The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[MariaR]

Wait wait let me see if I get this.
Moi is sus of BBT but is 100% okay with him joining the bw on me
He tries to keep pushing far side and yet keeps his vote on me cause he knows far side isn't getting lynched okay eat rope

Does VCA mean vote count analysis

[MariaR]

I forgot. I have to srsly try and read fire now fml

[MariaR]

You just revealed you are scum in all other ongoing games.
I have you now.

~Fire

G_G

[MariaR]

Moi is sus of BBT but is 100% okay with him joining the bw on me
He tries to keep pushing far side and yet keeps his vote on me cause he knows far side isn't getting lynched okay eat rope

dont be as bad as farside
first of all his vote is on me, not you
his bbt read is barely any strong to warrant minding him voting you
and the farside thing is stupid, why does he need to vote her? cant he have multiple scumreads?

No it just seems like far side is the strongest sr and even if not a vote for pressure or a vote itself would have made it much more realistic but that's me being picky

[MariaR]

MoI is playing like he did in Princess Bride
Maria is playing like she did in Machiavellian
Kuroi is playing dumb like he did in Game of Thrones and that Pokemon game mollie was talking about (granted, I wasn't in those, but I've read the Pokemon one multiple times now and I see the similarity)

MOD can we have a votecount please

-smart

What part of don't try to meta me because I change my game do you not understand and I am not even acting close how I did in that mafia game

[MariaR]

think of it the reverse way
why even try to push farside when he knows there's no support for her lynch whatsoever? he'd be much better off continuing pushing you and/or me

Fair point.

[MariaR]

Not until Moi explains his sr on me and if he doesn't he can still eat rope

xk will always be my 2nd lynch choice

Why does everyone sr basic I wouldn't mind lynching it but mostly it's a null read haven't seen any "Wow this is really scummy/towny posts"

[MariaR]

It's like a game of tug-o-war
I still don't trust BBT with his awful gunsmith choice and the fact he used it n1 lol I think DGB is town because of it but I don't trust BBT even a little.

[MariaR]

no idea
Basic and xk have about equal amounts of content (with Basic having a little more imo) yet Basic pops up in scumlists and Xk doesnt

Moi has explained his scumread on you, however terrible his reasons were

pedit: @maria

I disproved them and he has yet to give a come back because of my said reasons I will happily talk to him if he so wishes but until then I will stay on this wagon.

[MariaR]

the meta case. Maria is admittedly a very dynamic player and I've never seen Kuroi's scumgame personally. But I've seen MoI on both sides and this is his scumgame.

how many games have you played with him?

He was the backup mod in a game hosted that I was scum in

[MariaR]

I think I have a more carefree tone the more friends I have but as I have barely any in this game I get srs

[MariaR]

I'm prob chainsaw lynching xk and Moi regardless of flips

[MariaR]

I haven't seen much to change my reads on them for the most part do you still think they're towny?

[MariaR]

Maybe I should just stop saying what I'm thinking I get sr for it a lot pfft

[MariaR]

Why the hell would you chainlynch them?
I gave you a point for Magna-town and you said it's a good point and now you call him scum again?
Not to mention your reason for him-scum is weak to begin with. He is pushing you as scum, so what? I did it too, didn't I? I don't see you scumreading me.

You gave a point and I said "fair point" It never changed my read on him but you gave a good point that makes him towny

[MariaR]

1)Meta
2) His day 2 end felt really really forced like he wanted to get interactions with Pere before they died
3) Reasons I can't say

[MariaR]

1 Isn't meta I played with him as town this doesn't feel like town xk would you like me to say it's a poe read because everyone else seems towny k sure lets go with that!
I'll argue whatever I want.

[MariaR]

Spoiler:

So, PV shows up, but doesn't claim? Even though he has a soft guilty on him?

VOTE: PeregrineV

Pretty sure that's L-1.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

What the hell is this?

Night2- Cakez visited me. So, would really like to hear them actually say guilty, or better yet, vig or JK or roleblocker.

This is interesting though.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2

Okay, this is likely going to need clarification. especially since we already had a flip doc and Mollie claim.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

why the withholding of names?

It doesn't provide anything to do with alignment except out a PR. I suspected doc until Ank died, but either way it does add positive info.

I suppose that's a fair point.

I assume you believe your N1 target to be town?

Lol wow.

You're already hammered.

Maria, are you really suggesting the auto-lynch of BBT if PV somehow flips town?

You can 100% look at a game you played with someone as town and make guesses on there play based off that it's not bs it's common sense person A is acting differently in this game than one they did before? That can ring a few bells people change there game sometimes but even if he did make that suggestion he hasn't done anything what so ever to earn a tr it's in the same slot as basic for me but worse

[MariaR]

People act differently from game to game, you said it yourself in a response to YAW. Therefore you know it and you're bullshiting me.

I know what I said and I understand the suspicion he put on me but it seems like that was the ENTIRE scumread on me I feel like you can't sr someone just solely on meta I'm not doing that It's part of the sr but it's not the major reason. In fact it's prob the weakest of the 3

[MariaR]

I already told you they seem rushed and forced like he wanted to get some interactions with Pere before he died.

[MariaR]

The last quote is a baseless question that holds no real value at all but just wants to seem like he's really doing something.

[MariaR]

how about we lynch Moi and if HE flips town you can lynch me

[MariaR]

So how am I scum if xk flips town when I don't want to lynch him yet

[MariaR]

I suggest it because it's my strongest read :3

[MariaR]

I think bussing your partner/partners would be really risky at this state of the game and wouldn't be worth it so I don't see how I can be scum with basic

[MariaR]

How exactly are you bussing Basic?

I put Basic in my reads of people I'd lynch and I can't really take that back or It would like quite sus
the people I'd lynch are Basic/xk/moi/kuro

[MariaR]

Do you think MoI and xk can't be a scum team?
Also my point still stands. I can't be scum with basic

[MariaR]

Goodluck trying!

[MariaR]

I lol'ed at how bad Maria counter point was.

Anyways what I'm looking at is more about interaction. Basic is hedging her reads.
The light scum read on MoI without pushing is classic scum behavior towards there scum buddy.

Do you think scum would still bus at this state? :c

[MariaR]

Bussing doesnt mean what you think it means

Bussing=Calling your scum buddy scum pushing on them going for there lynch etc

[MariaR]

Trust me I know what bussing is

[MariaR]

I lol'ed at how bad Maria counter point was.

Anyways what I'm looking at is more about interaction. Basic is hedging her reads.
The light scum read on MoI without pushing is classic scum behavior towards there scum buddy.

Do you think scum would still bus at this state? :c

If you were bussing let's say.
You'd vote basic today not in a few lunches down the road.

>.> fair enough almost makes me want to vote Basic just to prove a point.

[MariaR]

You vote Moi and next day I'll vote Basic take your pick ^_^

[MariaR]

Why aren't you taking the deal I agreed to vote Basic tomorrow for you!

[MariaR]

>.> fair enough

almost

makes me want to vote Basic just to prove a point.

[MariaR]

Don't put words in my mouth Wisdom!

[MariaR]

You clearly don't know what the definition of almost is

[MariaR]

Coming on my cpu give me a sec

[MariaR]

Ok back from V/LA –

First order of business was revising the MoiPuter outputs for the “Mod Oops” on not counting Wisdom’s Peregrine vote. The revised vote-count would knocks MOHIS from voting Peregrine and adds Wisdom. Also fun fact – when revising my number I didn’t list MOHIS in my tiers at all the first time. Seems like all the players supposedly scum-reading me would have noticed that and pointed that out. Maybe I missed them doing so in my phone reading this weekend but I doubt it.

In an event the new tiers (with a fifth Tier since the changes sits Scumbag Maria all by herself at the top of the heap with the worst voting profile in the game) –

Tier 1 – MariaR
Tier2 – Kuroi, Basic, MOHIS
Tier 3 – Wisdom, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 4 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 5 – BBT, Farside.

Again for those of you who can’t understand pure VCA Tiers – these are solely the results of crunching the stats in the MoIputer and don’t reflect my in thread reads.

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VOTE: MariaR

Still scum. I mean look at the following posts and tell me this comes from Town –

I'm prob chainsaw lynching xk and Moi regardless of flips

At the point she posted this myself and xkfyu are by far the most likely lynches to go through. And MariaR basically says “I’m voting here regardless of flips”. Which means someone else flips scum and she isn’t revising her mindset at all.

I mean, she could just be VI level bad Town but I try to not label people I’ve never played before with that label until they’ve proven in multiple games that the tag applies.

meh Mag doesn't have any reason to sr me so I blame him 100% if he flips town can't be my fault at all not at all

And this is absolutely a scum mind-set. Setting the stage for abdication of any responsibility with a Town me flip. And despite Farside and MariaR’s ranting that is exactly what would happen.

--

Finally all I will say on the “MoI is scum from single game meta” – laughable. I mean SnarkySnowman levels of terrible.

Have some other games to catch up as well. Back to muddle through the weekend’s spamfest and see if anything of import is hidden in Farside’s herp-a-derp posting.

I'm sure others feel the same way about chainsaw lynching a few people but don't have the guts to say it and I can
and that 2nd post you quoted I'm sure you just FORGOT that I said that was sarcasm in the post below right? You just forgot?

[MariaR]

Your vote log tier shit is stupid because no mafia would ever allow themself to even be i that tier you're not even trying to counter my facts I put against you and are just being stubborn and ignoring them @Moi

[MariaR]

What part of as scum I would of joined the Pere wagon do you not understand?

Probably the part where you did hop on and then hopped off immediately hoping his claim would save him, perhaps?

Why would I take that risk when 1) Pere was already a top lynch choice before Cake outted a report and 2 I never defended him about it I never said Pere is prob town! As scum I would either try to hardcore defend him or just get on the wagon not some shitty inbetween that's the worst outcome I could possibly do because as scum I can either defend myself with A) I was on the wagon also so can't be me! or B) Why would I hard defend my partner!
I can't do either of those now can I

If I'm scum I'm in a really bad spot clearly right? So taking risks would be really bad for me the only expense of a risk I can do is if I am townread by a town of people I'm very low on everyone's totem pole in fact the only people who tr is Farside I am no place to put more heat on myself as scum

[MariaR]

Xk confirm youll be shooting Maria please. Therell be no excuses tomorrow.

Right now, it's between Maria and Basic.

How about this;
You shoot Maria if Magna flips town
You shoot Basic if Magna flips scum

I can honestly be okay with this

[MariaR]

Answer me this Pere my scum buddy gets caught in a guilty claim and I am openly off the wagon why?

[MariaR]

Answer me this Pere my scum buddy gets caught in a guilty claim and I am openly off the wagon why?

This has been gone over to death.

Perhaps with a Ninja already flipped you thought his claim would save him. Until I caught his blown Safe-claim goof it looked like that might happen. Frankly I can't tell you why you did that.

Answer me this - why, if I am scum, do I lead the lynch on my Ninja partner and then blow up my Tracker partner's only chance at warding off the Guilty that was only 85% guilty?

The answer to the first part is simple that you do it to get cred and always have at as a defense to back yourself up on if you're confident in your skills it doesn't matter what role they are the 2nd part is laughable because 1) His claim wasn't going to save him and 2) You just called him out before anyone else could

If I wanted to save my partner I would of full blown call him town not some half assed play like a moron.

[MariaR]

Going over "saves" when it would almost get a cc is really stupid

[MariaR]

Do you think I called out my partners Tracker BS just as a question (I didn't think of it at first) but his claim would have been stupid because of the doctor death you prob knew that though

My town play isn't bad stop trying to belittle me asshole thanks
I haven't lost a scum game yet

[MariaR]

Also why would mafia even kill a 2 shot doctor if it was role cop that doesn't seem very useful with this many people

Anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about in regards to Pere's tracker thing

[MariaR]

wait so xk gets lynched then me OKAY

Town having a vig makes sense though?????

[MariaR]

Also why would mafia even kill a 2 shot doctor if it was role cop that doesn't seem very useful with this many people

huh, that's a good point too
Especially since one shot was used up N1 most likely

maybe instead of rolecop they tracked Ank to their target on N1 and assumed he was full doctor?

^^^^^^

[MariaR]

We tell xk who to shoot and if he doesn't he's scum lynch outside him

If Moi flips scum shoot basic
If he flips town shoot me
simple.

[MariaR]

Does cakez have a report that proves he's not town if so I'm all ears

[MariaR]

Spell it out for me

[MariaR]

UNVOTE: WHY CAN'T HE JUST SAY IT THEN WE KNOW HE'S A PR IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S GOTTA HIDE THIS

[MariaR]

I mean claim that he has a result

also *nuzzles fire*

[MariaR]

also *nuzzles fire*

You beat toothless in two games.
He isn't too happy.

Be town this game pls.

~~~~~Fire

Okay!

[MariaR]

VOTE: xk

[MariaR]

GAMBIT TIME BB

[MariaR]

That's hammer I think? yay!

[MariaR]

VOTE: Manga

[MariaR]

I'll lynch Basic if we can agree that you'll at least THINK about a manga lynch zzz

[MariaR]

Spoiler:

So, PV shows up, but doesn't claim? Even though he has a soft guilty on him?

VOTE: PeregrineV

Pretty sure that's L-1.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

What the hell is this?

Night2- Cakez visited me. So, would really like to hear them actually say guilty, or better yet, vig or JK or roleblocker.

This is interesting though.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2

Okay, this is likely going to need clarification. especially since we already had a flip doc and Mollie claim.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

why the withholding of names?

It doesn't provide anything to do with alignment except out a PR. I suspected doc until Ank died, but either way it does add positive info.

I suppose that's a fair point.

I assume you believe your N1 target to be town?

Lol wow.

You're already hammered.

Maria, are you really suggesting the auto-lynch of BBT if PV somehow flips town?

You can 100% look at a game you played with someone as town and make guesses on there play based off that it's not bs it's common sense person A is acting differently in this game than one they did before? That can ring a few bells people change there game sometimes but even if he did make that suggestion he hasn't done anything what so ever to earn a tr it's in the same slot as basic for me but worse

CALLED IT

[MariaR]

SK isn't a thing given no deaths night 1 unless you think it was something like

"bit zombie/sk can only start killing after night x or when there's only x mafia left"

[MariaR]

The wisdom kill is wifom. period
When you have people like Cake/BBT/DGB alive that kill is wifom and should be left alone

[MariaR]

Scum is in Basic/Manga/BBT/YAW

[MariaR]

nvm take out YAW looking at the day 1 vote counts I doubt he's scum seeing xk and hebi were on his BW

[MariaR]

I'm conf town Maria.

Stop being silly. If you continue to push it, I'll lynch you.

You're not even close to conf town smart one try to lynch me you won't get very far

[MariaR]

your claim was absolute trash and I don't understand it you weren't one of the major pushers on the Hebi wagon you weren't even close to a N1 target so the fact you didn't save it and used it on a LURKER none the less lmfao

[MariaR]

I can only assume I have been left alive as there is enough doubt about my claim to do so.

Should you push this, it would be you that left me alive in the hope you could throw enough shade my way.

Also, I have revealed more than one result

yes because as scum I would be like "Let's leave the person only I sr alive and maybe magically people will start to believe me!"
I want to hear every result you have now. Please

[MariaR]

Nah, I believe Magna also doubts my claim.

Do you understand where I'm coming from though?

[MariaR]

Basic buddy me harder please (no srsly I want a buddy)

@Pedit: Exactly

[MariaR]

BBT there's no point to you hiding your results now that you've outed that you have more

You don't have to answer this but if scum had a role that would avoid gunsmith would you be able to find them (like doctor or traitor or something)

[MariaR]

Yeah okay if Cakez confirms that and assuming BBT is odd night gunsmith the claim makes sense.
I thought you were just a 1 shot gunsmith who used it on night 1 now THAT I don't buy
THIS makes sense.

[MariaR]

I feel even better about my manga vote then.

[MariaR]

your claim was absolute trash and I don't understand it you weren't one of the major pushers on the Hebi wagon you weren't even close to a N1 target so the fact you didn't save it and used it on a LURKER none the less lmfao

lol?

You'd believe a 1 shot gs claim who used it N1 willingly in an 18 player game on a lurker when said gs wasn't even going to die?

[MariaR]

I feel even better about my manga vote then.

Then you have little understanding about how absurdly overpowered the currently dead scum roles are in comparison to the flipped Town roles even considering the claimed Town roles.

What are you trying to say you're a pr that balances out this "overpowered scum"

[MariaR]

BUT you felt YAW was sure scum D1.
And ive been scum since then I'm pretty sure.

Dwlee wasn't even in the voting bag compared to the time me and maria and magna crossed names in that hat.

Who are you addressing in this post?

[MariaR]

What are you trying to say you're a pr that balances out this "overpowered scum"

No. Dear god are you thick. I'm saying that given everything we know currently there is little reason to doubt that claim from BBT.

I doubted a 1 shot GS claim
I don't doubt an odd night GS claim.

[MariaR]

I'm sold Basic is town lynch Manga lets go chop chop I'm a sucker for ate

[MariaR]

I feel the urge to comment and yet I don't know what to say I think basic's not voting due to a question she wants Moi to answer

[MariaR]

I think they were leaving him alive to draw suspicion. He has been basically coasting the whole game.

Well that's just fing stupid -_-

[MariaR]

So why I think MariaR / Maverick is scum –

Maverick set off early game scumdar for 35. I asked him about this and he never answered but my issue with it is as follows –

Maxous made a real (even if early game) post ascribing scum intent to Iprobably’s play and voted him. Maverick says he likes that post which means if he is Town he thinks it is a reasonable scum-hunting effort. Maverick was RVS voting BBT for not liking his “footy team”.

Why does Maverick not move his vote from RVS shenanigans to an actual scum read (even if early game)? Doesn’t make a ton of sense but it is possible it was from Town.

What amplifies it, for me, is the fact that after I asked him about it at 247 he never responds. He has eight posts after that point and even at 806 acknowledge he has open question before immediately replacing out. The timing of the replace-out makes me think he felt pressure to justify his tunneling on Mollie (who we know was Town) and other questions and decided a replacement halo for his slot might be warranted.

There are several things about Maria’s replace in posting I find suspect also –

1003 and 1007 are altogether too “Hey, I’m so happy to be here and I can’t wait to prove why I’m not scum” AtE style for my tastes.

And the self-vote at 1022 is very suspect given she had a whopping two votes. That’s pulling the plug desperation AtE in the most basic form. If she ends up lynched she has left not trail to her partners. If it does work (and it did work) then she gets a pass for at least a Day or so. It’s completely at odds with her later “Oh, I never said I was in a bad spot” made at 1065. If she didn’t think she was in a bad spot why the self-vote?

1125 – what is the purpose of this post other than to say “I’m going to look scummy but you can’t suspect me it’s how I play”?

I also want to bring attention to the following post she made early Day 2 –

I just did and

that's a fair enough and logical reason to sr my slot no problems I just got to fight harder to get it off

the reason why I made that statement is I like saying my emotions on a plate I do it as either alignment but from what I hear a lot of people dislike fluff and LAMIST posts so I can't help it

I’ve bolded the important point – she directly says that I have a fair and logical reason to scum-read her for Maverick’s play.

Fast forward to this later –

Yoy have no reason to scumread me and until you say why I will assume you're just saying bs after bs

How easily she forgets that she already has said I had a valid reason to scum-read her for Maverick’s play. Now this was in response to my VCA but the point still stands – she only goes on the attack against me after Farside has made it clear she has an ally in suspecting me. When she replaced in? All “Hey, you are reasonable and I’ll work hard to make you change your mind buddy”. This turn is much more likely to come from scum than Town IMO.

Next we have this –

Also why would mafia even kill a 2 shot doctor if it was role cop that doesn't seem very useful with this many people

This is a prime example what looks to me like leveraging of inside knowledge to appear more Town. She as scum knows that Peregrine got a track on Ank that prevented their kill. So when there was “RoleCop” speculation she steps right up and makes this post. Note – she’s the one who spurs Wisdom to consider a Tracker. Given we see later posts where she shows that she has very shallow understanding of balance this looks very much like “information leakage” on her part.

The one you should be looking at in this list is Kuro and Basic

Trying to deflect my suspicion of her for how Peregrine treated her slot re:scum reading them by saying “Kuroi (Town) and Basic (makes less sense as a partner to Hebi / Pere / Xk) are where you should look for scum”.

This is laid out as clearly and susinctly as possible. I have gone into plenty of other reason already – her voting patterns are by far the worst in the game and generally her OMGUS attitude towards people suspecting her combined with her multiple buddying attempts (farside, MOHIS) looks like scum.

You say my slot has barely to no interaction with hebi and that's right because my slot on day 1 had oh I don't know 15 FUCKING POSTS
Yeah I am happy to be here because this was my first theme game and I didn't even know they were a thing and I saw the walking dead and I was like "WHOA COOL!" I like coming into a game with a challenge because coming into the game as a heavy tr or IC or something along those lines is really really boring it's not fun what so ever
The self vote you are talking about because you're clearly skimming and not reading my iso or you're leaving out key facts on purpose (most likely the ladder) I said the self vote was SACRACISTIC it wasn't a type of ate it was a SACRASTIC SELF VOTE
Fluff/LAMIST posts are NAI not scummy I just wanted to make that statement cause I like to make those posts as just a heads up and I see no harm in that
I forgot about a statement I made DAYS AGO SHAME ON ME HANG ME AT THE STAKE
No anyone with common sense can see that it's a 2 shot fking doctor in a 18p set up who most likely used the shot n1 given no night kills so why the fuck would mafia kill a 1 shot doctor is my question because I assumed it was role cop the fact it's tracker makes sense anyone can come to the same dam answer I can and you're just trying to turn it around
I don't care if you think I was trying to deflect anything I wanted to look at the 2 most scummy reads on that list

[MariaR]

Does my dig up and forced interactions betweeen xk/Pere mean nothing to any of you and the fact xk tried to start a BLIZ LYNCH ON MY ASS

[MariaR]

Pere prob put me in his scum reads because I wasn't that big town read when he made that list so he just wanted a valid reason to vote me

[MariaR]

MoI was the counter wagon at the time and xk was prob trying to save his buddy by flash lynching me the fact you cant' see this is painful

[MariaR]

Quick phone post with two things I think are are cogent to this page.

1. Everyone should pull up MariaR's ISO and read what she claims are interactions to judge for themselves if they look like Town actually scum-hunting regarding all Pere and Xk. I'd say the same for Hebi but her slot had zero interactions with that lynched scum.

2. Look at her latest string of spam. Maria is absolutely losing her mind of two measly votes. I'm at L-2 and content that if I get lynched today I still have a solid chance to win by leaving my thoughts and scum-hunting for others to review. She is in a froth as if her being lynched dooms her team's chances of victory. Ruminate on that for a bit.

I hate being sr by anyone ask anyone who plays with me I will hate being sr that I want to get rid of it's a nice challenge but I still hate it so yeah a bit losing my mind that you still somehow scumread me but oh well!

[MariaR]

What part of I unvoting so Pere could claim do you not understand? The fact I am even in people's scum pool shocks me somewhat when I pointed out really obv forced interactions between xk/pere I can't really say "I wouldn't NK wisdom" cause that's wifom (I wouldn't let 3 people who could be clear alive that's for sure)
I don't understand the sr's on me given the xk flip I thought that'd clear me so fast given that xk tried to join a speed bw fast lynch on me the day before

[MariaR]

Lynch Manga and then you can lynch me right after if he flips town I will not resist what so ever

[MariaR]

Like I feel my reads have been pretty dang good this game I've had both scum nailed (xk more then Pere) I'd like to think my logic was sound and everyone understood where I was coming from I feel like I can't really defend myself anymore because every point on me I feel like I've disproved it's just tiring now.

[MariaR]

Lynch Manga and then you can lynch me right after if he flips town I will not resist what so ever

no

What's your next suggestion?

Ignoring you.

[MariaR]

I'm pissed off that the people who should be doing the MOST and helping the most in this game (clear's like BBT and DGB) are doing the LEAST and just coasting by doing nothing to help at ALL it SUCKS (cakez is doing good though ty cakez)

[MariaR]

If MoI is town srsly he's one of the worst I've seen

[MariaR]

What do you think of dgb 180 degree turn on you this game day moi?

I think given that BBT's claim the odds of DGB being scum are small and she's not getting lynched until 3 person LYLO anyway so your question is pretty pointless.

Especially since you stand a stronger chance of being scum than her for three solid days of tunneling on two Town (Kuroi and I ).while throwing shade at players who played a bigger role in lynching Hebi than you did.

Let's assume we're both town.
Who do you think scum would be.

[MariaR]

Yawn. At least I didn't rely on a single game of meta as reasonable.

Let's see what Maria flips before you toot your own horn there.

[MariaR]

To repeat lynch Maria, farside, Basic and Mohis and game probably is won for Town.

If you're town I'm sorry will you say sorry if I'm town? :3

[MariaR]

VOTE: Basic

What's your report BBT?

[MariaR]

I had basic as town because of the ate out burst and I'm a sucker for it I didn't expect Moi to flip town (well kinda did after he was lynched with his out burst)

I guess I need to rethink my farside tr mostly because I had her as town because everyone else did

It's unlikely for YAW to be scum with how the Day 1 bw went right?

DW/DGB are "clear" and we got BBT

So scum in (farside MOHIS Basic)

[MariaR]

Nope.

Checked You, Dwlee and Farside. All clears.

Scum gunsmith is funny though.

I'm confused why you didn't check me I thought I was one of your top sr's did farside become summier to you or did I become townier

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

I hate this so much

[MariaR]

Nope.

Checked You, Dwlee and Farside. All clears.

Scum gunsmith is funny though.

I'm confused why you didn't check me I thought I was one of your top sr's did farside become summier to you or did I become townier

I don't doubt your claim I am just extremely curious

[MariaR]

(insert wifom claim of why would I leave BBT alive here)

[MariaR]

VOTE: MOHIS

You see the thing that makes me really iffy about YAW/MOHIS is Yaw was one of the counter wagons to hebi (that's mostly it)
And MOHIS was one of the hard bw's on hebi from what I can get.
Thoughts?

[MariaR]

Also would it be dumb to ask for anymore pr's to claim at this point or?

[MariaR]

My thinking atm is if scum do have something to avoid gs we should have like 2 or 3 pr's left because otherwise this set up is scum sided af

[MariaR]

I remember for me it was a post along the lines "The Hebi lynch makes me clear town wtf are you doing"
and I was like...o okay

[MariaR]

VOTE: MOHIS more when I get up

[MariaR]

I still strongly think it's a good idea for any pr's left to claim because I feel like for there to be scum in gs claim we should have a few more pr's otherwise it's really scum sided.
uhhh I could be a pr I don't really know.

[MariaR]

I still strongly think it's a good idea for any pr's left to claim because I feel like for there to be scum in gs claim we should have a few more pr's otherwise it's really scum sided.
uhhh I could be a pr I don't really know.

This post is bad.

Who is scum and why?

What's bad about my post?

[MariaR]

Like I am pretty sure it's not Maria. She is just bad town.

I've tricked you 2 times before what makes you think I'm town this game.

[MariaR]

I'm going to be V/LA tomorrow until Monday

[MariaR]

I still strongly think it's a good idea for any pr's left to claim because I feel like for there to be scum in gs claim we should have a few more pr's otherwise it's really scum sided.
uhhh I could be a pr I don't really know.

This post is bad.

Who is scum and why?

What's bad about my post?

Because your first thought is there is scum in the gs claim.
And it comes across like you might make a fake claim.

So back to my question.
Who is scum and why.

Why can't there be scum in gs claims you act like that's forbinnden and it's not a fake claim I just don't know how you guys treat my role compared to the site I play on.

Idk who scum is why do you think I haven't been pushing many people! Would it help if I said I don't think it's YAW or BBT cause that's the best I can give you!

all I know is I'm voting in non gs clears today

[MariaR]

VOTE: Basic ]/v]

I'm pretty sure Fire's town because of the sub stuff ughhh fk

[MariaR]

VOTE: Basic

[MariaR]

So the fact I outted xk's scummy bs and the fact XK wanted to do a flash wagon on me to save his ass means nothing to you guys?

Okay I'll be over here I don't know scum anyway so la la la

[MariaR]

The best I can do is sheep and town tell at this point because I'm very stuck and praying for the best.

[MariaR]

Fire if Basic is Town do you still think scum is in non gs clears

(Me you YAW)

or do you think scum have a clear in them

[MariaR]

Is...that....POKEMON!

*Tackle hugs Fire* You're so cute!

um... *ahem*

Yeah more votes Basic.

[MariaR]

Fire the thing that worries me about you is you're just so fine with saying "Yeah Maria is town" When I fooled you twice already shouldn't you be more worried?

[MariaR]

Fire the thing that worries me about you is you're just so fine with saying "Yeah Maria is town" When I fooled you twice already shouldn't you be more worried?

Probably, but I don't let people see me sweat.
Also your continuing worrying about it and mentioning it kind of alleviates me of doubt.

But I swear to god if you are scum this game I am vote parking you and tunneling you forever.
Your adorableness wont save you from a angry growlithe or toothless.

Eep! Okay free belly rubs for you then

How many Pr's do you think are left.

[MariaR]

Lets see 4 PRs dead.
BBT all but confirmed role equals 5.
Scum have had 3 PRs.
I would say depending on if last scum is doctor we could have either 2-3 more PRs?
3 PRs if last scum is doctor (in the gr clears)
2 if not doctor or possible even if doctor

Seems plausible.

See this is why I think the rest of the pr's should claim because it's easy to see if scum are in non gs claims regarding the amount of pr's left

Of course scum can fake claim but hey *shrug*

[MariaR]

When is the deadline? If it's soon I think nling could be a could thing so we can go to 3 way instead of 4 way and do a mass claim tomorrow.

[MariaR]

Fire me and you are making a mason duo and you're not leaving my town side got it?

*grabs a pokeball*

[MariaR]

Only on Fridays!

[MariaR]

why on fridays?

Friday is dream day~

[MariaR]

Mass claim? eh ehhh

I think yes.

[MariaR]

I guess scum trying to flash wagon me doesn't make me obv town!

Yawn

Fire is town btw

[MariaR]

If there is scum in GS clears I'm very sure it's farside.

[MariaR]

Maybe DGB but would scum be as lazy as DGB I'd be trying more because you can't just coast you'd have to explain yourself

YAW is kinda just town because of day1 BW and isn't doing ****

But scum in (Farside DGB Basic)

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

Didn't know I was voting

yeah I thought I was clear for half the game because on my site we have a role that's like neighbors but it's only for town so I thought I could just kinda claim it and be clear...whoops

[MariaR]

You're a neighbourizer Maria?

No it's just me and DGB

[MariaR]

If you want to know the role I'm talking about it's right here

https://epicmafia.com/role/347

[MariaR]

Yes! sure have

[MariaR]

When I subbed in I just got added to the neighborhood *shrug*

I think both of us could be town though it's why I've not wanted to vote DGB

[MariaR]

Maybe it was masons but set up spec thought that'd be a bit op?

idk I just don't see it

[MariaR]

Yes

[MariaR]

I thought I was a clear so just outting that I was clear didn't sound like a good idea to me and when I found out I wasn't clear I just didn't see the need to bring it up.

[MariaR]

mariar, stop rolling your eyes at me, its rude.

And you think I should care what you think why?

[MariaR]

VOTE: Basic

I'm pretty sure a Basic/Farside lynch gives us a win

Fire DGB BBT and YAW are town for reasons stated already

that leaves farside Basic and Dw (lol @ dw scum)

[MariaR]

Hmmmmmmmm

Are you thinking it over or are you uneasy? Talk to me puppy thing.

[MariaR]

Basic only one who defended me.

Do you think it was towny or is it more so you feel bad?
Because the simple answer is you can do it for towncred.

To be quite honest I only slightly think it's basic over farside but I honestly don't see any other people it could be do you?

[MariaR]

I mean could be just buddying up to me, but I don't know.
Why can't it be YAW again?

On the day 1 hebi there were 3 wagons:

Hebi
Sir cake
YAW

2 scum were on the YAW wagon if I'm not mistaken

[MariaR]

*Shrug* I pref basic but I'll honestly vote farside if she get's to L-1 I'm gonna leave my vote on Basic for the time being but count my vote on farside also if that makes sense.

[MariaR]

Now that I think on it in the back of my head I always found how farside grouped me and Mollie together as a mason group/town block weird but not like scummy...meh

vote count please

[MariaR]

*grabs pokeball again*
Oh shut it pup you know you love me besides you haven't voted me once

On the bright side when we lynch scum we can finally have a win together...but winning is normal to me anyway

[MariaR]

We tell xk who to shoot and if he doesn't he's scum lynch outside him

If Moi flips scum shoot basic
If he flips town shoot me
simple.

We tell xk who to shoot and if he doesn't he's scum lynch outside him

If Moi flips scum shoot basic
If he flips town shoot me
simple.

I'm fine with this.

This pings odd to me when Farside was townreading me and was just "Okay" with this happening

[MariaR]

Fire isn't scum farside if your town you're making this worse.

[MariaR]

*holds fire* shut it puppy your loudness is annoying me don't think I'm holding you cause I care or anything.

Let's just lynch farside and Basic.

[MariaR]

What part of-ugh whatever.

[MariaR]

Is take out an option?
Cause chinese or Pizza sound good rn

[MariaR]

There's always Ramen and Pasta!

[MariaR]

VOTE: Farside

L-1

[MariaR]

I strongly think it's basic over farside but I can always lynch Basic tomorrow,

[MariaR]

I'm keeping my vote on farside unless basic gets to L-1

[MariaR]

I don't agree to lynch fire I do agree to lynch Basic.

[MariaR]

uhhhhh hm

I don't really have one to be quite honest but if I had to pick Dw?

[MariaR]

most versions of traitor I know (except in Stack the Deck which is weird) are endgamed if they're the last scum alive.

should I just hammer it doesn't seem like anything else is happening

-smart

I think we both agree with the same 2 lyches just in a dif order so I'd hammer yeah

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
Oh boy this got a lot more interesting!
I'll give you time to catch up and maybe you can join my mason group eh shadow?

[MariaR]

It's more so out of everyone I think it's come down to farside and Basic not so much as scumreading farside herself

[MariaR]

Yeah, not lynching farside or Maria today.
Makes no sense for both these as scum to kill Wisdom over Cakez.

@BBT can you summarize you results and why you checked those people?

Zombie doctor would be too scum sided.
I'm okay with lynching DGB today.

VOTE: DGB

Er...friend if zombie doctor is too scumsided DGB is clear to you.

[MariaR]

Well apparently DGB could be zombie neighbor traitor that just got power to kill

What a role.

[MariaR]

So BBT has cleared DGB?

What about yaw?

BTT has cleared You DGB and Farside.

The rest are not clear but 2 mafia were voting YAW when he was the counter wagon to hebi (ninja) so I doubt he's scum.
How about a basic lynch?

[MariaR]

VOTE: Basic

[MariaR]

DGB being scum makes the game too scum sided why can't anyone see this?

[MariaR]

So your saying mafia Doctor 1 shot strong man ninja and tracker vs a even night vig odd night gs 1 shot watcher and 2 shot doctor

is balanced?

[MariaR]

DGB being scum makes the game too scum sided why can't anyone see this?

Why am I scum with a clear on me then?

Touche.
It's why you could oh idk...LYNCH....BASIC

[MariaR]

Live stubborn die stubborn I guess.
I like it~

[MariaR]

Maria, what is this neighborhood thing? You had access to to this neighborhood since the start of the game?

I mean the person before me talked in it at the start so yeah I assume it was since the start of the game.

[MariaR]

Yeah just us!

[MariaR]

BUT IT'S SO SCUM SIDED IF DGB IS-...UGHHH

why can't basic just be lynched
I don't thing DGB is scum but I'm not forcing nl.

[MariaR]

Don't you think that's still scum sided with the amount of pr's town have?

[MariaR]

If this is wrong I'm gonna be mad at you

Although if you're mafia I'll slap you.

VOTE: DGB
here goes nothing

[MariaR]

Lol bbt cleared me remember

Mother clucker you DGB was cleared also and look who were voting.

[MariaR]

I think DGB is town because I feel like it's to scumsided if she is mafia
plus neighbors and I can't really talk about what happens in them.

You should always feel paranoid around me I haven't lost yet as scum remember!

[MariaR]

Better then being a VT I guess.

[MariaR]

Ugh I might just hammer to progress this game.

^

[MariaR]

If the game is over I'll slap myself

[MariaR]

I FING CALLED ITTTTTTTTT

[MariaR]

I think it us between maria and basic.

Oh don't you dare start with me hedgehog

[MariaR]

VOTE: Basic

CAN WE LYNCH THIS YET LIKE I WAS BEGGING THE WHOLE DAY BEFORE

[MariaR]

Fire's Town I'm Town Shadow is Town that's all I need.

[MariaR]

Scum fire doesn't stoop low enough to threaten a sub out.

[MariaR]

Scum fire doesn't stoop low enough to threaten a sub out.

He doesn't do that as town as far as I've seen.

It's MUCH more likely to come from town fire then scum fire

[MariaR]

Scum fire doesn't stoop low enough to threaten a sub out.

That moment you realize that someone townreads you because you do asshole things like me.....

Also how would you know Maria? You never played with scum fire.
Scum fire might stoop that low.

That's not the only reason I townread you asshole I like your town aswell when we had a mini talk and your answers to my questions

and stfu I know you wouldn't you're not a jerk.

[MariaR]

Also townfire is totally a jerk.
Scum fire can be a sweetheart

ARE YOU ASKING ME TO SR YOU

[MariaR]

Maria should I vote basic?

You better.

[MariaR]

Will I get a rare candy if I do?

You won't get shoved back in your pokeball...

[MariaR]

This game should have been over the day before but people can't vote scum and have to vote DGB for some fking reason!

[MariaR]

its okay maria, growlithe is here to give you smiles.

*hug*

[MariaR]

HAMMER IT
DO IT

[MariaR]

I'll hate you if I'm wrong.

wth why meeee

[MariaR]

Because you are responsible for all our problems!
Like I am out of milk right now and this is your fault Maria!

welp ;-;

[MariaR]

I prob should have asked that question myself but I'm not worried cause I'm 80% sure this game is over.

[MariaR]

If YAW is scum i'ma just shoot myself in the face

[MariaR]

It feels like it can only be Basic.

[MariaR]

Pagetop *does glappy dance*

I think its Maria.
2 town neighbours doesn't make sense.

Get use to it

[MariaR]

Why does 2 town neighbours not make sense??????

if it's not basic I will take this loss mark my words

[MariaR]

Firebringer (1) - Firebringer

Good, I thought i was being subtle with my vote there for a minute

get your ass back on Basic or so help me

[MariaR]

FIRE GET IN HERE RIGHT NOW

[MariaR]

lmfaoooo I don't know who it is FK

[MariaR]

Well we lose then Fire and I know i'm getting lynched but let me make a case before you do

[MariaR]

Why does so much of this read fake.

you're not the one getting lynched if this is wrong tomorrow shhhh