Street Fighter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Dwlee99]

holy fuck dunnstral has 53 posts a day

[Dwlee99]

anti ranger

[Dwlee99]

then dunnstral?
obviously?

[Dwlee99]

Mason claim > Ranger > anti > dunnstral > nosferatu

[Dwlee99]

no cause I want to lynch you

[Dwlee99]

well, or suzune.

[Dwlee99]

where do u get that idea

[Dwlee99]

how is that wanting to lynch town tho I don't get it

[Dwlee99]

Lmao
If by playing dumb you mean being hella sarcastic cause youre scum making a fabricated push on me sure.

[Dwlee99]

Your push on me is bad. You know it is bad because Ive dismanteled everything youve said and you cant even argue it so you put your fingers in your ears screaming "lala cant hear you", and when someone (ranger) makes a case against you you go "lala I cant hear you everyone ignore ranger".

[Dwlee99]

"you and suzune" isn't an answer to:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

So humour me for a minute. Do you usually put yourself on your reads list. No, because that would be silly you know your alignment. Why does it amaze you that the masons would not be on the list?

It doesnt shock or amaze me. It is simply that the premise of the question is total bullshit.

[Dwlee99]

Im obvtown from titus interactions. Zakk has said and acknowledged this multiple times but now it doesnt fit his narrative. I was town for making sure he couldnt get away with faking a guilty, but now Im scum for it cause it doesnt fit his narrative. He twists my posts and takes things out of context to bullshit a scum read on me, and when all his arguments are shown to be godawful he keeps trudging ahead without a second thought because if he didnt he wouldnt have enough mislynches to win. This is so obvious it pains me

[Dwlee99]

I think almost everyone has voted ranger at least once?

Exactly!
And the conclusion to reach from this is...

...What, exactly?

Well usually I believe that there is no way you could be scum because such precision never comes from the town. However, that thinking burned me once.

im gonna be really disappointed if you're town

Who Zakk? It'a his approach I think. It is an acquired taste.

what are the odds that anti fake claims a role that actually fits into the setup and then proceeds to try to lynch a tracker who he knows is town, get another guilty on his scumbuddy securing a lynch, and then proceed to claim an inno on the last one.

Seems quite elaborate. Not impossible but fairy unlikely I believe.

@Ranger I am willing to lynch Dwlee today

@zakk I am willing to lynch dwlee today

Also willing to lynch Dwlee today

"you and suzune" isn't an answer to:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

So humour me for a minute. Do you usually put yourself on your reads list. No, because that would be silly you know your alignment. Why does it amaze you that the masons would not be on the list?

VOTE: Dwlee

exhilirating catchup

[Dwlee99]

Holy fuck suzune did you even read the thread?

[Dwlee99]

Like if you two are town this is so fucking bad, you should feel insulted by the people town reading you

[Dwlee99]

my bet is ranger anti so if we lose and I was right I can spam quote this

(11) Brian Hollywood -- SirCakez, Heat, Prophylaxis, beeboy, DrippingGoofball, Ranger,

Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon

, Almost50
2 flipped scum
6 flipped town
3 unknown
le sigh

Idk.. it is possible ?

I see it more likely that there is a gap somewhere there, like

Ranger, Antihero

,

Nosferatu

,

Titus, Varsoon

plus nos is probz town

Dwlee, can you at least respond to the stuff I pointed out? Do you think that makes me less likely scum?


What do you think of Zakk's continued pushing without acknowledging it?

does it look like I'm pushing you as part of my scum team? What do you think that means regarding whether or not I think you are scum?

I pretty fucking clearly had opinions before I came to the conclusion you guys are scum. And then since zakk has asked me I have said it again.

[Dwlee99]

Every single post you two makes is like total garbage trying to force a mislynch with bad reasons, bad questions and bad logic.

[Dwlee99]

Self vote because if youre town you dont even deserve a win with how garbage your posts have been

[Dwlee99]

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK are your arguments? Youve contradicted previous things youve said and said some of the things you town read me for before makes me scum now. how can that be town? This isnt the zakk from.mildly dangerous mafia. This is scum!zakk

[Dwlee99]

Backstory for college mafia: Titus was convinced guiltylion was 100% town and massive was their second choice for the remaining town but those two ended up being the remaining scum.
Sorry if this game off jerk-y titus >.<
pedit The quote wall is read progression on beeboy que no me gusta (that I dont like)

Yeah, I made some mistakes in college mafia (suspected GL at one point but couldn't get over the fake reads Cakey appeared to have). I tried to avoid that here with Suzune, which is why I had to do the whole chicken v egg debate.

Still, I would like to think I know you more from our hydra and cyberpunk. Dunn's push on you reeks. His vote pattern is terrible. Y'all should sheep me.

I think Luna is town but my judgment might be clouded :I

What is with this wishy washyness :I

Dwlee came in asking me for read advice I think his play is consistent for wishy washy town.

Not impossible but I strongly disagree here.

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

Yeah, a) not calling the whole team but establishing a pool.

B) Dwlee is in the bus sweet spot.

Suzune and Heat and Nos are the townies that got off the wagons on town to vote scum.

She was town reading me before that somewhere in her memes I can't ctrl+f

titus town read me
I suspected she was buddying
without saying anything she added me to her scum pile right afterwards

[Dwlee99]

Like if you two are town this is so fucking bad, you should feel insulted by the people town reading you

People are town reading me? I have not been town read all game? So please take a number and get in line.

So all the people that believe the mason claim arent town reading you?
okay

I pretty fucking clearly had opinions before I came to the conclusion you guys are scum. And then since zakk has asked me I have said it again.

I would argue that you have been pretty swingy on your read of the masons in particular and you tend to take the side that is popular at any given time.

Again, you arent reading properly. You said I should have opinions on people not you zakk. I say "I did and still do have opinions on people not you and zakk that Ive said" and you respond by saying my read on the mason claims is swingy? >_>

[Dwlee99]

How do you even get to that response, suzune? It doesnt make any sense at all

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Ranger

[Dwlee99]

ranger is at l-1 btw

[Dwlee99]

O__O

[Dwlee99]

Ithink
idk

[Dwlee99]

That one reason is AtE, ranger

[Dwlee99]

Im kinda tired I was out with friends
Will give thoughts in the morning

[Dwlee99]

Antihero has always worked as part of my PoE.

[Dwlee99]

my bussing is much different than that lol

[Dwlee99]

I don't bus my entire team unless I need to.

[Dwlee99]

Ive realized it is probably best for my health if I take a day sitting around in pajamas watching netflix without any mafia or other electronics.

V/LA for a day

[Dwlee99]

town: dunn / ranger (assuming you're town)
scum: ranger

[Dwlee99]

I dont suspect nos.

[Dwlee99]

Especially if anti flips town

[Dwlee99]

I claimed a guilty on an already dead partner once. Varsoon was NOT surviving. It is low risk high reward.

[Dwlee99]

Intent

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Antihero

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ranger

[Dwlee99]

nos tho

[Dwlee99]

Uh
Why

[Dwlee99]

Cause I think nos and dunn are town

[Dwlee99]

If Dunnstral isn't mafia, then we win the game, period. Lynch one of {Dwlee, Nosferatu}, then lynch the other.

2 scum still left what

we have 2 lynches to get it right

[Dwlee99]

Im about 90% sure nos is town here.

[Dwlee99]

hammer ranger?

[Dwlee99]

uhm no
I am so certain nosferatu is town right now

[Dwlee99]

It's ranger > dunn > nos, yes, but only because I need to pick an order. If I didn't need to pick an order it would be ranger > dunn = nos becauseo f how sure I am you two are town.

[Dwlee99]

I don't know how you can think I'm mafia

the answer: I don't
lol

[Dwlee99]

this game is over, hammer ranger so I can put another town win in the bag

[Dwlee99]

Im obvious town for the way titus buddied me and then when I had realized the buddying she immediately and discreetly started pushing for my mislynch among a billion other things that make me town.

[Dwlee99]

Nos is town from a combination of VCA, the general tone of their posts and my belief antihero doesnt claim an innocent on his scum partner. Also dont think Nosferatu's posts about if antihero was faking an innocent were fake.

[Dwlee99]

it is ranger ffs

[Dwlee99]

(11) Brian Hollywood -- SirCakez, Heat, Prophylaxis, beeboy, DrippingGoofball, Ranger,

Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon

, Almost50
2 flipped scum
6 flipped town
3 unknown
le sigh

Idk.. it is possible ?

I see it more likely that there is a gap somewhere there, like

Ranger, Antihero

,

Nosferatu

,

Titus, Varsoon

[Dwlee99]

VCA says ranger is scum
PoE says ranger is scum.
RANGER IS SCUM

[Dwlee99]

Day 3, Final Vote Count:

(0)

Almost50

(9)

SirCakez

--

Antihero

,

Fire Assassin, TiphaineDeath, Heat, Nero Cain, Luna Fox, zakk

,

Varsoon

,

Dunnstral

(0)

Ranger

(0)

Nero Cain

(0)

Fire Assassin

(0)

Nosferatu

(0)

Suzune

(0)

TiphaineDeath

(0)

Dwlee99

(0)

TheWayItEnds

(1)

zakk

--

Nosferatu

(0)

Antihero

(0)

Luna Fox

(0)

Heat

(0)

Dunnstral

(2)

Varsoon

--

SirCakez

,

Ranger

Not Voting:

Suzune, TheWayItEnds, Dwlee99, Almost50

With 16 votes available, it took 9 votes to hammer.

^^^ this
is a SUPER common vote count.
I see this pattern in vote counts so much. You have 2 scum on the mislynch, you have one town and one scum on another scum, you have one derp town on town, and then some town not voting. I see this pattern so much when analyzing vote counts.

[Dwlee99]

Day 1, VC 23

There have been reports of wildlings setting up camp north of the Wall. Ser Waymar Royce is leading a scouting party from the Night's Watch to investigate these reports. He is accompanied by Will and Gared.

-

Square World (7)

-

randomidget, KuroiXHF,

beeboy, Gorkington, Wisdom, Heartless, Dwlee99

- LYNCH

KuroiXHF (3)

-

Square World, Third Wheels,

BlueBloodedToffee

beeboy (1)

-

shaddowez

shaddowez (1)

-

SirCakez

Not Voting (1)

-

mhsmith0

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is on August 2nd at 08:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-08-02 20:00:00).

Mod Notes - None

[Dwlee99]

Day 1, VC 23

There have been reports of wildlings setting up camp north of the Wall. Ser Waymar Royce is leading a scouting party from the Night's Watch to investigate these reports. He is accompanied by Will and Gared.

-

Square World (7)

-

randomidget, KuroiXHF,

beeboy, Gorkington, Wisdom, Heartless, Dwlee99

- LYNCH

KuroiXHF (3)

-

Square World, Third Wheels,

BlueBloodedToffee

beeboy (1)

-

shaddowez

shaddowez (1)

-

SirCakez

Not Voting (1)

-

mhsmith0

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is on August 2nd at 08:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-08-02 20:00:00).

Mod Notes - None

crap, colored the one scum green by accident

[Dwlee99]

It is a bigger wagon? Bigger wagons dont form the same

[Dwlee99]

Also this is my late game as town. Read game of thrones mafia (The one with the VC)

[Dwlee99]

It is 100% ranger or dunn.

[Dwlee99]

Im phone posting so cant color but 1.Final can fit either. I believe the scum team told each other to pile on but a more traditional wagon formation would be dunnstral (it is obviously not a traditional wagon formation though, it was artificially messed with by scum)
pedit *coughcough TITUS' INTERACTIONS WITH ME COUGHCOUGH*

[Dwlee99]

Ranger's posts are pretty much exactly what kuroi did in game of thrones day before lylo

[Dwlee99]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8208595
Nos, Dunnstral, read this

[Dwlee99]

Your posts
are pretty much
the exact same

[Dwlee99]

Conveniently ignore titus' interactions with me. Iz ok

[Dwlee99]

i STILL think a50's probably town

i still think ranger's probably town

i still think dunn's probably town

i still think luna's probably town

zakk swayed me on dwlee

who am i fucking up on?

i refuse to believe the mason claims are scum
i refuse to believe skull took a shit in my wheaties and nos is a traitor

my scum pool is [dunn/dwlee/ranger]

antihero mentions ranger twice
#exposed
pedit well you just cherrypicked the fuck out of titus' iso lmao

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Catch up

I don't think you're mafia anymore.




Probably werewolf


But let's get Titus

I dont wanna

What were your reads again?

Beeboy, titus, sircakez, dgb town reads.
Nero, Nosf scum reads
Super undecided on you
Varying levels of "I dont even know" to "I think they

might

be ___" on everyone else

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

uh... i NEVER said beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself

this is fucking scum too

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

lynch plz

what the fuck
YOU LITERALLY SAID IT RIGHT HERE
>_>

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

Seriously someone explain

THE POST IS SAYING THAT BEEBOY CANT BE TOWN CAUSE OF WHAT HE CLAIMED IN THE POST WHAT THE HELL DO PEOPLE MEAN THAT ISNT WHAT THE POST IS SAYING

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

Like what the FUCK
That IS what the post says. He quotes the post and then says "Yea beeboy is definitely not town now" meaning the reason he isnt IS BECAUSE OF THAT FRICKEN POST. SO THAT IS WHAT 948 IS SAYING

HOWAM I ROLEFISHING NERO SAID THAT ISNT WHAT 948 SAID WHEN IT IS >_>

UNVOTE:
Fucking clown fiesta >_>

Because you're scummier then Nos

My mafia son is town. Trust me on this one. We can't agree on shit, and he obvtowned with his pushback on Dunn (which is a better vote hint hint). Fire can also eat rope.

not really

dwlee is hilariously obvscum though

I feel like if I post one more lol I might tilt a ton of people
oh well
lol

also ftr titus isnt really a master at reading me and the way she declared this is 100% town me felt like some buddying because she wanted me dead in mildly dangerous mafia and was incorrectly reading me from the moment she replaced in iirc.

Backstory for college mafia: Titus was convinced guiltylion was 100% town and massive was their second choice for the remaining town but those two ended up being the remaining scum.
Sorry if this game off jerk-y titus >.<
pedit The quote wall is read progression on beeboy que no me gusta (that I dont like)

Yeah, I made some mistakes in college mafia (suspected GL at one point but couldn't get over the fake reads Cakey appeared to have). I tried to avoid that here with Suzune, which is why I had to do the whole chicken v egg debate.

Still, I would like to think I know you more from our hydra and cyberpunk. Dunn's push on you reeks. His vote pattern is terrible. Y'all should sheep me.

Dwlee99

top of the list
lezgo

She can be scum because she has a track record of being shit at reading me yet declared I was town. She might be playing into a huge weakness she knows I have as town.

VOTE: titus
yea this makes sense

Cause they tried to buddy me.
But ranger is today Titus tomorrow

So your problem with me is that I make too little sense but I confuse people often? That makes sense. [/sarcasm]

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

This post itself confused me :I
If you were asking me, though, I think ranger is scum cause their play relates to scum!ranger but they did say they would be lurking. Cause of that I might consider pv over ranger.

VOTE: Pere

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

This is a bunch of stuff I cant bother to sort, and this isnt even all of it. But I townread titus and she whiteknights me a bit w/ borderlands mafia, then later when I begin to scum read her for buddying me she stops talking about me or to me, then comments at me in a very weird way that isnt about much and the way she asks the question implies she is townreading me, but then when she sees Im not townreading her again she puts me in her scum pile. Also thrown in those quotes are just stuff that I saw while doing the titus+dwlee iso that make it obvious Im town.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler tags tilt the fuck out of me

[Dwlee99]

Im back to thinking it might be dunnstral because of stuff I read while looking at dwlee+titus iso. Some of the comments made by varsoon and antihero seem off for scum to say about their buddy.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Brian Hollywood

Is this the ol' classic call scum partner scummy vote town?

[Dwlee99]

1 scum in both parts of the reads?

[Dwlee99]

He has random filler posts pretty much all game.

Quoting this to prodge for the next two days, ayyy fuck you homedawg


On the mend, though

@Nero Cain: I can remember who is in the game, out of players that are notable to me. If you asked me right now, I could not tell you the whole playerlist without looking at it actually let me try:

Dwlee99
Nosferato
Nero Cain
Antihero
Titus
Dunnstral
Beeboy
uhhh Tiphane Death?
Suzune! Definitely Suzune.
Vedith? No. Not Vedith. Wait. Yes?
uhhhh proqoboq or something?
mmmm
Wake, right? Or House? Or neither of them?
SirCakez.

Yeah that's all that's coming to me right now, man, sorry.

If varsoon named all three of his scum buddies in a row I'mma be cacklin'

[Dwlee99]

oh hmm pere was still alive at that point

[Dwlee99]

where is everyoneeeee

[Dwlee99]

HELLO

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez}
{SoulEaterQueen, Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Suzune, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV}
{Prophylaxis, Heat, Varsoon, Nosferatu, Dwlee}
{Jackrito, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

Cakez, Ranger which one of you 2 wants to be my buddy this game?

Always.
{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez}
{SoulEaterQueen, Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Suzune, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu}
{Prophylaxis, Heat, Varsoon, Dwlee}
{Jackrito, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

Ranger we are wagoning Brian Hollywood would you like to join us?

Sure.
VOTE: Brian Hollywood.
{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez}
{SoulEaterQueen, Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Suzune, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Dwlee}
{Jackrito, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero}
{Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Suzune, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Dwlee}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

Is the new meta of games just to announce: I think X is town or X is town
or for when you scumread
I think X is scum or X is scum

Would you rather bracketed readslist?
I can do that, you know.
{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero}
{Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Suzune, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{Dwlee}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero}
{Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{Dwlee}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}
21.

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero}
{Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Titus, TheWayItEnds, Dwlee}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}
22.

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero}
{Nero Cain, Almost50}
{beeboy, Titus, TheWayItEnds, Dwlee}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}
23.

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero}
{Nero Cain, Almost50, Dwlee}
{beeboy, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero, Nero Cain}
{Almost50, Dwlee}
{beeboy, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}
There we go.

going up to deadline for the sake of "taking all the time" is a scourge on modern site meta

^
Days should last only as long as is productive.

I don't see how we're not at that point.

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero, Nero Cain}
{Almost50, Dwlee, Heat}
{beeboy, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune, Dunnstral}
{Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero, Nero Cain}
{Almost50, Dwlee, Heat, Titus}
{beeboy, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Suzune, Dunnstral}
{Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

It is ranger it is ranger it is ranger
Okay, I learned this from plotinus in musical mafia in the scum PT: scum subconciously will put 0-1 scum in each of their tiers in their read lists. Look at ranger's lists, not once does ranger have more than one scum in a tier AND hardly ever (if ever I cant remember) are scum in the bottom 2 tiers of ranger's read lists.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Colored

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

}
{

SoulEaterQueen

,

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Heat

,

Varsoon

, Nosferatu, Dwlee}
{Jackrito,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

Cakez, Ranger which one of you 2 wants to be my buddy this game?

Always.
{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

}
{

SoulEaterQueen

,

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Heat

,

Varsoon

, Dwlee}
{Jackrito,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

Ranger we are wagoning

Brian Hollywood

would you like to join us?

Sure.
VOTE:

Brian Hollywood

.
{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

}
{

SoulEaterQueen

,

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

, Dwlee}
{Jackrito,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

, Dwlee}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

Is the new meta of games just to announce: I think X is town or X is town
or for when you scumread
I think X is scum or X is scum

Would you rather bracketed readslist?
I can do that, you know.
{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
21.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

, Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
22.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

,

Almost50

}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

, Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
23.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

,

Almost50

, Dwlee}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

,

Nero Cain

}
{

Almost50

, Dwlee}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
There we go.

going up to deadline for the sake of "taking all the time" is a scourge on modern site meta

^
Days should last only as long as is productive.

I don't see how we're not at that point.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

,

Nero Cain

}
{

Almost50

, Dwlee,

Heat

}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

, Dunnstral}
{

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

,

Nero Cain

}
{

Almost50

, Dwlee,

Heat

,

Titus

}
{

beeboy

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

, Dunnstral}
{

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

[Dwlee99]

pls lynch??

[Dwlee99]

WHERE IS EVERYONE

[Dwlee99]

bump to lynch ranger

[Dwlee99]

I'm tilted

[Dwlee99]

bump

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Colored

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

}
{

SoulEaterQueen

,

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Heat

,

Varsoon

, Nosferatu, Dwlee}
{Jackrito,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

Cakez, Ranger which one of you 2 wants to be my buddy this game?

Always.
{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

}
{

SoulEaterQueen

,

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Heat

,

Varsoon

, Dwlee}
{Jackrito,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

Ranger we are wagoning

Brian Hollywood

would you like to join us?

Sure.
VOTE:

Brian Hollywood

.
{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

}
{

SoulEaterQueen

,

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

, Dwlee}
{Jackrito,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

, Dwlee}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

Is the new meta of games just to announce: I think X is town or X is town
or for when you scumread
I think X is scum or X is scum

Would you rather bracketed readslist?
I can do that, you know.
{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Suzune

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
21.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

}
{

beeboy

,

Almost50

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

, Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
22.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

,

Almost50

}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

, Dwlee}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
23.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

}
{

Nero Cain

,

Almost50

, Dwlee}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

,

Nero Cain

}
{

Almost50

, Dwlee}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu,

Heat

}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

}
{Dunnstral,

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}
There we go.

going up to deadline for the sake of "taking all the time" is a scourge on modern site meta

^
Days should last only as long as is productive.

I don't see how we're not at that point.

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

,

Nero Cain

}
{

Almost50

, Dwlee,

Heat

}
{

beeboy

,

Titus

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

, Dunnstral}
{

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

{

TiphaineDeath

,

Sircakez

,

Antihero

,

Nero Cain

}
{

Almost50

, Dwlee,

Heat

,

Titus

}
{

beeboy

,

TheWayItEnds

}
{

DrippingGoofball

,

PeregrineV

, Nosferatu}
{

Prophylaxis

,

Varsoon

,

Suzune

, Dunnstral}
{

Brian Hollywood

,

Kappy

}
{

Fire Assassin

}

look at the distribution

[Dwlee99]

nosferatu
I'm telling you
vote ranger

[Dwlee99]

nosferatu
I'm telling you
vote ranger

pls

If I win by sheeping that'll be stupid. Gonna ISO scum team and then make a decision.

its probably ranger tho just from titus

people always win by sheeping me tho ;-;

[Dwlee99]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67522
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66377
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65521
would have won this^ one if people sheeped me
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66752
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66416

[Dwlee99]

tl;dr I have big ego pls sheep

[Dwlee99]

shep meh

[Dwlee99]

it

is

ranger
I'm obvious town here
I'm 90% sure you're town
dunn is at like 85%
we win this

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

I don't think you're mafia anymore.




Probably werewolf


But let's get Titus

I dont wanna

What were your reads again?

Beeboy, titus, sircakez, dgb town reads.
Nero, Nosf scum reads
Super undecided on you
Varying levels of "I dont even know" to "I think they

might

be ___" on everyone else

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

uh... i NEVER said beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself

this is fucking scum too

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

lynch plz

what the fuck
YOU LITERALLY SAID IT RIGHT HERE
>_>

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

Seriously someone explain

THE POST IS SAYING THAT BEEBOY CANT BE TOWN CAUSE OF WHAT HE CLAIMED IN THE POST WHAT THE HELL DO PEOPLE MEAN THAT ISNT WHAT THE POST IS SAYING

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

Like what the FUCK
That IS what the post says. He quotes the post and then says "Yea beeboy is definitely not town now" meaning the reason he isnt IS BECAUSE OF THAT FRICKEN POST. SO THAT IS WHAT 948 IS SAYING

HOWAM I ROLEFISHING NERO SAID THAT ISNT WHAT 948 SAID WHEN IT IS >_>

UNVOTE:
Fucking clown fiesta >_>

Because you're scummier then Nos

My mafia son is town. Trust me on this one. We can't agree on shit, and he obvtowned with his pushback on Dunn (which is a better vote hint hint). Fire can also eat rope.

not really

dwlee is hilariously obvscum though

I feel like if I post one more lol I might tilt a ton of people
oh well
lol

also ftr titus isnt really a master at reading me and the way she declared this is 100% town me felt like some buddying because she wanted me dead in mildly dangerous mafia and was incorrectly reading me from the moment she replaced in iirc.

Backstory for college mafia: Titus was convinced guiltylion was 100% town and massive was their second choice for the remaining town but those two ended up being the remaining scum.
Sorry if this game off jerk-y titus >.<
pedit The quote wall is read progression on beeboy que no me gusta (that I dont like)

Yeah, I made some mistakes in college mafia (suspected GL at one point but couldn't get over the fake reads Cakey appeared to have). I tried to avoid that here with Suzune, which is why I had to do the whole chicken v egg debate.

Still, I would like to think I know you more from our hydra and cyberpunk. Dunn's push on you reeks. His vote pattern is terrible. Y'all should sheep me.

Dwlee99

top of the list
lezgo

She can be scum because she has a track record of being shit at reading me yet declared I was town. She might be playing into a huge weakness she knows I have as town.

VOTE: titus
yea this makes sense

Cause they tried to buddy me.
But ranger is today Titus tomorrow

So your problem with me is that I make too little sense but I confuse people often? That makes sense. [/sarcasm]

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

This post itself confused me :I
If you were asking me, though, I think ranger is scum cause their play relates to scum!ranger but they did say they would be lurking. Cause of that I might consider pv over ranger.

VOTE: Pere

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

This is a bunch of stuff I cant bother to sort, and this isnt even all of it. But I townread titus and she whiteknights me a bit w/ borderlands mafia, then later when I begin to scum read her for buddying me she stops talking about me or to me, then comments at me in a very weird way that isnt about much and the way she asks the question implies she is townreading me, but then when she sees Im not townreading her again she puts me in her scum pile. Also thrown in those quotes are just stuff that I saw while doing the titus+dwlee iso that make it obvious Im town.[/quote]
[/spoiler]

[Dwlee99]

spoiler tags
are
the
worst

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

I don't think you're mafia anymore.




Probably werewolf


But let's get Titus

I dont wanna

What were your reads again?

Beeboy, titus, sircakez, dgb town reads.
Nero, Nosf scum reads
Super undecided on you
Varying levels of "I dont even know" to "I think they

might

be ___" on everyone else

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

uh... i NEVER said beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself

this is fucking scum too

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

lynch plz

what the fuck
YOU LITERALLY SAID IT RIGHT HERE
>_>

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

Seriously someone explain

THE POST IS SAYING THAT BEEBOY CANT BE TOWN CAUSE OF WHAT HE CLAIMED IN THE POST WHAT THE HELL DO PEOPLE MEAN THAT ISNT WHAT THE POST IS SAYING

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

Like what the FUCK
That IS what the post says. He quotes the post and then says "Yea beeboy is definitely not town now" meaning the reason he isnt IS BECAUSE OF THAT FRICKEN POST. SO THAT IS WHAT 948 IS SAYING

HOWAM I ROLEFISHING NERO SAID THAT ISNT WHAT 948 SAID WHEN IT IS >_>

UNVOTE:
Fucking clown fiesta >_>

Because you're scummier then Nos

My mafia son is town. Trust me on this one. We can't agree on shit, and he obvtowned with his pushback on Dunn (which is a better vote hint hint). Fire can also eat rope.

not really

dwlee is hilariously obvscum though

I feel like if I post one more lol I might tilt a ton of people
oh well
lol

also ftr titus isnt really a master at reading me and the way she declared this is 100% town me felt like some buddying because she wanted me dead in mildly dangerous mafia and was incorrectly reading me from the moment she replaced in iirc.

Backstory for college mafia: Titus was convinced guiltylion was 100% town and massive was their second choice for the remaining town but those two ended up being the remaining scum.
Sorry if this game off jerk-y titus >.<
pedit The quote wall is read progression on beeboy que no me gusta (that I dont like)

Yeah, I made some mistakes in college mafia (suspected GL at one point but couldn't get over the fake reads Cakey appeared to have). I tried to avoid that here with Suzune, which is why I had to do the whole chicken v egg debate.

Still, I would like to think I know you more from our hydra and cyberpunk. Dunn's push on you reeks. His vote pattern is terrible. Y'all should sheep me.

Dwlee99

top of the list
lezgo

She can be scum because she has a track record of being shit at reading me yet declared I was town. She might be playing into a huge weakness she knows I have as town.

VOTE: titus
yea this makes sense

Cause they tried to buddy me.
But ranger is today Titus tomorrow

So your problem with me is that I make too little sense but I confuse people often? That makes sense. [/sarcasm]

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

This post itself confused me :I
If you were asking me, though, I think ranger is scum cause their play relates to scum!ranger but they did say they would be lurking. Cause of that I might consider pv over ranger.

VOTE: Pere

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

This is a bunch of stuff I cant bother to sort, and this isnt even all of it. But I townread titus and she whiteknights me a bit w/ borderlands mafia, then later when I begin to scum read her for buddying me she stops talking about me or to me, then comments at me in a very weird way that isnt about much and the way she asks the question implies she is townreading me, but then when she sees Im not townreading her again she puts me in her scum pile. Also thrown in those quotes are just stuff that I saw while doing the titus+dwlee iso that make it obvious Im town.

[Dwlee99]

yo dude I realized this a while ago keep up

[Dwlee99]

(11) Brian Hollywood -- SirCakez, Heat, Prophylaxis, beeboy, DrippingGoofball, Ranger,

Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon

, Almost50
2 flipped scum
6 flipped town
3 unknown
le sigh

Idk.. it is possible ?

I see it more likely that there is a gap somewhere there, like

Ranger, Antihero

,

Nosferatu

,

Titus, Varsoon

[Dwlee99]

constant AtE from her slot over inactivity could've been remedied by replacing out earlier when she realized she wasn't keeping a satisfactory presence in the game. Doesn't seem like a townie rage but more like a "I can't believe people caught me from this of all things!" sort of rage.

(11) Brian Hollywood -- SirCakez, Heat, Prophylaxis, beeboy, DrippingGoofball, Ranger,

Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon

, Almost50
2 flipped scum
6 flipped town
3 unknown
le sigh

Idk.. it is possible ?

I see it more likely that there is a gap somewhere there, like

Ranger, Antihero

,

Nosferatu

,

Titus, Varsoon

that is such a bad reason tbh

not rly.

Ranger we are wagoning Brian Hollywood would you like to join us?

Sure.
VOTE: Brian Hollywood.
{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez}
{SoulEaterQueen, Nero Cain}
{beeboy, Almost50, Suzune, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis, Varsoon, Dwlee}
{Jackrito, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}

VOTE: brian

yep this can be a corpse now

God damn re-reading the entire game thread can be a bitch...but I think I have enough confidence to go off of what I believe has stuck out to me.

VOTE: Brian Hollywood

*shrugs*

Kappy is on VLA so I am not going to get anything by wagoning him.

You have been on my radar since the SoulEaterQueen post. I know Soul was replaced which is why I'm keeping Anti-Hero on my radar. However, with everyone wanting to be "opportunistic" about hopping on my wagon bc of a couple bad posts, which I'll admit were soley based off of RVS but given my current predicament, I think it's safe to say we're far beyond that..but this just seemed downright careless to me.

Ranger we are wagoning Brian Hollywood would you like to join us?

Another prime example of carelessness. Boy are we feeling confident today. The scum meter is just getting higher and higher.

Dunnstral slot is probably town.
DGB, Titus and Heat are all town.

Brian Hollywood and Kappy are scum.

No, I am town, but thanks for pushing your scum meter higher and higher...

I see you guys are having trouble complining a propper reads list. Here let me help you with that.

town

05 Nero Cain
04 Ranger
20 Varsoon
16 Antihero
17 Prophylaxis
18 Heat
09 TiphaineDeath
13 TheWayItEnds

weak town

07 Nosferatu*
11 DrippingGoofball

null

14 Kappy
15 PeregrineV
02 SirCakez
03 beeboy

scum

06 Fire Assassin
12 Brian Hollywood*
19 Dunnstral
08 Suzune
10 Dwlee99*
21 Titus
01 Almost50

Funny how you put yourself at the top of the list. I would say this is "off" to me, but then again it's you, therefore I'm simply keeping you on my potential scum watch list for now.

After going through everything, I'm feeling pretty confident that you are scum, beeboy. My scum meter is just too much in the red not to ignore it.

UNVOTE: Anti-Hero

VOTE: beeboy

Anti-Hero, don't think you're off the hook because when beeboy comes back as scum, I'm immediately voting for you next. You all saw it right here. So don't be surprised, if I even make it through this first day to be honest, when I instantly put my vote on hero. My RVS is over...you all were looking for my thoughts....there they are.

Carelessness and scum reading you is scummy?? This looks like grasping for straws here.

VOTE: brian

VOTE: Brian Hollywood

I feel like the memes make it impossible for me to engage Titus here.
I mean, it does cure the walls on walls on walls that happen but
ugh

Also, is it just me, or were the last 10 pages just a bunch of readslists?
I just
I can't
whatever.

VOTE: Brian
I don't even want this lynch.
L-1, Claim and stuff.

your vote is the only one that looks not suspicious.

[Dwlee99]

I've been saying anti/ranger for a while now tho keep up

[Dwlee99]

Okay, I learned this from plotinus in musical mafia in the scum PT: scum subconciously will put 0-1 scum in each of their tiers in their read lists. Look at ranger's lists, not once does ranger have more than one scum in a tier AND hardly ever (if ever I cant remember) are scum in the bottom 2 tiers of ranger's read lists.

This can be said of basically every player in every game.
There's nothing subconscious about it.
This is the correlation/causation fallacy at its finest.

I will ALWAYS have scum spread out in my tier list.
Don't believe me?
Just ask Always50.
One of the first instances he uses the tactic.
He used it again here, and more here but didn't explain it until here (partially) and more fully, here.

The way to read my lists is NOT, "where the scum are".
That will be fairly consistent throughout each game: spread out of course. Usually on the mid to lower levels! (Which, surprise surprise, is where they were this game.)
The way to read my lists is, "How do they change?" (Or, more typically as scum,

not

changing.)

k just ISO'd titus
she goes from "morally opposed" to the ranger wagon to confident that she was scum with nero over literally nothing

That's called going from white knighting to sheeping the wagon with a paper-thin excuse. It's proof that Titus is scum, which we know, yes. Personally I don't think it's indicative of anything, but were it, it'd be of her voting town at the moment it became convenient to do so. Namely, as has been pointed out: the wagons prior to Ranger? {Varsoon, Titus}. Or was it {PeregrineV, Titus}? Same end result regardless: Not ideal. So she hopped on in an attempt to divert attention away from them.

First one is a joke I'm 90% sure. The rest I was in that game and almost50 was arguing that the way your reads progress (whether they move up or down) is alignment indicative of the person the reads progressed on. (Don't get me started on how I figured that game out and had almost50 sheeping your reads cause us to lose) And yet your reads on almost everyone THIS game were static ESPECIALLY your scum buddies.

[Dwlee99]

it is really obvious I'm town here and you aren't seeing it for some reason

[Dwlee99]

The rest are all posts you made, which I haven't even begun to analyze, so they're not currently relative. (Didn't even read 'em.) I'll read them when I do my iso of you.

you could just.. y'know.. read them??

[Dwlee99]

If you're town vote dunnstral. It is either you or dunnstral and I'm near 100% certain about that. Nosferatu is town.

[Dwlee99]

The way to read my lists is, "How do they change?" (Or, more typically as scum, not changing.)

YOUR READS LISTS DIDN'T CHANGE THIS GAME AT ALL??SDPJGIHFDCI

[Dwlee99]

My reads have changed but not drastically per se.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like dunnstral might be waiting for us to implode >_>

[Dwlee99]

He has been posting all day..

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: dunnstral

[Dwlee99]

do u still think it is ranger
ugh i am so confused i keep going back and forth from dunn to ranger ;-;

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ranger
dunnstral stop lurkin in teh shadows

[Dwlee99]

You don't have a reason to suspect me and don't have a reason to townread nos.

au contraire

[Dwlee99]

Interestingly enough you know one of those trains is on mafia because no one has hammered yet...

...
sigh

[Dwlee99]

lol

[Dwlee99]

Yea she has to either keep going after me and push hard on that (coughcough kuroi) or risk awkwardly posturing a scum read on nosferatu.

[Dwlee99]

Anti-Ranger (Probably not)

If not really talking about eachother is their scum strategy it is working okay, but it seems kind of contrived.

Anti-Nos (higher odds)

Nos has never once mentioned Anti all game with the exception of some random time but it will filler stuff. I mean never posted anything about them. I find it hard to imagine we went all game without talking about him. Also Anti has gone all game without talking about Nos.

Amazing...seriously amazing.

tbh

[Dwlee99]

we just need a ranger hammer zzz

[Dwlee99]

But Im not mafia soo
If you think I am faking this Im very flattered

[Dwlee99]

There is a reason zakk heavily town read me in the end. He knows how to read me and you should probably trust his ability to do so.

[Dwlee99]

.

You don't have a reason to suspect me and don't have a reason to townread nos.

This is true!
That Dwlee does should tell you...

what

, exactly?

ranger

well its either ranger or dwlee anyway so does it really matter tho

Yes, because I think you are town, and if you flip town, we're gonna have a lylo of three unconfirmed player, with Dunnstral like 99.99% chance having the hammer vote...
...And he is currently convinced that Dwlee is town.

Sooooooooooooo...lynching you really

would

matter, because right now, I don't see us winning if it happens. (See also: needing proof from Dunnstral.)

ranger a few posts later
lmal

[Dwlee99]

You said I have reason to suspect nosferatu and not dunnstral and then 7 posts later said that you think nosferatu is town and that dunnstral in your eyes would be an unconfirmed player in lylo.
Dunnatral, put an end to this game and hammer ranger this is physically paining me.

[Dwlee99]

Dunnatral, put an end to this game and hammer ranger this is physically paining me.

[Dwlee99]

you'd be wrong

[Dwlee99]

20 years later: Ranger still hasnt read the quotes I think prove me as town I posted 5 bajillion years ago

[Dwlee99]

I hate how I totally get town!ranger scum reading me but at the same time scum!ranger has to scum read me cause they need nosferatu as a lylo lynch. Like ranger if youre town youre wrong get your shit together figure out who it is in nos and dunn so if Im a dumbass coleading your mislynch I have more guidance in lylo.

[Dwlee99]

poke

[Dwlee99]

poke

[Dwlee99]

that this game is stalling

[Dwlee99]

ranger is scum
that is where i'm at
pedit ??

[Dwlee99]

It is ranger, it doesn't matter whether or not she town reads you. The game ends with a ranger lynch.

[Dwlee99]

so hammer ???

[Dwlee99]

3 DAYS GUYS zoomzoom gotta go fast
KOWABUNGA kowachu
Hi Im Rick Harrison and I work here with my old man and my son big hoss. One thing Ive learned after 21 years is you never know WHAT is gonna come through that door.
Never forget harambe!!
Ejxhfgxj

[Dwlee99]

Literally could not get closer to a scumclaim than ^this.

[Dwlee99]

Id guess you from your lack of content today but I dont think so

[Dwlee99]

So = ranger flipping town

[Dwlee99]

a day and 18 hours.. ffs

[Dwlee99]

a day and 4 hours, hammer ranger please

[Dwlee99]

Im so DUNN with u dunnstral

[Dwlee99]

Oh
my
GOD
fucking dunnstral stalling hammering scum so my strongest town read dies. nice one

[Dwlee99]

If the last scum is dunnstral Imma be so mad we didnt lynch ranger today because I had this game in the fucking bag but you guys cant read tone for shit and didnt realize how obvtown nosferatu was

[Dwlee99]

And watch Dwlee paint this as an obvscum hammer.

pointing it out yourself doesnt make it any less obvscum

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Ranger
Holy fuck I AM OBVIOUSLY TOWN NOS KNEW I WAS TOWN ZAKK KNEW I WAS TOWN AND DUNNSTRAL WAS TOWN READING ME OVER RANGER

[Dwlee99]

That hammer by ranger was the most absolutely scummy hammer I have ever seen and nosferatu knew it. I believe there is even some meta he brought up about ranger doing the exact same thing as scum before. Im actually tilted at mafia that nosferatu got hammered yesterday as he was obviously town
More proof Im town:
My pushback on zakk when zakk's push on me was terribad and forced.
My reaction to antihero's claim (WHICH RANGER DELIBERATELY IGNORED YESTERDAY)
Titus trying to buddy me
a billion other things
Pedit huh?

[Dwlee99]

Oh I misread dunnstral, he said "ranger over dwlee"
But just read nosferatu's closing posts. That was the worst hammer imaginable

[Dwlee99]

Countdown: 0 days, 19 hours, 13 minutes

Rrrg.
This is the one and only chance I'll get to post before deadline.
We're not no-lynching today.
So by implication, right now we're in the position where if I don't vote, I've condemned myself to be the lynch and where if I do vote we're mislynching either way.
Not happy.

VOTE: Nosferatu.

And watch Dwlee paint this as an obvscum hammer.

It would appear I'm actually in danger of being lynched.

VOTE: Masquerade.

I'm not letting that happen, even if I'm disengaged, sorry.

I'll read during the night.

^ranger in my last game with her when she was scum.

Survivalistic af move that no townie should ever make. Hammering a town read is ridiculous, especially when you are evidently preoccupied with real-world things and don't have a strong presence in the game. She's made all of her points adequately in the case of her death, there's no reason she needs to be kept alive over anyone else. Purely scum motivated move.

[Dwlee99]

Oh
my
GOD
fucking dunnstral stalling hammering scum so my strongest town read dies. nice one

If the last scum is dunnstral Imma be so mad we didnt lynch ranger today because I had this game in the fucking bag but you guys cant read tone for shit and didnt realize how obvtown nosferatu was

And watch Dwlee paint this as an obvscum hammer.

pointing it out yourself doesnt make it any less obvscum

and if you scum read these posts I am legitimately flattered that you think that highly of my scum play

[Dwlee99]

uhm so I just got prodded apparently I forgot the game started or didn't see the message cause it is unread in my inbox. oops..

my bet is ranger anti so if we lose and I was right I can spam quote this

I honestly cant spam quote this enough

[Dwlee99]

accidently hitting multiquote while trying to change pages on my iso like a bawss

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

I don't think you're mafia anymore.




Probably werewolf


But let's get Titus

I dont wanna

What were your reads again?

Beeboy, titus, sircakez, dgb town reads.
Nero, Nosf scum reads
Super undecided on you
Varying levels of "I dont even know" to "I think they

might

be ___" on everyone else

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

uh... i NEVER said beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself

this is fucking scum too

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

lynch plz

what the fuck
YOU LITERALLY SAID IT RIGHT HERE
>_>

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

Seriously someone explain

THE POST IS SAYING THAT BEEBOY CANT BE TOWN CAUSE OF WHAT HE CLAIMED IN THE POST WHAT THE HELL DO PEOPLE MEAN THAT ISNT WHAT THE POST IS SAYING

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

Like what the FUCK
That IS what the post says. He quotes the post and then says "Yea beeboy is definitely not town now" meaning the reason he isnt IS BECAUSE OF THAT FRICKEN POST. SO THAT IS WHAT 948 IS SAYING

HOWAM I ROLEFISHING NERO SAID THAT ISNT WHAT 948 SAID WHEN IT IS >_>

UNVOTE:
Fucking clown fiesta >_>

Because you're scummier then Nos

My mafia son is town. Trust me on this one. We can't agree on shit, and he obvtowned with his pushback on Dunn (which is a better vote hint hint). Fire can also eat rope.

not really

dwlee is hilariously obvscum though

I feel like if I post one more lol I might tilt a ton of people
oh well
lol

also ftr titus isnt really a master at reading me and the way she declared this is 100% town me felt like some buddying because she wanted me dead in mildly dangerous mafia and was incorrectly reading me from the moment she replaced in iirc.

Backstory for college mafia: Titus was convinced guiltylion was 100% town and massive was their second choice for the remaining town but those two ended up being the remaining scum.
Sorry if this game off jerk-y titus >.<
pedit The quote wall is read progression on beeboy que no me gusta (that I dont like)

Yeah, I made some mistakes in college mafia (suspected GL at one point but couldn't get over the fake reads Cakey appeared to have). I tried to avoid that here with Suzune, which is why I had to do the whole chicken v egg debate.

Still, I would like to think I know you more from our hydra and cyberpunk. Dunn's push on you reeks. His vote pattern is terrible. Y'all should sheep me.

Dwlee99

top of the list
lezgo

She can be scum because she has a track record of being shit at reading me yet declared I was town. She might be playing into a huge weakness she knows I have as town.

VOTE: titus
yea this makes sense

Cause they tried to buddy me.
But ranger is today Titus tomorrow

So your problem with me is that I make too little sense but I confuse people often? That makes sense. [/sarcasm]

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

This post itself confused me :I
If you were asking me, though, I think ranger is scum cause their play relates to scum!ranger but they did say they would be lurking. Cause of that I might consider pv over ranger.

VOTE: Pere

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

This is a bunch of stuff I cant bother to sort, and this isnt even all of it. But I townread titus and she whiteknights me a bit w/ borderlands mafia, then later when I begin to scum read her for buddying me she stops talking about me or to me, then comments at me in a very weird way that isnt about much and the way she asks the question implies she is townreading me, but then when she sees Im not townreading her again she puts me in her scum pile. Also thrown in those quotes are just stuff that I saw while doing the titus+dwlee iso that make it obvious Im town.

[Dwlee99]

WHERE U AT SUZUNE

[Dwlee99]

For me it is Nos > Dunn > Ranger >Dwlee

For Zakk it was Nos > Ranger > Dunn > Dwlee

Zakk does not want to consider Dunn because he said If Dunn was scum he deserved the win.

Like for the love of god trust zakk's final reads. He figured me out as town in mildly dangerous mafia and he figured it out here as well
pedit Trust zakkkkkkkk
pedit2 did u even read my posts Im obviously town why the heck does it matter what ranger says

[Dwlee99]

People do this stupid thing where they want to hear scum talk for some reason before they lynch them it is just idiocracy.

[Dwlee99]

Me: Read those quotes I posted from anti and I interactions and say what you think

There isn't much point until I get something from Dunnstral. I'm still waiting for him to show me proof that he's thinking. In other words: beating around the bush is fine and all that, but I want to see something suggesting that he's doing something to overcome the roadblock he's hit.

Ranger: No Im not going to do that cause

then I cant justify by bullcrap scum read on you

dunn needs to stop beating around the bush.
AND THEN SHE HAMMERS WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THEM

[Dwlee99]

this couldnt be any more obvious. She designated a mislynch on me and refused to even consider the evidence Im town. I was evaluating everything including dunnstral possibly being scum because of his doing nothing yesterdsy

[Dwlee99]

GAHH

[Dwlee99]

bump

[Dwlee99]

I dont even feel like reading that
I saw something claiming the nk choice made me scum: I would have killed suzune there 100% of the time regardless of dunnstral's read on me.

[Dwlee99]

People not town reading me loses me the game regardless of alignment, that is null

[Dwlee99]

Literally the only thing in common between that game and this game is that I was in danger of being lynched in both.
That game, I had a "scumread" on Masquerade, the player I hammered.
This game, I did not have a scumread on Nosferatu.
That game, I put no effort into trying to convince players to lynch someone.
This game, I've been trying to get you to lynch Dwlee.
That game, the plan for me post-hammer was for me to die; I knew hammering was a scumclaim. It was one option of many I could have taken.
This game, the hammer was done only because I had no other option.

"It was different because there I knew I would be lynched afterwards!" uhm ok?

[Dwlee99]

I should start at the top to make this less confusing for me

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Dwlee.

Would both of you like to make a pitch for why you are townie?

We can start with an iso of me. Do I even

look

like scum? Drop all interactions and just on that basis alone, do I look like I'm scum?

yes

In comparison, run that same iso on Dwlee.
Then we can add in my interactions with flipped scum. Was I bussing Varsoon, after having just lost Titus

and

PeregrineV?
Was I blindly defending Antihero when doing so would be borderline suicidal?

1. Forced to bus iirc
2. "Why would I defend my scum buddy? People would scum read me for defending my buddy so I wouldnt do that" Heard this argument before, it is total bullcrap. "I wouldnt do <insert scummy thing here> as scum" is always amusing lol

Then we can go into scum's interactions with me. Namely, Titus starts the game with buddying to me. This, in a manner not akin to a scumbuddy.

Or town reading you for little to no reason cause titus doesnt bus

Then, when I am attacked, she white knights me. Her defense of me was empty and hollow: it was defense for the sake of defense.

Yes.. to keep her scum buddy alive..

If Titus were my scumbuddy, she would have brought actual meta to the table in order to defend me. Instead, her defense of me was "on principle".

No. She probably couldnt have brought actual meta cause the meta would prove you scum

Then, we add in the wagons: Titus was being wagoned. PeregrineV was being wagoned. Then, and ONLY then, when the lives of two scum are in danger, does Titus's stance on me conveniently shift into a scumread, where she votes me. Scum opportunistically hopped onto me, bandwagoning me in order to try and save themselves from the noose.

Or you are a goon and titus (?) and peregrine had power roles.

You can also look at what we've been doing the whole game:
When I was lurking, I had shifts in my readslists, which demonstrated I was trying to solve the game.

"I moved players around in my reads list without showing any reasoning. Scumhunting! nya~" No. Your reads lists prove you to be scum because you keep your scum buddies around the same position, never have them below the second to last strung of your reads list, and most damning: Never more than one scum by tier. That is something buddies subconciously do when making reads lists.

When I was struck by real-life problems, I contributed what I could and attempted some basic game-solving. Once I was doing neither, once I started to play the game for real, I put some serious time and effort into solving the game.

Effort isnt alignment indicative but ~anyway~ I dont even agree that you really did much. We have your push on the masons which eh, the masons were suspicious but it was like you refused to scum hunt outside there. I need to check who your lynch pool was outside of the masons but I cant remember cause it was mostly "No one cause it is the masons".

In contrast, Dwlee's been empty-posting the entire game.

1. I havent been empty posting, so wrong
2. I post my train of thought
3. If you ever look at my town meta you will see me doing this exact same posting style.

As a final piece of evidence: contrary to Nosferatu's claims, this is not my scum meta. Quite the opposite, this is my town meta to a T. Dunnstral knows this, and you should too.

"no dont listen to this guy who has played with me before, this isnt my scum meta, this is ACTUALLY my town meta yea" this post is total bull crap

[Dwlee99]

I believe there is even some meta he brought up about ranger doing the exact same thing as scum before.

FAULTY meta.
We were tied, 2-2.
Deadline was in 19 hours.
I knew I was going to be busy with worth the next day, and therefore would not be around at deadline to hammer. Check my site activity if you don't believe me. I did not log in until AFTER the day had ended.

So instead of coming in before deadline was reaching a close, you got PRODDED first, and then decided it was time to post with 19 hours left right when it would be your last time on site until deadline. You got prodded ffs, you werent trying your best to make a case or change people's minds about me, you just came in at the last minute to conveniently hammer.

The options were: leave my vote as it was, hammer myself, or hammer Nosferatu.
If I left my vote as it was, I would not be able to swing a lynch onto you. In short, we would either

1. End in a no-lynch
2. Or one of {Dunnstral, Suzune} would hammer me.

In the case of a no-lynch, we'd be left with four alive and all unconfirmed town, or four alive with Suzune as one of them, in a bad position overall. Not ideal. It would also never happen, because Dunnstral would recognize it as not ideal. Suzune would recognize it as not ideal. So they wouldn't let it happen.

Or you could have actually posted before deadline started coming to a close, but that's just me.

In the case of a Ranger lynch: no duh it's not optimal?
Nosferatu would be a hypocrite to call me out on that, because otherwise, why didn't he self-hammer? The answer is obvious. The chance of lynching scum > no chance of lynching scum. Everyone knows this. This is literally mafia 101 here. If given a choice between lynching yourself, and lynching another player, you lynch the other player, regardless of your read on them.

Yes, I thought Nosferatu was town.
But I KNOW I am town.
And I know that if I hadn't hammered him, I would be lynched.

And I was expecting Dunnstral to be alive, in lylo.
Dunnstral townread me, yes, and townread Dwlee, yes, but he didn't townread Nosferatu. So if I was lynched yesterday, today, he would go after Nosferatu and we would lose.

You really didmt spend your time during the day to try to convince anyone.

The difference between the games is night and day.

Literally the only thing in common between that game and this game is that I was in danger of being lynched in both.
That game, I had a "scumread" on Masquerade, the player I hammered.
This game, I did not have a scumread on Nosferatu.
That game, I put no effort into trying to convince players to lynch someone.
This game, I've been trying to get you to lynch Dwlee.
That game, the plan for me post-hammer was for me to die;

I knew hammering was a scumclaim

. It was one option of many I could have taken.
This game, the hammer was done only because I had no other option.

None of these factors change what happened. Who cares you scum read masq there? Why does that make it any different? If hammering a scum read like that is scummy doesnt that make hammering a town read even scummier there? Again, you attempting to mislynch me doesnt change the situation,.especially when you were wasting your time during the day. And the next point "That game I knew I would be lynched for it, here I might get away with it". REALLY? like you couldnt make your arguments half make sense? This is the same kinda bullcrap "I wouldnt do <insert scummy thing> as scum".

This game, it was clear: If Nosferatu got lynched, I'd be in a lylo with Dunnstral, who was townreading Dwlee but also had a townread on me. He thought, for lynches, Ranger > Dwlee, but most of my fight yesterday was getting him to reconsider that. (So you have to wonder: if I spent all that time making him reconsider that, and at the end of yesterday,

my efforts were working

, why would I kill him?) If, instead, I got lynched, Nosferatu would be in a lylo with Dunnstral, who was townreading Dwlee and scumreading Nosferatu.

I stood a chance at convincing Dunnstral.
Nosferatu, to be blunt...didn't.

Cause nosferatu is smart and was able to see you were scum lmao

[Dwlee99]

did u even read my posts Im obviously town why the heck does it matter what ranger says

Contrary to what Dwlee would have you believe, a thing called "taking your time" and "not rushing" is in fact a good thing.
Contrary to what Dwlee would have you believe, thinking things through, step by step, piece by piece, is more productive than just going with what the loudest person says to do.
Contrary to what Dwlee would have you believe, posting the same basic repetitive thing over and over again does not in fact make it any more true than the first time it was said.

I always get impatient as town when I have solved or believe I have solved the game. Reasons: Bullcrap like yesterday can happen where neither dunnstral or suzune hammer the scum and allow the scum to derp hammer cause "deadline". I want the game over with I fricken solved this it is over. Read game of thrones mafia, there I was super impatient day before lylo once I figured out it was kuroi.

It's almost as if he's

afraid

of something.
Like, maybe, juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust maybe, afraid the

assumption

being made about him being so town will be questioned.
Maybe, just maybe, afraid that if you were to take your time, you wouldn't back him as you have.

Thus, the efforts to rush.

Yes, I am afraid that suzune will stop town reading me. Yes Im afraid that she will change her mind. Because I have put so much fricken effort into this game and figured it out day 7. And Im afraid all my work to get a town win here will be wasted.

[Dwlee99]

Can you explain to me why I should lynch Ranger over Dwlee?

Like.
It really doesn't get much clearer than this.

Dunnstral was thinking.
He was in a position where he was actually putting thought into things. He thought Nosferatu was scum. Nosferatu after being lynched told him he was wrong. He was asked why me over Dwlee. He had the brains to point out,

But the timer

^This. (Mind you, another difference between Near Vanilla and here. In Near Vanilla, there was no looming deadline. Here, there most certainly was.) He was thinking in a very, very dangerous way to Dwlee, and a very, very advantageous way to me.

And you think that in lylo, I killed him?
I don't have the longest history of surviving to lylo as the last mafia.
But I do have these two.
Carbon 14, I killed the player suspicious of me, Creature. This was very advantageous to me.
Diffusion of Power, I killed RadiantCowbells who was suspicious of me. This was very advantageous to me.

Killing Dunnstral runs contrary to that, because Dunnstral was sounding an awful lot like he was ready to hear me out, without bias, in lylo.
He was going to think.

That wasn't dangerous to me. His default was lynching me instead of Dwlee.
It was dangerous to Dwlee.

1. Wifom by killing dunnstral
2. I would not have killed dunnstral there and notice these arguments are only in response to ranger saying I would because I wasnt planning to use night kill choice to call someone else scum over night unlike some people,

[Dwlee99]

Still ranger never acknowledges anything Ive said or even try to say why Im scum, she is ignoring it because she knows Im right. She needed a mislynch on me yesterday so she did tje same thing, not even considering my responses back to her.

[Dwlee99]

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

I remember in game shop mafia where rc almost got off on counter claiming nero who flipped role cop and then claiming he was really a 2-shot cop and a bunch of other crap and back tracking. I feel like anti is already trying to backtrack (with the things beeboy listed about like saying beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself and backtracking on that)
VOTE: antihero

uh... i NEVER said beeboy was scum for saying td targeted himself

this is fucking scum too

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

lynch plz

what the fuck
YOU LITERALLY SAID IT RIGHT HERE
>_>

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

ok... dwlee just... stop talking

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

what. That
what
why
fuck

Seriously someone explain

THE POST IS SAYING THAT BEEBOY CANT BE TOWN CAUSE OF WHAT HE CLAIMED IN THE POST WHAT THE HELL DO PEOPLE MEAN THAT ISNT WHAT THE POST IS SAYING

I am a town Tracker. I targeted TD who targeted themselves.

BEEBOY CLAIMS TOWN TRACKER AND SAYS TD TARGETED THEMSELVES

the "very very very likely" is now "certain"

THEREFORE HE IS SCUM

lynch plz

holy shit
I colored it red. Explain to me what I'm not seeing.

the fact that thats not really what 948 says.

Like what the FUCK
That IS what the post says. He quotes the post and then says "Yea beeboy is definitely not town now" meaning the reason he isnt IS BECAUSE OF THAT FRICKEN POST. SO THAT IS WHAT 948 IS SAYING

HOWAM I ROLEFISHING NERO SAID THAT ISNT WHAT 948 SAID WHEN IT IS >_>

UNVOTE:
Fucking clown fiesta >_>

[Dwlee99]

Final note: How bad ranger's arguments were should prove Im town and Ranger had to bullcrap reasons to call me scum

[Dwlee99]

1. Wifom by killing dunnstral

Except, I have a very strong record of saying I don't believe in wifom kills.
If zakk were alive in place of Suzune, he would know this because he was there to see a notable example: Killer Instinct Mafia.

zakk, in lylo, was like, "The Almost50 kill was for wifom."

I was very adamant: no, it wasn't.
Wifom kills do not exist.
Ever.

Never, ever.
There's always a different reason.

I sure can't think of any reason I'd throw away an asset, and also make a true 1v1, over simply killing Suzune.
I can however think of several reasons you'd kill Dunnstral over Suzune.

Still ranger never acknowledges anything Ive said or even try to say why Im scum, she is ignoring it because she knows Im right.

Pot, kettle, black.

I've addressed the relevant points.
You pick and choose yours.

Final note: How bad Dwlee's arguments were should prove I'm town and Dwlee had to bullcrap reasons to call me scum.

about to start a league match just kinda want to mention how Ranger has a

game prepared to quote saying they don't wifom kill

in preparation to try to prove it isn't a wifom kill.

[Dwlee99]

I dont even feel like reading that

Like, I don't know how this gets any clearer.
This isn't town who knows that I'm scum and therefore doesn't need to read what I'm writing.
This is scum who doesn't want to respond to the points I am making, because they are points which are disconcertingly

good

.

no

People not town reading me loses me the game regardless of alignment, that is null

Your argument falls apart with one simple fundamental fact about the game which differentiates town from scum: town don't have a nightkill, whereas scum do.
Dunnstral not townreading you loses you the game as town, yes. This is reason for me as scum to...not kill Dunstral.
Dunnstral not townreading you loses you the game as scum, yes. This is reason for you as scum to...kill Dunnstral.

my sentence there was in response to you in 5943 so idk y you're misrepping me there

1. Forced to bus iirc

Oh, really? And how so? I had plenty of people I could have pushed. I had town credit to my name, thanks to the Titus/PV push on me. There was no need for me to bus Varsoon. But while the town was busy mislynching SirCakez, I was busy trying to fight for a Varsoon lynch.

Except you had no reason to worry about varsoon being lynched. Once he claimed survivor you're free to sit there and declare him scum while coasting on it.

She probably couldnt have brought actual meta cause the meta would prove you scum

Enlighten me, then. Show me the meta that would prove I'm scum.
I'll wait.

This isn't my scumgame.

I'm not calling you scum for meta. You called yourself town because titus said "Meta says ranger as scum" but that titus would actually provide real meta if you were scum. That is completely illogical, though, because scum buddy titus couldn't have any valid meta to show that you were town.

Or you are a goon and titus (?) and peregrine had power roles.

The idea that scum, after being double-wagoned, would focus on scum, is still laughable. They could have directed attention to any number of players. Nosferatu, for instance. SirCakez, for instance. 1268 and 1340 are proof enough of that. Heck! They could have gone for Dunnstral. 1676 shows that much. But they didn't. They went for me. Or! Or, if they were planning on bussing! Go after Varsoon. He's a goon. The only one we have flipped, actually. They didn't attack him.

Occam's razor. What's simpler: scum were double-wagoned, and then, they decided to go after another scumbuddy guaranteeing the lynch would be on scum when doing so wouldn't even save their lives...
...Or scum were double-wagoned, and desperate, tried to lynch a townie?

I believe that you were getting wagon'd and then they diffused onto peregrine and titus? Not titus and peregrine then onto you.

Your reads lists prove you to be scum because you keep your scum buddies around the same position, never have them below the second to last strung of your reads list, and most damning: Never more than one scum by tier.

I have already addressed literally every single one of these points, to which you did not respond.

But I did respond. You didn't respond to my response. I responded in 5805 and 5809.

"no dont listen to this guy who has played with me before, this isnt my scum meta, this is ACTUALLY my town meta yea" this post is total bull crap

Except, Nosferatu has how many games with me, exactly? Two, three, four? A key fact you aren't aware of, but which I am, is that in Near Vanilla,

Nosferatu was townreading me

. The whole game, he was townreading me when I was scum. He misread me that game. He misread me this game. Because Nosferatu does not have the sample size to know what is actually a relevant part of my meta. There are things which make me town, and there are things which make me scum. Nosferatu does not have the skill to know, and I already demonstrated this by showing the differences between that game and this game.

You're literally trying to claim "This is my town meta!!!" but providing 0 evidence to back up that claim. You're just full of crap.

[Dwlee99]

Or you could have actually posted before deadline started coming to a close, but that's just me.

^The whole of your point here and above can be summed up as an attack on my real life schedule.

shrug

You really didmt spend your time during the day to try to convince anyone.

So what, exactly, was 5725? 5736? Most of my posting there is figuring out for sure which of {Dwlee, Nosferatu} is scum, but another noteworthy one is 5739. 5741 was me doing what? 5742 was a callout with a purpose of doing what? Very importantly, what is the second half of 5746? You

sure

that's not trying to convince anyone? 5801. 5804 lays out my stance pretty unambiguously, wouldn't you say? 5811 sure looks like a callout to me. If the last part of 5838 isn't trying to convince players, I don't know what would be. For that matter, if not an attempt to convince players, what would you call 5845? 5853 clarifies my stance and makes it unambiguous. 5863 is furthering my case against you. 5886's latter half is building the case and trying to convince Suzune. If not that, what would you call it? 5902 is clarifying my stance once more.

I'd say that's a fair amount of trying to convince players. In fact, it's almost all of my posts. Now, why would that be, exactly?

You didn't actually interact with anyone at all tho.
(And no I'm not clicking on all of those posts to check if what you said is true about those posts cause I'm not wasting my time)

[Dwlee99]

Pot, kettle, black.

I've addressed the relevant points.
You pick and choose yours.

I've responded to all of your points every single day. ???

[Dwlee99]

I have responded to everything you have said against me. The funny thing is you say Im picking and choosing what to respond to when you say "I responded to the relevant points" meaning YOU are picking and choosing. YOU havent been responding to my points against you.

[Dwlee99]

Can't the reason be: To frame a town I want to mislynch in lylo? Idk why I'm even trying to argue with you over this point as it is pretty clear that your "I'm town cause night kill!" is absolute bull crap but I feel like it. Like there's so many good reasons for you to kill dunnstral that I can think of right now. You don't know how dunnstral would respond to nosferatu's continued posting about your slot. Maybe you think that suzune would lynch me over you because they stated at some point they had a town read on you (and thus refused to hammer you yesterday). It doesn't even have to be WIFOM, it could be those things or many other reasons. Oh, another one, you might feel that dunnstral has been more competent during this game than suzune and would be more likely to analyze all the data and conclude you're scum. You trying to validate your alignment through such a flimsy argument like that is reallyreallyreally bad and I hope suzune can see that.

[Dwlee99]

you're too mentally exhausting for midnight

[Dwlee99]

I feel like this should be obvious but ranger uses such fancy language and then links to a billion different things without directly quoting them and her quote tags dont have post tags so I cant fricken look at where theyre quoted from easily and it is so exhausting

[Dwlee99]

Ranger still hasnt commented on my interactions with antihero that I quoted. She didnt yesterday and hasnt today at all and I cant be bothered to dig through all those links. Like the things I didnt respond to (or was it one of them idk) was you saying "nu uh my readslists always look like this" and then linking like a billion different games and the one time you did that (and cited almost) I was in that game so I actually knew you were full of shit saying almost believed your reads looked like that. If you actually read that game almost says it is the

progression

of ranger's reads that can be used to determine who scum are.
So like that whole response about how her reads lists always look like that is bull crap. Her reads list literally place the rest of the scum team evenly throughout her reads list without putting any of them in actual lynch range for her (Im talking about the ones where she is catching up at the beginning of her iso) That does not come from town, it just doesnt. And Im so upset that because of dunnstral's unwillingness to just fucking hammer ranger I actually have to expend all this time and effort into showing you how obvious this is, suzune. I have clear interactions with antihero (and titus from her buddying -> scumreading transition) that show Im town and ranger's smoking gun is how textbook scum her reads lists are. And during this, suzune, you havent even responded to anything except ranger saying that you were scumreading her or something and just fuck.

[Dwlee99]

Except you had no reason to worry about varsoon being lynched. Once he claimed survivor you're free to sit there and declare him scum while coasting on it.

Coasting my ass. I was doing everything in my power to, given my

real-life circumstances

, push for his lynch. I declared him, unambiguously, scum. I said that I didn't believe his claim. I pushed him the entire time I was around. I thought his lynch would be good. He was in my lynch pool, and SirCakez was in my god-tiered town list. And I voted him on D4, before Antihero had claimed anything. I was trying to lynch him for most of the game.

You have about 100 mentions of varsoon in your iso, about 70-80 of those are after his death. Here is your last few posts before his lynch.

Spoiler:

{Suzune, zakk, Fire Assassin, Varsoon, Nosferatu}
This is my lynch pool.
At this stage, I don't see me lynching anyone outside that list, because by lynching everyone within it, I think we have a guaranteed win.

Sets up lynch pool with 4 town and only 1 scum in it.
Yes, you WOULD have a win by lynching everyone in it lmao

Hi ranger! how are you

I'd say doing well, but that'd be a lie.
I wouldn't be saying in basically every game, "I'm taking a break from mafia", if I was doing well.

I'm doing better with each completed game and nightkill on me or terribad lynch on me, but I still think it'd be healthiest to be at zero games, breathe a little, compose myself, and then leap back in after everything's done, so I'm pretty happy that I'm probably gonna die early this game!

VOTE: zakk

I agree!

VOTE: zakk.

hops onto zakk

thoughts on having Zakk, Suzune, Cakez and Varsoon CLAIM?

SirCakez shouldn't.

Others should.
And then we lynch one of said others.

Lets lynch Varsoon.

This is fair.
VOTE: Varsoon.

hops onto varsoon

And by the way:
This is me, having read Varsoon's claim.
And not unvoting.

Like, ever.

where is ranger now?

Returning from the V/LA I announced sitewide: I'm on limited access on Wednesdays.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to read all the pages.

In the mean time,
VOTE: Varsoon.

This isn't you pushing super hard for his lynch at all.

I'm not calling you scum for meta. You called yourself town because titus said "Meta says ranger as scum" but that titus would actually provide real meta if you were scum. That is completely illogical, though, because scum buddy titus couldn't have any valid meta to show that you were town.

The arguments are one and the same. I am saying that Titus would have provided real meta if I were scum. You say that it's impossible to show, because the meta would demonstrate I'd be scum. So I'm asking you to prove that statement. I said Titus would provide real meta if I were scum; this can be backed up by our prior scumgame together where she actually asked me to provide meta for her to do exactly that. You say that Titus could not provide real meta if I were scum; you...
...Don't back it up, and I'm demanding you do.

The burden of proof lies on you here. You say "Titus says that meta makes me town and didn't provide evidence, therefore I am town". That is not a logical conclusion to make from that. In fact I argue that the lack of meta provided shows that titus had a bull crap town read of you cause you are her scum buddy. You cannot say that titus would provide actual meta with you as her scum buddy because if meta is a valid argument in any way, the meta from your town games would show how you differ here from your town games. There is no way to come up with real meta that proves you as town when you are scum. You just can't. Any meta used would be bull crap. You're just trying to validate yourself as town through really really really bad reasons.

I believe that you were getting wagon'd and then they diffused onto peregrine and titus? Not titus and peregrine then onto you.

Uh-uh. The events of the day went: PV/Titus got wagoned. I got wagoned. Nero shot PV, resetting the votecount. And Titus, for her scum push in relationship to PV, got lynched.

1759 is prior to the Ranger wagon. Titus/PV peak at 5.
1976 starts the Ranger wagon.
2026 almost peaks the Ranger wagon (give or take a voter or two).
2459 resets the votes as Nero shot PV.
2526 shows that, post-shot, both Varsoon and Titus were on me, while the Titus wagon was forming.

Keep lurker scum alive or keep the strongman/roleblocker alive. Take your pick.

You didn't respond to my response.

I did respond to 5805. In 5810. I did respond to 5809. In 5815. Where's your responses to those?

5812 is a response to part of your post. But those posts were just declaring "my reads lists DID change" and "look at this meta where my reads lists didn't change!!" and me thinking "well they haven't changed and you changing like one read up and down isn't very much change"

You're literally trying to claim "This is my town meta!!!" but providing 0 evidence to back up that claim.

Oh, you want my town meta, do you?
Well!
Open 642: apathetic/busy/restricted town.
Open 649: apathetic/busy/restricted town.
Newbie 1714: busy/restricted and later apathetic town.
Diffusion of Power: apathetic/busy/restricted town.
Kill All Townies: busy/restricted town. (Not apathetic, in fact, rather pissed off, but I digress.)
Mini 1795: apathetic/busy/restricted town.
Anything UPick, apathetic/busy/restricted town.
DC Dual Universe, apathetic/busy/restricted town.
Diffusion of Power, restricted town.

These games sound familiar.
What's the other side look like?
Mass Effect Mafia, nothing like this game.
Bloodeborne Mafia, nothing like this game.
Pokemon Episode 5, nothing like this game.
Stack the Deck, nothing like this game.
Literally Anything Upick, again, nothing like this game.

Shall I go on, or have I made my point?

This game is, very obviously, very clearly, not my scumgame.

See but I played with you in bloodeborne and mass effect. I can't remember in mass effect but in bloodeborne you were definitely apathetic and lurky. Like you can't say "THESE GAMES WERE NOTHING LIKE THIS ONE" and "LOOK AT THESE TOWN GAMES WHERE I DO THIS THING". The most you are able to say from your town meta showing you as apathetic and lurky is that you can't be

scumread

for your meta, but demanding to be town read for this meta is just trying to validate yourself as town for bad reasons. It is similar to the "titus didn't provide real meta of me", you can argue that you shouldn't be

scumread

for that whole debacle but trying to pin that as you needing to be town read for that is wrong. I have talked about my meta, but I'm not demanding to be townread for this as I recognize that this is my play style in almost all of my games. There are probably nuanced differences between my playstyle as scum / town but I'm not aware of them. You try to say "You are scum because your posting is simply one-liners, off-the-cuff-remarks, not walling, etc." or whatever the heck you were saying about my play this game but I have examples of me as town playing this exact same way. Does this validate me as town? No. But it DOES validate that scum reading me for those reasons is bullcrap. And then you try to do the opposite with your meta, claiming "I play this way in my town games therefore I'm town here". That is wrong. Imo meta is only useful for eliminating scum tells, such as someone doing a certain thing regardless of alignment, or maybe eliminating town tells for a seasoned scum player, but your attempts to verify yourself through meta are laughable.

You didn't actually interact with anyone at all tho.

Suzune, I encourage you to look at the posts Dwlee is calling "not interacting with anyone" and judge for yourself.
Because, uh.
Yeah.
I interact with people.
As in, quite explicitly.

I'm not fact checking this, I'm going off memory.

I have responded to everything you have said against me.

I just proved that false.

eh, those posts aren't respondable, especially when you just post a billion links to different games

The funny thing is you say Im picking and choosing what to respond to when you say "I responded to the relevant points" meaning YOU are picking and choosing.

The difference is, I'm responding to all of your points that are actually points, and casting aside the stuff that...is just gibberish meant to be words. Fluff. Nonsense. Every time you bring up things that I haven't responded to, I'll either point out where I did exactly that or point out why it's not something that's worth responding to.
You're selecting which battles to fight with me, and dropping the ones you can't win. You even admit it with stuff like this:

(And no I'm not clicking on all of those posts to check if what you said is true about those posts cause I'm not wasting my time)

Like I said. Picking. Choosing. Every time I bring up stuff you haven't pointed out, only about half of it gets addressed, because you're hoping that I'll forget about the points I brought up you neglected to address.

I recognize that sometimes my arguments will be flawed. When something I say gets proven wrong or shown to be incorrect I don't keep pushing it because I recognize that. Scum are the ones who don't give up their positions and keep trudging along with their bull crap narratives. (Coughcough you arguing titus not providing actual meta makes you town coughcough)

[Dwlee99]

Can't the reason be: To frame a town I want to mislynch in lylo?

No, that, by definition, is wifom.
Which doesn't exist in kills.

The simple explanation for why Dunnstral dies with Dwlee as mafia: "Dunnstral is thinking about Dwlee = mafia, he needs to die".
The explanation you're presenting for why Dunnstral dies with Ranger as mafia: "Dunnstral thought Dwlee = mafia. Ranger chose to throw that away, in spite of Suzune having shown no indication at all from budging her Dwlee-town position. This, because Ranger thought the value of a wifom kill would outweigh the value of a person who would likely side with her."

I'm arguing that either:
You believe suzune will think I made the kill (but by you it is just "wifom" so I'll ignore that)
You are unsure how dunnstral might react to nosferatu's end of day posting, he might be convinced you are scum after that
Dunnstral is a more useful poster (sorry suzune but it is true) Dunnstral has been analyzing things and been much more active than suzune, therefore he would be more likely to come to the conclusion of you being scum with more time spent into the game
Suzune is townreading you
etc., etc.
You continue to do this thing where you push things as validating some argument when in reality they're bull crap. It is like the titus not providing meta thing, it is like your "this is my town meta" thing, these things are not alignment indicative and yet you push them as though they are alignment indicative because you have no real arguments that can validate yourself as town or me as scum so you use these bull crap arguments.

You don't know how dunnstral would respond to nosferatu's continued posting about your slot.

Except, I do. He posted. Noteworthy also, is that I wasn't around to post during that time. He'd see my response, in comparison to Nosferatu's points. And he'd recognize that there's a difference between Nosferatu's relationship to me and his relationship to me: Dunnstral and I have high synergy and when a team can work together well. Nosferatu can't read me. He thinks he can, but consistently he's wrong. The difference between Dunnstral's ability to read me, and Nosferatu's ability to read me, is night and day, so Dunnstral would know to go with his own judgment on the matter.

You actually just proved what I've been saying. Dunnstral has the ability to read you properly, you said it in this paragraph (more implied it but it is definitely there). With dunnstral being able to properly read you you kill him as scum because he'd figure out you were scum. Derp don't prove me right when trying to argue.

Maybe you think that suzune would lynch me over you because they stated at some point they had a town read on you (and thus refused to hammer you yesterday).

Except, Suzune specifically said multiple times, at every stage: lynch Ranger > Dwlee. Nosferatu was in front of me, yes, but consistently, Suzune has said I'm a lynch over you. Suzune said it yesterday, Suzune's even said it today if I recall correctly.

P sure suzune already responded to this

The difference is really simple.
If I were scum, killing Suzune leaves me with an even playing field, one I might have a slight advantage in.

No, it leaves dunnstral alive who knows how to read you. You even fudging said it.

If I were scum, killing Dunnstral leaves me with an uphill battle

at best

, an unwinnable game at worst.

No, as suzune is pretty clearly undecided between you and I.

With you as scum, killing Suzune leaves you in a position where you're not certain of things, and you might have a disadvantage.

Okay probably

With you as scum, killing Dunnstral all-but secures the win.

But.. it doesn't. Suzune is undecided between us. She has been since yesterday. She p clearly thought it was nosferatu and was hard townreading both of us.
Again, trying to argue not-alignment indicative things as alignment indicative. Could I have made the dunnstral kill? Yes. Would it make sense for me to kill dunnstral? Probably. But it also makes a ton of sense for you to kill dunnstral because as you've said HE CAN READ YOU. No fricken duh you're gonna be killing the player in the game who can read you properly before lylo.

[Dwlee99]

Time and time again ranger is arguing that NAI prove her as town / me as scum, it is truly masterful how logical she can make these NAI indicative things seem but once you get down to it you can see she is arguing total bull crap and she can't drop these positions as showing nothing because it is all she has.

[Dwlee99]

I messed up my use of NAI twice, one time by not including the word things and the second by saying NAI indicative. God my brain is fried.

[Dwlee99]

I mean, to be honest, I'm not even sure why I'm arguing since I don't even know if anything I'm saying is even remotely getting through to her.

relatable

[Dwlee99]

this entire argument seems to boil down to you saying "These things are alignment indicative" and then me saying they aren't.
The thing with my interactions with antihero is that I don't understand how anyone could think that those are scum buddy interactions.

[Dwlee99]

welp you just lost town the game
gg lmao

[Dwlee99]

I just could not see ranger being town.

"I COULDNT SEE RANGER BEING TOWN SO I VOTED DWLEE"
wow
just...
wow

[Dwlee99]

Thanks, nosferatu, for actually seeing ranger was scum like a rational person. Appreciated it.

[Dwlee99]

God I put so much effort into this game to be defeated by scum who lurked her way through the game and then just posted bullshit logical arguments. Sighsighsigh

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Dwlee

In my opinion, I just could not see ranger being town. But I had a potential pair with Dwlee. So I am going to lean that way.

I just can't believe this post. I will never forget this post. Like every time I think about losing a game of mafia as town I will come back to this post and say "at least it wasn't as bad as this"

[Dwlee99]

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[Dwlee99]

I'M NOT ACCEPTING HUGS FROM ANYONE IN THIS GAME WHO WASNT A PAL

[Dwlee99]

Pals are town who correctly read ranger and I.

[Dwlee99]

Glad I got to passive aggressively secure the page top before you ruined it, titus. Idk if that was deliberate or not.

[Dwlee99]

"Titus didnt provide meta reasons for me being town therefore Im town" One of the stupidest arguments Ive ever had to face and somehow it worked. That is really clearly BS