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I don't line the time you're taking with me. You're just jealousIn post 47, Dunnstral wrote:shaddowez is scummyV/LA on Weekends-
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Was that actually directed at anyone in particular?In post 241, SirCakez wrote:Why tho?V/LA on Weekends-
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Why do you say that?In post 260, Frizzy Cola wrote:I don't care anyone in tevinter and orlais is suspiciousV/LA on Weekends-
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Perhaps I'll just ask redundant questions all game. (My browser likes to not show me p-edits fairly often)In post 268, Frizzy Cola wrote:In post 266, shaddowez wrote:
Why do you say that?In post 260, Frizzy Cola wrote:I don't care anyone in tevinter and orlais is suspiciousIn post 265, Frizzy Cola wrote:
So please don't make me say itIn post 264, Dunnstral wrote:Though I have a pretty good idea of what you'll sayV/LA on Weekends-
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Dunn asked it much nicer than I was going to. Why are you concerned what other people think of your nation pick this early?
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I think I need sleep - I read that as foxbeard.In post 286, Frizzy Cola wrote:It would have made sense if I was townreading foxbeebird
I'm feeling good about half my nation - the other half needs to actually do stuff instead of just joining Orlais and lurking out.V/LA on Weekends-
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Do you think you'd get a better or worse read from someone by being in a hood with them? Considering it'd only be night chat in Antiva, you'd get a different POV than the rest of the game. Why avoid that nation?In post 286, Frizzy Cola wrote:It would have made sense if I was townreading foxbeebirdV/LA on Weekends-
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Your actions and your words seem to have some sort of weird disconnect.In post 298, Frizzy Cola wrote:
Pseudo-mason night chat is pretty dopeIn post 295, shaddowez wrote:Do you think you'd get a better or worse read from someone by being in a hood with them?
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Orlais - day/night chat where Warden is chosen by Kingmaker which is random and secret.In post 488, Masquerade wrote:I wasn't lurking unless you can do that from a bed without looking at the thread.
I chose Orlais because I wanna use the PT for extra scumhunting (so day/night-chat) and because I thought Kingmaker would help me form reads but I just realized that I have no idea how it is going to work.
Shiro town, Dunn weaktown so far, Fbbb feels town to as well as Titus-hydra and probably some other people too but I just read up on 20 pages so I don't remember anymore.
Tevinter - day/night chat where Warden is chosen by open vote in the nation.
If you're trying to use the nation for more scum hunting, why wouldn't you choose the nation with more openness?V/LA on Weekends-
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As an FYI, I'll probably be doing stream of consciousness posts as I catch up, so a lot of stuff may be answered later in posts.
This is through page 30 - I hope to get to more today, but no promises.
In post 581, Motoko and Scully wrote:ABR, can I visit your temple of wisdom of infinite reads? I see none and you usually don't mind cracking heads. What's up?
Do you have a read on ABR here based on what you're seeing versus what you expect? This feels like you're insinuating he's scum since it's not what you're used to without outright saying it.
Yeah, I don't like this. Self-meta is terrible, meta from one game is terrible, and using an action that easily changeable is terrible.In post 586, Dunnstral wrote:
I did not utilize the pt because I was scum in that gameIn post 585, Frizzy Cola wrote:
After what happened last time?In post 582, Dunnstral wrote:Are you guys excited to be in a pt with DUNNSTRAL
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There's already been 25 pages of stuff - why would you ask if people are still RVSing? Wouldn't asking directly about reads make more sense?In post 606, Frizzy Cola wrote:are ya'll RVS'ing?
What do you think about the specific nation they joined, considering that was their only post all game?In post 611, iraonavp wrote:Why are you voting Feelmi Udders?
This is their only post in the entire game.
Why the vote on ira? He seemed to be town read by quite a few people at this point, and I don't buy RVS at this point.
If you actually intended this as a reaction test, why would you say so in the first place?In post 628, Motoko and Scully wrote:Reaction fish time.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage
Where's the beef? It's what's for dinner.
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This is their first(ish) post after the actual day started, and the only vote on you. Why do you seem so concerned about this vote?In post 654, iraonavp wrote:Why are you voting me?
I find it suspicious and slightly scum-aligned that you would just vote me without mentioning me at all or giving any reason.
In post 683, Masquerade wrote:Ooh will I be the first wagon of the day? Cool. More votes on me please.
I said I was already developing townreads. I don't feel comfortable outing all of those very soon because I know my alignment and I don't want my stances being copied. So I'm going to see how this day develops, and if you just read my posts my reads will become clear sooner or later. That's how I work. I don't do lists. If you don;t like it, lynch me.
Regardless of how you put out reads, more information is more better for town. We have to convince each other why somebody may or may not be scum - not sharing that info does nothing to help us. You may look at something differently than I do, which would both further discussion and maybe sway one of our reads.In post 697, Masquerade wrote:Ahw.
I'm btw not that worried about being copied, more about being influenced too much. And giving too much away will just give scum more opportunities to play me. Which plenty of you have seen me fall for in the past.
Then, you go and literally contradict yourself. So, which is it? You don't want your stances copied, or you're not worried about them being copied?
What are your reads on Masquerade here?In post 688, iraonavp wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral
I think he had scum-aligned and vulture-like circling of Masquerade, which was not scumhunting but trying to make Masquerade look bad.V/LA on Weekends-
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Because game started on Friday and I'm V/LA on weekendsIn post 1551, 100 Percent Ego wrote:shit, how do I keep forgetting you are in this game shadows?V/LA on Weekends-
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Are you saying this for every situation? So a doctor that knows there's a cop in the game? Or a bodyguard for any other PR? While I agree in general it's a bad idea, I wouldn't say that attempting to determine roles can never be town aligned.In post 752, yellowbaron wrote:Boring is boring. We're both relatively new and plan to give you as many headaches as possible all game
BB? I think role-fishing is definitively scummy, there's no town motivation to do it from my POV. Or rather, the town motivation to note out roles obviously outweights town curiosity. The only question is whether or not they were actually role-fishing imo.
Why don't you think anything from pregame was worth investigating? You think everything said there was NAI?In post 778, Motoko and Scully wrote:I'm disagreeing about scumhunting the pregame.
I'm going to jet outta here. We're dominating the public chat.
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While I don't disagree, was this worth an entire post, rather than interacting with any of the people that are saying things?In post 782, Dunnstral wrote:Not feeling good about Feelmi Udders saying nothing
Any insight as to why you have any of these reads?In post 788, Masquerade wrote:I'm atm not too sure about yellowbaron and I think Biebierboys are town. I could do a 100 percent lynch.Any reason you jumped in and answered this instead of letting Masq answer?
If you feel it necessary to tell us you have to talk to your other head, why lay down a vote like that?
So are 100 and ABR the only non-town reads you had?In post 803, Masquerade wrote:100 percent isn't in the group of players I'm developing townreads on currently and I would rather lynch him than ABR currently. I have no decent read on ABR either but my gut tells me it's better to keep him around over 100 percent.
How is this relevant to their previous two posts?In post 816, Motoko and Scully wrote:Feelmi, how much mafia have you played?
So in 803 it's 100 percent or ABR, and now it's Dunn as a wagon hop. Reasons? Anything?
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In post 1557, SirCakez wrote:Shadow do you have any reads for us? That wall was mostly questioning.In post 1558, 100 Percent Ego wrote:he's not caught up you toolbag
I loled a little at this exchange.In post 1559, SirCakez wrote:From where he did catch up to you toolbag
I have a couple of reads, but mind you these are extremely subjective to change since I'm still 30ish pages behind.
I'm leaning scum on Masq and M&S
FU needs to actually post, so I've got a lurkerscum read there
yellowbaron and FC are town leans.
Everybody else is null and/or I need to parse more still.V/LA on Weekends-
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The posts that I have seen so far have been devoid of any content. You can lurk and post just enough to avoid prods, but still engage or provide some insight when you do post.In post 1563, Masquerade wrote:
Why lurkerIn post 1561, shaddowez wrote:FU needs to actually post, so I've got a lurkerscum read therescum?
Ah, you were responding to yb in 776 - my apologies, didn't put those two together at first. In that case:In post 1564, Motoko and Scully wrote:
Well since you're reading. You have the context backwards. I absolutely think the Pregame was relevant. I was objecting to someone claiming it wasn't.In post 1561, shaddowez wrote:In post 1557, SirCakez wrote:Shadow do you have any reads for us? That wall was mostly questioning.In post 1558, 100 Percent Ego wrote:he's not caught up you toolbag
I loled a little at this exchange.In post 1559, SirCakez wrote:From where he did catch up to you toolbag
I have a couple of reads, but mind you these are extremely subjective to change since I'm still 30ish pages behind.
I'm leaning scum on Masq and M&S
FU needs to actually post, so I've got a lurkerscum read there
yellowbaron and FC are town leans.
Everybody else is null and/or I need to parse more still.
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Not completely caught up, but got a few highlights. I'll put a fruit into chat tonight to confirm the rb/tbb mason claim.
I'm not going to claim my warden ability yet, but I will say that I'm fairly certain it's not unique. I don't think wet can use that as a tell.
Are all wardens chosen? Hammer should not be dropped until that is done. I'll call intent if soV/LA on Weekends-
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rb already answered, but no I was not warden
Are you a double voter? Last VC has him at L-2
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What vote?
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Which makes sense with a scum KingmakerIn post 2997, rb wrote:
I didn't claim protective, I said my role was weak early game in nation - then to my surprise I got wardenedIn post 2994, Shiro wrote:I don't see anything interesting here other than why would Abr pick claimed protective for warden.V/LA on Weekends-
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rb was Kingmaker last night, not Warden. I'm not sure who he made Warden, though I'm guessing it was Masq/DGB. Since it doesn't matter anymore, and I'm not sure if there's x number of each type of role, I was a cop (aligned with darkspawn/aligned with Thedas).
Luna- do you think Shiro would have claimed redirector but lied about who she used it on?
Similar question to anyone voting Luna - do you think she would be brazen enough to outright lie about a guilty? I know rb was willing to entertain that idea, as I asked in the hood and he was the only one to answer.V/LA on Weekends-
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The only person that can confirm who our warden was is the warden. Both the Kingmaker and the Warden are done secretly.In post 3184, Foxbeebirdboy wrote:Someone from Orlais needs to confirm who there warden was n1
D1 - ABR claimed Kingmaker
N1 - rb claimed Warden
D2 - rb claimed Kingmaker
N2 - DGB unclaimed Warden (rb couldn't name himself, and it wasn't me)V/LA on Weekends-
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Actually, I lied - the Kingmaker could also out the warden, but both of our Kingmakers are now dead.In post 3193, shaddowez wrote:
The only person that can confirm who our warden was is the warden. Both the Kingmaker and the Warden are done secretly.In post 3184, Foxbeebirdboy wrote:Someone from Orlais needs to confirm who there warden was n1
D1 - ABR claimed Kingmaker
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D2 - rb claimed Kingmaker
N2 - DGB unclaimed Warden (rb couldn't name himself, and it wasn't me)V/LA on Weekends-
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ABR was a blood mage, not a battle mage
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How many times do I have to say this...In post 3236, Shiro wrote:
^ This as well, he only came to self hammer which makes no sense if Titu's theory was rightIn post 3233, Foxbeebirdboy wrote:Someone in Orlais needs to confirm ABR was warden because I have trouble seeing him not claim that day 2.
The only people that can confirm warden in Orlais are the warden themself and the Kingmaker
Nobody counter-claimed ABR as Kingmaker, I am outright saying I was not, and FU and rb are both dead so they can't speak up. The only other person that could offer any info would be DGB.V/LA on Weekends-
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That's all well and good, but people keep asking for Orlais to confirm. There isIn post 3282, Shiro wrote:Titus is suggesting that
RB was the kingmaker and he somehow had a silent agreement to cover up for abr claiming it and then they had another silent agreement to claim reverse warden as wellNOway to do so.V/LA on Weekends-
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Mind telling us how you're so certain?In post 3569, Dunnstral wrote:
I know this to be true.In post 3192, Shiro wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If that is the case though and we can assume that darkspawn do pick(cause tbh, to my experience so far, refusal to answer is a yes that cannot be stated )then I think I got the answer to this puzzle
Not the mod wifom part but the darkspawn having their own nationV/LA on Weekends-
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I know I'm town. I'm thinking that DGB is town, although I'm hesitant to believe that scum would allow a hood to fill up without any scum in it. With your assumption, all of the scum are in Antiva/Ferelden? Do you honestly believe that?In post 3585, Motoko and Scully wrote:
I'd bet my life on Luna being town. In fact, I'd bet that way about all of Tevinter.In post 3584, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Foxbeebear is townIn post 3511, Foxbeebirdboy wrote:Lynching 3 scum is worth my lynch especially if no one wants to vote you normallyV/LA on Weekends-
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Huh? Who threw a fit? What do ABR and rb have to do with anything when they're both conftown? You're saying that scum was either that late to the party, orIn post 3591, Motoko and Scully wrote:If you and DGB are town yes. They had zero say in Tevinter. So they throw a fit. ABR throws a fit because he wasn't in control. Same with RB.
This has perpetually been just a whine fest from them.purposefullychose nations that didn't give them any benefits whatsoever (outside of the hood in general for Antiva)? I find that nigh impossible to believe.
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VOTE: M&S
You're hung up on theories based on no evidence whatsoever. This also sits really poorly with me:
Additionally, the entire rb argument just doesn't read as TvT.In post 3549, Motoko and Scully wrote:Luna has never seen me in a finished game. She's officially unaware that playing scum is all about building a narrative to me.V/LA on Weekends-
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Right, which Titus is devoutly stating is impossibleIn post 3692, Luna Fox wrote:Also the fact that i even got redirected means that there's scum in Tevinter.V/LA on Weekends-
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What ABR shot ate you even talking about? He got lynched, not NKedIn post 3709, Motoko and Scully wrote:ABR shot clears Tevinter
You're making less and less sense. Keep digging your hole, makes our life easier.V/LA on Weekends-
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So here is my theory, which paints msyelf or Masq/DGB as scum. It still involves ABR (and rb to a point) lying, but not some telepathic agreement between the two of them.
For reference, any time I use the word "know" in the following scenario means absolute truth, as in mod-confirmed.
In Orlais, the only person who knows who the Kingmaker is is the Kingmaker themself. The only people who know who the warden is are the Kingmaker (as they choose the warden) and the warden themself.
On D1, ABR claimed Kingmaker, both in thread and in the hood. There are a maximum of two people that know the truth of this - ABR himself, and if he's lying the actual Kingmaker. Nobody counter-claimed him in the hood, so there was no reason to doubt this. Both of the following scenarios point to ABR being targeted, as M&S insist happens.
Scenario 1- Assuming ABR wasn't lying, and there is scum in the hood, why would they decide to shoot a Kingmaker rather than one of the claimed wardens, especially when one of them was likely a cop?
Scenario 2 - Assuming ABR was lying about Kingmaker, somebody else was Kingmaker. If said Kingmaker was scum, they could choose ABR to be warden and then kill him, effectively negating the warden ability for Orlais that night. Since ABR had claimed cop, he was also the best option since any result he got would have been for naught since he wouldn't be able to pass it on. He was also unlikely to be protected in any manner, since he was assumed to be Kingmaker and not warden.
Now, for the final thought before my vote - immediately before ABR claimed Kingmaker in the hood, Masq says Kingmaker should out themselves in the hood but not tell us who was warden.
I'm still prone to think M&S is scum, since she is the only one insisting on an ABR shot and never bothered to think of this scenario, but I'm sure about this one.
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Check out my 3945, which should practically prove that DGB is scum at this point.In post 4043, Foxbeebirdboy wrote:You targeted one of my very few town reads... sigh.
We are lynching M&S now.
In addition, look at the following D1 posts of Radical Rat's for what are almost definitely associatives:
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Unless you think Titus is more dangerous of a player, I say we lynch DGB first as an almost guaranteed scum hit.V/LA on Weekends-
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Thank you for actually reading my posts - wasn't sure anybody wasIn post 4051, Luna Fox wrote:shadow explained that yesterday actually.V/LA on Weekends-
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Cakez, I agree with you but vote DGB with me toDay and we'll have Titus tomorrow.In post 4076, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: motoko and scully
she was pushing away from RR all day yesterday and I know titus doesn't like to busV/LA on Weekends-
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I have to reread ira, but I don't think there's anywhere near enough steam for a wagon on him today. Let's take care of DGB, and I'm fairly certain M&S is the plan for tomorrow already.The Bieber Brothers wrote:Spoiler:
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Vedith, trust me and sheep me on DGB. You won't regret it
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I'm not sure we know, but I think only 3 scum is a game this large would be unusual. Anyone with more experience in setups than I can feel free to correct me, though.In post 4091, Randomnamechange wrote:Are we waiting on 2 or 3 scum here?
If two, Dunn/M&S, If three DGB could be the third.
I was thinking the same team as you are, but do you think Dunn would be hard defending M&S as much as he is if they're both scum?V/LA on Weekends-
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I don't have any hard evidence, but based on the happenings in Orlais it makes sense that it's either her or me. She was very lackluster about the events of yesterday, as well.In post 4095, PeregrineV wrote:But, I was under the impression others had already rooted out DGB as scum. Is that not the case?V/LA on Weekends-
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Are you opposed to the wagon?
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A) What makes you think Masquerade was town?In post 4106, iraonavp wrote:Luna Fox, why would you check Shiro?
I think DGB is terrible lynch because she replaced Masquerade...
B) What do you think of DGB independently? If one is a better scum player than the other, you can't base a read purely on one of the slotholders.
Regardless of the wagon, what do you think of the slot? If you think DGB is town, make a case for that. Otherwise it's just a chainsaw defense.In post 4105, Shiro wrote:Oh and Dgb wagon is kinda trash.
I don't remember....are theme games allowed to have bastard roles without explicitly announcing it will have them?In post 4107, Motoko and Scully wrote: I also don't trust Shiro isn't a Godfather. I know it's moonlogic blah blah blah but I just don't see Shiro as town.V/LA on Weekends-
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Crap...just looked, and they already are. Theme games:In post 4128, Luna Fox wrote:They should just make redirectors and bus drivers bastard too and then ill be happy ^_^
So I guess Godfather is plausibleA) Are non-Normal via either game mechanics and/or roles.V/LA on Weekends-
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This is getting a bit off-topic, but it appears that "bastard" applies to the player with the role being lied to, not the other players. Godfather, Redirector, and Jester are not-normal roles (ie not allowed in normal games), but are not bastard. Death Miller, non-sane cops, and the like are bastard.
So, since theme games can be not normal, and we know we have redirectors, it's safe to say that therecouldbe a Godfather.V/LA on Weekends-
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No she wasn't, somebody miscounted.In post 4159, Randomnamechange wrote:Is DGB at L-1?
Speaking of -@Mod, can we please get a VC up?
I'd like to hear this as well.In post 4165, Luna Fox wrote:
What do you think of Shadow's mini case then.In post 4164, iraonavp wrote:I think DGB is slightly town-aligned...
Then why are you not pushing a case on me, and voting not only the same person I'm voting but trying to drive the wagon on?In post 4147, Dunnstral wrote:shadowez is scum too
I meant that in terms of allowed roles. I never said it makes sense based on setup, nor do I think with the theme any flavor works with it. Titus was the one saying that Shiro is likely a godfatherIn post 4144, Vedith wrote:
I don't see a godfather role with a re direct role. You can basically give immunity to 2 roles all the time, it also defeats the purpose of a godfather.In post 4133, shaddowez wrote:So, since theme games can be not normal, and we know we have redirectors, it's safe to say that there could be a Godfather.
It also looks like everyone has 2 shots, what are you going to do, give the Godfather 2 shots cop immunity?V/LA on Weekends-
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rb claimed Kingmaker on D2, DGB claimed warden of N2 (but no flavor/abilities/results/etc)In post 4199, Luna Fox wrote:Orlais: ABR, rb, DGB, Shadow, FU
Night 1 - ABR Claimed Kingmaker - Warden Unknown
Night 2 - ??? - ??? (this was claimed somewhere but idk where, im going off memory here)
Night 3 - Orlais can't have Warden anymore.V/LA on Weekends-
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That's correctIn post 4201, Luna Fox wrote:Also does this mean that if 1 of Yume/Cakez/random is lynched Ferelden's tonight Warden is cancelled? (Not that im intending to lynch either of those 3 today, but it's an important thing to know imo)V/LA on Weekends