Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[beeboy]

VOTE: Varsoon

Kill the fake

*first

[beeboy]

VOTE: BEEBOY
I AM THE ONE TRUE VARSOON
ALL THESE OTHER VARSOONS ARE JUST IMITATING

Don't lie to me like this.

[beeboy]

Beeboy, your vote on Varsoon is a joke. Keeping it there only gives scum a reason to push you.

The only reason scum would push my vote is if it was on one of there scum buddies so I must have my vote in the right place!

[beeboy]

There are 6 people here voting the wrong Varsoon I am disappointed.

[beeboy]

That seems odd, considering that the scale of the game has been obvious for so long. Why did you only just realise that now?

I saw the size of the vote count.

There's a giant playerlist in the very first post. There's also a votecount in post #4. You managed to miss both of these lengthy posts?

Wouldn't not seeing those make him town o.o

[beeboy]

Is it bad I am town reading T S O o.o

[beeboy]

Is it bad I am town reading T S O o.o

I dislike the fact you felt the need to ask this.

It was rhetorical question which is a statement. The push felt genuine considering we are only 1 page into the game.
I don't see scum trying to push players this early in the game.

[beeboy]

Your post seems to be seeking approval from others which is what I dislike.

It was a rhetorical question you are over thinking it.

[beeboy]

I have seen about 5 votes on me that is l2 in what I normally play.

VOTE: Dwlee

someone quick hammer

[beeboy]

This is beautiful, can we policy lynch Titus if she stops making posts in the form of memes?

[beeboy]

How many scum are there in a game of this size usually?

[beeboy]

Titus is art.

[beeboy]

Dwlee is only at L-2 Calm your selves

[beeboy]

WAOT =

[beeboy]

I lied he is at L-1 now

[beeboy]

12 votes are on him and it is 13 to lynch o3o
Only BRantz and Varsoon voted him.

[beeboy]

wait what is the current state of the game I am confusing myself I had lots of tests today.

[beeboy]

OH well I reacted =D

[beeboy]

VOTE: Dwlee

o3o I am taking out my bad day on Dwlee

[beeboy]

no

Already done

[beeboy]

But if we get lucky and he flips scum I am basically conf town so it seems worth the risk of being insta lynched. Also it was fun.

[beeboy]

Why would you be conf town exactly?

Well when Dwlee flips scum I will be showered in town reads for flash hammering him. Kinda like a pseudo conf town.

[beeboy]

Wait if I am conf town I will be nk'd so I am screwed either way :C Bai everyone hope town gets me a win for finding Dwlee scum.

[beeboy]

This is me waiting for the flip.

[beeboy]

Why spoil the surprise :C

[beeboy]

UNVOTE: Dwlee

Let's be honest he is prob town.

[beeboy]

After being fake hammered and fake vigged all while 12 people had the opportunity to actually hammer him he has done nothing scummy as a reaction. I also thought his reaction to being vigged was incredibly towny. Plus none of the claims against him are that great and I am getting bored of watching people pressure him and nothing be accomplished as a result.

[beeboy]

What happened to this?

I was yelled at for ruining the fake hammer so I was just trolling.

[beeboy]

Hmm that is interesting bb. I was thinking that that was before the reaction tests you cited in your post that I didnt react scummy to.

In my opinion you haven't reacted particularly scummy to anything lol.

[beeboy]

YOU DON'T THINK TSO'S POINT ABOUT DWLEE AND FAKE-VIGS HOLDS WATER?

Can someone link me this post Tso has a big ISO :C

[beeboy]

I fundamentally cannot believe that you were forgetful. After reading that past game, I just don't believe you whatsoever. I'm sure you're lying with >95% certainty, and there's no reason for you to have lied about this as town.

A human error doesn't indicate alignment.

[beeboy]

So you didn't actually think he was highly likely to be scum at that point?

I was set on him being town awhile ago, I just didn't see the harm in keeping my vote on him as no one would actually hammer.

[beeboy]

You need to answer this, beeboy.

Well I don't actually recall the contents of the post and I was unable to find it myself so I am still waiting for some assistance ;-; It is easier to ctrl+f if you know what words you are looking for.

[beeboy]

And if you're trying to derail a wagon, at least offer up an alternative.

I don't know who scum is so I have no need to push a wagon.

[beeboy]

I fundamentally cannot believe that you were forgetful. After reading that past game, I just don't believe you whatsoever. I'm sure you're lying with >95% certainty, and there's no reason for you to have lied about this as town.

A human error doesn't indicate alignment.

How is that human error! Are you telling me that you go from talking about something with familiarity at one moment to forgetting it even exists two months later when directly asked? Unless Dwlee ran into a door or otherwise gave himself a concussion, I find that impossible to believe. It just doesn't happen, at least not with any regularity and without a medical reason.

Maybe mafia isn't a high priority in his life, he also has fell for all the fake kills made on him so that could suggest he is tired which would lead to memory loss. People forget things it isn't that hard to believe.

[beeboy]

To be honest I don't have any reads right now I am still trying to sort out who is who because the last time (and only time) I played a large setup I didn't have a real reason to care so I didn't.
Although I assume that won't satisfy SirCakes so these are the general thoughts I have on the game.

Town {Dwlee99, wgeurts}
Null Town {Rob13, BRantz, Varsoon}
Null Scum {Titus, YT2980}

[beeboy]

Actually... about that null scum on Titus does anybody know if our mod is known to use post restrictions in the past?

[beeboy]

Ok so you do have some scumreads. Then why not vote one of those scumreads?

1/13 vote on someone who I don't feel inspired to push isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

[beeboy]

It does more then voting someone you think is town, no?

I have my vote on no one right now

[beeboy]

Actually, I'm afraid that's a lie. You have seen a fake dayvig gambit before, because RC used one on you in this game, at post #124. At post #152, you specifically note its usage.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Nothing really shocking in this post to me, my point still stands where people are capable of forgetting things.

[beeboy]

It does more then voting someone you think is town, no?

I have my vote on no one right now

But you were voting Dwlee before. You stated you had been townreading him for a while but kept your vote on him.

I was checking the thread but I was on my phone an didn't want to reply. By the time I checked the thread I messed up the fake lynch which is why I didn't remove my vote. I would have removed my vote if I was actually present in the game.

[beeboy]

It does more then voting someone you think is town, no?

I have my vote on no one right now

But you were voting Dwlee before. You stated you had been townreading him for a while but kept your vote on him.

I was checking the thread but I was on my phone an didn't want to reply. By the time I checked the thread I messed up the fake lynch which is why I didn't remove my vote. I would have removed my vote if I was actually present in the game.

[beeboy]

I can never tell if the people defendong me are smart town or scum trying to gain town ppints when O flip :C

brb chores

I just think you are lynch bait <3 I will protect you from the evil scum.

[beeboy]

I THINK IT'S FAR MORE LIKELY THAT DWLEE IS LYING RATHER THAN ACTUALLY FORGETTING.
PEOPLE FORGET STUFF LIKE PHONE NUMBERS. PEOPLE DON'T FORGET A SPECIFIC SORT OF PLAY IN A GAME THAT THEY FREQUENT.
IT'S LIKE IF I WENT AROUND JUST MAGICALLY ACTING LIKE I FORGOT WHAT A GAMBIT OR A TRUST TELL WAS.
YOU'D CALL BULLSHIT.

The thing isn't that he forgot about all together, at the moment of his response he forgot that has happened to him before. It is kind of like you forget something on a test that you know studied and by the time you remember you already handed your test in.
The way I am imagining the situation is that Dwlee panicked that he saw he died and that is why he claimed without thinking about his previous games because it wasn't a concern to him the time.

[beeboy]

I just think you are lynch bait <3 I will protect you from the evil scum.

LINES LIKE THIS DON'T GIVE ME ANY CONFIDENCE IN YOU, BEEBOY

Literally people are just using him as lynch bait right now, it is the truth.

[beeboy]

The way things are going you are all just going to trample over him and we are going to end up killing a town today because he has a bad memory.

[beeboy]

Even town are bound to screw up at some point if everyone keeps pointing fingers at them for the entire duration of the game. I don't even think he screwed up, he literally just forgot about a previous game.

[beeboy]

Even town are bound to screw up at some point if everyone keeps pointing fingers at them for the entire duration of the game. I don't even think he screwed up, he literally just forgot about a previous game.

Even if his forgetting of the dayvig was legit (which I doubt) the rest of his play has still been very scummy.

In what way?

[beeboy]

Personally I have seen a day vig claim in all mini and larges I have played.

I have seen 1 off site over a year ago.

[beeboy]

eeboy, you are sure whiteknighting him hard...honestly, I said it once but I will say it again. I feel like if he would put more effort into acting townie and aiding the town rather then bemoaning his own case, I would take interest.

Why would I let a town read of mine get ropped d1?

[beeboy]

BUT HE DIDN'T 'DIE', BECAUSE THE MOD NEVER CONFIRMED HIM DEAD.

This doesn't make sense how does he role claim after the mod confirms he is dead?

M NOT JUST VOTING DWLEE BECAUSE OF THIS 'SLIP'. I'M VOTING HIM BECAUSE HIS PLAY HAS BEEN OVERLY DEFENSIVE, AWKWARD, AND DOESN'T SEEM TO ADVANCE A TOWN AGENDA.

YOU KEEP PARROTING THAT DWLEE IS 'LYNCHBAIT'. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY ELABORATE ON THIS AND SHOW ME WHICH PLAYERS YOU FEEL ARE UNFAIRLY PUSHING DWLEE.

ALSO, DON'T SET UP DWLEE AS SOME POOR DEFENSELESS PLAYER TO BE 'TRAMPLED' OVER. THAT SORT OF RHETORIC DISGUSTS ME.

Well no shit he is awkward when half the player base is pressuring him and he doesn't seem to be confident as a player. Everyone on his wagon I don't think is fairly pushing him at this point, nothing with his wagon has to do with alignment it is either human error or tone which isn't alignment indicative.
I said he was lynch bait twice I would be one really shit parrot.
I can't believe i am the only one that sees how this wagon is going to end terribly.

[beeboy]

@BEEBOY: HE WAS AWKWARD WHEN ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE VOTING HIM.
I'VE ADDRESSED MY REASONS FOR BEING ON THE WAGON BOTH PRE AND POST 'SLIP';
WHY ARE YOU CONSTRUCTING A NARRATIVE THAT NO ONE IS 'FAIRLY' PUSHING THE WAGON?

Just because you addressed you reasons doesn't mean I agree with them and don't see Dwlee as town. What would you do if your town read was being lynched? Just sit by and let it happen?

[beeboy]

I WOULD SPECIFICALLY FIND WHICH PERSECUTORS WERE MAKING THE MOST SCUMMY PUSH AND I WOULD DISMANTLE THEIR PUSH;
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CALL BETWEEN SCUM PUSHING A TOWN-READ AND TOWN PUSHING A TOWN-READ, THEN ALL YOU'RE DOING IS WHINING.
WHINING SOLVES NOTHING.
PROPOSE A BETTER WAGON IF YOU CAN'T FIND THE SCUM MAKING THE PUSH.
THAT'S WHAT I'D DO, AT LEAST.

WHY ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT IN YOUR TOWN READ ON DWLEE?

I am only confident I disagree with the people on the wagon they aren't particularly scum.

I am confident he is town because this entire wagon is crap, one guy wanting him dead for information and others wanting him dead because of a human error. I already explained why I disagree with the wagon and I don't think we are getting anywhere having a back and forth like this.

[beeboy]

@BEEBOY: SO HE'S ONLY TOWN IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS WAGON?
GARBAGE.

IF HIS PLAY ISN'T WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE'S TOWN, THEN HE'S PROBABLY NOT TOWN.

This isn't worth my energy anymore we aren't going to get anywhere. If he really is scum there is enough people in this game where you can lynch him without me.

[beeboy]

IT IS A HUMAN ERROR WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

[beeboy]

BECAUSE HUMAN ERROR IS A FUCKING GARBAGE DEFENSE MADE BY WEAK PLAYERS, BEEBOY.
IF YOU LET EVERY SINGLE PERSON OFF ON THE 'HUMAN ERROR' DEFENSE, YOU'LL NEVER CATCH SCUM.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN HE FLIPS TOWN.
WHY WOULD SCUM LIE ABOUT SOMETHING SO SIMPLE WHEN SOMEONE WAS IN THE GAME WHERE SOMEONE FAKE VIG CLAIMED. THE RISK VERSUS REWARD SITUATION MAKES NO SENSE IT IS LIKE 95% RISK AND THE REWARD IS PEOPLE STILL DON'T BELIEVE YOU AND PUSH YOU ANYWAY.

[beeboy]

He was directly asked the question "have you ever seen this type of reaction test before" after it was revealed. He replied "no".

The game was 2 months old.

[beeboy]

Idfk why Dwlee forgot ask him yourself.

[beeboy]

Honestly I don't think I can out debate the people on this wagon but this lynch will end badly. I feel as though all this talk about making a better wagon is you guys telling me we are just lynching Dwlee because there is nothing better to do.

[beeboy]

Beeboy you're trying to shut down this wagon, but you're offering no alternatives. Should we all just sit around on our votes doing nothing?

JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SOLID WAGON DOESN'T MEAN I WILL SIT BACK WHILE WE LYNCH TOWN THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHY ARE YOU SO INCLINED TO KILL SOMEONE FFS.

VOTE: SirCakez

Idk what Titus is thinking but here you go I am using my vote, happy?

[beeboy]

beeboy, who do you think would be a better target?

Literally anyone else.

[beeboy]

@DWLEE: MULTI-BALL SPEC IS POINTLESS ON DAY 1.
DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER AT ALL AT THIS POINT.
WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AFTER THE NIGHT PHASE, IT USUALLY BECOMES PAINFULLY OBVIOUS AT THAT POINT.

@BEEBOY: YOU HAVE TO LYNCH SCUM TO WIN THIS GAME
OR IS THAT NOT YOUR WINCON?

LYNCHING TOWN GOES AGAINST MY WINCON SORRY. WTF IS YOUR WINCON?

[beeboy]

His derail is ignoring all new information. It's clear he didn't understand the wagon fully (either willfully or unintentionally) when he started decrying it, but rather than react to new information that directly contradicts his narrative of why Dwlee would not have remembered things, he's desperately trying to plug the holes each bout of explanation creates. In his last post, he literally said that he had no idea how dwlee could have forgotten, and yet he still must have. This isn't someone forming reads to the available info. It's someone fitting the info to the read that's convenient.

There isn't new information, your lynch on me is because I am town reading someone that is cool
Anyway you starting to think Dwlee is town is a good start.

[beeboy]

Got a favourite?

Well until I see evidence that Skull has used post restrictions in the past I don't think Titus's is legit.

[beeboy]

That's absolutely a direct contradiction of your narrative.

I have never written a narrative in my life. The one time I was supposed to I asked a friend do it for me and in exchange I did his computer science project.

[beeboy]

Because mods would never design differing setups or break their meta so as to discourage mod speculation!

Oh wait ...

Titus' PR is legit, and Titus is town. This is a waste of time.

Your basing this town read on a set of memes?

[beeboy]

LYNCHING TOWN GOES AGAINST MY WINCON SORRY. WTF IS YOUR WINCON?

YOUR POST 773 SUGGESTS THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T TRY TO LYNCH THEIR SCUMREADS; BECAUSE BEING INCLINED TO 'KILL SOMEONE' IS AN ISSUE, APPARENTLY?

HOW ARE YOU SO CERTAIN THAT DWLEE IS TOWN?
YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT YOU CAN'T BE 100% SURE, SO YOUR TENACITY ON THIS IS BECOMING QUESTIONABLE.

I WAS SUGGESTING THAT BY VOTING DWLEE I WOULD BE GOING AGAINST MY WINCON BECAUSE I THINK HE IS TOWN. THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU I WAS ONLY PROTECTING MY OWN BUTT IN THAT POST.

[beeboy]

That's absolutely a direct contradiction of your narrative.

Honestly though we aren't going to get anywhere with me guessing why Titus forgot we might as well wait for him to explain why he did. Unless he already did and I missed it.

[beeboy]

HOW THE HELL HAVE WE COME TO THE CONCLUSION WE ARE IN A MULTI BALL I AM SO CONFUSED.

[beeboy]

@BEEBOY: DWLEE IS SPECCING MULTIBALL AS AN EXCUSE FOR HIS OWN POOR PLAY.
DISREGARD IT.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN BECAUSE ROB SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MULTI BALL AND THAT MEANS I AM SCUM OR SOMETHING. ROB EXPLAIN.

[beeboy]

I know what multi ball is btw. It is when there is more than one faction or scum + sk.

[beeboy]

I just want to know why it is relevent

[beeboy]

Yes, we fucking are getting somewhere. If you're going to stand up and say this bullshit is incredibly believable - enough to derail the wagon - you better be able to come up with a single scenario under which it actually makes sense for Dwlee's claimed actions to have occurred. This isn't about whether Dwlee lied anymore. It's about whether you were genuinely convinced he didn't from a position as an uninformed player.

You get killed you are shocked how hard is it to understand that in a state of shock people act and think differently?
He was also under pressure which is a word associated with situations where people act and feel differently.
I can't just throw predictions like this I want Dwlee to explain what happened.

[beeboy]

No, it's not a reason you're scum. I'm not specing anything. I was saying that, if it were multiball, it would make it possible that you and dwlee are scum together but on opposite teams and you think you're white-knighting.

You're scum no matter what, more so than dwlee was. You're making no sense right now, and you refuse to provide any explanation for why you think dwlee is telling the truth on a claim that is extraordinary.

Jesus 5 minutes is a refusal to cooperate wtf are you on right now?

[beeboy]

I forgot you lynch people for human mistakes so misunderstanding would also make me scum I get it.

[beeboy]

I'm tapping into my inner kuribo, and my inner kuribo wants to wipe bees off the face of the earth. The audacity to come in here, provide a storyline by which you are telling the truth, and then pretend that a perfect contradiction of that storyline is irrelevant is infuriating.

Why the fuck isn't everyone else in this thread right now voting beeboy? Get on this wagon. Choo choo.

There are many reasons someone can forget something I purposed one idea that was wrong really I don't see how this makes me scum. I didn't ignore the contradiction I said it would be better to have Dwlee to explain instead of having me guess what is going on in his real life situation.

[beeboy]

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DECRY THAT IN THIS GAME OF RHETORIC IS JUST A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME, BEEBOY.

I understand that you believe that and I have offered to stop arguing many times because I don't see myself getting anywhere but you and Rob have refused and now I am being called scum for not being able to back up my own statements so no shit I am going to stay and argue now.

[beeboy]

I'm tapping into my inner kuribo, and my inner kuribo wants to wipe bees off the face of the earth. The audacity to come in here, provide a storyline by which you are telling the truth, and then pretend that a perfect contradiction of that storyline is irrelevant is infuriating.

Why the fuck isn't everyone else in this thread right now voting beeboy? Get on this wagon. Choo choo.

There are many reasons someone can forget something I purposed one idea that was wrong really I don't see how this makes me scum. I didn't ignore the contradiction I said it would be better to have Dwlee to explain instead of having me guess what is going on in his real life situation.

THEN GIVE ME A FUCKING REASON THAT WORKS. ONE SINGLE FUCKING REASON.

-Fatigue
-Not giving a shit
-Medication
-It being so long ago

Really I am shit at science and even I know people can forget things. Like I said ask him yourself there are plenty of reasons.

[beeboy]

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DECRY THAT IN THIS GAME OF RHETORIC IS JUST A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME, BEEBOY.

I understand that you believe that and I have offered to stop arguing many times because I don't see myself getting anywhere but you and Rob have refused and now I am being called scum for not being able to back up my own statements so no shit I am going to stay and argue now.

But you AREN'T arguing! You refuse to provide the one thing I'm asking for - a single valid scenario under which Dwlee genuinely forgot something that he apparently knew like the back of his hand two months before. Do it or just self-vote.

I told you that would be pointless because there are dozens of scenarios and only one is right so obviously i will probably look wrong if you take everything so literally.

[beeboy]

I'm tapping into my inner kuribo, and my inner kuribo wants to wipe bees off the face of the earth. The audacity to come in here, provide a storyline by which you are telling the truth, and then pretend that a perfect contradiction of that storyline is irrelevant is infuriating.

Why the fuck isn't everyone else in this thread right now voting beeboy? Get on this wagon. Choo choo.

There are many reasons someone can forget something I purposed one idea that was wrong really I don't see how this makes me scum. I didn't ignore the contradiction I said it would be better to have Dwlee to explain instead of having me guess what is going on in his real life situation.

THEN GIVE ME A FUCKING REASON THAT WORKS. ONE SINGLE FUCKING REASON.

-Fatigue
-Not giving a shit
-Medication
-It being so long ago

Really I am shit at science and even I know people can forget things. Like I said ask him yourself there are plenty of reasons.

All of that could explain casual forgetting, but only medication could reasonably cause him to forget when someone asks him a direct question and he's forced to stop and think about it. I'm not Drixx, so I'm not going to bring up medical stuff. I'm going to assume that, like the vast majority of people in the world, Dwlee is not on a medication that causes memory loss.

That isn't true, it is easy to forget the contents of a game that occurred 2 months ago especially when you are worrying about on going games. A fake vig claim has happened in 1 of my games over the course over 1 year so it is a pretty specific and odd situation as well.

[beeboy]

And it's not, FYI.

It is, people can forget things that is unreasonable to assume that someone would forget a specific situation in a 2 month old game.
For Dwlee to be scum and lie like that he is taking the risk that someone will realize he lied and he will be insta lynched.
The reward is that you don't have to say "oh I have but I didn't think of it at the time"
It is a stupid risk to take and it backs up my claim of him not being scum.

[beeboy]

@Dwlee if you repeat/ tell us why you believe you didn't remember that the time that would be really great

[beeboy]

The fact that you remember a fake vig shot that happened a year ago after it's brought up and you're talked to about it completely destroys the point you're making here.

It's not about forgetting casually.

It's about someone directly asking you a question and then magically not remembering even after thinking about it.

P-edit: Are you fucking kidding me? I'll just try it again in caps:

IT'S NOT ABOUT FORGETTING CASUALLY. IT'S ABOUT SOMEONE DIRECTLY ASKING YOU A QUESTION AND THEN MAGICALLY NOT REMEMBERING EVEN AFTER THINKING ABOUT IT.

That's not likely at all.

We have different memories it does contradict anything we are different people and have different real life and in game situations. Think of it like you are stressed for a test and you forget you knew everything the you knew yesterday because you where under pressure that is the situation Dwlee was in he didn't casually forget anything. You are the one being ignorant here and are not acknowledging what I have to say.

[beeboy]

Whatever. We need this flip to progress, but I'm looking at beeboy hard regardless of the result. This is not at all genuine, and it's complete bullshit that no-one else here is willing to pressure it.

You want me lynched because you can't accept people have bad memory under stress, it is like you never wrote a test before. Your case on me sucks and you know it and that is why you are getting Dwlee lynched despite saying that he could be town in your previous posts.

[beeboy]

Elyse, beeboy is claiming that dwlee genuinely forgot, but more importantly, he is doing so in a rigid way that doesn't involve rethinking new information that he receives. Obvscum. Vote there, thanks.

What part of being under pressure (like a test) makes you forget things and you act differently? Really you haven't addressed this yet and I have brought it up many times.

[beeboy]

I'm not ignoring you, Dwlee. I've read what you wrote, but I'm more interested in this beeboy thing rn.

And I still don't think it's at all likely that you forgot that.

wait no I sort of understand your post (not really)

[beeboy]

Elyse, beeboy is claiming that dwlee genuinely forgot, but more importantly, he is doing so in a rigid way that doesn't involve rethinking new information that he receives. Obvscum. Vote there, thanks.

What part of being under pressure (like a test) makes you forget things and you act differently? Really you haven't addressed this yet and I have brought it up many times.

Err I meant this. Pls reply you asked me for a situation many times and I gave you this many times and you still haven't said your thoughts on it.

[beeboy]

@Rob13
I found this for you.
http://bfy.tw/4Dr7

[beeboy]

Can someone translate Titus's post because I don't get it o3o

[beeboy]

If your case on Dwlee being town rests on the fact that he had an anxiety attack in response to a fake dayvig shot, then I'm really ok with where my vote is.

Because you disagree with my understanding of memory? I have seen wagons due to things that aren't scum indicative behavior but this is some next level stuff.

[beeboy]

If your case on Dwlee being town rests on the fact that he had an anxiety attack in response to a fake dayvig shot, then I'm really ok with where my vote is.

Because you disagree with my understanding of memory? I have seen wagons due to things that aren't scum indicative behavior but this is some next level stuff.

[beeboy]

via avatars, town reads, then null reads, then scum reads.

No the one with the fancy quote.

[beeboy]

862 Is making me reconsider this though, not yelling sure helped.

[beeboy]

Although I accept my lack of understanding of memory I want to reread things later just to verify my stance on Dewlee.

[beeboy]

Dont pronounce my name do lee. Dont.

Oh that is how I have been doing it this time, how am I supposed to say it.

[beeboy]

De-Wheel-E?

[beeboy]

De-We Lee?

[beeboy]

Sorry don't answer that we are being annoying.

863 Someone explain ;-;

[beeboy]

Oh I get it now, also I have come to the realization you where scum after reading Rob's explanation on how memory works and your explanation on your memory loss.

VOTE: Dwlee99

[beeboy]

They were saying you were good at analyzing wagons, b
Right titus?

pedit I was just starting to like you :/

So I am bad at analyzing wagons? Or a totally different idea?

[beeboy]

Well Rob the first one I think is asking you to clarify your current thoughts on Sircakes.


The second picture is asking you to clarify your reads on the person with that dog profile picture.

My understanding of the 3rd one is she simply thinks you are wrong.

[beeboy]

They were saying you were good at analyzing wagons, b
Right titus?

pedit I was just starting to like you :/

So I am bad at analyzing wagons? Or a totally different idea?

You want me to unvote Dwlee?

[beeboy]

Yo guys, want to do something nuts and just quicklynch Varsoon? I have no legit reasons for wanting to do that other than that seeming like the most likely of my town reads to be wrong, but idk. If no-one's hammering Dwlee, let's just mix it up. Maybe generate some of that patented #content(tm)(copyright) while we wait for the last slot to chime in in another 3 days or so.

Nty sorry.

[beeboy]

You're quoting random shit and then posting images that make no sense. I've got nothing out of the me-wall, Titus. Anyone know what she's saying?

Well Rob the first one I think is asking you to clarify your current thoughts on Sircakes.


The second picture is asking you to clarify your reads on the person with that dog profile picture.

My understanding of the 3rd one is she simply thinks you are wrong.

[beeboy]

So my memory thought process on Dwlee being town was right even though he was in your scum read list? I don't understand now.

[beeboy]

My thought process on how Dwlee forgot* Like what is your stance on Dwlee?

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

Ok fine I get that no hammer thing, but once that mystery player posts and if it is L-1 by then I have intent to hammer.

[beeboy]

So what actually changed your mind, bee?

Ya I realized my understanding of memory was wrong after one of your posts. (I quoted it earlier) Also Dwlee's explanation on his memory troubles was really lackluster so after those 2 things I don't think he was being honest about forgetting about the vig thing.

[beeboy]

This isn't a thing that happens! Subjective measures of cognitive ability devised by a student's teacher (not a testing situation) and formal cognitive testing situations match up very well in terms of identifying good and poor students. Every study I've seen in my area of interest that have tried both measures reach near identical results, because there's not as substantial difference as you think.. This isn't quantum physics. We can observe and measure accurately at the same time.

If you don't remember something on a test, then you didn't know it well in the first place or a significant period of time occurred between learning it and being asked to recall. This isn't a difficult fact or a trick question. This is "you just lived through X situation. That ever happened before?" The first thing you would recall when faced with the realization that the dayvig shot was fake is the fact that you've been fooled by that before. That's how the mind works. If not then, then you'd remember when someone directly asked you. Your claim is insane!

This is the one that made me realize my understanding of memory was probably wrong.

Since no one saw this for some reason.
I did get pressured a buttton bwfore reactin
And I am super forgetful. I have been unloading this dishwasher from years and still have no ckue where some of the stuff goes. My mom getd really pised finding it on the counter top.

This wasn't a believable explanation.

[beeboy]

I don't even know who I'm voting anymore, but:

VOTE: Dwlee

That should be the hammer, I think.

I also believe it was L-1 then you unvoted to vote me. So we are back at L-1 with me having the intent to hammer when the rest of the player base does things.

[beeboy]

I mean, its not really a mystery who the player is beeboy. We are all waiting on the Starbuck slot.

Ya but I didn't know the name on the top of my head lol.

[beeboy]

There's a difference between me "outdebating" you and me crushing whatever argument you're trying to make because you haven't engaged with/don't understand mine at all. Sorry, but that's the way things are.

You have never interacted with me so I don't how you can claim I am being crushed by you. Stop trying to take credit for Varsoons posts.

This post shows you clearly haven't read the game and I admire the fortitude of the people who didn't give up on you as a lost case immediately after this post.

How? I said he forgot about the game you linked please elaborate on this.

In all seriousnesss, though, I'd still prefer Dwlee over beeboy, though beeboy is also a lying scumfuck who clearly has no idea what he's saying either.

How have I lied and how am I scum?

Honestly your last few posts (Outside your points on Dwlee) are fluffy, vague or don't drive the game forward. Your claims don't make sense I don't understand why you thought no one would call you out on them.

VOTE: T S O

[beeboy]

It's getting to the point where I want a flip. This day has gone on long enough, and most lurkers have actually done stuff.

Stop trying to rush a wagon before a player joined the game.

[beeboy]

I call bullshit you didn't "crush me" you did nothing, you are taking credit for other people's posts it is simple. Don't back up you own claim you are only harming yourself.

Where have I lied this game, I will just assume you are the one lying if you can't find me a quote.

[beeboy]

I have read the game calm yourself you are being vague and aren't doing anything so don't try and make excuses when you are engaging with me at least be honest about dodging questions if you do.

[beeboy]

TSO is definitely scum this game lol.

[beeboy]

Also Dwlee wait for some more players to show before you kills yourself, go unvote.

[beeboy]

Do develop on that, beeboy. I can't wait to hear your stunning insights.

Well look at Titus's post. You are doing the same thing that makes you scum read Dwlee, doing traits you think are scum probably indicate you are scum as you have no reason to be anti town.

[beeboy]

You're killing me here, beeboy.

What's your read on Dwlee again?

I could answer your question but you aren't answering mine so I don't really care about you right now.

Constant yelling, with the occasional interlude of you forgetting about dishes in your kitchen, without ever actually addressing the points that have been concisely made against you, is very poor scumplay and I'm disappointed in you for thinking it would work, Dwlee.

I am treating this post as a scum claim because you addressed nothing in post 929 which according to is poor scumplay and as town I fail to see why you would do poor scum play.

[beeboy]

You have also been lying this game since you aren't addressing the statements I say are completely false which you should do even if your bull I am not reading the game statement was true.

[beeboy]

Titus - I understand that you cannot post complex thoughts with your PR, but I don't understand your resistance to the Dwlee wagon. The majority of my reads are coloured by people's thoughts on that.

So you don't read people on alignment indicative actions but instead you just town read people on a wagon and scum read people who aren't on it?
Pro play.

[beeboy]

I agree with Titus can we get more TSO votes?

[beeboy]

[quote="In

Constant yelling, with the occasional interlude of you forgetting about dishes in your kitchen, without ever actually addressing the points that have been concisely made against you, is very poor scumplay and I'm disappointed in you for thinking it would work, Dwlee.

I am treating this post as a scum claim because you addressed nothing in post 929 which according to is poor scumplay and as town I fail to see why you would do poor scum play.[/quote]

That moment when TSO scum claimed and no one gives a shit.

[beeboy]

[quote="In

Constant yelling, with the occasional interlude of you forgetting about dishes in your kitchen, without ever actually addressing the points that have been concisely made against you, is very poor scumplay and I'm disappointed in you for thinking it would work, Dwlee.

I am treating this post as a scum claim because you addressed nothing in post 929 which according to is poor scumplay and as town I fail to see why you would do poor scum play.[/quote]

That moment when TSO scum claimed and no one gives a shit.

[beeboy]

Quotes are stupid :C

[beeboy]

I admit that I am impatient to see Dwlee dead, though. There was a lot of productive discussion earlier when we held off on hammering. Now that discussion has devolved into beeboy attempting to wagon me and Dwlee moaning.

Because you still haven't backed up your claim where I am a "lying scum fuck" when I haven't lied all game. If you really are a stubborn little kid like you claim to be as an excuse to dodge questions you still should be able to answer this.

[beeboy]

Look TSO is not only dodging my questions but also SirCakes can we kill this scum now?

[beeboy]

What questions? I've seen no questions asked to me from you.

TSO is dodging everyone's questions (including yours to his) is what I meant.

[beeboy]

Beeboy! Start talking about your Dwlee read, and I'll answer any question you want.

I declared intent to hammer under the assumption he was at L-1 and Starbucks has posted.

[beeboy]

@Titus vote TSO with me and Dwlee plz


Pedit: There is probably at least 2 killing roles due to game size but it is too early to determine if there is more than once faction

[beeboy]

Oh ninja, so no multiball too early to tell.

[beeboy]

You didn't contradict me when I said that you thought Dwlee was scum. Yet you also don't think it's multiball, and you're voting me.

Do you think Dwlee and I are bussing?

I never said it wasn't multiball I said it was too early to tell if it was. You could also be an SK which would be no multiball and you are scum. I don't think it is unreasonable to bus in this situation. Also one of my reads could simply be wrong.

[beeboy]

You used this meme wrong :C

[beeboy]

L-3

[beeboy]

You also misused this meme :C

[beeboy]

TSO is strong town LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

His catch up post was the vaguest, fluffiest, scummiest post I have seen all game.

[beeboy]

so who is everyone lynching when I flip town?

TSO

[beeboy]

Regardless you your alignment I am lynching TSO actually.

[beeboy]

[beeboy]

[beeboy]

Damn, really?

You saw right through my bus.

[beeboy]

[beeboy]

[beeboy]

The only thing in that post you actually took issue with was me insulting you. Which is fine, in my eyes. I don't play Mafia to make friends, and the state of your ego isn't my concern. But if you're going to be this transparent about scumreading me for it, at least try to back up your point. Just a little.

[beeboy]

Beeboy do you actually have a case for TSO!scum or not?

Read 929 plz.

Also I want you to quote the post where I got sad you insulted me TSO because i don't think that happened.

[beeboy]

Beeboy do you actually have a case for TSO!scum or not?

Read 929 plz.

Also I want you to quote the post where I got sad you insulted me TSO because i don't think that happened.

[beeboy]

Maybe if I would be able to town read you TSO if you made 1 truthful statement about me.

[beeboy]

I am not responding to catch up if you have questions for me put them at the end so I am not answering things twice.

[beeboy]

Beeboy, our entire conversation has been me trying to actually get into the heart of issues I feel will let me sort your alignment with confidence. Your response has basically been to laugh in my face and call me scum.

I have taken 0 personal offense from anything you have said I could care less about what anyone in this game has to say about me to be honest. You still haven't responded to 929. Not even all of it I am wondering where you said I was lying and why you keep dodging my post despite that fact you have called him scum. Don't play the victim by saying I am calling you bad and am not a nice person because you aren't sunshine either.
Please quote the post where I lied and I will have an easier time moving on if you really are town.

[beeboy]

I am assuming this is directed at me. Since I could not be here for the action is saddens me that you would not respond to a catch up. However, that being said the game as progressed beyond that initial fight and while I think there is information to be gained from it, I had not questions for you about it.

:C sorry it is just I have clarified a lot of things this game and don't feel like doing it again when people are already complaining about this game being full of posts.

[beeboy]

It's true that I've never interacted with you, but the arguments Varsoon was using are all arguments I've brought up. By proxy, they were my arguments. If you doubt this, I'll link them.

Fair, quoting these posts are a waste of time in all honestly.

I couldn't understand how you could use this as an argument, given that I had dedicated a post specifically to that rebuttal many pages beforehand, unless you hadn't read the game. Again, I will link this post if you want.

However this post i want to see.

Your read trajectory on Dwlee made no sense to me. You were originally voting him, then apparently thought he was town, argued that point-blank for pages and pages, then abruptly decided you were wrong. I couldn't see how your read was evolving, so the only conclusion I could come to was that you were scum lying about it.

I wasn't lying we simply had a disagreement, although a disagreement could be alignment indicative calling me a lier isn't right.

I didn't and don't see how this is true - the posts I made around this time are no better or worse than the posts I usually make.

I will bring this up later in the game but I am starting to believe you are town so I am not going to bother, but I still want to see the 1 quote I asked for.

UNVOTE:

[beeboy]

Why do you have Venmar listed at the top and in the low-middle area?

He is the towniest and nulliest player.

[beeboy]

He literally changed sides later, so try again.

^

[beeboy]

You aren't supposed to use a # before the number

[beeboy]

#664 Beeboy: This post bothers me. You flipped your reads regarding Dwlee faster than a pancake after the avowed willingness to hammer him and scum reading him. This seemed almost too instantaneous. Having said that, I'm still inclined to think your town, however this lowers you on my town/scum list.

I unvoted him and declared him as town at page 661 after actively being in the thread I decided he was scum on post 888 227 posts isn't exactly me changing my thoughts faster than a pancake.

[beeboy]

I would almost want to look at Beeboy if Dwlee flipped scum too. Also, I maaaaaybe need to replace out.

I find myself an orphan. The only thing keeping me in the game is the promise of Varsoon shenanigans.

Out of curiosity if regardless of alignment you think I am fishy why not just pressure me now?

[beeboy]

VOTE: Nicole Mimi Tithel

talk

[beeboy]

- Seeming to have static rigid reads where new information was not factored in. I noted this with regard to his Dwlee town read, especially. A townie considers new information when forming reads, but beeboy was very resistant to doing that for a long time. When you say "A isn't scum because X isn't scummy" and someone shows you that X didn't actually happen, that bears more than a "doesn't matter", which is basically what he gave.

Actually I admit this is a fair point I just didn't think the new information was relevant enough to warrant me to change my mind.

- His sharp turn-around on Dwlee and the timing of it. He drew my vote and people were starting to look at him, so he changed his read. I don't really get how the post he cites as being particularly influential in the change is actually that much different than what I had been saying all along. I consider it more likely that he decided opposing a wagon on town was becoming too costly and so he decided to just hop on to ease pressure than the alternative - that he genuinely had a complete change of heart after a dozen or more pages of rigid arguing where neither of us was giving an inch. I probably shouldn't have just taken that "victory" for what it was on Day 1, but meh. Something to consider about my play in post-game.

You agreed with me that you where hard to understand, I changed my read because you made a valid statement and I pointed out why I agreed with it. Maybe you if you where more clear to begin with I would have changed my mind sooner.

- His odd as fuck read on Titus. He said at one point that the mod didn't have a meta of using PRs, so he didn't believe Titus' PR. That was just weird as fuck. I don't know how he went through the mental gymnastics to hint at that causing a scum read, honestly.

My thought process here was if Skull has no history using chat-restrictions and Titus has one that stops her from sharing details on her thoughts that could indicate she is faking it and is scum that isn't exactly flawed logic.

[beeboy]

The fact he white knighted Dwlee for so long then randomly rejoined the wagon is what looks worst to me.

It wasn't random most of Rob's first arguments were not that great but 862 was very solid and made me change my mind.

[beeboy]

I haven't read yet. Is there anything I should keep in mind for when I read things?

Uh outside the flips I don't think so, you shouldn't go into the game with other people's biases.

[beeboy]

eeing that there are 20 votes, why don't we come to a consensus by giving a 3 to whoever you would rather target the most, a 2 to your second biggest target, and a 1 to your third biggest target among popsofcptown, beeboy and pisskop. We can add the points up in the end and pressure the 2 with the most points. Yea or nay on this idea?

Didn't Titus specifically tell us NOT to do this?

[beeboy]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p7653562]



[/quote]


Titus wasn't just killed because she was looking town something here has to be right.

[beeboy]

oh tuck that quote but you guys get it.

[beeboy]

Beeboy, I would rather hear about who you think is scum? Care you share? Yesterday you did not care what the train was as long as it was not Dwlee

I have a lot of people I haven't sorted out but people I would want to lynch right now based on what I have read would be.
Scum {Sircakes, YT, Rob, TSO}

TSO - When I went through Titus's ISO I really agreed with her post here. Along with the case I already made even if I did say I reconsidered it, I was lying and was just too lazy to push TSO since everyone was town reading him.

YT - Consensus lynched just force a lynch pool decided by 1 player and this early in the game where not all information has been pointed out yet it is very bad.

Rob - I don't like his push on me and has been tunneling hard all game (can anyone confirm this is what Rob is usually like)

Sircakes - Mr. BrokenRecord, telling people to vote me without actually having much to add himself, basically he has been durdling around most of the game as far as I can see.

[beeboy]

Oh, I'm so sorry I've hurt your delicate feelings by stating you weren't on top of my schedule. I promise to give you proper attention when I'm less occupied trying to get obv!scum lynched. You see, when I see scum I tend to try to lynch them rather than keep it to myself and try to engage with someone else who could potentially mess up with my mind. Your case though will become more apparent towards the middle of the day, so I will -by then- decide on whether you're still a suspect worth inspecting or have actually lift up yourself towards the more secure slots. Until then, feel free to do whatever makes you happy. BEST OF LUCK.

ewww

[beeboy]

VOTE: Almost50

worstpost2015

[beeboy]

This isn't very coherent at all. Come again?

Are you referring to the 1, 2, 3 point system?

Yes. The consensus lynch system seems very anti-town. Also informs scum what the safest wagon to hop onto is.

[beeboy]

Im scum

ewwwwwwwww

Your lucky almost50 is even worse.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

Since I think rob is scum I don't want to be a part of this.

[beeboy]

I would like anyone who doesn't buy the guilty result on me to explain why the hell scum-Rob would claim a guilty on me, when all it'd do is probably get him lynched the next day. And ya it could have been a legit guilty even if he is scum here, but if he was scum, with an info role and got a guilty, why would he openly post it and basically tell the other scum team to shoot him?

To be honest I can't grasp the situation at all which is why I am aborting.

[beeboy]

Maybe I should vote I don't know ;-;-;-;-;-;-; I am so confused I will read later.

Rob is scum so I shouldn't believe his guilty but it is so early it doesn't make sense. ;_;

[beeboy]

Really mind boggling situation unless I am wrong and Rob is really town.

[beeboy]

Aside from the fact that Beeboy's reads aren't actually very static

In what way is this true outside me going from Town to Scum Dwlee?

[beeboy]

AND YOU JUST FUCKING "FORGOT" AN INCRIMINATING RESULT?

Although I do think Rob is scum due to his tunnels all game but my problem with this is the same problem with the Dwlee wagon. As much as this is scummy af I can't evaluate the risk vs reward in this situation to make a scum ever want to do it.

One thing I am thinking of is that Rob predicts that the game is only going to get worse and worse so if he claims now he can least deflect the wagon off of Almost50 but that scenario requires the knowledge of Almost50 being scum.

[beeboy]

I didn't even check my PMs until the moment I made that post, you dolt. I didn't forget a guilty.

The day started while I was working on some stuff due this morning, and I just saw the thread open. I haven't been getting emails when I get PMs lately for some reason.

So you used an investigative action and didn't think of it. You also saw at least 2 new messages in your inbox and decided to not read them. Ya this is way too fishy to be legit.

VOTE: Rob

[beeboy]

Why the fuck not, I don't know. You people keep fucking thinking this is multiball as if one person of one scum team can't go and appear confirmed-town by getting a scum from a second team quick-lynched. Not that I think Mimi is scum, but you people should not think it's impossible or take his quasi-claimed result at such face value.

So I think I grasped this situation assuming this is multi ball.

I think Rob is a scum investigator who was being honest about the claim (or simply lying scum). In multi ball right now Rob being a scum investigator makes sense. Also as town if you are investigating people you actually care about I doubt you wouldn't check your pms to see what the result was but as scum it is reasonable to assume that the result isn't important to you which is why you didn't bother to check it.
If my theory is true determining whether rob is investigative scum or just lying scum we can just watch him flip and if he flips an investigative role we can confirm that Nicole is also scum.

[beeboy]

Ok, now that I'm caught up, I've got to say something. This playerlist is blatantly retarded. Like, actually, certifiably retarded. There, got that off my chest.

When someone claims a guilty, there's an easy way to confirm whether they're town. Lynch the person who the guilty is claimed on. You'll either get scum in the first lynch (99.9% of the time) or know exactly where to lynch to find scum in the next day (0.01%). At worst, you're getting a 1-1 trade. More likely, you're just getting an immediate lynch on scum. HOW IS THAT A BAD FUCKING DEAL?!?

In this situation, Mimi claimed a role that literally just gives information on the setup. Guess what? That's basically useless. The parts of the setup that matter (how many scum teams, presence of an SK) will become very clear after Night 2, or Night 3 at the latest. The rest of the info (what town PRs exist, for instance) is not beneficial for everyone to know, since it can help scum coordinate actions. Mimi's role is basically neutral power, possibly even negative utility at this point. So it's not like I'm claiming a guilty on a claimed cop or something. I could understand the pause if I was trying to get you to lynch a claimed very beneficial PR. I am not. I claimed a guilty on someone who wasn't claimed at the time, and later claimed something practically useless or even harmful. So what the fuck is the hold up here?

Some people have said that the investigation target doesn't make sense. Those people should replace out of any game where they draw an investigate role. It's textbook town investigative play to target the nulls. Who is more null than someone who has zero posts for the whole slot? It's the obvious investigative choice.

Some people have said they didn't believe that I wouldn't check my PMs. To that, all I can say is that I forgot (ironic, I know), but I remembered within an hour or two and claimed. This is weird, and I can give you that, but there's zero scum motivation for purposefully waiting two hours to try a gambit. Like ... nothing happened in those two hours that would have required me to do a gambit. There was no new pressure on me in those first couple hours. If you're claiming something happened to force scum!me to throw themselves into a 1-1, you need to make an argument for what that thing was, because no such thing appears to exist from where I'm standing.

And others are just dragging their feet and doing a whole lot of nothing for no reason. Pisskop, for instance. Why are you, specifically, not voting mimi? He is not the only one, by any means, but gotta start calling out the people just sitting on the sidelines somewhere, and pisskop's the king of doing that, so yeah.

The fact that there is resistance to lynching someone who has a claimed guilty result on them should turn some heads. Under the probable circumstance that Mimi is lynched and I'm killed Night 2, look at the people who dragged their feet. I have a feeling those who are outright attacking me (and even voting me! jesus christ!) are just idiots. The ones waiting to see how this plays out are scum figuring out how to react.

If you are a scum investigator in a multi ball setup it almost confs you as town and we lose our doc.

[beeboy]

I saw ZERO FUCKING THIGNS UIN MY INBOX.

I DON'T GET EMAILS WHEN I GET PMs. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING WAS THERE.

I clicked a bookmark to come to the thread while I was procrastinating on an assignment I was in the middle of working on and checking up on my mod commitments. I noticed the thread was open and started reading . THIS IS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND

You are a scum investigator if you are an investigator at all. Town would want to check there pms if they actually cared about the results of the night action but to a scum investigator those results aren't that relevant until the night phase.

[beeboy]

what

Why wouldn't town care about there own night action? I can't imagine a town wouldn't want to know if there read was correct and the person they targeted was scum.

[beeboy]

If you think he's telling the truth then you should be voting Nicole.

Like this is incredibly stupid. When a Cop claims a guilty on someone, you don't lynch the cop, you lynch the guilty.

He isn't a cop he is an investigative role, he said if he claimed it would be easy for Nicole to make an excuse to justify her townyness. This means there are situations where nicole is town.

[beeboy]

That was a hypothetical. He has said there is no possibility for Nicole to be town with his results.
Pisskop, why are you doing literally nothing to push anyone right now?

Why would town forget about there results if they held any purpose?

[beeboy]

If I was a scum investigative, why wouldn't I just survive the day, wait until night, and then shoot the scum? That is obviously the optimal play. I could maybe see claiming a guilty when under heavy pressure and worried I wouldn't get to tell my teammates, but why claim it? It would force me to either provide innocents or guilties later which were reliable and become suspicious for surviving, even if some type of Mafia Doc targeted me.

The claim that I'm a scum investigative relies on the following assumptions which have a laughably low probability:

- Mafia has a Doctor.
- Mafia has an investigative role.
- Mafia would out a guilty on the other scum team at all, forcing them to provide a constant stream of investigative results to town or get lynched in a later day.
- Mafia would have to accept the risk that they're wrong somehow via redirect/miller/whatever, which would have no blowback if they used the kill, but obvious blowback if they tried to use the lynch.
- Mafia would have to somehow want to wait two hours, having already decided to out the guilty. (....?)

It's either that, or I didn't check my PMs. Which is more likely? Seriously?

Out of curiosity what are your reads right now I want to re-evaluate my read on you?

[beeboy]

Why would scum fakeclaim a guilty here? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Why would town not be eager to verify there read?
Although I want to talk to rob not you about this.

[beeboy]

On who? Mimi's a hard scum read if you haven't guessed.

Just your scum reads as a whole. I am having trouble finding your stance on this game.

[beeboy]

No. Quit fucking making plans that basically go, "powerlynch Rob if Mimi flips town", and actually explain WTF scum-Rob would have to gain by fake claiming the result. I actually am town, and I have a preeeetty decent town read on Rob. Pushing that will entirely fuck us over. I don't really care if the way he claimed was "sketch" or whatever, it's not.

From my POV, I'm town, and I'm certain Rob is town and somehow managed to get a result that was manipulated in some way. It doesn't make any sense to do it the way he did unless he's just town. And yes, if you all promise not to lynch Rob after me, I'll accept me being lynched but not a second before I'm current, I post my final catchup posts/reads, and have at least had some chance to ask/clarify w/e outstanding questions I have.

I don't buy this at all, Rob literally pointed out how it would not be possible for there to be a redirect. I don't understand how you can town read Rob and not actually agree with any of the claims he is making.
I just realized even if it is multi ball the other scum team will just kill rob if he is a scum investigator anyway so.

VOTE: Mimi

[beeboy]

L-1 if anyone cares

[beeboy]

Beeboy is waffling more then actual waffles. Second time now he's heavily whiteknighted someone then turned around and voted them.

I never said Mimi was town lol this is a major strawman. I just said I think Rob is scum which I am not flip flopping on and why would I trust a guilty from a scum? Also I never said I think Rob was town even at this point I just think scum will kill him regardless or his alignment since everyone is saying multi ball. If you don't like my play and strawman me so much why don't you try and push me for a change?

[beeboy]

What? Since they hammered you as scum?

Vote: Mimi

Actually? Wouldn't the associations at least have been nice?

[beeboy]

On who? Mimi's a hard scum read if you haven't guessed.

Just your scum reads as a whole. I am having trouble finding your stance on this game.

My reads are somewhat subject to change because I haven't really analyzed the NKs from Night 1 much, since the guilty thing came up.

But I expect to find scum within {Mimi, beeboy, Venmar, wguerts, Almost50, pops, pisskop}.

I consider these people town and would not lynch from within them for the foreseeable future: {YT, Suzune, Cooldog, grapes, SirCakez, Elyse, PeregrineV, T S O}

Which leaves {Not Varsoon, BRantz, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain} somewhere in the middle.

That's separating into very broad categories - townish, pure null, and scumish. Not going to be more specific on who's toward the null side of town/scum, because I don't want to make obvious who my target tonight will be, on the off chance I live.

Even after the second hammer you think YT is town? Other than that I am starting to buy you aren't tunneling and have more thoughts than what I would have otherwise thought.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Mimi

[beeboy]

Actually, that points pretty definitively to multiball. A scum in a multiball setting might do a wall of reads in an attempt to communicate something to their partners.

Stop trying to quick hammer plox.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

[beeboy]

Don't want to be a part of WHAT?

On 1560 You voted her. But on 1631 you switched your vote to ME.

True

This means you've just unvoted ME.

False

Now tell me, are you really that lost you don't know who you're voting?? Or are you just trying to appear active and scumhunting???

beeboy is now my #1 lynch taget, with PK dropping to 2nd & pops coming 3rd. (same lynch pool, different order).

I changed my vote once because I wanted Nicole to produce some contents but I decided a vote on an actual scum read would be better is this really hard to understand?

Can you elaborate on this I feel like I am missing something here because you didn't really make a statement.

[beeboy]

K, go wild. If anyone wants to engage me on anything, ask.

Spoiler:

One day we will play this game again as a fyi.

[beeboy]

beeboy what do you think mimi's reads?

I only read her read on me I want to read the rest of them later when it isn't 2:30am.

[beeboy]

I am too lazy to break down my post at school but you are strawmaning the shit out of me.

[beeboy]

I am?
Care to explain where?
If you can explain where I'm going wrong and are able to say what the hell you were thinking at the times I mentioned my reads may change. If you could focus on explaining what was going on in your head between and during your changes in read on Dwlee that would help most.

I am going to respond to all this later but if you read my ISO I actually have made stances this game. Sorry quoting post takes a second vs hours to quote in computers vs laggy phones

[beeboy]

I've not said you're not making stances. I've said I don't understand how town could transition between your reads as yours did.

Rob13 and Almost50. I still think Rob is a mafia investigator

[beeboy]

@wgeurts if you want Mimi dead why gladiator today?

[beeboy]

I can't get over wgeurts deciding to save the life of a guilty who he himself said he wanted dead.

VOTE: wgeurts