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It's not nonsensical, it's clearly a suboptimal play from molla. And I believe Tim's point is that town should want to hold on to whatever utility their role has even if it's not very much -- I know that's how I play as well.In post 80, Nosferatu wrote:/confirm
I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.
Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.
This is some goofy-ass mudslinging."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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grumpy muchIn post 82, Nosferatu wrote:
oh I'm sorry. 3.6%, not 3.5%. Thank you for making me reconsider so much in my life, I feel like I'm more efficient already. Thank you for letting the point of the post fly over your head at mach fucking 5.In post 81, Expedience wrote:
^ obviously can't round decimals or consider the fact that a cult wouldn't convert themselvesIn post 80, Nosferatu wrote:/confirm
I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.
Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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have you been paying attention at allIn post 91, Nosferatu wrote:how has molla's role lost utility from what he's done so far?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i think you're missing the pointIn post 95, Expedience wrote:0.1% chance of his human town teammates getting culted.
the longer bbmolla is alive, the bigger his mistake becomes"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Why do you think Tim is scum? I think they're townIn post 104, Luna Fox wrote:I think that Tim's scum, and BBMolla's town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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It seems pretty in-character to me for Iec (I assume Iec is posting) to be concerned about optimal playIn post 116, Luna Fox wrote:
Because they seem to have overblown bbmolla's claim out of proportionIn post 114, Cephrir wrote:
Why do you think Tim is scum? I think they're townIn post 104, Luna Fox wrote:I think that Tim's scum, and BBMolla's town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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the point of the probability discussion, while it got excessive, was to determine whether bb's play was likely town motivated.In post 120, Luna Fox wrote:
I think if they're town, they should be discussing alignments instead of probability and if they are discussing probability they should explain how it relates to finding alignment.In post 117, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Luna what do you think about the people who were talking about the probability stuff?
If they are scum like i think Exp is, then they are doing fine by shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.
as much as i don't agree with the conclusion that he's scum for his actions, it has more merit than most early game discussions i've seen"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Why, Ms. Motivations?In post 133, Luna Fox wrote:Tom got overly paranoid for it "increasing chances of being culted" i think that was scummy."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Hm.In post 136, Luna Fox wrote:
I think his motivation was most likely to sling mud in the direction of Molla.In post 134, Cephrir wrote:
Why, Ms. Motivations?In post 133, Luna Fox wrote:Tom got overly paranoid for it "increasing chances of being culted" i think that was scummy.
I think it's potentially having the effect of causing others, if they exist, not to do the same thing molla did. I also don't think it's super likely they expected to get Molla lynched off this/at all, as people tend to townread actions like what he's done.
I've liked her tone, but having seen some of her play before I don't think I'm going to be great at reading her.In post 137, Expedience wrote:FA is seemingly acting as a mediator here and I think it's scummy.
I'm quoting this so I remember to answer it.
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I liked this post. I haven't fact-checked to see whether it's a valid criticism of Wayward Thinker, but it's a post made by someone who's honestly analyzing the game. To be fair, it presumably being multiball makes this less important, but town will still be more interested in putting themselves out there and having strong opinions.In post 46, Tim wrote:"Are you aware there is a cult in the game"
"But what does it mean?"
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"Please give region"
"Why'd you do that bro"
In post 50, Tim wrote:But I'm no closer to understanding why, if you're town, you made someone else's chances of conversion that much more probable.In post 53, Tim wrote:If you really are having trouble following the most basic facets of what I'm communicating to you, I'm just going to assume that you were not thinking like a townie with your non-human race and be done with you.
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YesIn post 66, Tim wrote:
I do. Well I did.In post 54, BBmolla wrote:LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd
There's at least 3 factions that have a 1-shot recruiting ability, and the cult probably is multiple shot but I can't imagine them not being able to recruit humans.
Do Bulletproofs claim so their role becomes worthless? No, because that's stupid.
But by all means, continue to troll. Maybe more sods like Expedience will buy that
These posts all show a consistent and coherent line of thought even if you don't agree with it. Opinions are not shifting in the wind. They make sense if you first assume the player in question cares about this sort of thing which they clearly doIn post 75, Tim wrote:
Do you have any experience playing with BBmolla? He's not bad town. you can say maybe he's performed badly as town sometimes, but he isn't bad town. 2ndly, he has a carefree attitude as all alignments really. And he's done speculative plays before as scum before as well.In post 68, Expedience wrote: Okay, but how does that make BBMolla scum rather than just bad town?
@Bbmolla: Perhaps you don't have the same kind of "how to play a role" sense as I do, but that kind of play really stretches my limits of credulity. In any case my metric for scumminess won't be defined as just that, so if your day play is satisfactory it will do a lot to help your claim
obviously it's only page 6 but that's sufficient for me at this time"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Why do I recall otherwise?
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false, you've failed to account for the possibility that expedience and i are both townIn post 167, rb wrote:Since I give Exped a 67% chance of scum, there's a 0.67 x 0.91 = 61% chance that Ceph is Town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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your dislike of titus' postIn post 210, Heartless wrote:
... huh?In post 205, Cephrir wrote:anti you just hate love and rainbows!
i wasn't serious"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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That was fastIn post 219, Luna Fox wrote:Anti's probably town.
Please doIn post 220, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
Theres a 85% chance that I will post dragon gifs for your next sig worthy post.In post 216, rb wrote:There's a 31% chance I'll say less sig-worthy things when not sleep deprived.
~Fire Song
Both 1 and 2. I've never played with FA and it's been repeatedly established that I'm a massive suckerIn post 225, Heartless wrote:
shrugIn post 213, Cephrir wrote:
your dislike of titus' postIn post 210, Heartless wrote:
... huh?In post 205, Cephrir wrote:anti you just hate love and rainbows!
i wasn't serious
i mean... if ur srsly townreading fa rn
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>ur scum trying to avoid conflict or "townread" ur buddy"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i'd argue that scum probably would know whether or not that information was incriminating. fakeclaims are a thing.In post 237, Salt Squad wrote:BBmolla - Scum doesn't randomly distribute potentially incriminating information in the first few posts of the game when they don't know if the will get town read."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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<_>In post 243, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I prefer to keep myself null on expe though."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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not sure this is trueIn post 246, Salt Squad wrote:Fire bringer trolls as scum more."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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but, like, he didn't do that??In post 249, Salt Squad wrote:
I think that looking for town tells over scum tells is a huge town tell in multiball since scum are prioritizing finding the other scum or getting control over the game by driving lynches because there is another faction fighting for that control.In post 248, Luna Fox wrote:
This is the only post remotely close to scumhunting i've seen from fire.In post 194, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
Town post because the person is weirded out, and only people who are weirded out are town.In post 192, Cephrir wrote:that's one of the weirdest reasons i've ever been townread but okay
~Fire Song
Where are you getting your read from.
Just this?
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but then why would you ever do thatIn post 297, BBmolla wrote:just throwing this out there, when I made my "I'm town" post the irony was that I wasn't 100% sure I was actually town but I figured I was due to lack of nightkill"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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that's a new oneIn post 296, Salt Squad wrote:I am setting a pace for the game that scum can't keep up with and it makes people's alignments more apparent as a result."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Sheesh calm downIn post 306, Salt Squad wrote:
Why would I bother lying about how I like to play mafia?In post 300, Cephrir wrote:
that's a new oneIn post 296, Salt Squad wrote:I am setting a pace for the game that scum can't keep up with and it makes people's alignments more apparent as a result.
I think that if I aggressively have reads scum players will try and match that which isn't particularly easy to do. Or at the very least it generates discussion. Is my play style bad in your eyes or something?
~Bee
I just don't know that I agree scum will try to do that or will fail if they try"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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perhaps he doesn't have the benefit of having a fake role pm to look atIn post 308, Nosferatu wrote:
I would've figured from your role pm kekIn post 304, BBmolla wrote:
Reactions to my fullclaimIn post 302, Cephrir wrote:do you know you're town now? if so, how?
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^scumIn post 330, davesaz wrote:
Are you referring to the having a night kill part, or winning with a faction part?In post 324, Luna Fox wrote:
Well my win condition indicates that i'm town so i doubt this is necessarily the case.In post 315, Nosferatu wrote:well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.
^scumIn post 332, Cane + Able wrote:
No, what's scummy is writing off a legit possibility.In post 329, BBmolla wrote:
^once again scumIn post 325, Cane + Able wrote:
Or cult?In post 315, Nosferatu wrote:well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.
Are you trying to piss me off with Robb-like idiocy, bro?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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there's no functional difference between being town and winning with the townIn post 336, Luna Fox wrote:So basically i win with town but im not explictly town then?
The win con looked like normal town win con to me."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i just didn't like your tone in the last postIn post 342, Cane + Able wrote:
Okay pumrir, explain to me how cult isn't a possibility.In post 337, Cephrir wrote:
^scumIn post 330, davesaz wrote:
Are you referring to the having a night kill part, or winning with a faction part?In post 324, Luna Fox wrote:
Well my win condition indicates that i'm town so i doubt this is necessarily the case.In post 315, Nosferatu wrote:well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.
^scumIn post 332, Cane + Able wrote:
No, what's scummy is writing off a legit possibility.In post 329, BBmolla wrote:
^once again scumIn post 325, Cane + Able wrote:
Or cult?In post 315, Nosferatu wrote:well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.
Are you trying to piss me off with Robb-like idiocy, bro?
While you're at it, explain why me poking at a logical hole makes me scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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am i supposed to careIn post 346, Cane + Able wrote:I was reminding Molla who I was in the last post."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it sounded an awful lot like the intent of post 346 was to defend against my dislike of your post. so it looks like you do care. was i wrong?In post 352, Cane + Able wrote:
Was I supposed to care whether you care when I said it?In post 350, Cephrir wrote:
am i supposed to careIn post 346, Cane + Able wrote:I was reminding Molla who I was in the last post."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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+1, I think.In post 375, Luna Fox wrote:RAM maybe town, No Retreat also maybe town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i have no idea why i wrote thatIn post 382, No Retreat wrote:how is it "presumably multiballl" in a known multifaction game?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Even though I agree with three of these reads prima facia, I don't like anything about how you're expressing them. They're wimpy.In post 492, Wayward Thinker wrote:OK, so here is what I have for reads:
Town:
Dav - for being so proactive so early/pointing things out that he doesn't need to
No Retreat - Just seems like Town motive
Expedience - I don't think they do what they are doing as Scum
My one Scum read is:
Nosferatu - doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.
I fucking love this post. My love of this post borders on the sexual.In post 534, Stormblade wrote:Goddamn so I had 5 pages down in a big long catchup post and then my computer crashed so you people are just gonn ahve to to dealwith this shit sloppy shit and ur gonna like it
ok first 5 pages. from what i remember it was mostly bbmolla being dumb and ppl yelling. Tim was mad at him and i couldn't decide if it was disingeousous "trying really hard to look like town" or actually town. bbmolla wasn't actually town fori t. copper was right on that. luna was right to say people should stop giving a fuck. SC was bad when he called luna scum for that but was town when he said something else and i dont really remmber what it was. also THIS GUY. THIS FUCKING GUY. THIS GUY IS SCUM. AND IM GONNA VOTE HIM RIGIHT NOW:
VOTE: EXPEDIENCE
im actually so pos of this and whenever i get confident early game reads they're usually right so look the fuck out dude im tunneling you till the end of time.
other stuff. The ice head of Ice and Fire got salty and Titus called her town for it and Titus was probably right but NAI from Titus. ASOIAF lean town tho. Nosferatu dishes out some quality bant and Cephir apparently isn't about that lifestyle but he can step off bc Nosferatu is cool by me dude. i feel ike scum were moe inclined to harp on that molla bullshit for as long as they could bc it's the kind of discussion where ucan blend in and earn #townpoints without actually having reads.
anyway more to come SOON probably maybe and i will likely be more drunk by then this is just first 5 pages.
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I like Heartless and I want them to townread me so I can work with them!In post 542, Stormblade wrote:
Hey what's up Ceph. What's got you frowning?In post 464, Cephrir wrote:<sad pumbaa>
Albert
In post 561, Expedience wrote:ok I would like to lynch Luna Fox or davesaz.
Oh right, you don't get me. <_>In post 564, Heartless wrote:
On Cephrir, I just think his overall posting is pretty craptacular. The occasional Nosferatu shots aren't very good and don't have any teeth. There's also his latest post on davesaz (Post 393) which gives me the distinct "pushing-but-not-really-pushing" feel that I think scum try to shoot for in multiballs.In post 467, davesaz wrote:
Reason on Cephrir? And not on the same wavelength on the others?In post 468, Heartless wrote:
I'm on the same wavelength with the Tim read.In post 199, Heartless wrote:could vote wayward or tim. not liking beeboy posts from the salthydra
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I didn't think Tim's 46 was about BBmolla.In post 578, Stormblade wrote:extremely shallow read. my first inclination was BBmolla was town for it but reading it again i was like "but why the fuck would he do this" and it instantly occured to me that he might be making an early claim for townpoints because that's something lots of people tend to townread but the info is honestly going to be widely useless."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I thought they were talking about Lickety's hydra, whatchamacallit.In post 584, Stormblade wrote:
No excuse for scumminess.In post 581, Expedience wrote:Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.
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Oh??? Well was Expedience talking about BBmolla? That's how I interpreted it >_> who else would they be talking about???Cephrir wrote:
I didn't think Tim's 46 was about BBmolla.In post 578, Stormblade wrote:extremely shallow read. my first inclination was BBmolla was town for it but reading it again i was like "but why the fuck would he do this" and it instantly occured to me that he might be making an early claim for townpoints because that's something lots of people tend to townread but the info is honestly going to be widely useless."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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oh god i missed this awful, awful, awful scumpostIn post 581, Expedience wrote:Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.
VOTE: Expedience
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they're pretty scummy too, yesIn post 594, dramonic wrote:I wanted to vote C+A, but I don't feel that way anymore.
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i don't know if this is gonna work for me, but i do remember that you're a moonlogickerIn post 604, Wayward Thinker wrote:Something you should know about me: my reasons for my reads don't mean much, what matters are my reads. you played a game with me and saw my case on MonkeyMan in that StrangeCoug game so I expect you to relook at that if you have further doubts about my reasons."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i already noted posts from nosferatu i lowkey didn't like.
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Ignore the numbers and you'll see there's content in those posts.In post 608, MathBlade wrote:
Light scumread on RB right now for posting math instead of content.In post 164, Luna Fox wrote:
whyyyyyIn post 159, rb wrote:I want to talk about percentages again.
Well percentages of someone being scum due to some weird math is fine, i just dont get the benefit of discussing chances of being culted, when the only ones interested in that would be the cult recruiters.
Don't get me wrong I love numbers but this is bad.
If y'all want probability numbers I can fucking do that but that leads to a ton of gambler's fallacy and I would rather focus on scum hunting.
we've all had itchy trigger fingers for 20 pagesIn post 611, Wayward Thinker wrote:What is with all these naked votes?
In post 615, Titus wrote:VOTE: Cane and Able
The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum.
i'm not one of those people who gets super annoying about itIn post 619, Heartless wrote:
yeah... spare me thisIn post 464, Cephrir wrote:<sad pumbaa>
in the umpteen faction thing mastin's got goin' here, townreads are going to be a little harder to come by so the whole "fhd;lksaf;dsafjdsa;lk shucks i wantz townreadz" rn is ... not happenin"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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that's efforting? i dont have a strong read on them yet and i don't have a clue why you doIn post 615, Titus wrote:VOTE: Cane and Able
The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i can think of like 8 posters who are more active and engaged, and they probably aren't all town. go back to the reads store and buy a new one.In post 622, Salt Squad wrote:Nos is a townread for activity and engagement"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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please regale usIn post 627, copper223 wrote:One bad reason after another for town-reading or avoiding heartless.
They tripped 3 alarm bells in their opening posts, if they are scum it should become clear pretty soon if you guys stop propping them up."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it improved if you didn't stop paying attention.In post 632, Salt Squad wrote:Actually yeah Titus could be scum
Her whole 1v1 with Cane and Able was bad and her Heartless townread is bizarre
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