SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

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Bookmark post so I can follow this game from my mains topics.

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pedit: Yosarian, you are creating a parallel where none exists. It's not like roleblocking you. It's like inventing to you. He wouldn't invent a power to someone he was uncertain of. He would only invent it to someone whose alignment he was very certain of.

That analogy does not work, because I'm the only one who can use them. It's an investment that costs nothing.

It's not about cost, it's about risk. If a town slot had an ability to give out a double vote to as many people as they wanted to, they wouldn't give it to anyone they're uncertain of because of the risk inherent in giving power to an unknown.

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this. It doesn't matter that only you can use it and he loses nothing. He's concerned about what you might gain.

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Pedit: Drixx, now you're being dumb too. How is this any different from flum and skybirds doing x gives me power claims? Are we going to just let them do whatever gets them power too withiut any consensus regarding their alignment?

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Hahahahahahaha. So, someone has moved all the votes to cooldog. Unvote fuckers. Don't be stupid. Unfucking vote.

-Cerb

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It should be 7 cooldog, 8 maxwell, right now, with dgb, ep, lowkey, still needing to vofe. We need 2 on cooldog, 1 on maxwell. I do not mind moving my vote appropriately either way. As a matter of fact, since flum didn't want to vote cooldog, I'm doing this:

UNVOTE:

That's 7 each. Those 3 need to vote. All together they couldn't possibly lynch before we can pull off the double lynch. I'll vote whichever doesn't get to 9, once I've confirmed sensei is here, and I can vote, then he can do his double all voting thing..

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....you guys let drixx fucking die?

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I am reading the various dead threads and such right now.

Thank you for an amazing game Varsoon, and the coolest role ever, BUT yeah. What Drixx said. :-/ I don't think anybody is going to be able to honestly claim 3p anytime soon on this site after this game.

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Thank you for the props ABR. I was actually certain you were scum, and just wanted the KC thing to happen to be sure of all the suspects...but I was deathly afraid that if I was wrong and KC flipped scum, the game wouldn't end because of your claimed power, and I would have lost.

And, if you check my pt with wgeurts, you'll see that town could have simply lynched *everyone* today, except for sensei and DP, and on at any time, once they got all those hide runes off.

So yeah.

That was a thing.

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Umm. Hmm. Wait. You weren't lying ABR? You actually had a reflexive kill thing? :-/

I'm not really certain how I just won right now then, as awesome as it feels.

Cause...Rosario Impale would have killed you. And it was on your role card. So....

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I mean, I get the distinction he just made. And I never bothered asking him to clarify it...and if I had been able to get the last bit of my skype chat with wgeurts into the pt, you would see that we sincerely thought we would lose if we got the last scum before abr died...thus the insistence that ABR be lynched today.

It's really more a matter of poor phrasing with regards to my personal win con, than anything else. The win con as it reads left me no reason to think i couldn't win with town, and also made me think a reflexive kill would need to be removed.

pedit: Agreed ABR. I really really wanted to be able to win with you guys.

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Dragging something from my slack chat with Drixx actually.

the wording on the card also doesn't express that town can't win with me

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so yeah

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it's a poorly worded win con

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basically

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I don't actually think it changes anything in the game

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other than people will criticize it

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if my role card had said "targeted killing abilities unique to a role card or faction"

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and "you are a threat to the protagonists and can't win with them"

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it would all be fine.

I think.

pedit:

Oh my. Those...those are pretty major. hmph. Yeah. i don't really know what to say. I love you Varsoon.

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1 sk player endgaming 5 town players is against the spirit of mafia imo. Especially when theres another sk dead.

It would have been superior to have Orlouge achieve an independent win condition from town win.

I disagree with the part about 1 player endgaming 5 players being against the spirit of mafia though. I don't see anything wrong with forcing people to think outside the standard set of assumptions for win cons. I do agree that it would have been nicer if I could have just won with you guys.

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:p Sounds good!

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Well..the outed player winning is really just about whether or not they managed to keep themselves from the noose in spite of being outed.

Do you think if KC had sparked double slash and got the thread before you, quicklynched me, shot sensei, and so on and managed to pull off a win through consecutive days(which wouldn't have worked btw, I don't believe, but still, IF) that would have been agains the spirit of mafia as well?

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Keep talking guys! I want to converse with all of you but I also want to read ALL the threads.

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What really blows is that if we had impaled yos or abr we were most likely going to lynch kling/tcc/the other. Especially after I realized how weird cerb was being about not wanting to be lynched. In particular saying "we're trying to make sure only confirmed town are alive tomorrow" rang super not-genuine considering that there was no way he'd care about that happening at all. So me being right screwed us essentially.

If it means anything to you, I sincerely did want town to win if I couldn't and I really was thinking about what the situation would be if I was wrong about the scum pool and you ended up having to figure out which impaled person was scum.

So yeah there was nothing disingenuous about that post that made you suddenly decide to go back to the triple lynch plan. :/

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The only things I did this game that I would not have done as town are 1) not tell town that todsy, they could have lynched all 5 of the threats simultaneously, and 2) killed pip. I had already recognized (if you check our pt you'll see this noted ) that pip was almost definitely town.

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KC really just needed to either spark double slash or just BE HERE at the start of the day, and she would have won.

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Omg. You people. You don't know me or understand me. I am completely serious when I say EVERYTHING about what I did . s game is EXACTLY what I would have done if I had a town pm, except the two thngs I mentioned above. :/

I mean, the games already over. Listen to what I'm trying to tell you, so you don't mislynch me in the future: I was playing as I do as town.

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Omg. You people. You don't know me or understand me. I am completely serious when I say EVERYTHING about what I did . s game is EXACTLY what I would have done if I had a town pm, except the two thngs I mentioned above. :/

The whole point of mafia is that knowlege of your role subconsciously influences all of your behavior, even if you honestly think you're acting like town.

The whole point of my post is to make you realize that I always play in a fashion which is frequently misread as scum. I was sincerely attempting to find scum in every post of this game, and I never even slightly attempted to determine who had a killing role or tried to ensure a killing role, once outed, got lynched.

So yeah. Umm. Any scum anyone may have seen in my play was a result of them misreading my play, not with me playing differently.

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Zulfy, check my pt too. We were about to kill you for the same reason.

If there was even the tiniest chance you were scum, you had to be removed because my slot had already ensured there was nobody who could kill you in the night. If you were town....why would we risk you wrecking the game even further, when town was so far ahead already?

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Klingon, why didn't you keep the vote hidden and get a quicklynch with it? Well played though.

Every time I sign up for a large I'm reminded why I don't play them. Every time I checked this thread there was like 10 new pages. Lol
Either way, thanks for the game Varsoon. I was wondering how you'd top Stephen universe and you somehow did.

@Cerb. I suspected your slot because of Wgeurts slip. I stand by my scum read on you.

She needs to have bit active to ignite people. That bit explains that particular weird nuance of her play.

...Cerb you're third party scum.

Your point? Once my targets were dead, and my alignment outed, I had to ensure the scum team died at least one day phase earlier than the town did, because if I didn't, I would be lynched. I had the same goal as town at that point, and a shorter time limit in which to achieve it.

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Eh, sure. You misplayed. Got punished for it. It happens to everyone.

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Oh. Flum. What waa wgeurts slip?

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Also mollie, much love. I'm sorry I was such an ass during parts of the game, but being ignored when I was actively trying to find scum really irritated me.

No harsh feelings?

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Also mollie, much love. I'm sorry I was such an ass during parts of the game, but being ignored when I was actively trying to find scum really irritated me.

No harsh feelings?

I don't think you were an ass at all! I am sorry you felt ignored, I felt that way too but I didn't trust you and surely you can understand that? I felt talking to you wld confuse the tenuous grip i had on the game. my reads were gut and they were right for the most part but having good reads is only 50% of good town play IMO. the rest is game navigation and there was a lot of compromising. I still haven't gotten feedback on this btw if I did the right thing.

I am 1 of those players who doesn't talk to scum. or try not to at least. does that explain things?

It's okay that I felt ignored, nothing to apologize for there. I just like talking to people and getting answers to my questions, and I keep repeating them forever and ever until I get answers. And yeha, I know you don't talk to people you view as scum. I disagree with that, I think I mentioned this in the thread. I like interacting with my scum reads to drag information out of them. ^^

@Drixx, When I get back into town, I will want to talk about this on Slack. This reminds me of WDPT in some respects.

You should come join us on TeamSpeak Titus! Ask Drixx about it. ^^

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Klingon, why didn't you keep the vote hidden and get a quicklynch with it? Well played though.

Every time I sign up for a large I'm reminded why I don't play them. Every time I checked this thread there was like 10 new pages. Lol
Either way, thanks for the game Varsoon. I was wondering how you'd top Stephen universe and you somehow did.

@Cerb. I suspected your slot because of Wgeurts slip. I stand by my scum read on you.

The BIT vote?

If I kept it hidden I figured I would be found out before long and scumread for it, so I went ahead and admitted to it - all the while hiding my FIRE vote, lol.

Yeah, 99% of my town read on you came from the fact that you used the bit vote super early game, and there was no reason for scum to do that! Also, you having a potential triple vote if you had fire made it feel pretty unlikely to me. But the way it all works out explains why you used it so early on. ^^

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(Basically, I got super lucky that yosarian was insistent on being impaled, and ABR was insistent on not being impaled)

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Well, we got super lucky. I can't forget about wgeurts. We would have died on like D2 without wgeurts from everyone automatically reading all my posts as scum and loving all his posts. ^^

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TY Skybird. <3

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I deserve everything that happened to me. Happy?

No. Even as Scum I felt bad about a lot that happened in the game, some of it my own doing to gain Towncred.

You do have a tendency to over-react and too quickly

, learn patience and editing from this experience. You're a good player,

just a bit too hasty.

Exactly. That is the problem.

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It's okay that I felt ignored, nothing to apologize for there. I just like talking to people and getting answers to my questions, and I keep repeating them forever and ever until I get answers. And yeha, I know you don't talk to people you view as scum. I disagree with that, I think I mentioned this in the thread. I like interacting with my scum reads to drag information out of them. ^^

I think talking to scum gives them room to hide especially if the engagement is lengthy cos a lot of players tend to categorize it as tvt when sometimes that is defo not the case.

I think 1 thing I realized in this game tho is probably an overly reliance on other players to help sort other players cos I really felt I only had titus to talk to and you who I wanted to lynch for stumping itelpip. it was easier to talk to you later in the game when there was a clear focus on scum but instinctively it just felt wrong. but there was no way to really express that in a convincing way. another weakness I have.

you played a great game. <3

eta: I don't think zulfy needs roasting so can we not?

Hmm. So you don't engage with scum because you're focused more on ensuring you can get a town consensus on the slot, more so than you are on using that slot to find other scum? That's...a fair point. I don't do a lot of work to build a rapport with the town. I identify who I think is town and who I think is scum, and I work to batter them down to seeing that I'm right. wgeurts talked to me a bit in our pt about this too, actually. A lot of what he was doing was mainly aimed at trying to get a more positive sentiment going towards us from other players on a more personal level...which is something I simply don't bother about.

And thank you.

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Yep!

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If Klingoncelt picked up Double Slash, she could have lynched Orlouge today, survived through the night, then won.

That was in response to this.

She could have also lynched us during the hours ABR had us voted, even without double slash, and won the same way, got the double slash tonight. GG.

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ok I can't stop beating myslef

becuase

I TOLD YOU SO

I said TCC needs to die immidiatly. I said I don't care that he is 3p. he has a very strong immediate wincon ... I said Its obvious. I saiddd so



pedit : you lost the game when you lynched shiro like that and ABR brought klingon to that adventure...

Yeah. I still disagree with policy lynching 3p. Like, I wouldn't have lynched me if I were you. ^^

Just because it would have been right this time, doesn't mean it's right every time! As I said close to the end of my pt with wgeurts, it's the PROCESS that matters, NOT the result. :-/

I wasn't expecting Cerb at all. I think he did a great job.

Will say more when I'm not on my phone, but I had fun for that ridiculous day phase I got to play. Too bad about the whole dying to a misrecorded kill thing, but eh.

TY MP. You were going to die the next night though ya know. Too much information with a lynch on you.

We were considering shooting KC too a number of times for information. Kept getting blocked and stuff.

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It wasn't a policy lynch cerb

you weren't a servivor

you were antitown. It was obvious when you finished your job you would win ... like srsly yu were an sk (an anti sk by your def) but you would still win with town? nah thats never gonna happen

Eh, there was no reason why our role couldn't have been designed to work with town, other than the flavor stuff Varsoon wanted to see going on. He could have tweaked some other source of town aligned vigilantism, and made us win with town, and boom.

And, based on my claim, it would have been a policy lynch at that time. I saw nothing in the dead thread from you saying that you ever thought any of this BEFORE you knew what our role was and that we'd win as soon as the last one died. You thought we were scum WITH people throughout the dead thread

pedit: Seriously max. Like wtf man. I never get scum, and here you are, always fucking scum.

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Oh. Also. FA: Flavor spec is still dumb. Just because you were right, again, doesn't mean the PROCESS is the right one to use.

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So, FA, the thing about ABR's claim that I corrected: I'm not sure if I was wrong or not? I was talking about where we go to get things, I know you said koorong wasn't where the rune he claimed to know about was located, but...you do get to that rune by visiting koorong first. So...that was the main part of what I was talking about with regards to the flavor spec. The part about WHAT the rune did I didn't have anything to say about.

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Ah. I just misunderstood you then.

I do actually read all of the posts in the game. Sorry for misunderstanding you. And yeah, the effect obviously didn't make sense.

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Yeah, umm, scumreading ABR felt really weird at that ponit, but it just made a lot of sense to me.

KC: I'm so sad that we didn't stump you. We wanted to so bad. Stupid roleblocking and people suspecting us!

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Flum, you know how epic that flavor text would have been if you hammered us? Like, Varsoon could have ripped one of the endings straight from the actual game for that character. Well. Maybe not, because that would hvae flavor confirmed you. BUT STILL!

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(PS Varsoon I love the flavor text you wrote for us winning omg it was amazing)

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Yeah. The amount of self control it took to not do it was unreal when I learned you were the VILLAIN of my campaign.

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But like, at least we charmed you. We just took over your mind and enslaved you, instead of getting you killed. That's worth something right?

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You should make a resolution to never insult another player again FA. I don't care how emotional you get, be respectful of everyone.

He is giving good advice her. Hypocritical advice, but good advice.

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Now time to return to the B5 watching! yay!

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The shiro lynch was the most anti-town thing ever.

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FA, you do need to relax though. Really.

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I may have succeeded in avoiding inclusion too. :p If Varsoon had been around earlier in the day, and kc hadn't flipped scum, I wouldn't have been included in today's lynch after all. It wasn't until the last hour or so before the impale that we were being considered as part of the lynch today again. ^^

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When did you know there was a possibility of senseis vote+yosarian vote doubling, drixx?

I love you too FA. I love everyone too.

I'm sorry this all made you feel so badly.

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Ty FA. and yeah, the lute thing is hilarious Varsoon . I didn't even realize that I was looking at the hammered powers, and just thought oh cool, can confirm someone!

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getting modkilled sux

This would have been like the only time I've ever seen you as town man.

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The other factor was that everyone who adventured with me night 2 believed me that if we could just keep the game going until I had 8 rings the town could autowin, so they didn't want to speed up the game with multilynches.

The day you lynched Shiro, given everyones certainty about ABR's alignment at that point, would have been the optimal day for the mass lynching. I didn't even realize it was an option to that extent, because when you listed rings I just thought you were listed what some of the ones you COULD get could do, since I didn't recall seeing you adventure enough to have as many as you had named.

I wouldn't have mentioned it if I had, but yeah, it would have worked that day, and this is why:

We were down to just 1 scum. Anyone who did anything to mess up that plan would have been essentially scumclaiming, because it was a guaranteed town victory, and there were enough slots left alive in the game that unlike today, messing with the plan wouldn't have won the game for the suspect.

The only issue with it on that day was that ABR was the MC, instead of DP. Had you guys considered the possibility of the mass lynch combined with DP's claimed conftown status, and simply arranged for them to be MC on the same day they could conftown themselves, you had a clear path to guaranteed victory the moment we hit 10 players with only a single scum alive(based on the information everyone had).

That's just how I viewed the situation though. I obviously don't know what information you shared with who about which rings could do what, etc, or at what point you gained that ring, so...yeah. I can't really say whether or not your play regarding that possibility was optimal, since you would have had to engineered the situation in advance of sure knowledge of DP's alignment, and with the assumption of survival for yourself and sensei.

pedit: Shiro, he explained it earlier. He misspoke, I believe, or else he misunderstood himself. Either way, it wasn't intentional.

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FA! I did NOT claim scum! 3p!= scum. I know people like to think that way because it's make their world simpler, but it isn't true!

I know *I* don't think that way at least. Honestly, I should have probably come up with some sort of completely BS claim far in advance of suspicion of us, especially since it was unlikely there were multiple trackers/watchers and we had already seen zzzx use his claimed one shots, given the site meta, but I'm dumb and decided I totally wanted to do something that would force me to argue at great length to stay alive.

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*sigh* SK must kill everyone. I clearly didn't have to kill everyone. Therefore I did not claim SK, nor was I SK.

OH, and the flavor spec stuff: Okay, I will be the first person to admit there is value in flavor spec, yes. I'm simply warning everyone here against RELIANCE on flavor spec, which is what shiro/FA seemed to be doing to a good extent, and which is the thing which they're primarily talking about.

Yes, the flavor spec was correct, but that doesn't mean you should expect flavor spec to be correct. It can be a nice bit of supplemental weak evidence for alignment and to help determine the sense of someones combination of flavor+mechanics and see if the claim seems to be real, but that's about as much credit as I'd give it.

I may be wary though, simply because said flavor spec in Steven Universe certainly contributed to Drixx and I accepting XtoxM as town, and thus did a good bit of work to make us lose that game for town.

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@yoyo, we could have traded to stop Klingon from hammering. I think I was the only one who tried to find the limits of the day trading. Probably because we had no pr to play with.

I was expecting you to do that. That was why I have you the gold.

The other problem is that the hammer restriction only works on known votes; she could still have voted with her regular vote and hammered with BIT.

Still, that was a really brilliant loophole you found. I never would have thought of that.

That's part of the reason I began softening on you being scum. I was thinking, why would Yoyo scum deliberately give me power, doubly so given items have dual purposes? The ingot you gave me unlocked Gold card if we went on an adventure that last night. I came to the conclusion it was a bribe, incorrect though.

She could have hammerred with BIT. Her main vote would have been barred.

As stubborn as I am, I think protect town first (I was just wrong on town).



The situation I was at was as follows

ABR's doctor claim was fake
The shutting off of town powers explains why Drixx and Flum died. It wasn't a townie act fmpov.
ABR not putting Sensei in the party, while being aware hide runes gave protection was a scumclaim. If ABR knew Impale would kill the target, letting Sensei have a shield and THEN getting impaled confirms ABR as town AND Sensei doesn't die. Abr could also heal someone else. If you're getting a shield conftown go.

If we had Drixx and Flum, impaling is much easier and we get it twice. Flum was obvtown.
Ring trade blocks as much anti-town behavior as possible. In the event you were town, ask for the useless one {because I knew it existed because it was our adventure's reward}.

You and ABR quicklynched Shiro. You hammerred with dual votes, which left a very strong possibility that you sparked heaven/hell the last night. If that was the case, the team I thought existed would have won today if you could hammer. 7 alive, lynch two night kills = 4 alive. 2 v 2 is scum win.

Given I was confirmed town, I expected to get the tools I needed to do the mechanics work to put away the rest of the game. Even if my reads are shit, if there's a mechanical way to box out scum, I find it.

Instead, I was spending too much time fighting over my own credibility as confirmed town. Most of the people who knew me and knew the things I could do were dead (again pointing to ABR scum and a little Klingon).

I kept trying to accommodate everyone's wishes at the end of the game (why I changed to triple lynch and not just impale ABR). I felt like I got totally railroaded. The only person I felt was working with me was Mollie and to a minor extent yourself. Mollie I had the luxury (or in her shoes probably annoyance) of explaining why I want things the way I do ten times over.

If you ever see no way to win as town in a mechanics heavy game late, confirmed sort me. If I am town, I will take all the information I have and work it out.

I expected that to happen here. I apologize if I took out my frustration on anyone.

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For what it's worth Titus, your plan was perfect reasonable, and I wholly agreed with your suspicions. The value of that depends on how much you value my opinion though, I guess. The only problem was town simply had no reason to assume they would be endgamed if we were the last threat that they attempted to remove.

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I may be wary though, simply because said flavor spec in Steven Universe certainly contributed to Drixx and I accepting XtoxM as town, and thus did a good bit of work to make us lose that game for town.

Corrupted gems ate bad. You got your flavour wrong. Steven trusted the thing buy in the whole episodes the others were telling him that, nothing can be done.

Pfft. You say this with the benefit of hindsight. From my perspective, there is no reason to not trust the flavor of something which actively protected the MC of the show.

Really, our biggest failure in that game was not recognizing that acid=janitor. That was dumb.

Although we did have a guaranteed plan for success on like D5 or D6 that grapes ruined, so, after that happened we also probably weren't analyzing things as well as we should have been.

Meh. Still dumb. With all the time we put into it(It seems you read the game Shiro...did you read my hydra PT with Drixx?), we should have certainly recognized the acid/janitor thing, and relied on the weak evidence of the "rave" neighborhood names and my inability to remember any other potential scum aligned entity that would be able to qualify as "others", rather than "Gems", since the flavor claim was for a human and thus had to be an other for the real claim to not be outed by the fusion mechanic.

Man. I will never get over losing that game.

pedit: Titus, fair point. You said it was reasonable to let us live and be killed in the night though! False hope.

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That's a trick I learned from Mollie. Really, a bulletproof solution is it dies at night? You know me better than that. Either a) I am the vig, or b) it's a load of shit.

For the record though, it was the truth. :p if lowkey or klingon had been BP scum, I knew I had no hope of winning, so figured I wouldn't even fight against it and would just try to convince you guys to shoot me then.

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She could have hammerred with BIT. Her main vote would have been barred.

I knew that, but it would have been my swan song.

I hammer someone, anyone, and everyone's gonna know I'm Scum. Sure, Day 6 ends right then, and I NK TCC, but at the start of Day 7 I'm lynched as fast as players can hit that vote button.

Yeah, but unfortunately it comes down to availability at that point. Although Varsoon DID say he would allow players to preemptively setup when a ability controlled vote would occur. So, you could hvae told him in the night that you want your BIT vote to be on x(ABR, and you would have NK'd Sensei, after hammering me), as soon as the day starts...for the last day at least. You would however have to be around to just hammer at the start of the next day, while voting yourself for MC.

I actually think if you had hammered me, and NK'd Sensei, and expressed that your plan was to do what I just said above, Varsoon would have just given the win to you, since town had effectively lost, and you had complete control of the lynches/nothing would have been able to stop you from arriving at a you VS DP endgame which you would automatically win(Plus you would have been MC all the days afterwards, so you couldn't have been lynched)

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No worries. I screwed up by not realizing you alone could control 3 votes at the start of the next day. I mean, I had to kill flum as part of my win con (though maybe not, because he didn't currently have access to any of his killing powers), so optimal play for me, if I didn't have to kill flum, would have been to realize that and nk you, and just risk that if you were town, I could argue that we couldn't afford to have someone controlling 3 votes with the fire going around. Since I didn't realize that, your move with subtly getting them to allow the kills to happen that night was a masterstroke that should have won you the game.

Basically, a lot had to go right for me, INCLUDING me misplaying if I didn't need to kill flum, in order for me to win. Super lucky.

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<3 u fa lol. Don't be upset

I feel bad for spiffeh =[

AND WE HAD THE COOLEST ROLE EVER CERB. =[ WOULD HAVE BEEN GOODTOWN

I know right! YOU WERE

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SUPERHERO!! It was like...just be obvtown, and you get to be fucking overpowered. That's all.

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I have no idea what happened this game
BUT it looks like my reads were okay so there's that
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That's what matters. Although from my reading of the scum pt killing you was more of a paranoia move because they has to use the roleblock over the strongman, and all those best targets they expected to see protected.

I've just read through the D2 adventure PT, and it seems my suspicion that I was on the verge of getting wagoned on D2 was totally correct....I did notice one thing that I wanted to mention to mollie though.

I really do think my play in FF VII. Was bad. Hiplop has played with me before, so he knows I'm at lest capable of putting together the pieces if I had ever reread the game, to question why/how you two had such drastic changes in attitude towards one another, if I had ever got around to actually doing such a reread. I assume that's why he was concerned, NOT because I was actually being an effective player at that point.

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Oh, klingon. I realized I was wrong. You quickhammering at day start wouldn't have worked. You needed to lynch ABR or sensei (but ABR is better) AFTER he blocked us, without voting for a MC...and vote yourself for MC at the same time. Then shoot sensei in the night, quickhammer us, shoot yosarian the next night, gg in the morning.

But it doesnt work if abr doesn't block us....and there was no way to remove sensei while ABR was around. And shooting abr would have killed you.

So yeah. It wasn't nearly as simple as I made it sound earlier, and there was a very narrow window for you to pull it off.

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Now all of you high-tail it over to the Scummies thread and fill out the forms to nominate Varsoon and this game for everything category!!!

One day, I'll get them 'noms. One day.

I...I think you've already been nommed for all the things you can be nommed for regarding this game.

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Actually, I just checked and people have nom'd this game for a bunch'a stuff. I'm dumb; forgot they changed the system to a form this year.
I'm interested to see if I win anything from last year.

Mhm. I am also interested if you win anything. Wasn't it supposed to happen a few days ago or something?

(I'm bored. I have no games to play, and am caught up enough at work to be goofing off on the computer)

Cakez: what exactly was kodak momenty from TCC this game? I don't remember doing anything sweet.

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Also...come join the Soccer Spirits game I'm signed up for as a hydra with mastin, cause you'll get to see me play and be SUPER SUPER LAZY.

I am literally going to make votes and reads lists and just give gut as my reason for everything, all game long.

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Yeah, seems like they're having some delays in writing it all out. I've been sick and not really doing much as of late, so I've refreshed it a bunch in vain hopes of seeing who wins what.

I'm thinking of hydra'ing up with I_Am_Not_Varsoon and getting down with the business.

Do it!

Or don't.

Wait no, yes, do it. Makes the game start faster.

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Nooooooo varsoon you're going to make me have ro play it so larges at once again and I'm r going to suck in them both or excel in one and ignore the other!!

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Oh. Okay. :p

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I will more likely be a spectate. as I promised people in ASIAOF I won't join new games for a while

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SPACE DANDY II is 100% ready to ship, just waiting on the review green-light and we're good to go.
I'm very excited to run this for you folks.

Tell them to hurry up! Everybody knows your games come pre-balanced. No need for a review.

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Also, I actually think that game plan is goin got require MORE work from me, because it'll greatly behoove me to actually take notes, in case I choose to change dimensions or get whisked away by someone to the other dimension, gotta be able to remember what happened elsewhere. But that's fine, because honestly it just means I'll just be lazy in my other games.

Good job with the rhetoric reliance though. I can only imagine how this is going to play out with people attempting to reference things they have no ability to prove.

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You can't tease me with multiple dimensions and make me wait longer. I am only in hydra games now, SO I am quite literally logging into this account for the sole purpose of seeing when Space Dandy 2 goes into signups (though I do believe Drixx and I are already pre-inned as RR, I just wanna know it's starting soon. )

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OMG. so much hype right now.

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Holy shit.

PM me when THAT goes into the pre-in phase. Technically, you owe me. Actually fuck it I'd really rather just be in every one of Varsoon's games that I have time for. Damn. Damn. Space Dandy also sounds great, damn. Wish I had time for that one. How many more times can I say damn

Yeah. After SU, I decided I wouldn't miss any of Varsoons games, and luckily he's going to be kind enough to limit himself to one game at at time from now on!
Also, I hate you Varsoon. You make these mafia games that I REALLY want to have full knowledge of flavor for...and thus by letting me know such a game is in the works, you indirectly reduce my free time by dozens of hours... I watched Parasyte, played (some) SF, watched Space Dandy, and now I'm going to play Bloodborne.

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It happened. I bought Bloodborne yesterday.

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Damnit Varsoon.

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Haha. Too late, already played for a bit and got the threaded cane.. Also went with waste of skin cause, ya know, I like making things hard on myself.

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I learned last night that dodge rolls have i-frames. Bloodborne just got way easier, and my plan of stacking endurance to maximize maneuverability is better than I thought. ^^

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Ooh, nice.

I'm still quite early in the game, Found the first boss, but I'm gonna keep exploring the remainder of the first area and then...time to start throwing myself at it until I stop sucking Pretty sure I could beat it at level 10, since I've managed to dodge all of it's attacks and do damage to it...but I always screw up and end up pwned.

It doesn't help that I'm super averse to resource usage, to the point where I'm not going to be willing to actually use a blood vial during the fight until I've managed to get it down to half health or something and start to feel there's a good chance I'll beat it on that attempt.

I'll get it though. ^^

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...when you say 'First Boss', which boss do you mean? There are two different bosses you can go to at the starting area.

One VERY IMPORTANT feature of Bloodborne is to play aggressively. Almost every boss (and enemy!) relies on you being too scared to stay up close to them. Most enemies swing attacks in wide, long-reaching arcs or can pulverize you from far away, making staying back more dangerous for many reasons. Furthermore, the AI is built to punish using items and healing, so 'falling back' to heal is far more dangerous than dodging an attack and healing while the enemy is floundering.

It's also important to 'Rally'--whenever you get damaged, you can restore a large part of that health by attacking enemies. You can even 'Rally' off of an enemy for a second or two after you've killed it, although cleaving up corpses is a bit bloodthirsty. I guess that's the point!

Also; use Molotovs! They do really great damage to beasts.
Of course, they are a pretty limited resource.

And exploration is always rewarded! Explore every nook and cranny.

Really? Two different bosses at the starting area? I'm talking about the Cleric Beast.

And yes, this is why my discovery of the i-frames makes things way easier. I thought I had to get out of reach of things, but now I know I can roll diagonally around them and keep wrecking them.

It's just DMC enough for me to be okay with it, even if I can't quite do the same ridiculous sorts of combinations DMC allowed.

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Cleric Beast is a dead-end, but he rewards you pretty handsomely and gives you some experience fighting the larger types of bosses you'll encounter in the future. If you're building STRENGTH, beating Cleric Beast is really quite important. It also lets you skip an entire section (or two!) of the game later on, provided you purchase the Chief Hunter Emblem afterwards. Regardless, if you're explorative like I am, you won't miss anything even if you do purchase the Chief Hunter Emblem.

You get a different roll if you're locked on--the locked-on dodge has better i-frames and resolves faster.

Yeah, you can't be SSStylish! but you can still pull of some very impressive combinations. Have you been working transformations into your attack chain (use L1 after an attack or after rolling)? Have you used Leaping Attacks (moving forward suddenly and pressing R2 at the same time)? Howabout Back-step attacks (Circle to backstep, then immediately attack afterwards)? These various attacks can be very useful and can make weaving into and out of combat more exciting and powerful, while proving strong finishers.

Well, since skill builds are more my style generally, I do suppose he isn't the most useful, but I will have a good time wrecking him anyways.

And no, I haven't been messing around with various combinations nearly as much as i should be, clearly.

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Yeah, I can see some good potential with bloodtinge+skill builds and timing attacks staggering enemies and setting up for visceral attacks.

Right now I'm playing it pretty lazily, but I see a lot of potential for bad ass play when you're more dedicated.

Do dodges cancel animations?

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Pip, Varsoon has a masters in creative writing or some such. He thinks in flavor mode.

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Yeah; this is basically my normal.

Varsoon, we should DnD. I know you've played! Roll20, voice only, I'll bully Drixx into running a 5e game(even though he's already planning on running one(his first))...I'd do it myself, but I'm too lazy to be a DM.

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I really like 5e....and don't wanna dive into the mess of pathfinder...



pfft. I might consider joining such a game, but I shan't be organizing it.

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MMM. I have pm'd you sir. ^^ If I used site chat, i'd bother you there, but whatever. Too lazy.

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I'm willing to host a D20 for 5e if anyone's willing to play it.

A d20? What is a D20?

And, I'm super down. I have not been playing much lately cuz the main group I played with online was like 2x/week 5h sessions with incredibly slow progression and dead characters meant you made a new one at level 1.

Played for like a year of that(and it was super fun!), and my highest level character was level 6.

So many hours. So little progress. So much fear.