" Uhh. Me. For a long time. Same with jeanne, davsto, rp, and cerb I think. You actually had him voted for exactly one vote count early in the day and I can't recall you pushing him at all really. I can research this one a bit better when I'm on my laptop but yeah this is obviously you being full of shit.

4. "Who designed the plan that forced a scum death?" Not you. Nice attempt at taking credit.

5. "Who wanted to chain lynch millers?" I think that was klingon actually.....in fact I think I just got done stating that this was all of her work today was doubt casting millers and pushing their death. So I don't understand why you didn't pick up on that and instead want to keep pushing that that person is me, based on one glib implication that the millers could still be scum early on, which I 180'D from shortly after and declared one of them my besties actually. This point is not only you having cognitive dissonance in your application of it to me and no one else, but also you pretty much lying about my actions to make me look like shit

6. "Who pushed town based on lies?"

You.

I've gotten everything I need here, your slot is scum and I won't rest till you're dead. Pleasure as always titus.

I don't like Elbirn planning out deaths. I'm pretty sure that's scum.

I'm not well, and am unlikely to be well before tomorrow at the earliest. Random personal issue that arises occasionally. Nothing I can do but endure it.

~Drixx

Vague, childish jabs and snipes like this have become pretty common. And is once again lies. In a discussion being had about when to kill Davsto and how to do it, he picks me out of it to go "ooo, Elbirn is scummy shit right here, he's PLOTTING DEATHS". You fuken what m8? This is a scum comment plan and simple, he's dragged me out of context, and then made the assertion that my actions are scummy (Why?) (What of, you know, literally everyone else having the same discussion with me including the policy lynch-ee who advocated for himself to be vigged, and with which I was agreeing with him?)

Forgot DS still has a shit wagon. Yeah no voting there either.

@EAP

1) Lied about Klingon meta to push case on obvious town
2) Tried to focus on Millers because they claimed millers when scum don't usually claim Miller on D1.
3) Attempted to save TN
4) Circle jerk defend each other
5) Have been pushing Jeanne and riling her up
6) Pushed wagon on town DS

Elbrin voted TN once. That's the only redemming thing there and it looks like a bus.

1a. How did I lie?
1b. The assertion that Klingon was obvious town prior to her IC reveal is a load of crap, she clearly wasn't or she wouldn't have been wagoned. The assertion that I push on obvious town is basically a lie constructed to make me look like a scummybutt who attacks people who don't deserve it

2. "Focus on millers" = "Made one post about and voted one for all of a day", apparently. "Scum don't claim miller" is just a jug of wine, they can and they will and I'm certain they have before. Not in this game mind you, I'm babbling about the nature of reality. Point is this is not some hard as steel defense for the millers.

3. How in blue blazes did I ever do this, I advocated what we at the time thought was a desperado gun/role be given to TN. If it were a desperado role/gun, TN would have died. When the gun was given to EP instead, call me crazy but I'd think I advocated for TN to be shot.

4. Who? Where? When? Is it Cerb? Yeah Cerb's a good guy I'd rub one out for him. No homo.

5. Which is bad because why?

6. My recollection aint the best but I don't think I've EVER voted or pushed DS.

Oh no wait, I just reread bits of my iso. I have lol DS has been shit this game. What ever happened to that. Yeah my votes on pushes on DS have been rock solid, no regrets.
Oh, but Titus believes that I should somehow have mysterious divine knowledge of DS being town, which she apparently has, so I shouldn't push him. Yup, got it.

Chronology is hard Elbrin. You said Jeanne was never going to be lynched and then voted her later.

This isn't a lie but it's the dumbest thing I've heard. I'm not allowed to re-evaluate my stance on a player based on incoming evidence, basically. I clearly outlined in that post my grievances with Jeanne and acted accordingly. I did no wrong.

That's an indicator of bussing.

Elbrin never had a reason to vote TN beyond RP was the first to ask him to.

Town justify moving their vote. Scum hide. Compare with Sukidoen.

I have errands to run.

I shrug eternally at this. If I didn't think TN was scum I wouldn't have voted him, and I wouldn't have stayed on him for a century. I went about it in a lolsorandumb way and now I look like shit for it, duly noted.

Again, though. Compare me to suikoden guys. Where I was town. Wha.

Elbrin's entire ISO is buddying and pushing for easy town wagons that have been disproven and when all else fails, stick his head in the sand. He has one reasonless vote in his ISO. The guy who flipped scum.

Read along kiddies. We are going through Elbrin's ISO in order.

First, he attacks townread on MassFlop slot. Null by itself.
Second, he posts a Rorschach test.
Third, he posts an argument doubtcasting the millers. I suspected this was scum taking advantage of miller issue and pinged because I knew the game likely had more than one.
Fourth, jumps on Sharky with no reason. Picks a fight over Jeanne stating that town obscure their reasoning and only scum need reasoning.
Fifth, he rolefishes Jeanne but tells her he's never going to be lynched.
Sixth (I am at 193), he buddies Klingon with old memories of past games calling it fluff.
Seventh, distances from TN by doubtcasting both TN and DS leaving room for him to go either way.
Eighth, backs off from Shiro when no one says lynch the millers and tries to exclude obvious town Jeanne from being close yo Shiro by invoking their past games.
Ninth, jumps back to Jeanne hoping for easy lynchbait.
Tenth, he jumps on Sharky because of no reason lol easy wagon.
Eleventh, when Sharky claims and thus not lynchable, Elbrin jumps to DS. He votes DS because DS refuses to put up with Roleplay's shit. This suggest Elbrin benefits from Roleplay's toxic as fuck posting.
Twelve th, Elbrin makes up a whole case against the IC and dismisses her posts as nothing but insults.
Thirteenth, he's back to Shiro bring an OK lynch.

Skip the rest is Elbrin picking a fight with me and calling me a liar.

I can't find one push not on town, like at all. Just toxic defense from those three.

And me doing all of this was supposed to conclude with my addressing every point in this and then I had to go to work. It's 3:20 my time, work starts at 4, it takes 30 minutes to drive to work. Wish me luck, I'm not even dressed yet.

[Elbirn]

Also this "playing close to the vest" stuff is crap. Lynch the millers was a serious discussion back then. Saying "I know there is more than one miller" would be something the town definitely needs to know.

And I claimed it AFTER Elbrin pushed lynch the millers.

*sips tea*

So a gas bubble of doubt has burbled into my gut

What do

[Elbirn]

Oh I forgot I wanted to respond to that! I've been catching up for hours at work between doing shit.

Yeah that post I quoteD is still a lie.

[Elbirn]

Yeah all I've got for ya is this, idk how scum-Learned Hand would know that there are 2 millers. Why would scum have that intel?

[Elbirn]

ZzzzzzzzzzzzZ

UNVOTE:

My woman's intuition says to lynch mass flop or itlpip. Or eap. Fuck idk.

[Elbirn]

LH
Mass flop
Itlepip

There's my lynch pool pick one idgaf

[Elbirn]

I don't see him riling up jeanne, being wrong isn't scummy, and we discussed Sharky shot. Were pip's reasons bad?

How come when pip defends scum it's "being wrong isn't scummy"

But when I push people who you think are town it's "elbirn pushed the wrong people he's scum"

You had another one of these earlier but I forgot it in all the noise, tldr you have some obvious contradictions

[Elbirn]

Pushing a Sharky shot isn't terrible and not a reason to scumread itlepip. The obvious expectation here is that EP isn't going to push a buddy. Like at all.

You are better than this as town. Which makes me think you aren't.

Oh yeah it was this

Like lmao

"Elbirn suggested Sharky or tn be given a desperado gun that's bad"

"Itlepip wanted Sharky shot that's a bad reason to scumread itlepip"

You suck titus :c

[Elbirn]

Elbirn. Please respond regarding your question from before the lock happened.

Yeah I heard ya gimme a sec

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn: I'm very surprised that it took that long for someone to notice that, and sad that I only got two answers, one from dead scum.

I did not know Sharky's role or ability, and my question wasn't a reference to his role or ability. Note, he did not specify that his power did not include killing abilities, and he even said he himself could have made the desperado shot. I did specify non-killing. We're clearly talking about two separate things.

That's...really all there is to say. itlepips appraisal of my post as "curious scum trying to define the power limits of town" is almost accurate, except it's, ya know, "curious town wondering what the hell people could come up with so he can have some basis for the kind of speccing he likes to do." Curious scum wouldn't need to ask a question like that, they'd have knowledge of multiple roles and team size to base all setup spec on.

Okay so this
.....what am I supposed to respond to this with cerb? You responded. My question is answered. The only way you're lying is if you and Sharky are scum and that doesn't make a single drop of fucking sense.

It is an incredibly creepy similarity and I don't buy that you asked for something different than what Sharkys ability is, so there's that. Yeah idk what do I make of this

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Massflop

Choo choo mother lovers, let's make this happen.

[Elbirn]

Fucking

I don't know I just want death

I long to bathe in the blood of my enemies

Massflop is still a scumshit

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Itlepip

[Elbirn]

What are the votes even at?

I'm thinking Massflop is my preferene but idon't even remember why

[Elbirn]

Is no one weirded out by RP calling "itlepip is scum" for an eternity

And then he gets him to l-1 and he wants to swing the wagon over to LH instead?

Just me I guess

EAP is also definitely scum by the way.

Pedit: lol jkaaayyy.

Eap/LH/Massflop/itlepip/tn5421 = team scum, heed my wisdom

[Elbirn]

@roleplay

I mean, I just don't get how there was any faltering on your part at all. Pip gets to l-1, and you pussy foot around for another page and then vote LH stating that "you'll do anything to get a scumread lynched", and then declare that pip is your #1 scumread

Like fuck man if all of that were true why didn't you pull the trigger earlier? Why this inconsistency? What happened?

Also fuck yew I'm the townies town who ever towned :c

[Elbirn]

Fuck. I haven't obvtowned have I? I don't see anybody calling for my head yet. This is weird.

If pip is scum I have no idea what that does to lh.

I personally think that LH is in a worse position D2 if pip flips town than if pip flips scum.
But either way I don't think it swings too much.
Thoughts?

You're not talking to me but I'm interjection anyway

I wouldn't change my view on titus either way if pip flipped town

But if he flips scum hooboy, then we know that was mama titus protecting her young. That's how she operates as scum.

[Elbirn]

Yeah you can post until you've been "flipped". This parts called twilight.

You scum bruv?

[Elbirn]

Titus he's hammered

[Elbirn]

Have Errant Desperado us tomorrow.

Then we will fucking guide you.

Tomorrow we Lynch who Drixx and I want until we are wrong.

Mod basically confirmed that Errant is not desperado.

Shhhhhh

[Elbirn]

But if he flips scum hooboy, then we know that was mama titus protecting her young. That's how she operates as scum.

That's an interesting point to make.
I've heard other people say about Titus that "her survival is most important to her as scum," which I took with a grain of salt because I wasn't able to get that verified.
And in this case, your claim seems to contradict with that.
Has Titus hard defended a scumbuddy D1 when she didn't have a lot of towncred before?

My understanding of titus-scum that I can't be bothered to back up with anything, is that she goes into mama-titus mode and shepherds and protects her young. She doesn't bus if she can help it, she defends her team mates and let's town implode on itself mislynching each other. That's how she plays.

[Elbirn]

@roleplay

I mean, I just don't get how there was any faltering on your part at all. Pip gets to l-1, and you pussy foot around for another page and then vote LH stating that "you'll do anything to get a scumread lynched", and then declare that pip is your #1 scumread

Like fuck man if all of that were true why didn't you pull the trigger earlier? Why this inconsistency? What happened?

Also fuck yew I'm the townies town who ever towned :c

Man like

I don't get the certainty of knowing that I'm 100% right, 100% of the time.

I'm not, and anyone who thinks they are

Is wrong.

Okay but like

That still isn't a response to what I just said, you'll do anything to get a scumread lyncyed. Unless they're at l-1 and youre holding the hammer, that's when you go for scumread #2.

????????

Like I can get having a bubble of doubt come burbling up from your insides, but your mission statement didn't reflect doubt, it was

1. I'll do anything to lynch scum
2. Itlepip is 80% likely scum, Titus is 65% (or some other made up percentages)

Like
Man you contradicting yourself

[Elbirn]

Fuck y'all. Please vig me tomorrow. Town is dumb. There was no reason for that lynch.

There was zero scum evidence. I cased Elbrin and was spammed out and fucking ignored.

Have Errant Desperado us tomorrow.

Then we will fucking guide you.

Tomorrow we Lynch who Drixx and I want until we are wrong.

If we die Cerb Elbrin Mass Flop is lynch pool.

Picking up slips.

Mass Flop is scum. He was the lynch that would have compromised everyone. Instead, people voted pip. The people suggesting Flop in my pool has zero intention of lynching scum. No one made a comment on how I provided zero reason for flop beyond compromise. Why? Because itepip was the scum mislynch like I said all along.

Elbrin is scum for why I outlined. If RP is town, Elbrin is double scum trying to push lh v RP. Now that RP isn't focused solely on proving me wrong, his posts have improved. I hope it continues into tomorrow.

I still think Errant is desperado. If not, the optimal play is to shoot Sparky as the language I suggested was unambiguous.

I didn't push RP v. LH, I pushed LH.

I'll help you bus Flop tomorrow

Errant still isn't a desperado

[Elbirn]

Like you people actually sleep at night...

ErrantParabola [CHRYSSALID],

Miller Pseudo-Bookie

, Chose death over... that...

It is now Day 2! There are 14 left alive, so it is 8 to lynch! 14 day deadline, as usual.

kill flavor is not random. Pseudo means fake, read a dictionnary!
srsly though, bookies generally get extra nightkills, but he got extra votes instead.

quote="In post 2906, dramonic"]

I... don't understand the question. Like he controls an extra vote or something, it doesn't seem CRAZY to me.
and yes, that would be bastard RP.

[/quote]

"When a Chryssalid kills a human (a civilian or a soldier), it will implant an embryo in them. This causes the corpse to rise up as a Zombie in the next turn, which will spawn a "Chryssalid Hatchling" after three turns."

That's what I get from googling chryssalid. It's an enemy monster from xtoxm. So it certainly makes sense how EP said earlier that she wanted a scum role and got miller instead?

But my main point here is my theory on what her role was AND all this zombie shit you guys are bringing up.

My theory is that EP as a bookie, she'd guess who would be lynched the next day. If they were lynched they'd become a "zombie", or a treestump, and she would get their vote. And that's why davsto couldn't become a zombie.

*drops mic*

I only know that my target visited Elbirn, who wasn't NKed. I suspect LH for trying to deflect itlepip's wagon

VOTE: Learned Hand

Ok, if y'all want to lynch us. Lynch us. I was wrong. I still didn't see a valid reason for itlepip wagon.

Shiro, I protected you by having an entire alternative scenario ready to go. :nod:

I was going to basf Jeanne, but [redacted] had us draw sheep.

Okay so to go over this.

1. I am the little prince, or Le Petite Prince. And I asked titus to draw me a sheep, and that is my confirmable ability I spoke of yesterday. So yes, Titus received confirmation of my ability, and the flavor for it as I said. So now that team scum knows I'm a roleblocker, you all might as well know as well.

2. Titus targeted Jeanne with whatever the fuck basf is, but I Roleblocked her. Therefore she did not pseudo roleblock Jeanne via her weird weak modifier.

3. Jeanne tracked titus to me. This jives, as she wasn't roleblocked.



Here's the thing, my role pm doesn't say I'm a redirector. It says I'm a semi-public roleblocker.

Flavor wise I guess it makes sense that titus would be redirected to me as she is roleblocked?... but my role doesn't state that. :/ it just says roleblocked.

[Elbirn]

So yeah cerb you didn't ask me, but no my role acted as intended and I received no pm from the mod.

I want lh dead today more than I've ever wanted someone dead

[Elbirn]

Man it doesn't matter if you're lying or not, you're still scum.
Your push against me is shit and you know it, and whatever that notion you had that was "I think this sequence of events prove elbirn is scum", yeah that was bullshit too. So is you trying to pretend that these interactions confirm you as town. Like christ titus Jeanne isn't weak in the traditional sense.

Just

You're scum.

You spent all of yesterday pushing me as scum, and trying to detail a wagon on someone who flipped fucking Encryptor ninja godfather

You didn't want to lose your day chat, you didn't want to lose track immunity, you didn't want to lose the most broken role in existence (godfather)

It's how you knew there was a godfather in the game too huh? Cuz one was on your team

Just fucking you're scum stopit.

[Elbirn]

Plan for today:

Shoot LH, lynch Mass Flop

Mass flop has been bad this game, and they were in my lynchpool

But I'm actually kinda concerned with the way lh had them in their lynch pool and wanted to shift the wagon off pip and onto them

@Roleplay, That's a lie.

I have always said two parts. Informed townie is first part. Roleblock preventer is the second.

Roleblock preventer just happened today and...is weird. Actually yeah lol I'm the roleblocker, scum need a counter to me. Bye titus *waves*

Anyway yeah I don't get rb preventer anywhere from your earlier posts...at all. And you said you improve roles earlier today. Soo.

[Elbirn]

Jeanne your claim is you tracked LH to me, correct?

Because if I get mod clarification as to whether or not my role redirects when it roleblocks, and it doesn't, then we basically have mod confirmation that titus is lying.

[Elbirn]

Shiro is my fav, I hope you are town Shiro.

Also hi Elbirn!!!! Feels like forever since when we have been in game together.

Also hi to 3dice

Fire

Fire quick are you scum?

[Elbirn]

Yes. Just please don't make it an ability that can kill us given we only get it if we are town and we help Jeanne's role.

Titus
Titus you keep considering that you might not be town

It's cuz you're not

Shiro is my fav, I hope you are town Shiro.

Also hi Elbirn!!!! Feels like forever since when we have been in game together.

Also hi to 3dice

Fire

Fire quick are you scum?

Funny story cause when I got my role card I thought I was neutral benign or killing or something anti town.

Nope I am town. The win condition is horribly phrased.

Oh sweet fire is town

[Elbirn]

If we are giving anything any kind of weaponish thing, we are giving desperado to a scummy player and have them shoot another scummy player.

Oh I did get confirmation from the mod that I redirect to myself when I roleblock. So yeah, jeanne/LH/elbirn love triangle is on the up and up, all is accounted for.

I'd kinda rather dream up/give KC a day cop if possible? Could that be a thing or is that dumb?

[Elbirn]

If so, and if LH is scum (cart before flip, I am aware) this really, really, really changes the game. Everyone with a targeting night ability that's confirmable suddenly becomes confirmed town.

Honestly if we shoot LH and they're scum, I say it's mass claim day today.

Too right mate

So...Zmuffin would be in this category with his useless ability I believe. I've got my roleblock is confirmable. Who else?

Like this is just a good idea regardless once were down to one scum.

...

.......which we won't know when that is. How would we know? How many scum are we expecting in a game this size?

[Elbirn]

I think drixx is being silly

RP 4 scum is reasonable and I have to admit it's what I was expecting, but I was hit with a curiosity that there might be 5..? Does that sound reasonable or is that too many scum?

At any rate 3 is certainly too few.

Yaaay pointless set up spec
Am I helping
Guys am I helping

[Elbirn]

I think drixx is being silly

RP 4 scum is reasonable and I have to admit it's what I was expecting, but I was hit with a curiosity that there might be 5..? Does that sound reasonable or is that too many scum?

At any rate 3 is certainly too few.

Yaaay pointless set up spec
Am I helping
Guys am I helping

What about multiball? Also, if you think it's multiball, do you feel that changes your opinion on Learned hand?

I don't think multi ball

For one I've never played one in my like 20 games on site so it's not even something I think about

On top of that we have 2 dead scum with the same flavor, none of which indicates scum

So yeah.

[Elbirn]

Just a public service announcement: Remember that claiming WILL NOT determine alignment! Just because someone claims doesn't mean that they are town. They can be telling the truth about their claim and still be scum. It is for this reason that I highly recommend AGAINST any more claiming as it gets us virtually nowhere.

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

Hmm, thank you for that!

VOTE: Learned Hand

Did we determine that this guy is town already?
Cuz I can see a world in which LH is somehow town and DS is really pissed that he might lose a mislynch. Like he is way too over eager and is upset about lh being town possibly, like dafuk?

[Elbirn]

Let's say it is multiball. Would you think LH is town or not?

I don't see how it being multiball would matter either way.

I already think LH is scum.

I'd like to be proven wrong about that actually cuz I actually quite respect titus and drixx, but barring a cop innocent or this dream role card thing coming to pass, they're scum.

[Elbirn]

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

@DS

Ignoring your rhetorical question. Do you see how bad this is?

If LH were to be confirmed town, why would that "suck"?

[Elbirn]

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

@DS

Ignoring your rhetorical question. Do you see how bad this is?

If LH were to be confirmed town, why would that "suck"?

It would suck for the same reason that KC being confirmed sucks.

We have a scummy person as town, so that's one less effective scum read, and who should go about being town leader isn't helping.

Yet we're still in a situation here where you're lamenting the loss of a lynch on town.

1. We think x is scum
2. We mod confirm that x isn't scum
3. We don't have to waste a lynch on x, and the game is closer to PoE. Hooray! This is good!

I can't decide if your opinion here is scumtacular or just suboptimal town play.

Pedit: oh god wallpost

[Elbirn]

YES SUE ME

I TEND TO HATE MAKING THEM

ALSO NO ONE THINKS MY REASONING IS ANY GOOD

SO W/E IT DIDN'T COME OFF A WIKI PAGE OH NO IT DID NOT. AND WHAT ELSE CAN YOU LYNCH OFF OF BUT MAFIA THEORY?

Mane I ain't complaining, I read it, I like it. It makes me feel even more confident in LH = scum

It's still probably more optimal to use our daydreamer to find out their alignment for sure but yeah, you do good work.

[Elbirn]

A beautifully short-sighted post. Yes, the numbers make it sound good. But the fact that person X isn't helping doesn't help us. A good game will have mislynches built in, so there is no reason not to use them on anyone anti-town. But then again, what do I know?

So basically

You're not trying to find scum
You're trying to punish people who are playing badly

In other words
Exactly what itlepip was doing

[Elbirn]

You're antitown for telling firebringer to not listen to town and to make suboptimal plays

Now what?

[Elbirn]

That's...logically sound but possibly game breaking? And thus unacceptable to the mod?

Like that's either 2 clears with one dream (if you're town) or one guaranteed dead scum (if you're scum)

[Elbirn]

Jeanne doesn't have anything to do with this.

[Elbirn]

Hey uhm

Thought, who was EP supposed to vig today? Or was that never discussed?

[Elbirn]

Elbirn, confirm that the individual who you block/redirect to yourself knows who they were redirected to.

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Pedit: Elbirn, Davsto was the suggestion for today. Hm.

1. I do believe this is the case? Titus certainly insisted that she was forced to go to me to draw a sheep? It implied knowledge of her redirect. At any rate, I have confirmation from the mod that when I roleblock, I also redirect the target to myself. My target also receives confirmation of my roleblock and a flavor text to accompany it, and is told that it was I who did it.

2. Yeah I don't see scum killing to protect davsto. I'd suppose they just wanted a dead vig rather than a living one.

[Elbirn]

EAP, he is 100% scum.

Well duh, I coulda told you that.

My only issue with eap and LH being the last scum is my own hubris. If I had the scumteam called yesterday, why didn't I get nightkilled.

Like fucking come on guys I've been waiting over a year to get nk'd and I'm never enough of a threat to scum for it to happen

When am I gonna be good enough ;_;

@Jeanne, Please track me. You should get that we visited you tonight.

@Doctor, Please heal Jeanne.

@3dice, See fifty post edits when I try to have a reasonable conversation because RP knows I'll be confirmed tonight..... or after my flip he and Elbrin will be confirmed scum. I'll try to talk with you, but I really can't in this environment.

Multiquoted this cuz I wanted to say it was stupid
But then I learned that makes you conftown if eap flips scum
I'm okay with this

........or am I.
It ties up a lot of town power and could be fucked by a roleblocker or a strongman.

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FIREBRINGER, did you really give dav a gun? Cuz I'm wary of him being insane or something cuz there'd been zero public mod statements and no vote counts even.

[Elbirn]

my only issue with roleplay is that he's pushing titus solely because of the itle read

It's not *solely* because of the itle read. He posted a case like 7x.

im hilarious

oh, wait

if varsoon is scum, i dont get to coast

damn

Yep. I'm amazed nobody has mentioned that *this* might be worth it for scum me, if his claim was true and there was no strongman, or the strongman was used last night to ensure EP died (though that woulda been dumb, but stay with me)....in a world with no strongman, town EAP, and EAP body guarding zmuffin, a lynch on EAP has to be forced through or else my team runs the risk of never being able to do bettee than draw at this point.

Pretty unlikely there's the whole bodyguard forever thing if there's no strongman, but still. As certain as I am that he's going to flip town, this game has loads of built in uncertainty, and I'm sure scum me could avoid getting lynched for being wrong about this slot.

So yeah. Remember guys, don't trust anyone.

What the hell are you babbling about

[Elbirn]

....cerb I swear to fuck are you scum

[Elbirn]

So I've had a shit day and I'm not doing this today. I might replace out of my games depending on how I feel tomorrow. Toodles.

[Elbirn]

Ugh okay I'm caught up

Oh my. RP. Dude. keep up.

Let's break this down, with what everyone has claimed.

Titus targeted Jeanne with a power that ensures her ability goes through, regardless of blocking etc.
Jeanne targeted Titus to track her.
Elbirn targeted Titus with a power that redirects her to him, and replaces her action with "draw something for Elbirn"(functionally a roleblock, unless there are certain flavors of things he can ask for a drawing of that actually accomplish something for him)

So, this is what happened.

Elbirns power was not messed with in any way, and resolved successfully, redirecting titus' actions to him.
Titus' action became "Draw whatever for Elbirn"
Jeanne was no longer targeted by anything, and her track was successful, and she tracked Titus to Elbirn.

Titus confirmed that her action became draw stuff for elbirn. The pair you're looking for here is a LH/Elbirn scum team, that makes this sequence of events possible without requiring that all three be lying.

Wait, so the role changes a player's action into a completely different action, and has them perform that action targeting Elbirn?

Elbirn, do you stop the role, or just redirect the target?

Ugh bleh okay here
1. I target someone
2. They are roleblocked.
3. They are redirected to me.
4. They receive flavor text confirming that I Roleblocked them, that they instead drew me a picture of a sheep
5. The sheep does nothing, it is just a picture of a sheep. In fact not even, it's just flavor. I don't magically have a sheep drawing in my possession, you just....drew a sheep instead of doing whatever you were going to do. I can't make you draw anything else. It's all flavor taken from a chapter of the book, Le petit prince.

Ahem

*Notions at self*


Maybe one of my potential powers will be a protective role.

Diamond if I'm not getting a girlfriend neither are you
But no srs talk you're not....really worth wasting a daydream on, we can make GUN. GUN is good. If we daydream you a waifu it might not even do anything, dramonic has proven himself a total bastard so far after all (ily dram)

So tldr stop suggesting this or I'll lynch you D:<

It makes me sad that if we lynch you, and you flip 3p, we will never know if you actually told us the truth about zmuffin.

You can pretty much infer it from the game state. *shrugs*

If I flip scum though: kill that motherfucker.

Considering that you might flip scum. *circles with pencil* Nooooooo.

Actually, I was going to go through their ISO and point out all the times they've insulted, mocked, and harassed me, to point out how supremely satisfying this is for me.

But then I found this:

For the love of fuck, someone cop me before they shoot me

And I just.

Can't.

Stop.

Laughing.

Pretty much this yeah

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So uh.
I'm sorry varsoon and varsoon's split personality, but uhm. I think you need to go bye bye today. :/ like you're tugging at my heart strings but you're not town and I'm pretty on board with killing not town. I don't even know if I buy you being a survivor, but either way you've claimed a different win con, we have reason to think 3p = bad, I've had you as scum for a while now, obvtown has a guilty on you.

I just
It's time. Intent to hammer yo.

Pedit: oh lol jk

VOTE: Edgar Allan Pro

THIS IS L-2. CAREFUL GAIZ

[Elbirn]

Learned Hand or mass flop is last scum.

[Elbirn]

Elbrin's last post convinced me I am wrong about EAP being survivor. He wouldn't ask for cop check if said cop check would not come back town or scum more likely than not. That makes a whopping zero sense. EAP is more likely that not scum.

UNVOTE: RP[/vote]

I am willing to hammer in case of supersaint shenanigans. Or not. Whatever.

Except like
RP said that first and I was quoting him?

Like
Fucking
Give him credit and stop having tunnel vision Jesus titus

[Elbirn]

Elbrin, did you like my moutin? Was it too sad?

Maybe I'll just draw you a box next time.

Also, thank you for just sitting there and wallowing in my misery last night. ^_^

I got a message saying that instead of wallowing in my misery, I drew sheep for Elbrin, thus confirming him as Le Petit Prince.

Sorry about my incoherent first post.

Huh. So....I wallowed in your misery instead? Or am I reading too much into this?

But yeah confirmed that I did this and you were my intended target and so on.

[Elbirn]

RP, don't make me regret what I've done.

NO. You both need to stop being fucking stupid. STOP IT. No desperado should go to LH or RP. If you're going ot give one to someone, give it to fucking 3dice or elbirn. Seriously.

You what mate?

No really I want to know what happened that put me on your shit list

3dice read also seems a bit out of left field

Basically this whole thing is cray and I had to do a double take

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Learned Hand

Cerberus unless you have a mod confirmed innocent this is the days play

Go on, I'll wait. *popcorn*

[Elbirn]

Are you actually going to play this game fire?

I don't know if I can.

As in you are apathetic....?

No....

Fire
What's the problem dog

[Elbirn]

We were "quite a bit up" on scum like 2 days ago.

You're not getting a girlfriend diamond we've been over this

[Elbirn]

*headdesk*

No one told fb to desperado anyone
He was told to give a desperado to someone else

...was he told "give a desperado to LH"?, and he presumably submitted "Desperado learned hand"? Did anyone tell him to give a desperado to anyone else, like RP maybe? Or dav?

Like we don't even have confirmation of what he did and we have to just fucking assume lh is town and everything went according to plan and I'm going to hurt people if we get to the end of this and LH was scum after all

Fucking firebringer you fuck
Fucking dram hosting a bastard game as non-bastard
Fucking learned Hand being two people I actually quite admire, doing fuck all
Fucking
Fuck

Fuck

You are a troll mod.

I'm just gonna note that while this probably shouldn't have been said and is too game related, this sure hints at things not going to plan

[Elbirn]

What's your point?

I like titus. I like drixx. They're smartypants. Usually.

In this game I generally feel like they lost their minds and I haven't liked a single thing they've done.

[Elbirn]

The same way EAP not receiving a neighborhood made him guaranteed NOT town..

So
RP is confirmed town.
Let's call the person he is in a neighborhood with "X".

Is "X" also confirmed town as a result of having a neighborhood?

So, EAPS clear on zmuffin is null. Cool. Don't particularly mind lynching him then. I feel like I could probably solve the game at this point if I had the time to dive into the absurd amount of content so far.

In the interests of not shitting the thread further than it already is, I'm going to just say to any townies that are staying silent because they assume confirmed town will just decide everything - I have no particular desire to be guided by someone just because they're town. They also may be extremely unbelievably wrong. Or not reading the game. I really want to work with y'all.

Here here. Klingon is largely absent (probably sick), LH needs to collect themselves and get into this game, and you...well you're okay but time to reevaluate now that we live in a world where lh is town.

Also if you and LH could have a gentleman's/gentlewoman's agreement to not verbally abuse each other the way you have been, that's be swell.

I'm also responsible for some antagonizing and I apologize for that. Let's get the scumz gaiz <3

oh, and for completeness sake, my upick submission was: that time when you and your friends were having a rather light-hearted conversation and everyone was having a good laugh and then someone mentioned music they like and the conversation turned towards "name some good bands" and you said "nickelback" and there was a very long and awkward pause where they just stared at you for a while and one of them shook their head while still maintaining the stare and after that things just weren't the same

the flavour behind the unlynchable/unkillable status is that my favourite group doesn't wanna die and the flavour behind my hated status should be obvious

LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH
EVERY TIME I DO IT MAKES ME LAUGH
EVERY TIME I DO IT MAKES ME LAUGH
EVERY TIME I DO IT MAKES ME LAUGH



Oh also would lynching EAP conftown him and is that something we should do today or nah?

[Elbirn]

Also how does unlynchable being hated make any sense?

[Elbirn]

Also also based on EAP flip I don't think he was a rolecop. Or anything. I think he was just a bodyguard who gained the win condition of whoever he targeted?..

Also also also

Took the player list, removed everyone who is conftown or confirmable (me and muffin)

5. Cerberus v666
6. 3dicerolling
8. Mass Flop
9. DiamondSentinel
11. Davsto
12. Shiro

That's our lynch pool. I think cerb is off the table for the time being, he's p town aside from some paranoia I have.

3dice is...eh. why is he town again?

Mass flop is scum fo sho

DS...claiming vanilla as scum is ballsy, and if I were the scum team I'd have sent him to do the kill. I Roleblocked him, there was still a kill. My hubris and mothers intuition says not him.

Davsto as vote less scum....would be pretty miserable I guess but his play has been town af and scum don't set themselves up as a policy kill

Shiro.............but scum don't fakeclaim miller, riiigght? X.x




Yeah I think it's 3dice and flopper

[Elbirn]

I mean
You can think that if you want. Point is once we're down to one scum I can be confirmed town. Sooo.

[Elbirn]

Actually yeah, you and Cerb should split this.

You muffin, Cerb diamond, Elbirn blocks Shiro? That way whatever happens we have boats of town tomorrow.

Confirmed that I will roleblock shiro tonight

Elbrin do I have to draw sheep or you can do whatever ? Maybe you can get creative like say that instead of doing whatever I grabbed you and we went interdimensional adventures or something : D

Unfortunately I have no control over what I make you draw; the little prince in the book asks the pilot in the desert to draw him a sheep repeatedly, that's just how it is mane.

But maybe if Dram is listening and he is a benevolent God, you can draw me an intergalactic space sheep of some kind?

[Elbirn]

Also I'm all for twiddling our thumbs for another 2 or 3 days and figuring out who the last scum is via day play like a buncha bosses

Also town far too OP this game

[Elbirn]

Shiro.............but scum don't fakeclaim miller, riiigght? X.x

I've seen a Scum Miller before...

*icy stare*

[Elbirn]

It's a creative lie I'll give him that

[Elbirn]

*popcorn*

Dank fakeclaims right here, friends

[Elbirn]

Tangential.

The mod isn't going to give a player a fakeclaim when using said fakeclaim would get them lynched. Bastard or no, that's just terrible modding by lying to players. Dramonic or no, that's just not likely to happen. Stating that Dramonic doesn't give fakeclaims makes it all the more likely 3dice is scum and borrowing what was previously made up for a claim.

Disagree, I don't think scum thinks "yeah I know, I'll fakeclaim exactly what my flipped scum buddy already fake claimed!"

And I think that 3dice explanation for this and his documented not-believing itlepips claim is solid, as is his obvious crumbing of his role. More likely that itlepip had a creative scum buddy make him a good fake claim...and it just happened to exist. Is PGO cop a common role?

He explained his thoughts that evil does not mean the same as guilty. It's weak, but not implausible. We also already had a guilty lined up, so no need to ensure we lynched properly, especially when he was uncertain.

He should have DEFINITELY outed the guilty before the end of the day though, in case he died. That's shit play.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. As a PGO he doesn't have to fear being killed. I think it lends more credence to his claim.

Also tbh if I were to roll cop in a game my strategy wouldn't be to claim a guilty, it'd be to tunnel the fuck out of my guilty until he's in the dirt. So there's that.