Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Shaziro]

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

Let's run this slot up to 16 votes

~T

Seems good to me, get some pressure on something that isn't the dumb parama wagon.

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

[Shaziro]

I agree with the sentiment I quoted, and am sheeping it.

[Shaziro]

Pangolins are the best animal but that gets you no towncred

I'd be down with an iraon lynch, he's lynchbait and the aligned thing is lame, but I'd rather get actual lunches instead of policy

[Shaziro]

He is pretty much always lynchbait, scum or town. I've seen in a few times in games, including Legend of the Hidden Speakeasy. Check that game out, specifically for the time he called me scum for not accepting him saying that if I flip town he'll lynch himself. His argument was that there was no way I could know that the site rules forbid playing against your win condition.

VOTE: iraonavp

[Shaziro]

If you -are- town, claiming vanilla means that scum have one less person to target, as they know you're a low-value target. Vanilla town in role madness should probably be trying to draw the nightkill.

[Shaziro]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=67220

This is Iraon's scum game.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66865

This is Iraon's town game.


If you can find any difference let me know, because I've got nada.

[Shaziro]

Role madness yo. Multiple vanillas is unlikely.

eeewww this post is gross

Remind me to ask you -why- after the game. Don't want you to say now and help them avoid whatever it was during game.

[Shaziro]

Nobody is discrediting you, you literally constantly discredit yourself.

[Shaziro]

Genuine curiosity


What about Titus posting it makes you think scum?

P-edit there's the answer, makes sense.

VOTE: Cookie Bakers

[Shaziro]

Hydra Infighting, or faked Hydra Infighting to get away with changing a vote when the tides turn on it?

[Shaziro]

Ugh Okay Im wording things wrong. Most games on this site end in lynching new and or weaker players day one. Titus was the first to bring this to my attention through skype.messages (and a little bit in the cyberpunk pt) complaining about the site meta and how much she hates it cause it isnt about lynching scum but lynching the new or weaker players. Yet knowing this she hopped on ira's wagon without hesitation
-Dwlee
pedit That is one of the worst reasons Ive seen you give to lynch someone and you are the moon lpgic queen..

Is this your case?

My statement does not change.

- Zach

Hydra Infighting, or faked Hydra Infighting to get away with changing a vote when the tides turn on it?

Nah, you're out of your mind. You must not know how me and Dunn interact in general. Nice one, though. That was kinda cute.

I've literally never met you, but I've met Dunn. Hi new person, I'm Shaziro!

Can anyone weigh in on whether these two actually disagree like this? I thought folks tended to hydra when they get along and have similar/complimentary thought processes on things.

[Shaziro]

I tend to be suspect of hydra infighting in general, honestly. See my previous post where I explained why.

P-edit: DGB, get in here and explain if it was a dumb joke or something!

P-edit2: Iraon asked for it to be publicly confirmed. While it pretty much definitely won't be, I see that as a "I want you to say it so they'll know I'm not bullshitting" kinda thing. Which, unfortunately for my sanity, rings as somewhat towny.

[Shaziro]

iraon, i literally could not give less of a damn how you read me. please stop acting like every single thing i do is done to appease specifically you. please stop posting at me period, actually

Oh hey, you hit the point I did in Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy. Seriously, check that game out, this isn't anything new. Also the other game I linked, because he does it as scum or as town!

[Shaziro]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

I don't think that's scummy.

He's asking the mod to confirm that VTs are possible. This is a ballsy move if he's scum fake claiming VT because what if the mod goes "no VTs"?

Do you really think the mod -would- confirm if VTs are or aren't possible? That definitely seems like a no go, and if Iraon assumes that, he could also be trying to ride off the logic you just used.

[Shaziro]

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Can a hydra's heads really have different alignments?

No.

Also, Firebringer, you beat me to it.

[Shaziro]

I mean, it's a lot of the way you're responding to the pressure, the potential scum motivation behind what you're doing, etc. But no, it's totally just because you claimed VT.

Titushydra can stay for now.

VOTE: iraonavp

[Shaziro]

ok, but why would I need to "fake infighting" to switch my votes
You didn't call me out when i switched votes from iroanavp to Cookie Bakers.

-Dunn

There wasn't hydra dissonance in that switch, so far as I saw. Again, I don't like heads that switch votes saying that the other head did something dumb, because I've seen several cases of that being used to, for instance, remove their bussing vote, get off a wagon that'd look bad for them to stay on, or fake evolving reads. I guess I forgot that questioning something automatically means you're assuming it's the scummier answer, rather than just asking for opinions.

[Shaziro]

Again, wasn't assuming, was asking for opinions.

[Shaziro]

It's a joke. Along the lines of "This person is town-aligned scum", suggesting that they're town, but act incredibly scummy. In this case, Titus is making the hydra look very scummy, but Fire could be swayed the other way if the other hydra head acts towny.

[Shaziro]

Again, wasn't assuming, was asking for opinions.

So you voting me and accusing me is "just asking for opinions"?

Yeah, you're scum-aligned...

Wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Dunnhydra saying I was assuming bussing. It's not all about you, Iraon.

[Shaziro]

P-EDIT: Oh well...

File this under "Uggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

[Shaziro]

I disagree. I think this is a TvT (town-aligned VS town-aligned)

A double white knight

My pet theory is that it's more likely scum that comes up with "stop it you're both pretty T v T"

Hi, is your VT claim from earlier legit?

[Shaziro]

DGB?

[Shaziro]

I was asking them to answer my question, not asking what it means. I've -used- the phrase DGB already. Somebody isn't reading.

[Shaziro]

Three claimed VTs, woooooooooooo!

[Shaziro]

I'm just gonna go play some Fallout 4 and then go to bed. I'll catch back up tomorrow, night thread!

[Shaziro]

Hi I am briefly available, I could do an Ira lynch or a Hot Chocolate lynch, so put me down as a yes.

[Shaziro]

Assumedly, town cred.

[Shaziro]

I have recently played with CCC I can pull the game if someone wants he was town in that game but way too focused on throwing algebra in a logic NOT MATH game.

Aw cmon rach thats ongoing, I thought you knew better

Well shit. It is.

[Shaziro]

actually, I guess the backup claim sort of confirms it, but still.

don't see anything town about hc[/quote
accountant was fooling around too

Alternately, it was a distraction made to then later be called a joke.

[Shaziro]

Fake gladiates, dayvigs, IC claims, and guilties all need to stop being a thing. Just saying.

[Shaziro]

Gross.

[Shaziro]

Fake gladiates, dayvigs, IC claims, and guilties all need to stop being a thing. Just saying.

I am so glad that fake claiming mason with a random town-read hasn't made the list

That's a thing people do? Wouldn't that pretty much just get you instantly lynched when the person says "lol no, we aren't masons"? I can see two scum claiming to be masons when they aren't and riding the wave of "CONFIRMED FOR TOWN", but even that is pretty ballsy if one of them gets NKed or whatever.

P-edit: I'm sorry, do scum not have daytalk? I thought somebody had said they did. If so, why would they coach in thread?

[Shaziro]

Game Rules

Scum have Daytalk.

That's not even what?

[Shaziro]

You guys are mean. Why is everyone voting me?

scumhunt please

^theres the coaching we've been looking for

[Shaziro]

Stop voting me!! I am aligned with the TOWN. I am trying to play in this Mafia game but you guys are really just so mean.

And STOP CALLING ME A HE. I am very obviously a lady. You are all so rude and very disrespectful! Why would you just assume I am a he?! That is so sexist~~!

I think maybe my allies in the TOWN are pushing my wagon but the bad guys are just quietly jumping on. I always get lynched so early. (◡﹏◡✿)

it's ok ive got ur back im getting the meanies off u

Put a dollar in the hydra slip jar.

[Shaziro]

Hi, I thought I'd switched my vote to HC. If it isn't hammer, I'll do that now. I think Iraon is trouble waiting to happen and potentially scum, but I'm more interested in HC atm. Sorry for my absence, Pokemon Go trip down to Atlanta with buds.

[Shaziro]

I literally just said I'd switch to where I actually wanted to be if it wasn't hammer. Let's not do this shit again, alright?

VOTE: Hot Chocolate

[Shaziro]

show me 1 instance, 1 quote where HC used ate

Ehem!

Spoiler:

Elitism is not very nice (╯_╰)

Elitism, that's what happens when you're a meanie head~!

My poor little eyes are too tired to read all these pages right now. I just wanted to say hi to my fellow players!

Stop scumming up the game before I form a 22-player ARMY

AND GET YOU LYNCHED

But I thought you already shot me?

Stop confusing me!

You are supposed to be lynching scumbutts!

Unless I am right and you are a bad guy!

Wow Rachmarie is a really mean-spirited person. It's quite obvious to me that you're trying to bully me out of this game as oppose to thinking I'm scum.

You guys are mean. Why is everyone voting me?

Stop voting me!! I am aligned with the TOWN. I am trying to play in this Mafia game but you guys are really just so mean.

And STOP CALLING ME A HE. I am very obviously a lady. You are all so rude and very disrespectful! Why would you just assume I am a he?! That is so sexist~~!

I think maybe my allies in the TOWN are pushing my wagon but the bad guys are just quietly jumping on. I always get lynched so early. (◡﹏◡✿)

Boem, why did you leave me out? That was incredibly rude~! You hurt my feelings.

I think creature might be scum-aligned though!

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

Replace this.

You are being unnecessarily mean. Why are you trying to keep me from playing? Does it bring you pleasure to exclude others? You're being a complete butthead.

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

then why did you join a 42 player game as your first game of mafia ever

IT MAKES NO SENSE

unless this is some kind of alt trying to be funny

~Memeo

Why are you trying to misrepresent me? I've played mafia before! Please don't resort to name calling either

Hot Chocolate is like the worst player I've ever seen regardless of alignment. Do you seriously think we are voting you because you're GIRL? What the fuck? I didn't even know you were a girl until you said so (okay I expected girl in this slot).

SO YOU ADMIT YOU ARE A SEXIST?! IS THIS THE BOYS ONLY CLUB? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU EXPECTED A GIRL IN MY SLOT?

You have been so rude and so disrespectful to me! And to call me an ALT? What is this? Is this another term meant to degrade me? I don't understand why you hate me so much.

OH you're just scum-aligned and trying to get my lynch! I see what this is now! You almost got me!

VOTE: Boem_u_dusi

I accidentally lost the post, but thanks to the person who pointed me towards where the gender options were. It's nice to see that there are some good people here.

Now I'm really off to bed.

Those voting me are being incredibly unfair. It's obvious to me that I'm not being voted because you think I'm scum, but rather due to dislike because you guys have something against me personally. No one has given any reasoning for me being scum.

Calling me a troll was uncalled for, those who think it's fun to call others names or mock them really need to reflect on themselves as human beings. I have feelings you know, yet some feel that incessant bullying is the right way to treat others. I've reported quite a few posts already and will be asking the mod to take action against certain players because I was really excited to try playing on this site but instead find myself upset.

I'm going to bed. Thank you Blanche for that cute picture and for being so sweet, love you~! <3

[Shaziro]

Zach, any lie is scummy to me until proven otherwise. Why lie? Why deceive? Hide one's meta is one thing. You still don't lie about experience. Reading people naturally determines finding what they should know and should not know. There's newb town or scum for a reason.

If you convince me HC isn't lying, ok. I doubt that's the case though.

@accountant, you're splitting hairs. HC entire ISO is ate or I am noob.

HC's entire ISO is not ate
wtf

What?

Did you actually read it?

I posted, in that spoiler, a tasty sampler of it.

[Shaziro]

Now you're annoying me Zach.

[Shaziro]

I'm that other person.

[Shaziro]

I'm that other person.

Why didn't you talk Math out of that?

~Titus

Didn't ask me about it, but we had agreed to out the hood today. We aren't Masons. Also, Iraon, you lied. What is your real claim?

[Shaziro]

for clarification's sake:

Shaziro, what specifically is your result on ira? did you get his exact role or a VT/not VT result?

p-edit: mathblade is bleeding town all over the place, i have no clue why anyone is voting him

I saw him use a Neapolitan check. I was checking the scummiest of the VT claims to me, and look, I was right. He was lying.

VOTE: Iraonavp

Pedit-math can confirm, I specifically told the hood that I would be getting information on iraon to help solve this VT business.

[Shaziro]

Iraon lied about his role for no reason other than to "Stay alive" by his own admission. That's a scummy mindset to begin with. He wasn't asked for a roleclaim, nobody expected it, people got annoyed when he -did- claim. And then he let the town go chasing after their own damn tails trying to figure out who was lying about their VT claim when he knew the whole time it was him. How the hell does that benefit town in any way? Then, he's arguing that finding out that I'm not a VT means I'm scum. Ignoring the fact that I specifically said I would be getting information -on him- to -sort out this VT shit-, he's trying to argue that I just got lucky that he checked me. If I had that kind of premonition, I'd be playing the damn powerball, not Mafia. But he still wants to push me as scum, because he's been caught.

So far, we've got him lying for no good reason, doing things to keep himself alive rather than benefit town, contradicting himself with the "I didn't know it was Role Madness" DESPITE THAT BEING IN THE NAME OF THE GAME, AND THERE BEING ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VTS IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME, WITH SEVERAL LINKS TO "ROLE MADNESS" ON THE FUCKING WIKI, letting town sit there in a death spiral about who the fuck was lying about a VT which is -actively harmful- to town, and all he has to say other than that is "but I'm town guys, for reals".

Lynch. This. Shit.

[Shaziro]

Iraon lied about his role for no reason other than to "Stay alive" by his own admission. That's a scummy mindset to begin with. He wasn't asked for a roleclaim, nobody expected it, people got annoyed when he -did- claim. And then he let the town go chasing after their own damn tails trying to figure out who was lying about their VT claim when he knew the whole time it was him. How the hell does that benefit town in any way? Then, he's arguing that finding out that I'm not a VT means I'm scum. Ignoring the fact that I specifically said I would be getting information -on him- to -sort out this VT shit-, he's trying to argue that I just got lucky that he checked me. If I had that kind of premonition, I'd be playing the damn powerball, not Mafia. But he still wants to push me as scum, because he's been caught.

So far, we've got him lying for no good reason, doing things to keep himself alive rather than benefit town, contradicting himself with the "I didn't know it was Role Madness" DESPITE THAT BEING IN THE NAME OF THE GAME, AND THERE BEING ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VTS IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME, WITH SEVERAL LINKS TO "ROLE MADNESS" ON THE FUCKING WIKI, letting town sit there in a death spiral about who the fuck was lying about a VT which is -actively harmful- to town, and all he has to say other than that is "but I'm town guys, for reals".

Lynch. This. Shit.

Investigatives do things to survive too.

Being a flawed human being doesn't make someone scum.

ABR is notorious for lying as town.

Sometimes lying is the best play.

Just because it's not good ideal or what you'd do doesn't make it scummy.

Why aren't you voting CCC?

~Titus

Not when they outright think they're a useless role, and not when there is literally no danger to them whatsoever.

He skated by with that reasoning in the marathon I linked, the entire damn game. Acting scummy doesn't mean somebody's just "flawed but innocent".

That comparison is irrelevant.

It was by no means at all a good play here, except for scum. It threw town into a spiral, and potentially set up a mislynch on either of the other claimed VTs if they turned out to be telling the truth.

It's not something anyone who had any interest in the betterment of town would do, and I genuinely refuse to allow "Well maybe he's just a selfish dick who thinks him being alive is the key to winning" to be a reason he skates by.

I haven't read that slot much to be honest, I'll do that, but I want confirmation that Iraon will get lynched today, tomorrow, or vigged in the night. I caught scum, I'm not letting it go.

[Shaziro]

Iraon lied about his role for no reason other than to "Stay alive" by his own admission. That's a scummy mindset to begin with. He wasn't asked for a roleclaim, nobody expected it, people got annoyed when he -did- claim. And then he let the town go chasing after their own damn tails trying to figure out who was lying about their VT claim when he knew the whole time it was him. How the hell does that benefit town in any way? Then, he's arguing that finding out that I'm not a VT means I'm scum. Ignoring the fact that I specifically said I would be getting information -on him- to -sort out this VT shit-, he's trying to argue that I just got lucky that he checked me. If I had that kind of premonition, I'd be playing the damn powerball, not Mafia. But he still wants to push me as scum, because he's been caught.

So far, we've got him lying for no good reason, doing things to keep himself alive rather than benefit town, contradicting himself with the "I didn't know it was Role Madness" DESPITE THAT BEING IN THE NAME OF THE GAME, AND THERE BEING ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VTS IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME, WITH SEVERAL LINKS TO "ROLE MADNESS" ON THE FUCKING WIKI, letting town sit there in a death spiral about who the fuck was lying about a VT which is -actively harmful- to town, and all he has to say other than that is "but I'm town guys, for reals".

Lynch. This. Shit.

I lied with perfectly good reason. I have already explained this but you deliberately refuse to acknowledge it.

I couldn't go back on my claim otherwise this would happen. None of that conversation happened until after I claimed...

I softed my result on you to start with, it is clearly coincidence. You are, again, deliberately refusing to acknowledge this because you are scum-aligned.

Your reasoning was godawful. You felt your role was useless, but you wanted to stay alive anyhow. You weren't in any danger of being a nightkill, but you tried to avoid it anyhow? Your reasons were awful and scummy as fuck.

You could've A] Not lied in the first place and you wouldn't have been caught lying, B] Admitted to it when you saw that it was detrimental to town, because the worst that could happen is you get mislynched, which isn't a real loss for town in your eyes MR. "My role is useless in Role Madness" WHICH, AGAIN, IS THE TITLE OF THE DAMN GAME.

You didn't soft shit, you said "especially" after me. That literally only means that you think I am scummier than others. That said, I -know- you are a Neapolitan, my result told me so. I don't think you're lying about your role, I think you're lying about your alignment.

[Shaziro]

...My god, is Iraon just a fucking idiot?

You don't tell the damn thread who you're going to target, because you can be redirected if those are in, they can commute, you can be shot to prevent your result from coming out, what the fuck is going on in your mind that makes you think that's reasonable at all?

Also, your reason for thinking I'm scum is that I am calling you scum for lying (Which a vast amount of people are doing too) and that I'm not a VT. I never claimed to be a VT because I'm not an anti-town lying moron. I came in and outright said I used a PR to determine that you aren't a VT, so I -am- a PR. In a game that is loaded to the brim with PRs. Me not being a VT doesn't mean I'm scum, by any stretch of anyone's imagination. I can't believe I'm even -considering- this shit, but I think you just have no damn clue but think you're God's gift to Mafia. I'm fairly new to the game, and pretty bad, but I admit it, I ask for advice on things and ask questions when I don't understand something. I have literally never heard somebody sincerely say "I'm usually right, so if somebody disagrees I have to make them agree with me" and it's absolutely the most narcissistic shitty thing I've heard since some guy told me that cheating didn't matter, his girlfriend was lucky to be with him. Take that in for a minute.

For my sanity and the sanity of literally everyone you will ever play this game with, read -THIS-: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ts_as_Town

But replace any time it says "Fake a cop guilty" with "Lying in general"

Cookie Bakers, I'm going to read some of CCC's stuff, Va-11 I'll look at Backde. I'm not gonna post again tonight if I can avoid it, I've genuinely got a headache from this bullshit.

VOTE: Unvote

Beat Violently With A Slab Of Oak: Iraonavp

[Shaziro]

Setup

Faction Ratio is

not known

.

Something I saw as I was looking at Wake88's ISO to see who died again. Please stop assuming it is 32/5/5. That is exactly what a 3rd party, if they exist, would want.

[Shaziro]

I see no reason to claim that or even to check me, Shaziro is scum-aligned...

I agree.

Vote MathBlade with me first, though. We can lynch Shaziro tomorrow.

...Are you fuckin' serious? I went and looked at the claimed VTs to see if any of them were lying and, surprise surprise, the one I thought was the grossest -was- lying. How the fuck does that make me scum? Jesus Christ what is wrong with you people?

Also, why the hell did my voting Unvote put me on Kling, what the fuck?

VOTE: Not Voting

[Shaziro]

Answer my question iroanavp:

Why do you think Shaziro is scum aligned?

I have a great reason. Want to hear it?

I want to hear it, because I'm not scum, and anyone who has actually read the damn thread should know that.

[Shaziro]

Hey CCC do you deny or admit murdering someone last night?

VOTE: CCC
Answer this, kthx

[Shaziro]

Cookie Bakers that tunnel is gross

Like you're not considering the rest of the game and you're drowning out discussion and I wouldn't expect that coming from you guys as town

-Dunn

Titus, for one, would definitely tunnel this hard and ignore the rest of the game as town. See the large normal in which I was an SK and she tunneled me hard because she assumed I was claiming something I wasn't. She was right for the wrong reasons, but she still tunneled hard as hell.

[Shaziro]

I see no reason to claim that or even to check me, Shaziro is scum-aligned...

I agree.

Vote MathBlade with me first, though. We can lynch Shaziro tomorrow.

...Are you fuckin' serious? I went and looked at the claimed VTs to see if any of them were lying and, surprise surprise, the one I thought was the grossest -was- lying. How the fuck does that make me scum? Jesus Christ what is wrong with you people?

Also, why the hell did my voting Unvote put me on Kling, what the fuck?

VOTE: Not VotingVOTE:

See, it's like this:

Iron is some very low-hanging fruit.

Yeah, sure, we needs to clear out the goofballs and lurkers and liars, but those lynches have to take a backseat to actual Scum.

Scum like you and Math.

Math's epic tunnel on Iron is kinda uncharacteristic. They don't get this wound up over anti-Town player.

So what would make this game different?

If they truly believed Iron to be Scum - from the opposing team, or, more likely, from their own team. I've seen it happen before, the Scumteam bus a scummy-looking one of their own for Towncred.

There are 10 Scums. There are 4 Neighborhoods (so far.) Your neighborhood had 3 players in it, one died and flipped Town. It's even odds that neither, one or both of you and Math are Scum.

You are in a Neighborhood with me. Again, maybe there are no Scum at all in it. But if there is/are Scum, it's among you and 3 others.

You told us that Math had an offer, she wanted to work together with us in the 'Hood you and I are in.

Math knows better than this.

If there's Scum in there she wouldn't want to be anywhere near it. The two of you should prefer to work with each other - assuming that you both fully trust each other as Town with no confirmation at all.

Only Scum would be happy to move into a new 'Hood full of unconfirmed.

Scumdar goes off the charts.

Ok, so the fact that I caught a liar while checking VT claims means nothing...because you think Math is scum for asking to be able to talk to my other hood, and for pushing on Iraon...who is absolutely scummy as fuck. You're also assuming Iraon -isn't- scum, and is just a lying town, and that I would somehow know that. You're assuming I'm scum to "prove" I'm scum, and you're absolutely wrong as fuck. Jesus Christ, I'm going to need aspirin.

[Shaziro]

Anyone not voting for CCC is scum

This from the player who lied about his role.

This is a stupid attempt to discredit, tbh.

[Shaziro]

I am not a Neapolitan, but Math did start giving me hell in our hood for accidentally using the wrong role name for my role. So I doubt I'm getting any free towncred from them.

[Shaziro]

Dude you suck at Mafia you don't lead this town lol

Hey I defended you DGB wtd

Is this the part where I say "Scumposting"?

[Shaziro]

Again, this is the part where I say "Scumposting" right?

[Shaziro]

I mean, it is very possible to set up a fake claim well in advance. Titus was there for me in our last Large Normal, adventure mafia. I was -way- ahead with my fake claim. That said, this one isn't fake imo.

[Shaziro]

Claiming me as target is pretty convenient. Particularly given ccc took some time to 'read'.

But also if DGB wanted to try to make scum use a shot on her, claiming VT is hardly the way to do that.

For lies to avoid lynch all liars, I think they demonstrably need to benefit town and not scum.

This is why DGB needs more looking into, but CCC needs rope. If they flip town, then Titus is scum, and that gives us tasty associatives

[Shaziro]

[Shaziro]

DGB, Math, Klingon

Yeah, I know Kling claimed mason. It is possible (though incredibly remote) that the three claimed Masons are scum together, which would help explain none of them dying. 3 protectives happening to all hit separate Mason's, or the mason/Masons that scum hit seems unlikely to me.

[Shaziro]

Hitting a mason might actually be bad for scum come to think of it. It would directly confirm the other masons, where as right now there is some small degree of WIFOM

[Shaziro]

I'm blue

da ba dee da ba die

Totally out of nowhere, no relevance to the situation. Actual relevance now that we know there is a blue team.

VOTE: Va-11 Hall-A

[Shaziro]

Their read was grudgingly and slowly shifting, and they were putting it aside to scumhunt in the hood. Math is town.


P-edit: to avoid crosskilling

[Shaziro]

Ah, it was iraon that asked that. Can't wait to hear more of him deciding he knows what everyone thinks. I'm gonna need more aspirin.

[Shaziro]

Per the Normal Rules, 'Neighbor' is a modifier, making any slot not Vanilla.

The Neighbors should out themselves.

Serra is not either of my neighbors. Mine I would like to keep secret until specifically relevant as they can share my results post death.

This is a smart thing.

[Shaziro]

Per the Normal Rules, 'Neighbor' is a modifier, making any slot not Vanilla.

The Neighbors should out themselves.

Serra is not either of my neighbors. Mine I would like to keep secret until specifically relevant as they can share my results post death.

This is a smart thing.

[Shaziro]

It looks to me more like refusing to agree with your read because of their read on you, and then having to admit being potentially wrong in their tunnel. LotHS comes to mind.

[Shaziro]

You asked a question in 2642.

[Shaziro]

You asked a question in 2642.

Okay, I got confused...

Why are you still voting VA-11 Hall-A when they explained that they cannot be claiming vlue mafia and you just ignored context?

Because at the moment I don't believe 'em? I'm waiting for others to weigh in, and for me to have gotten some decent sleep. Why are you concerned about one vote on somebody else?

[Shaziro]

K just finished my skim read people.

My thoughts of this thread can be summarized in a few simple sentences.

Pants are awesome for protecting roles.
Cookie Bakers is being derpy but arrogant. This is usually Titus town when this happens.
Hot Chocolate wagon at this point worth analyzing when we know more. The game turning towards lynching a low poster IMHO is interesting.

VOTE: boem_u_dusi

For voting via steak rarity to display confidence but doesn't expand on why and then says they can be uncooked later. I think when boem voted ironavp earlier they were trying to sheep but then realized the wagon wasn't going anywhere so started dropping things from "rare" to innocent child, but there is no explanation of such.

Sibling*

I am trying to figure out why not a single of the claimed masons got shot. Like I mentioned in the PT w/ Shaziro I had scum reads on Cookie butters and Parama and DGB all as scum reads and this happens. Like what? Assuming there are at least two scum teams in a 42 player game how did they communicate? I can understand WiFoM a bit but that seems a bit much with 4 NKs.

FYI motion detector sees if some activity happened on a slot. It doesn't say what.

And good god. It is not a preference it is my gender.

*glares hard*

Look at these two posts in context. Unless something happened in the hood, this is a pretty rapid transition.

Stuff was happening in the hood at that time, but I don't know if it was relevant or not. I'll check in the AM.

[Shaziro]

Shaziro your argument is that we softed blue mafia so the other mafia team doesn't kill us?

You really think we'd soft mafia...?

I mean, the other thought process was that you could be a mafia traitor with the blue team, trying to get them not to kill you. Pick your poison really. And yes, you very much could have been softing it and ready to use the defense "It was nothing but a joke". That's kinda the point of crumbs, making them blend in.

[Shaziro]

If scum avoid crosskilling, they can cripple town, then duke it out later once it's down to one on one. You're also missing the "Traitor making themselves known to their team" argument.

[Shaziro]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

The mafia know a traitor exists if this is a normal game, and are likely trying to find them. Saying "I'm blue" and then playing it off as a joke or a lolsorandom song reference is a damn good way for them to get themselves found.

[Shaziro]

It was Math, Fire Assassin, and me. Fire is like, very very dead. I've said this before, I think?

[Shaziro]

Never played on epicmafia. Both of you do realize that the argument "I was just quoting a song" or "I was making a joke about epicmafia despite it not being mentioned, because that's where this guy plays" is exactly what the goal would be if that's a traitor making himself known to his team, right?

[Shaziro]

Yes, Titus, I know the damn song, that isn't my argument at all. That's like saying that in Adventure Mafia I claimed Vigilante, which -is- a role in Mafia, therefore it must be true. Like, that's the basis of a crumb to let your team know that you're the traitor, making the ones who know to look for it see it, but have plausible deniability.

[Shaziro]

I'm not convinced about Shaziro being scum. I think Shaziro and MathBlade are both Town. I think over-analyzing stuff like that is Townish. But I still think it is a bad reason to suspect someone.

Maybe I can understand if you think it's null-aligned, but how could it possibly be town-aligned to make nonsensical arguments?

Shaziro's nonsense is nonsense I have seen before. Many play based on feels and not logic.

It isn't nonsense, you're arguing that he couldn't be pretending to make a "lolsorandom" song reference in order to tell his team he's the traitor....because the song exists. For Christ's sake, Titus, how does the concept of a traitor crumbing to his team -while hiding it from town- elude you?

[Shaziro]

Never played on epicmafia. Both of you do realize that the argument "I was just quoting a song" or "I was making a joke about epicmafia despite it not being mentioned, because that's where this guy plays" is exactly what the goal would be if that's a traitor making himself known to his team, right?

Yeah, but you could say that about any context provided. It's highly unlikely though.

I'm sorry, you're trying to tell me that Va-11 Hall-A deciding, completely out of thin air, to quote an old song for no reason whatsoever...is more likely that it actually being significant to the game?

[Shaziro]

I've played with Dunn, no it isn't. Dunn, Titus is arguing that it was a song reference, not an Epicmafia reference. I'm pointing out that it's a shitty argument. I know literally nothing about epicmafia, but the only context for that being a joke about epicmafia comes in -after- you said it, with somebody else taking it as a joke. Which you did nothing to confirm or deny, and you instead just put up more lyrics to the song.

[Shaziro]

@shaz, can you summarize your hoods n1 chat?

In the morning sure. It's 1:30 AM, I haven't slept, and I've got stuff to do tomorrow. I'm literally just laying here responding to stuff while I wait for the void to consume me.

[Shaziro]

Hi I'm back, I haven't seen anything in my catch-up skim that made me not want to vote VA-11, Math is still super towny to me, I'm still fine with Cookie Bakers though and I think the scumread there is largely tunnel vision on a bad read. Like, the argument that Titus was assuming their gunsmith check was a confirmed guilty has already been explained, and it was correct. Even if they aren't a gunsmith and had some other way of knowing, that's not something you should push to have outed. Of course they could be red scum, but their play so far hasn't convinced me of that. But yeah, VA-11 still has my vote.

[Shaziro]

Attention: Shaziro is assuming that there are "red scum" in an effort to soft to the blue scum team, if a red scum flips I advise everyone to take a look at this

Red is the default scum color, and other people have said red scum before. If you're going to try and discredit me, try a bit harder.

[Shaziro]

so join the math wagon

seriously math is scumz they are pinging my scumdar something fierce

So could you explain like I am 5 why in the he double hockey stick you talked about being blue Vall?

I believe that was dunn who said that IIRC?

Look at my wall for the blue stuff Rach -- It is in my scum claims and communication section more than one person has mentioned blue.

There are two problems with the Scum code theory - 1) they'd have a problem working this code out in the game thread, 2) codes created outside of the game are not allowed on MS.

Crumbs aren't code, and outright saying "I'm blue" isn't either.

[Shaziro]

I am in then skelda boring hood

[Shaziro]

Like

What legit

Is the slip

The slip is supposed to be Memeo (one of the heads of the hydra) forgetting where they did their action. I honestly think it's a stupid wagon.

[Shaziro]

It's a 42 person role madness game. That's not that far fetched is it?

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Townblock

[Shaziro]

I am a follower. I get follower, watcher, and fracker confused because they are very similar roles and names. Math told me the first time I said the wrong one that they suspected me for it, I explained the confusion, and they backed up. I made the mistake again and they've decided I'm scum I guess? That's a dumb accusation imo.

[Shaziro]

More specifically I am a follower/neighbor

[Shaziro]

Basically, I choose a person and learn what kind of action they do. I got that iraon performed a "Neapolitan Action". That's all I'm willing to talk about at the moment wrt my role.

[Shaziro]

Because, egg, watcher motion detector follower and tracker all do very similar things, and their names mean very similar things, so given that I have been playing here for a few months I still don't have which is which nailed down. Given that a confirmed mason -also- didn't know, you should pick a different straw to grasp at.

[Shaziro]

I choose a target and I learn what action they take. It isn't random. I used it, in Iraon's case, to check if he was being honest about his Cy claim. He wasn't. We still haven't given the lying bastard rope either, to my eternal annoyance.

[Shaziro]

but instead of getting so and so visited player such and such

Or

Player was visited by so and so


they get some random dude or dudette did X action?

I think follower targets X and gets a result like "X killed someone last night", "X investigated someone last night" or similar.

Wake appears to be going with not just "an investigative action" but instead the specific role of action. At least he did for the Neapolitan result.

[Shaziro]

Rach, after I called him out on his lie he admitted to being a Neapolitan, somebody else claimed a one shot Neapolitan later but I can't recall who. I said, in my hood with math, that iraon was a Neapolitan and was lying. Then I said he was lying in thread but didn't say his role to see how he would respond. Math can confirm that I did, in fact, know it was a Neapolitan action.

[Shaziro]

Christ's sake, if I can't keep them straight without referring to the wiki when I don't have the pm, why would I not have to refer to the pm when I do have it?

[Shaziro]

My initial suspicion on townblock was that McMenno just wasn't paying much attention to the game and didn't keep track of what the others had done well. But when he then goes and scumreads iraon and then expects him to use his role as if he were town...that's just faking reads.

[Shaziro]

Because I want to go and refer back to my pm any time I'm going to say my role instead of just...y'know...folks accepting that I might say the name wrong here and there? The case on math is dumb, math is town as hell to me especially in our hood. Medium I could see lynching. I'm content to stay on Townblock at the moment though.

[Shaziro]

Is it bastard for me to have gotten the result I did?

Secondly this is exactly the reason I was reticent to tell you I was odd night. I didn't want that getting said in thread, because it would keep the scum guessing. There is a reason I wasn't answering boem. Fucks sake math!

[Shaziro]

@mod can you please either confirm or deny if you are running follower in exactly the way the wiki describes?

[Shaziro]

Titus, how do I go about doing that without breaking rules regarding quoting stuff like PMs, hoods, etc?

What I recieved, paraphrasing, was "did a Neapolitan action"

[Shaziro]

@mod can you please either confirm or deny if you are running follower in exactly the way the wiki describes?

Per the Wiki, the Follower learns what action a player performed, but not who that player targeted.

Learns -what- action, not what -type- of action. There you go.

Glad Math chose to out that, yes, I am odd night. Totally not information I was keeping scum from knowing. Fucking incredible.

[Shaziro]

Look, if it takes you lynching me to decide if this thing is bastard then fine, go for it.

VOTE: Shaziro

I'm effectively dead tonight by scum anyhow.

[Shaziro]

Let me add a thing. When I flip town, lynch VA-11 Hall-A for me. You'll be better off for it. TIA.

[Shaziro]

Like this is the same shit that happened when I was getting strung up in that offsite game I played with him. I was town, he was scum then too.

[Shaziro]

Either this game is bastard, or it isn't. If it takes me flipping to figure that out, I'm down for it. I'll gladly hammer Townblock if they hit L-1, but I'm getting very done with this shit and I'm dead tonight if I don't get lynched today.

[Shaziro]

@Shaziro - if you're town, your vote is comically bad - vote Lapsa, to your awareness he is assuredly more likely town than you.

What's the case on Lapsa?

[Shaziro]

Because they lied about their role for no reason. There was no real wagon on them, but they threw out a lie to try and be conftown, and then tried to get -me- lynched for calling them out on their bullshit. You'll notice I've decided they're just a Village Idiot, and my vote isn't on them anymore.

[Shaziro]

Well, let's see. I caught lying scum that might just be lying dumb, I was doin' pretty well at trying to figure shit out with Math in the 'hood until she decided to go ahead and out the limitation on my role which I'd been making a point of -not- outing in order to keep scum out of the loop on it and hopefully have them assume I was 1 shot that and some kind of JoAT, and because I made the mistake of saying "watcher" instead of "follower" no less. Throw in that VA-11 was pretty much definitely crumbing their scum team and are now getting away with hiding it by saying "lol why would we do that? What? Nah that reason doesn't make sense. No reason it doesn't, just doesn't. Stop talking about us." and people are buying it. So, at this point I'm more than happy to flip town today instead of getting NKed tonight, yeh.

[Shaziro]

Oh no, Townblock is also probably scum, that's why I had my vote there. I think they're also scum, and they're more likely to get lynched than VA-11. That said, VA-11 pushing that means literally nothing to me. There are two scum teams, bussing is a thing, and there is an SK running around according to what I believe is the common assumption. Honestly I think we have two vigs that just aren't good shots, one probably x-shot and conserving ammo.

[Shaziro]

Were there not three last night?

[Shaziro]

Ah. nope got myself confused. My bad there.

[Shaziro]

The problem is, the slip makes their reads seem faked. If they'd come out and said "I wasn't paying attention to that slot" I'd be fine with it being townish, but they didn't. I really do think they are scum. That said, I'll look at the Lapsa stuff again, see if I think my vote is better there. Gimme a little while tho, tonight is game night.

[Shaziro]

Mod specifically said it wasn't reviewed for normalcy.

[Shaziro]

VT in role madness is a bit millerish in the sense that claiming it later in game will look super suspicious, so I thought it best to get it out of the way.

This was well after game had begun

[Shaziro]

If someone could be a doll and give a full list of claims including neighborhoods, I'd be willing to give you something such as 3 days worth of lynch immunity.

ISO Mathblade, they have

[Shaziro]

Math. Why would I be so adamant about iraon being lynched in part due to lying if I thought there was even a remote chance I would want to lie? That would be setting myself up for disaster.

[Shaziro]

Iraon presumes to know what everyone else is thinking, then when he gets proven wrong he refuses to acknowledge it. That's NAI for him tbh.

[Shaziro]

I should point out, Boem was also rolefishing to try and figure out the limitation on my ability, if any.

[Shaziro]

Can someone please catch me up on important things that are going on in this game right now, there is too much happening and the day went by so fast I couldn't even post last day.

Also I have a neighborhood with accountant, I am a friendly neighbor.

He said "friendly neighbor". Not Neighborizer. Friendly Neighbor isn't the same thing, and isn't listed as an alias for Neighborizer.

[Shaziro]

...That's actually a role? I thought he was just saying he was a town neighbor.


Oh, yeah, that's actually super important to know who he targeted...

[Shaziro]

VOTE: hebichan

I will gladly lynch a liar.

[Shaziro]

...also why didn't accountant say they weren't in the hood with them?

[Shaziro]

...CB, you're making answers for them instead of letting them answer. I want to see this flip even more so now.

[Shaziro]

VOTE: TownBlock

Now that that's cleared up. No the mod didn't say anything that confirmed me as town, yes he did give credence to the fact that I'm not bullshiting. That's lovely can we please lynch actual scum now and let me get night killed by either a big who can't read me or the scum teams who now know exactly how useful I am? Thanks in advance.

[Shaziro]

I haven't had a chance to look at Lapsa yet, college life yo. I am at this point more confident in TB scum.

[Shaziro]

I have quite a lot of confidence in one and know nothing about the other. 95% is larger than 0%, or even 50% if you want that to be my "null".

[Shaziro]

Ok but if TownBlock flips scum, wouldn't that mean Cookie Bakers was desperately trying to protect them, and is scum? Vigging me is dumb as hell, by the way, and VA-11 suggesting it means I can't use my ability tonight, because he knows I'm odd night. Kill that too.

[Shaziro]

....Who the hell was it that was trying to shift everyone to Lapsa instead?

[Shaziro]

I know VA-11 just tried to get me vigged on the night I could make use of my ability again, which is scummy AF and when I -do- die and flip town, they should be next. Along with your scummiest pick of the "LYNCH LAPSA INSTEAD" dorks.

[Shaziro]

Ah, I see where I got confused. I wanted to see Hebi flip because CB was answering for them, but now that we know they didn't scum slip, that's not a thing. Got my wagons mixed up.

[Shaziro]

Look, if it takes you lynching me to decide if this thing is bastard then fine, go for it.

VOTE: Shaziro

I'm effectively dead tonight by scum anyhow.

>reaction to "blue scum" voting him

Don't give in to the l-15 ate that doesn't even line up with what he's saying

I know, that is obviously fake... Shaziro would never vote himself because he said it was playing against wincon in the other game I played...

Promising to get yourself lynched if the person flips town is playing against wincon. Self voting is not necessarily playing against wincon, and in some cases can be good for town. Try harder though, I can see the smoke pourin' from your ears, but you'll get a thought out soon!

[Shaziro]

Hi there Vedith.

So Seraphim voted math shortly after she gave her big table. doesn't that suggest they were right somewhere on it?

[Shaziro]

he has been replaced meet vedith his replacement

I see that... but Aeronaut never posted

Maybe he posted in a hood or a scum chat or something?

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Lapsa
I would be glad to go for VA-11 as well, but I'm largely gonna sheep CB.

[Shaziro]

Math, it is possible but thanks for reminding scum what they have to claim to get away

...If a player is town and you claim that you have a guilty on them then they flip town it is "gasp" not a guilty.

The only way Shaziro is town is if a moderator fucked up and gave him "Neopolitan action" instead of what the wiki says to do. That is a confirmed guilty. There is no claim Shaziro can give that makes logical sense.

I checked somebody last night and got "tracker action", soooooo. The mod is running the role differently than you think. You can report that to a listmod if you want, I guess?

P-edit: Wait...did Math say that they have a guilty on me? Despite earlier saying that CB's "guilty" on somebody (who was actually scum btw) wasn't a -real- guilty and she needed to stop calling it that? LOL nope, I know where I'm voting!

VOTE: MathBlade

You outed my limitation on my role, are trying to get me mislynched, and now you're being a hypocrite. Three strikes, you're out.

[Shaziro]

@Shaz,

Did you check a lurker? I kinda want to know if we have the possibility of having checked the same person.

Nope.

[Shaziro]

Math lol even if you flip town it doesn't mean that everyone you point the finger at or everyone who tries to lynch you is scum. I'm afraid everything's not that easy.

QFT


Scum or Town VA-11, this is 100% valid

[Shaziro]

Yes they are.

Hebichan is town to me because they kept their claim the same and the moderator fixed their error.
In contrast if Shaziro was actually a mod error Wake wouldn't have said an NAI statement when asked. Otherwise he would be conf towning someone but he would correct it on future nights. Ergo Shaziro is scum.

There are two possible scenarios, actually.

A: You are scum who wants to latch on to a bad reason to try and lynch somebody because either you think it makes you look towny and you hope people will just handwave it, or you for some reason really want me lynched.

B: You are town who can't accept that maybe, just maybe, your interpretation of "what type of action was performed, but not the subject of said action" is different from the mod's, or just wrong outright. Want to know how I'm different from a rolecop? I can't tell if the person is a JoAT, has an Inventor Item that they used to perform the action, how many shots they have, if they're odd night or even night, or if they're an unlimited shot of that role. I just know that in that night, they performed that action.

You're either scum, or on a tunnel that has caused you to screw up something awful and is leading you to play massively anti-town.

[Shaziro]

You literally gave Titus shit for claiming a guilty on somebody, and are now doing it yourself based on the assumption that the way you see follower being run is the only way it can be run. Are you fucking serious?

P-edit: For fuck's sake, just because you interpret what the wiki says as meaning one thing does -not- mean that is the only way it works!

[Shaziro]

I literally just explained why I'm different than a rolecop. CB, if Hebi flips scum does that confirm math scum in your eyes? If that's a reasonable connection, I'd be fine with going Hebi.

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Hebichan

It isn't a confirmed guilty, for fuck's sake. You're -wrong-.

[Shaziro]

The mod didn't fuck up, you're just wrong. You're going to have to accept that eventually.

[Shaziro]

you know for someone named MathBlade you're taking a pretty OBTUSE angle HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

CB is not scum and CCC most likely is, given the facts


- Zach

Your obtuse is my acute depending on location. To me the obtuse thing is assuming someone who has a gun in 42 player game means guilty. A tracker or a watcher has much more credence over a guilty. Shaziro's or Varsoon's guilties are actual guilties. Not this.

shaz is confirmed guilty. Hebichan is likely scum but I want to see how they answer.

Be. Back in a bit. Gotta get ready for long day.

[Shaziro]

Sure, I'll go for a claim instead.

VOTE: Lapsa

Can the next one be Hebi or Math though? Pleaaaaase?

[Shaziro]

The vote is to push a claim, VA-11.

[Shaziro]

I'm blue

lol
VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

What do you think of the fact that we were visited by blue mafia roleblocker night 1?

-Dunn

...I don't know how I missed that fact, tbh. WELP! Moving right along then.

P-edit: I have claimed as an odd-night follower/neighbor.

[Shaziro]

Something he's right about: There's no way a normal follower would find out someone's a neapolitan.

I found out that Iraon took a neapolitan action, they could still be a JoAT or have an inventor item. I found out that my target last night took a tracker action. There is a major difference between what I've gotten and a rolecop.

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Map Wolf

[Shaziro]

Skelda's posts in our neighborhood amounted to absolutely nothing. "Hi" "HC wagon was fair but the folks who quietly slipped on might be scum" "Wow, this game is going fast" "Nah, VA-11 probably wasn't hinting at blue scum". That's it. Just sayin'.

[Shaziro]

Yeah. What are you on about, Dunn?

[Shaziro]

VOTE: mapwolf

yeah, this seems good.

You going to answer any of the questions asked of you?

[Shaziro]

You could Gunsmith me to get Math to chill the fuck out, if you think that's important.

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Thor665

Give me options on who to follow tonight. I considered DGB, but if we're blocking then lynching that isn't a concern.

[Shaziro]

I've said repeatedly, I'm Odd Night. I followed Iraon and learned that he used a Neapolitan Action, then on Night 3 I followed VA-11 and learned that he used a tracker action. My hood can confirm that I said he used a tracker action before his flip.

P-edit: True, let Klingon say their bit before we end the day. It's important.

[Shaziro]

Wait wait wait. Who followed Egg day 2?

P-edit: For fuck's sake drop the stupid religion talk altogether, it has nothing to do with this game and you are actively detrimenting the game by arguing over it instead of the game.

[Shaziro]

What did Skybird say their result was on Egg? That would confirm that the way I am getting my results is standard, assuming they were a follower and you're not using "followed" for some other investigative, for this game.

[Shaziro]

Math doesn't appear to be reading anymore, just looking at votes.

[Shaziro]

What did Skybird say their result was on Egg? That would confirm that the way I am getting my results is standard, assuming they were a follower and you're not using "followed" for some other investigative, for this game.

she didn't but she did flip JOAT with that as one of her abilities

She said what I posted about knowing he roleblocked on N2 because she followed him on N2 she did not say on whom he used it, but knowing Egg he probably told the truth on whom he used it which I believe was on Vall

So she said she knew he roleblocked. That means she saw him take a "Roleblocker" action. Right?

[Shaziro]

But my point is, that should verify that yes, I -am- a follower and I -am- getting the results the way I've said I'm getting them. So Math should chill the fuck out about it. Correct?

[Shaziro]

There's the Klingon thing! Yay information!

[Shaziro]

So what are we going to do about DrippingGoofball?

Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I had one shot of Rolecop, which I used on DGB last night.
I got 'Vanilla'.
So, my results so far have been:
NIGHT 1 (Neopolitan): Not Vanilla on DGB.
NIGHT 2 (Gunsmith): No Result -- The mod says this means something different than 'Has a Gun' or 'Does not have a gun'.
NIGHT 3: I Commuted.
NIGHT 4 (Rolecop): Vanilla.

So, I gotta imagine that DGB is scum, right? Either that or there is some fuckery.

Why would you use that? I already had that result.

Probably did't trust you? Idk.

[Shaziro]

CB I'm gonna stick to sheepin' you. When we get the flip today, I can sit back and do the math that night to figure out what the flip means, but right now I can't do much.

[Shaziro]

CB I'm gonna stick to sheepin' you. When we get the flip today, I can sit back and do the math that night to figure out what the flip means, but right now I can't do much.

You can do plenty. I want you to follow Math please. They are driving me insane with their comments. It's one thing to disagree but they have been on the moon since Day 2. I would like someone I trust to have information on them.

I am still debating DGB v Thor and wanting Drixx's analysis on Thor's claim. Your input is also appreciated.

I would like you to tell me what you need to be at your best.

Thaaat's what I was crumbing. "do the math that night". I was relying on those same crumbspotting senses that made you think I was crumbing jailkeeper or whatevs back in Adventure Mafia. But yeah, I'll follow Math. I've been figuring they might be scum since they went and told the entire thread my odd-night bit.

[Shaziro]

I told Math in hood I was going to check CB, and I did. I of course got that they used a Gunsmith action, but that doesn't really matter since they flipped.

[Shaziro]

...I changed my mind?

[Shaziro]

Because Math wasn't going to stop screaming that we needed to do the opposite of whatever CB said unless I could prove that CB -was- a Gunsmith?

[Shaziro]

Klingon can also confirm that I mentioned in our hood that I'd told Math I would target CB, and asked them if I should target Math instead. I didn't get much input on it, and nearly missed my window to submit my action. Soooo. I went with the one that I felt would be best for A: Figuring out if Math was somehow right and CB was just scum who had bussed once to be effective and B: Getting Math to chill.

[Shaziro]

good

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VOTE: Thor665

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Figuring out who visited Thor, should Thor have died, would've been great info. If somebody had shown up and Thor died, and somebody else claimed to have vigged thor, we'd have caught scum.

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No, the not much input was from my other hood Math. WRT following you instead of CB.

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If we haven't hammered yet I'll give intent to hammer, because I'm sure we are there. Also, rach, ask Kling what I said about Math in the hood.

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"Can the last mafia member, if a PR, kill AND use their role, or must they pick one?" No, the last Mafia member must pick one. He or she cannot use a power role and simultaneously perform a Night Kill."

So no, mafia cannot both kill and PR.

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Soooo...shouldn't we still lynch one of them, in order to verify? I don't see any other way we could determine if it was ninja scum or not?

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...Oooor two people have targeted the same person once in a while? How uncommon is that? I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned.

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Ok, nobody was watching to see who visited CB though. they were looking to see who visited Drixx.

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You are also ignoring the fact that I specifically told you I would be following CB, and have explained that the reason for that was so I could confirm or deny their role so you would stop murdertunneling them. They flipped town. If I were scum, I would want you to keep on disrupting the game and tunneling on them, rather than eliminating them and making -me- your only dumb murdertunnel.

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They tried to claim that "The more they derped, the longer I stayed alive" or something.

VOTE: MathBlade

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My guess, actually, is that I wasn't killed last night because Math wanted Skelda dead, and knew that I wouldn't be able to Follow until tomorrow night. I doubt I'll live through tomorrow night to give y'all my result. I think Math is trying to get ignored by derping to fuck and declaring that they want to be lynched, so now that I've actually put a vote there, they're trying to dissuade me by saying "Oh but I want to be lynched so don't do that".

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Boem, once again, I am odd night. I've said this repeatedly.

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So...how am I confirmed scum to you, Iraon? I'm not just gonna let that slide by. I want you to explain that "confirmed".

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Hebichan getting replaced greatly increases likelihood for that slot being scum.

How?

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So...how am I confirmed scum to you, Iraon? I'm not just gonna let that slide by. I want you to explain that "confirmed".

Because you are actually rolecop who misunderstood follower, the moderator's response confirms this.

I don't want to argue like I know you want to spam and fill pages of anti-town-aligned drivel...

Uh...no? Another follower has said they had the exact same kind of result. I learn the specific kind of action performed, rather than a general one like folks expected. You're also trying to argue that I'm confirmed scum because you believe I lied about my role, but you actually -did- lie about your role. Why doesn't that mean you're scum?

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I mean, the part you told me I assumed was only part of the role, but I did tell Kling that part. ISO kling, they confirmed that they did tell Rach, and then ISO Rach, Rach confirmed that Kling told them.

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I think Math, if their claim is legitimate, hasn't full claimed and is probably just bullshitting.

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I believe they claimed that that -is- the only part, Rach. That's one of the reasons I think it's bullshit.

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What did Skybird say their result was on Egg? That would confirm that the way I am getting my results is standard, assuming they were a follower and you're not using "followed" for some other investigative, for this game.

she didn't but she did flip JOAT with that as one of her abilities

She said what I posted about knowing he roleblocked on N2 because she followed him on N2 she did not say on whom he used it, but knowing Egg he probably told the truth on whom he used it which I believe was on Vall

So she said she knew he roleblocked. That means she saw him take a "Roleblocker" action. Right?

yes

otherwise all she could have said was she saw him visiting someone

she did not say to whom he was rbing though.

But my point is, that should verify that yes, I -am- a follower and I -am- getting the results the way I've said I'm getting them. So Math should chill the fuck out about it. Correct?

This series of quotes is me pointing out that yes, my role works exactly as I said it does because a flipped Town Follower got the same kind of results I did. So the argument that I'm actually some different role and I'm lying is dumb as hell and should cease. Then again, this does require you to admit that you're wrong, so I'm sure I'll get a lovely response as to why this can't be the case, containing a "no, I'm town" for good measure, because for some reason you seem to think that does -anything-.

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We can also point out that, by that logic, I -must- be a follower as I said, and not somebody just lying about being a follower, because I would have no way of knowing that followers get results the way they do unless I was one. While that doesn't prove that I'm town, I figure the rest of my play does that just fine. As for not pushing you Iraon, I think you're a village idiot. I don't push on people who I don't have a scumread on. I am also largely trying to avoid dealing with you, to be honest.

P-edit: Thor, you're missing the fact that if he feels like 3 people on that wagon are obviously scum, then his argument should be that he isn't scum, these three are, rather than that "there's loads of scum on that wagon, but these other two are less bad because there aren't scum on them. Given that I believe he's said he believes the teams are 32/5/5, that is. Should I link the example of his logic being equally bad, and him insisting it's flawless?

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Friendly reminder, Iraon did these

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8041877
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8050288

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VOTE: Creature

I'm having flashbacks to my newbie game with him. Specifically that I caught him as scum and let it go, ignoring that I found a post he made in which he said "I post way more as town". Thanks for making that hit me, Lapsa.

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I will add that no non-consecutive-night modifier exists in this game, seems like trying to fakeclaim something complex or obscure.

What? No Even- or Odd- Night modifiers?

Who told you this?

I believe he's basing it off the flips we've had, and his assumption that he's always right. I believe the first of the two links I gave fits this, the "I know my case is bad, but I will make things up and lie to get others to follow it". It's the same logic folks use for faking a guilty when they're super duper sure they've caught scum.

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Again, please refer to the post of mine he quoted. He's a village idiot, but he's town.

P-edit: Calling out crumbs is dumb, no matter how obvious they are, and Math prefers to be called "They" not he or she.

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Iraon you aren't convincing anyone of anything. Please don't ever think otherwise.

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Odd night and even night are by no means obscure. How the hell does me thinking Creature acting the same way he did in another game he was scum with me in suggests he might be scum here make me scum? Are you literally just vomiting out words and hoping you look busy?

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I -did- claim odd-night, re-read literally every time I've claimed.

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I'm literally just waiting for the "OH WELL I DOUBT SHAZIRO KNEW ODD NIGHT AND NON-CONSECUTIVE MEANT THE SAME THING" for this to be full circle. Fucking hell.

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VOTE: Gollum

I'm okay with this. I'd also be okay with Iraon, but largely because I think he's destructive to gamestate at this rate. Should probably be a vigshot.

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Math is town.