You're obv not-scum. That doesn't make you obv-town.In post 5980, Wake1 wrote:True, but you should be kissing my butt this game since I'm obvTown.In post 5976, rb wrote:"It's wise to be... cautious... with Wake."
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But whatever I'm just tin-foil hatting right now.
Honestly though I must just be inexperienced at multi-ball because it seems so fucking weird that I'm being asked by what I'm like 95% sure is a town player to do the thing in a SCUM FACTION WINCON and kill a Wulden. It feels so disgusting but I think I'm starting to accept it's the right play for town...I think?-
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You actually had to ask Mastin to know that?In post 5983, Wake1 wrote:When I was Scumhunting Mastin in the PMs he told me to look at the 50% wincon and asked me if it looks like a Scum wincon, and basically said that yes it is one.-
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I think we established like automatically that the 50% WinCon was scum because it said in page 1 with one of Mastin's mechanics points that there's a scum faction which wins when it controls 50% of town...wtf else would a 50% WinCon flip be?
*puts tin-foil hat back on*
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You're not ACTUALLY obvTown though.
Yes I've been reading the thread. It's mod-confirmed every faction that would need it has a fake-claim. There's literally fucking nothing that makes you obvTown because remember, this is a multi-ball game moron. Not just that, a multi-ball game with MOD-CONFIRMED fake-claims for ANY PLAYER THAT NEEDS IT.
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Okay. I'll summarise it for you. The following are the flips that we know exist:In post 5998, RachMarie wrote:boys boys you are both pretty
can we focus here on the information and parsing it please?
Town flips:
- West Empire Faction
- Individual Humans
- Individual Vampires
- New Humanity Treaty
Scum flips:
- Isolationists
- Insertcultfactionhere
Other:
Destroyer of Worlds
It's possible there's a Town and a Scum flip we haven't yet seen. Northern Tribes sounds like it's the Town one. Might not be.
With the amount of Undead that died, it seems like there might be an anti-undead faction. That could very well be the cult.
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FTFYIn post 6003, Wake1 wrote:Think about it.
Wulden and Isolationist are opposingMafiafactions.
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@Mathblade it's really annoying me that you keep telling everyone to stop talking about mechanics and then you just keep clarifying people on mechanics. If it's because you get pressure behind your left eye whenever you read a Wake or Almost50 post just follow this simple algorithm:
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Only Town I still have a semi-confident read on at this point is Toogeloo.
Wake is probably 3rd Party.
Mastin corrected my Mathblade Nation check - it's 'Other' and not West Empire. I have to look into what a Nation/Location combo of Other/Great Ridge implies.
DGB I don't know anymore because of what Tim said
I feel like Tim might be town though.
Have to double check but I seem to remember Nahdia really wanting us to kill Expedience and I trust her instincts on that one. Wayward is still scum imo. RAM, Cephrir and Salt Squad all went to efforts to avoid voting them (will double check). I don't know if that's just because they really wanted Kuroi dead or something but to me that seems somehow significant. Also some of the people who've town-flipped really wanted Wayward dead.
Nosferatu I'm mixed on. Bacde says they're guilty, but I don't know wtf to make of the Bacde slot. Their representation of night actions are accurate though, if people would just use their brains when they read it. Yes, I doubt scum!Bacde lies at this point, but Heartless has confirmed their reads as well. I don't really scumread Heartless that much. There's still the thing about scum in the hood....but it's not impossible they were just all wrong about it. It feels like a lot of confbias to lynch Bacde now based on that. Bacde's "townslip" could be real or fake, voting RAM was just ridiculous. Don't know if scum!Bacde pulls something like that when their slot is under this pressure. Cbf diving their meta though.
Overall, I want to lynch:
Wayward
Expedience
LLD
Wake
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Okay, fair enough. I just see it as a quality of life thing because A50 so far:In post 6225, MathBlade wrote:.....
<<insert eye twitch emoji >>
Bullshit is annoying to me. I don't ignore posts. Everyone playing the game deserves to have their posts read. This post feels wrong.
- didn't even realise Nosferatu checked Cephrir N1, when that was a major part of the game
- doesn't realise that race and nation/location checks are separate things
- doesn't understand how RAMs conditional bulletproof works
- still can't fathom the concept that everyone who needs a fakeclaim, has a fakeclaim
- can't even follow a simple pattern of night actions when put into bullet point form
Wake:
- has to ask the mod if a 50% wincon flip is the mafia faction when it says on the first page that the scum faction has a 50% wincon parameter
- still can't understand that faction = wincon and asks questions like "IF WINCON CHANGES, DOES FACTION CHANGE TOO?!"
- apparently doesn't fathom the concept that everyone who needs a fakeclaim, has a fakeclaim and keeps insisting he's ObvTown.
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Pretty sure Wake is 3rd party. A50 could be anything but his points on mechanics are not even remotely coherent or helpful.
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You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?In post 6228, Wake1 wrote:RB, youDOrealize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?
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Cool story bro, because it's totally impossible that you wouldn't have a believable fakeclaim or anything.In post 6231, Wake1 wrote:
My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.In post 6230, rb wrote:
You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?In post 6228, Wake1 wrote:RB, youDOrealize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?
Aaaaand, this is why I skip.
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Your Nation is Other? Is your WinCon also 'Other' Mathblade?In post 6234, MathBlade wrote:
And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*In post 6231, Wake1 wrote:
My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.In post 6230, rb wrote:
You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?In post 6228, Wake1 wrote:RB, youDOrealize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?
Aaaaand, this is why I skip.
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EBWOPIn post 6241, rb wrote:So then why am I derp town for calling out Wake for saying, "check my nation!" when it should be fucking OBVIOUS that it means nothing?-
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I've read all of them and they don't mean shit because:In post 6243, MathBlade wrote:Because you aren't seeing the other posts that make Wake obvTown and if I spell it out bad things happen :/
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The power of Nosferatu lying.In post 6259, Tim wrote:The question is, in a world where bacde is telling the truth, how does he magically see Nosferatu. In other words, what fantastical power makes Nosferatu target RAM instead of his intended target of stormblade.-
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Tbh at this point it doesn't even matter what LLD says. If town the best she can do is provide her reads to help us out if she does flip town.
If scum she's just gonna wifom us. Either way she's going to be the day's lynch because her race is cop-read as Wulden, she's not contesting that but instead claiming to be Individual Wulden. There's a scum faction that needs all Wulden dead seemingly regardless of their alignment, so we're lynching because it's massively likely all Wulden are scum. If there's an exception she's most likely the only one.
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So, proposal: let's figure out the other stuff, decide where the other scum are.
If LLD provides content, we ignore it until flip: then we either use it (because she flipped town) or dismiss it because she flipped scum. But there's zero benefit to us in focussing on her or ending this day early.
@ASOIAF: who else is scum to you? Why?
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Can't really figure out why you constantly tell people to stop mechanic-talk and then you wanna have a heart-to-heart with everyone about mechanics at the same time. You keep saying we should scumhunt, but now instead of hunting you wanna have another heart-to-heart about the shittiness of Mastin's mechanics.
Mastin's mechanics aren't bad, it's not a bad game. It's a bad game for LLD because she replaced into being race-read as Wulden which we know is pretty much confirmed scum.
If she's scum it doesn't give us thoughts, it gives us wifom that we should absolutely ignore. If Town then it gives us thoughts. I'm not "ignoring" a scum read. Ignoring a scumread would be me bothering to tunnel LLD who is basically dead no matter what. The horse is dead. If LLD wants to help us because she's town, I encourage her to do so and I'm sorry she replaced into such a shitty slot. Not much else we can do though.-
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I'm just saying, I don't know how to read it when you say, "let's go scumhunt!" and then you keep correcting people on mechanics instead of pushing your scumreads. Like in a game this big you can't really do anything about people not understand the mechanics entirely, and you're not actually scumhunting despite saying it's what we're supposed to be doing over and over. That's my point.In post 6326, MathBlade wrote:
...In post 6296, rb wrote:Can't really figure out why you constantly tell people to stop mechanic-talk and then you wanna have a heart-to-heart with everyone about mechanics at the same time. You keep saying we should scumhunt, but now instead of hunting you wanna have another heart-to-heart about the shittiness of Mastin's mechanics.
Mastin's mechanics aren't bad, it's not a bad game. It's a bad game for LLD because she replaced into being race-read as Wulden which we know is pretty much confirmed scum.
If she's scum it doesn't give us thoughts, it gives us wifom that we should absolutely ignore. If Town then it gives us thoughts. I'm not "ignoring" a scum read. Ignoring a scumread would be me bothering to tunnel LLD who is basically dead no matter what. The horse is dead. If LLD wants to help us because she's town, I encourage her to do so and I'm sorry she replaced into such a shitty slot. Not much else we can do though.
I am not having a goddamn heart to heart about mechanics Jesus. I am just correcting bullshit. It is through correcting said bullshit you find out if people are town or scum.
LLD is not a replace in :/ Like are you mixing up games here?
Bah I do not understand you RB I don't. It is like you are trying to give LLD excuses to not interact. I agree they are probably obv scum but stop giving likely scum hints already Jesus.
I fell asleep while writing this post and then woke up tried rereading and still don't understand. LLD is probably going to be lynched but I guess we just play things differently or you are just infuriating me for no reason...but that would make you scum which goes against my prior reads...
Welcome to WTF pile RB.
I have no idea how you're meant to find out if people are scum or town through correcting mechanics bullshit because I've seen scum and town all be wrong and right about mechanics at certain points. It just seems irrelevant to me and I keep waiting for all my townreads to reach the same conclusion and stop worrying about it. I'm not giving LLD excuses, I'm giving Town some direction, namely:
1. Don't quicklynch and waste the day
2. We know LLD is probably scum, so anything she says is gonna be wifom at best when she flips
3. Focus on pushing your other scumreads
I will say though, I'm genuinely sorry if I'm interrupting your scumhunting or stepping on your toes without realising. Maybe you just have different methods to me, so I'll just stfu and let you do your thing as from what I can see you're more than competent. I'm just getting frustrated because I didn't want a quickhammer on LLD since that's definitely what scum would love today, as there's multiple players still milling about. We need to spend today pushing other scumreads to make the town-game stronger going forward. Agreed?
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Nosferatu is probs scum. My own Gut read + Bacde's night checks (which I think are legit regardless of her own alignment) tell me we should lynch there.
Also Wayward Thinker/Expedience are good lynches. Wake might be 3rd party but I don't see a point going down that road right now. Re-reading him and his "oops!" moment when he realised that Nation =/= WinCon seems legit enough that he wasn't using it as a fake-claim. I think. In either case I'm less sure about Wake than my other reads so I'm not lynching there.
DGB/TWIE are just completely bypassing my filters. A50 might need to die at some point but he's towntelling more than some of the ppl in the middle of the pack. We're at Day 4 which means there's presumably like 4scum + 3-4 cult? The game is looking really grim for Town and I don't want to waste a lynch on someone who I find confusing, because I don't think confusing is alignment indicative.
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It's not really a hard clear like you're implying from my POV.In post 6446, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:there is an innocent result on bacde
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Fucking wow does this mean we can actually lynch the person I've been trying to get lynched since day 1??In post 6624, Bacde wrote:
Uh...In post 6597, Wayward Thinker wrote:
I believe that we are suggesting in this game that your race says little about your alignment, rather it just gives a jumping off point in order to make cases.In post 6596, Bacde wrote:You realize I'm basically innoed right?
By nature of me being in the undead faction group that was confirmed to be townsided
and confirmed to only have undead or possibly wulden in it
and now being confirmed to be undead?
You didn't read my post at all did you?
There's a lot more than race going on as to why I'm innoed
Did you forget to use race as a jumping off point to determine alignment?
Wayward thinker seems like scum actually
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Rach I don't question your motivations but I question your accuracy on this read.
I thought Bacde was scum for like all of Day 2, but I started to change my mind on Day 3. Re-read from Day 3 when Bacde first replaced in, I really don't think they're a better lynch than someone like Nosferatu/Wayward/Expedience. If you disagree then okay, Bacde isn't a TERRIBLE lynch but I think they're low-hanging fruit for today.
Like we had this big theory there was scum in Luna's hood. We don't know there definitely is. A lot of townflips have had Expedience/Wayward as their scumreads - Wayward's Day 1 wagon was derailed onto Kuroi by multiple scum that have flipped. I'm reading WT scum, the flips support the theory that they're scum. Let's lynch scum please. My head's gonna explode because I've been trying to get people to see scum Wayward since like halfway through Day 1. But we did have a guilty on Salt Squad and then LLD - so it's understandable. Apparently we have no guilty, so this is the time to lynch the best scumreads - right?-
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There's no actual proof there's a spy, they were just basing it off some flavour mastin said about their hood not necessarily being scum-free. They all figured there was scum in their hood, but it isn't necessarily true. If their race is undead, it's still likely they're part of the Undead Risen Slave Wincon. Yeah okay, race =/= alignment but it IS pretty indicative since so far we've seen 3 Isolationists flip as 2Nosferatu/1Vampire and presumably the last member is Nosferatu - and 2 Wulden have both been Wulden Faction scum.In post 6693, RachMarie wrote:WTF he is undead scum
I got the result just like I did on Titus and RAM
his race is undead he was with the undead faction as a wulden SPY duh are you doubting Luna our cop?
It doesn't mean there's a "scum race" but the info you're using to call Bacde scum is not confirmed info. Luna "our cop" never checked Bacde's alignment, so in that regard she's just as likely to be wrong about Bacde's alignment as any other generic Town player. 4 undead players have flipped, all were town. What makes you so sure this undead player is scum?-
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Yeah as mentioned all this means is that it's what she suspected, but she didn't use a cop-read on it.In post 6697, RachMarie wrote:
There you go Luna's OWN WORDSIn post 4697, Luna Fox wrote:In post 4695, rb wrote:@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.
Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.
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@RachMarie: you know who else some town flips have suspected, who I think have more chance of being right than Bacde?
Nahdia wanted us to lynch Expedience.
Dramonic wanted us to lynch Wayward Thinker.
I agree with those reads way more than this Undead one. Also, only humans can be culted - so Bacde is either just Wulden scum (but they aren't Wulden) or she's not even scum. I mean, she could be Isolationist but that seems to not make sense to me because the Isolationists needed to kill the Wulden and Mastin dropped a hint that the only races possible in the hood were Wulden + Undead. So I'd rather not lynch a probable town, small-ish chance of scum player who's immune to culting. I'd much rather lynch a probable scum player who for all we know is cult-able. We haven't killed a single cult yet, so even if they're not scum we stand a chance of hitting cult - yes?
Let's kill the cult-able scumreads before the uncult-able scumreads. It's the best thing to do right now. We have to make a dent in the cult because there's presumably at least another Wulden scum, possibly 2 and there's maybe another Isolationist. All non-human factions get 1 recruit - we can't be sure all Isolationists are dead and if there was 3 Isolationists its logical to assume the other scum could have 3. There's also no reason there couldn't be more, right? So right now with 18 players left we're looking at potentially 3scum + 3 cult. That's 12v6 and I think we should lynch the cult-able players first.
ISOIAF claims to be not-cultable. The only reason to disbelieve that is that she's just lying. I don't know how likely that is, but I'm happy to put that off for 1 day.
Wake claimed Human on Day 1 - so unless he's somehow not cultable...
@Mastin are Masons cult-able in this game?
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