Shadowrun Mafia - Game Over

[Titus]

He was killed by traitor I think

Yes.

[Titus]

OH WHAT A SURPRISE SOOPER AND MATH WERE SCUM

My bad PV. I was starting to rethink my read on you at the end, should have done it earlier.

Aside from salt, I enjoyed the game.
The prison mechanic was ridiculously pro-scum, that's the only thing I would have changed. The modkill wasn't the mod's fault.
Thanks for modding Titusoon

It was proscum. Agreed. So was revive a town. I really hoped that ability would be seen as cool, along with the talk to the dead mechanics.

The dead largely spoiled though and didn't send messages to Worldz and when Worldz got his hood with Koggz, lot of lurking.

[Titus]

yes, i didn't receive any dead messages, to the point i thought it was an activated ability i had to choose and not a passive one.
i spoke to koggz in the hood briefly, but she didn't have anything to say.

It was, just not by you.

Overall, I am frustrated. I thought with all the powers town had that town wouldn't be doing this and getting claims.

The adventure cop didn't use their ability either.

[Titus]

Like as much as you guys complained I was stuck without my buddies alone. :/ This game was pretty freaking hard.

Hard because you had no allies but town motivation and info was extremely low.

I would have added more scum and removed the jail mechanic

More than 4 scum in 17p. No. Just no.

[Titus]

The prison mechanic was insanely brutal for me too because I had to keep up contradictory worlds none of which made no sense. Mafia needs flips. As much as you hated it I did too.

Like I also seriously thought your ability would have been stopped my by Jailkeep ABR. I thought it was block boost . If boost not blocked rewrite initiative.

It would not.

Going to the top of NAR means it resolves before all blocks. The rules of NAR means you sort actions that effect others first. ABR's role resolves before that.

[Titus]

The prison mechanic was insanely brutal for me too because I had to keep up contradictory worlds none of which made no sense. Mafia needs flips. As much as you hated it I did too.

Like I also seriously thought your ability would have been stopped my by Jailkeep ABR. I thought it was block boost . If boost not blocked rewrite initiative.

Makes sense. I couldnt conceive you coming at me that hard thinking I wouldnt just vig you. You got lucky you misunderstood the game mechanics lol

Math had a one shot BP though.

[Titus]

Constructive feedback: i think this game could be balanced w less town prs and scum dont have kills only sabotage

Town had Agent, Doc, Backup Doc, a way around Jailkeep, a one shot cop, masonizer, a PT that scum can't read unless they keep someone alive. Infinite kills

Scum had alien voyeur Inheritor and an extra kill.

Town was insane with power.

No

You had, one shot BP, rolecop+jailor
Alien voyeur and one shot all message intercept
Amnesiac (that could not take House's role) + 1 shot janitor

[Titus]

Why did missio leader default to mathblade lol that was some.bs

If the mission leader is removed, the new leader is the first name sent in the PM.

[Titus]

As for the mission leaders themselves, scum selected them with rules. Town could find this out on adventures.

[Titus]

Titus you have to run mass effect mafia 2 now

Mathblade and I will design that hopefully.

She has some cool ideas, and I have experience.

I need a cool down.

I am also waiting on the list mods to see if we can host together if I get another given Math cannot qualify to host a large.

[Titus]

What happened w karnos cop reveal?

Adventure reward. JaeReed set it to trigger at one minute before deadline.

Deadline was 1 AM.

JaeReed was also Loud by drugs so their name was attached.

[Titus]

The idea was to create tension where both sides felt in a war with severe consequences.

I don't think a revive mechanic can work though and be fair. I really liked Varsoon's attempt at revival in SU but felt it was unfair because scum had no clue.

[Titus]

Yup. It was brutal. I know you think I had it easy FA but I had like a screaming post of bastard in the Mafia PT and it got hard to post after that. Sooper kept me going.

Oh and Titus messed up about the gun. She didn't tell me it had scum NK requirements :/ That was genuine.

You could only kill in meatspace with your gun.

All kills had the same requirements. So did the docs.

[Titus]

Thanks again for modding titus, I guess I am kicked out of mass effect 2?

Of course not. I just didn't think you wanted to.

[Titus]

Thanks again for modding titus, I guess I am kicked out of mass effect 2?

Of course not. I just didn't think you wanted to.

No but really, I want to be a player in ME2, so do kick me out

Remember to pm when the pre-ins start. I like written records

[Titus]

Thats the fucking reason we lost the whole utility

everything was centered on that role ...

Nah, that role was kinda weak. It vanillaized and hid the flip.

You were right that town needed to identify each other and at the end of night 1, I thought scum would coast.

Yet, the refusal to lynch mod confirmed scum is pretty wtf.

[Titus]

I meant town would coast.

[Titus]

abr had his nar improviser ability yet after house masonize?!

House died, no yeah he did.

[Titus]

best move town made in this game was jae forcing mathblade to speak with an infuriating restriction. i read that part and i was rolling haha

It was pretty funny

Yeah.

@Frozen, that is correct.

House died before recruiting ABR. So ABR has his action.
If ABR died, House would have gotten a failure.

[Titus]

best move town made in this game was jae forcing mathblade to speak with an infuriating restriction. i read that part and i was rolling haha

<3 It was probably a little too hard, but since Math was scum I REGRET NOTHING.

It was trolly.

I was hoping it would act like a night action leash.

[Titus]

Ok, I am done talking to you Frozen. I told you how things worked. I understand you are upset. I understand you were not thrilled with me. But when you're insulting me, this is not a productive conversation.

[Titus]

best move town made in this game was jae forcing mathblade to speak with an infuriating restriction. i read that part and i was rolling haha

<3 It was probably a little too hard, but since Math was scum I REGRET NOTHING.

It was trolly.

I was hoping it would act like a night action leash.

How could it have been a leash?

I'm really curious as to whether Math really wanted that ring I'm not sure whether it would have been useful for them as scum.

You could say, accept the ring you must do night action X.

[Titus]

So who wants cheeseburgers?

[Titus]

house tried to masonize abr house died

the masonize y=should have gone through if it wasn;t counted as a recruit action

this Cost me my mathblade/abr reads

To the extent you were confused, I apologize.

[Titus]

Yeah, individual players lack of motivation/sense of difficulty for themselves has nothing to do with balance.

With that said, I have no thougts on the games balance actually, other than believing the flips should have come after *1* escape, not 2. The game was fundamentally a no flip on lynch game because it's not large enough for both escape effects to happen, and one of requires (d) that town deliberately mislynch ro get the flips.

Play wise that was almost certainly optimal yesterday, and shooting ANYONE was a really bad idea. Town should have lynched JaeReed amd selected the escape mission. JaeReed plans to escape that night, so 50% chance of getting that town slot back, while town revives anyone, and ABR doesn't shoot.

Town gets one more day, and all the flips.

Of abr does still shoot, 50% chance town is still okay even if he shoots town and th e prison break revives scum.

-Cerb

I agree with this, and I thought I was clear about that in sign ups. I apologize if it was not.

I don't think I will use the prison mechanic again. Too much hatred.

[Titus]

I don't accept that appology titus

I mean I really have no problem if it was just an unfair setup

this is just over my head

You ruined my fucking game

I am sorry. Not much I can do if you feel that I wasted your life Frozen, but I don't feel this is productive. I hope you had fun with this though.

[Titus]

Frozen if anyone has a right to report it is us.

There we mistakes. Blatant ones IMHO.

However I took a chill pill and decided not to. Please step away and think about what you are saying here.

It's her right.

[Titus]

Frozen if anyone has a right to report it is us.

There we mistakes. Blatant ones IMHO.

However I took a chill pill and decided not to. Please step away and think about what you are saying here.

I don't really care about the moderrors they did for you or not

They lied about how they resolved an action in a not bastard game

I want answers and IU really don't care about anything else.

If you felt lied to, I get the action. I don't lie to players though. So that's why this is going nowhere. Please take this to PMs.

[Titus]

Like the prison could be pro town move to use on players you are unsure of but don't want to flip yet.
Or would that swing balance too much for town?

i don't feel this is a far comment to answer at the moment.

[Titus]

Titus definitely needs to take a step away but she was consistent in her answer to me and you FA.

The main issues I have is giving town an extra day when we earned our Mislynch and not finding actions.

If anything game should have continued because I specifically asked if my Jailkeep stopped ABR and Titus said yes she didn't say unless he used it on himself. I fucking asked. It shouldn't matter who the recipient is.

It does. You just asked if you could jailkeep a slot and prevent its action, which is yes.

ABR's action makes him immune to yours, thus beating you in NAR.

[Titus]

Like the prison could be pro town move to use on players you are unsure of but don't want to flip yet.
Or would that swing balance too much for town?

i don't feel this is a far comment to answer at the moment.

I was talking about keeping lunches and prison separate but I am pretty sure that swings balance huge so nvm

Correct. I would be glad to talk more on this later.

[Titus]

Not sure if this is the right time to ask, but will we get released the night actions and messages and such? Also the messages that would have been sent last night?

I will release those later. I am hot tired exhausted and just ugh at the moment.

All the messages would have been sent would have been.

[Titus]

Frozen, I asked you to take this privately. You've reported me.

[Titus]

Good luck FA. I will in to replace.

Btw, I am thrilled with the in game conduct.

I also don't mind advertisements for new games since this one is over.

[Titus]

Notice
While adventures are fun, the game is designed to where winning or losing adventures should be helpful to each side but not mandatory.

also this is not correct. and it is in opening post

They're not mandatory.

The party leaders elected to go. Not forced.

whitout the prison break the game was a no reveal forever. How is that not mandatory for winning. I mean ok yes you might argue we could won without any adventures but I disagree

and that loop might continue forever

If you lost prison break, everyone would have flipped.

[Titus]

If you lost prison break, everyone would have flipped.

so if would remove it everyone would flip as well?

I wonder why no one listen to my theories ...

If you elected to fail, they all would have died. Yes.

The leader had a tiebreaker.

Most rewards, the leader just picked but this reward would be broken if just leader because that gives scum an automatic revive power.

[Titus]

Oh and yes,

The shop was fetch quest.

Another Jae ring, drugs, a universal bodyguard and cellphone I think were inside.

The shop was gated to prevent the town bully problem.

[Titus]

no I mean if d&d woud remove this during day 3 - we would see all flips wouldn't we?

So if DnD permanently locked the prison mission, it would flip everything yes.

[Titus]

They had a temporary lock as well. That was a counter to obvscum leader trying to deliberately pick a powerful mission. They could lock one mission each day.

[Titus]

I'm so fucking useless

No. The game was designed to feel rushed with limited information for both sides. That's why scum didn't know the rewards, and had no way of finding out.

[Titus]

town knew the rewards?!

the rewards was hidden from all. how is that an information mafia needs to win

The town had a reward cop.

Also, yes if scum knew which rewards were what, they would plan differently, Math was scrambling not to have them or Inspector copped and wound up on The traitor. That doesn't happen if Math is aware of what is coming.

[Titus]

can you tell me exactly what was the "limited"termed used for scum team in this game?

traitor?!

No knowledge of rewards, best play was to only selectively claim, but they didn't know that, they figured out a chunk of town power through night messaging.

[Titus]

Can I be the guy you're grabbing, trying to hug you and failing?