Designer Mafia II: Game Over!

silgado106 · Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:05 am

umm killer doc... uh oh

randome vote: Lord Gurgi

silgado106 · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:03 pm

is that random DS?

silgado106 · Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:37 am

umm... it might be DS has limited posting?.... if not then, it wouldn't hurt for him to answer us

silgado106 · Post Post #44 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:37 am

Gaspode wrote:
Flying Dutchman wrote:
"Now you [need a doc]! Wait, never mind, the wound is mortal......"
Anyone else very worried by this? It looks like we may have a doc-proof killer out there.

Well considering that this doc-proof killer killed a member of the mafia, maybe he either knows each role out there, which I find very unlikely, or he/she got very lucky on their first Night! But then, who would use the ability to kill mafia on night 1 without knowing anything about anyone??

silgado106 · Post Post #66 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:14 am

Lord Gurgi wrote:I think those who re flinging questions and suspicion every which way should be the ones we lynch

Umm, aren't you sort of doing that Lord Gurgi? And at the moment you said it, I don't remember anyone in particular that was just flinging around questions, I only remember a couple of people asking DS if his vote was random, that's all.
My random vote stays as a little bit less random on him, because I would like to hear just why he's "flinging" suspicions every which way... And also are your excessive posts part of

your

role? I'm just wondering about that one...

silgado106 · Post Post #76 (isolation #5) » Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:29 pm

I think it might be one of two reasons why Lord Gurgi is acting like that. Either he's pretty new (like me) and is excited about being in his first games and wants to find mafia quick and easy OR he's new

and

mafia and is showing it by wanting to lynch people fast. I don't know, something like that... that's what I get anyways, because well that's how I also act/acted during my first games. I am still keeping by vote on him though, as a just in case I guess...

silgado106 · Post Post #90 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:01 am

Well I read through Lord Gurgi's first game, and I do have to say he does seem to be playing differently in this one. It might be under different circumstances, like maybe in the other he was busy in RL while this time around he's not, but in the last game he didn't even post half as much as he has posted already, this time around his voting has definately increased, and right now he seems a bit more defensive than he did in the other one.
I still see a lot of the things I would normaly do, as a newbie, so I think it might just be that, he's new. So I'm going to

Unvote: Lord Gurgi

for now and bring it down to a

FOS: Lord Gurgi

Also....

Lord Gurgi wrote:There's something biting at me... I'm not sure what though so i'll let you guys know if i figure it out.

You never quite told us anything else on that LG

silgado106 · Post Post #98 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:10 pm

But Nanook hasn't really posted, so we shall just wait for him

silgado106 · Post Post #100 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:57 pm

can we have a vote count? I'm getting a bit confused as of now haha

silgado106 · Post Post #105 (isolation #9) » Sun Jul 04, 2004 6:46 am

BlueSin wrote:silgado106,
what do u confused about?

Exactly what Gaspode is talking about. Well first of all the voting and unvoting was getting confusing without a vote count, that's why I requested one. And also the constant posting of random thoughts was a bit overwhelming as well. I know I haven't really posted a good, organized post with relevant info, but I do plan to as soon as I get some suspicions on people. But for now I think I'll like to see the vote count first

silgado106 · Post Post #126 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:29 pm

I personally think that the first person to accept the possibility of cults just had an open mind, just as all of us should have in a game like this. I do though agree with DS and I would just like to go on...

silgado106 · Post Post #139 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:05 am

well I think I believe LG, it sounds pretty believable to me, but then again I am a very gullible person.
But now then, what has happened to Scott Morgan??
Has he been prodded yet?

silgado106 · Post Post #142 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:44 am

I just reread the thread, and unfortunately I didn't gather much at all. The whole Scott Morgan vote from DS took a big part of the day, and nothing really came out of that. Also a question that was imposed by Gaspode in post 39 was how did TSS know that there's only 2 other mafia left, well the Mafia Choice Changer, Otaku, role said that he was mafia with two more, that is why TSS said there was only two mafia left. I am answering this now because no one else ever touched upon that, and I think it's important to know that there's only two mafia left on the group that Otaku was part of. Now the part we don't know is whether there's other evil groups out there of course.

Also another unaswered thing was in post 56 LG said there was something biting at him (I am guessing he meant he had some suspicious about someone or something) he never elaborated on that either.

And now it seems we have some info on two roles, the Master Spy (LG does it have any connection with the spy already dead?) and also some kind of roleblocker. I didn't submit any roleblockers, did anyone? We might be able to get some more info from them.

silgado106 · Post Post #148 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:49 pm

well LG, it all depends on whether the roleblocker is alligned with the town or the mafia, maybe some more input from the designer can shine some light on this though.

Oh and Narn, the only way to prove his role is if we can find out another confirmed innocent, so that person can be the one chosen by LG to give the investigation to, but I think doing all of that could be kind of dangerous for either LG or the person he chooses.

silgado106 · Post Post #156 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:29 pm

well Scott, it is true we can't prove whether TSS is really telling the truth or not about making that role, but don't you think it would be too dangerous if he

hadn't

designed that role and then claimed to doing so? Because the real designer could counter-claim him and then we'd know he was lying. Of course we can never rule out the posibility that he was

very

lucky and claimed a role that FD made up, but I really find that very unlikely....
I'm going to

FOS: Scott Morgan

for his weird logic....

silgado106 · Post Post #158 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:35 pm

lol Narn, what's this?

Narninian wrote:I think TSS is telling the truth and scott morgan is telling the truth.

FOS: Scott morgan for extremely odd logic.

You meant Lord Gurgi instead of Scott Morgan right? (the first scott morgan in the quote I mean)
Just making sure...

silgado106 · Post Post #161 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:50 pm

well, the info I meant was from the designers (not the roleblockers themselves) to see whether the roleblocker was alligned with mafia or with town, but anyways I just remembered the post that FD made regarding tweaking and making his own roles, so the designer might not help at all.... I do think someone already brought up the point of claiming the design of a certain role and they were also FOSed about it (I don't remember if it was in this designer or in the first one) so yeah sorry for suggesting it lol

silgado106 · Post Post #168 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:47 am

the silent speaker wrote:
Vote: BlueSin
. We have
two
scum groups; investigative powers could definitely help the scum. What's more, there's plenty of room for tweaking how detailed the investigations are. What if a scum investigates and is told that (ex.) Lord Gurgi is the Master Spy, a cop role?

I really don't remember where we were told that there are two mafia groups. We mentioned it as a possibility, but you seem to have taken it as truth, how come?

silgado106 · Post Post #169 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:56 am

Sorry for the double post.

Yep you are right DS, I hadn't looked at it like that at all

If that's the case though, then we would

have

to get LG to confirm his role tonight, however we agree on it though has to be careful.

LG do you take an extra night action to get someone on your payroll?
If not, then he should choose someone, not tell anyone who, then let that person show us their investigation in the morning. But of course the problem with that is, as some people have already mentioned, if the person he chooses is scum.

silgado106 · Post Post #184 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:03 pm

sorry guys, I had visitors all weekend long but I am finally free

Why are we discussing LG's abilities so openly? Knowing he's such a cop, many people might target him, we don't know how many docs are there that can actually save him... I think we should be a bit careful

silgado106 · Post Post #187 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:39 am

ok... the day is now going really slow....

vote: Scott Morgan

still has said nothing to defend his lurkiness/scummyness

and

FOS: TSS

because the "we have two mafia groups" thing seems kind of suspicious...

silgado106 · Post Post #191 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:32 pm

SinisterOverlord wrote:Oh, and looking at my sent messages, I submitted a role blocker. I put it as mafia, but with a question mark in brackets, so FD could've made it either scum or town. I'd say more likely scum though, as if I recall when we were submitting roles at one point FD wanted more scum roles.

I don't really remember FD asking for more scum roles, I do remember though that in Designer Mafia I they had a scarcity of doc roles, is this what you mean?

Scott Morgan wrote:sorry for the lack of posting but i do indeed have a post limit.
if i post less than five times i get an automatic doc ability the next day

You didn't have to tell us the reason you have a post restriction, because obviously if you are telling the truth, you might have a target on your back now... also, how do you mean you get the ability the next

day

?

silgado106 · Post Post #193 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:03 pm

TSS, that has already been brought up, we have two

killing

groups, but not neccesarily scum groups.... and since this is Designer Mafia, maybe it's not even a serial killer, but some other weird role, you have to remember that...

Also, I was hoping to face Scott Morgan with that on his next post, but I guess you already did that

So yes, I don't believe him either, since he posted his 4th and 5th posts right after the other, when they could have clearly either being done on the same post or by PM... so either he's lying about his claim, or he gave up on trying to get his doc abilities, which then I have no idea why he claimed to that instead of just telling us he has a posting restriction... but I think the former is much more likely, therefore my vote stays

silgado106 · Post Post #213 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:49 pm

no no, Fuldu made the Mimic SK, not the Ninja one... the Ninja is still out there... but we don't know who, and we don't know what it does...

silgado106 · Post Post #217 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:11 am

Yeah Bluesin, but once he chose his target last night, and then he reads the kill this morning, he can connect two and two and know that his target last night has that role... so technically he

does

know who the ninja is.... so we keep speculating about the ninja, or wait to see if anyone has any information on it (it could very well be a role from FD) or should we just keep on going?

silgado106 · Post Post #225 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:42 am

BlueSin wrote:I think scum have screw up today, lucky for town

What exactly did you mean by that Bluesin?

silgado106 · Post Post #227 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:03 pm

posted what exactly?

silgado106 · Post Post #231 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:09 am

Just reread all of the thread... and I have written a bunch of notes on the person I find the most scummy..... after this I will be expecting a lot of discussion hopefully.... I think that

Fuldu = Mafia

Analysis:

DAY 1

Fuldu in Post 37 wrote:I don't know, I'm inclined to give DS the benefit of the doubt on that, at least to get a bandwagon rolling this early on. I didn't create any post-restricted roles this time around, but they are a good way of balancing otherwise powerful roles.

unvote: Gaspode; vote: Scott Morgan

Puts 3rd vote in Scott Morgan bandwagon (scum buddie) but then unvotes (post 65) just because DS unvoted as well. (needed a reason to unvote his scum mate, DS gave it to him)

Fuldu in Post 89 wrote:Well, BlueSin, Totem is the only player who hasn't posted. the silent speaker posted longest ago, and shadyforce and Scott Morgan have both only posted twice. Even though I grossly misread Dragon Slayer's reasoning for voting Scott Morgan the first time, both his posts are noncontributive; in fact, providing reasons why he thinks it makes sense not to contribute. So, vote: Scott Morgan.

Here he goes back and votes for Scott again (distancing himself from Scott?)

Fuldu in Post 127 wrote:We're not getting anywhere, and the day is starting to stall, so I'm going to
unvote: Scott Morgan; vote: Lord Gurgi

I still feel his posts have been more newbieish than scummy, but I have little else to go on at this point.

Then he comes back to say that the day is stalling, unvotes Scott (scum), and places the 4th vote on the Lord Gurgi bandwaggon.

Fuldu in Post 132 wrote:Whoa, hold on, we're not even going to give him an opportunity to claim? That's a little premature. unvote: Lord Gurgi for some breathing room.

Unvotes Lord Gurgi when the bandwaggon gets crowded to give him claiming room (afraid he might be targeted on the next day for stirring an innocent's bandwaggon on day 1?)

Fuldu in Post 136 wrote:Gurgi, which did you do last night?

Trying to get info from the cop, afraid that LG had investigated him?
Of course this passed on as a regular townie statement. Fuldu then tries to get as much info as possible from cop, of course making it seem like it's to help the town, but the info she's asking for definately helps him as scum as well.

Fuldu in Post 202 wrote:I agree, Narninian. Asking for a vote count sounds like a bad use of a limited resource.

vote: Scott Morgan

Fuldu, seeing that Scott has pinned himself to the wall with a bad fake claim, adds the 7th vote on Scott. (wanting to make himself part of the bandwaggon that kills his scum buddie?)

DAY 2

Fuldu in Post 228 wrote:The more important issue, to me, is that BlueSin acted on this to try to push through a lynch of Lord Gurgi yesterday, without giving him time to claim. To me, that is recklessly impatient, and might be indicative of scum. vote: BlueSin

Puts 3rd vote on Bluesin, going along with TSS and MGM. Although I do agree we need as much discussion as possible, I find Fuldu way more scummy than Bluesin.

Therefore

Vote: Fuldu

Note: Fuldu, there's no gender sign in your profile, so I just assumed you are a male, if you are a female, then sorry

you can put s's in front of every "he" describing you

silgado106 · Post Post #235 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:07 am

Fuldu wrote:I find it amusing that I exhibited caution in a bandwagon on an innocent whereas you were rushing to lynch him, and I'm the one who is suspicious.

You are suspicious because of the other points I raised of course, but remember I never said that Bluesin is not suspicious. In fact, Bluesin is right after you in my suspicious list, it didn't click right with me either on his last post when he changed his vote to Fuldu, but I still believe Fuldu seems scummier.

Fuldu wrote:I will try responding point-by-point to silgado106's post when I have a little more time.

Alright, I'll be waiting

Also, it wouldn't hurt for others to post their feelings about this either

silgado106 · Post Post #237 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:06 am

Fuldu wrote:And finally, in response to your last post, my comment quoted there was primarily directed at BlueSin, not at you.

Oh ok I'm sorry about that

Fuldu wrote:If we lynch him today and he turns out to be scum, will you claim I'm distancing myself from him?

Well the problem is that apparently there's only one scum left (from the group that otaku and scott were part of) and then I'm guessing there might be another SK left... so the SK doesn't really have too much to do with the mafia group, so Bluesin might even be the SK, you know?

Another problem would be if there's another mafia family, which I doubt, because then there would be 6 mafias plus the SK dead, 7 killing parties? Umm I don't know, seems a bit over the top...

About your point to point answers, I understand your defense, but you must also understand that I can still think you are scum.

IMHO, I think Fuldu is the last Mafia, and then Bluesin might be the other SK (if those are indeed the last killing people).... so I think I'm going to keep my vote for now... but of course, discussion shouldn't diminish

silgado106 · Post Post #240 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:18 am

Mgm do you mean if Fuldu (or whoever the last mafia is) belongs to the same family as Otaku and Scott?

Well because, how I mentioned before, if he doesn't belong to that family that would mean there's another whole family, which means it's 7 killing people in total? (2 families of 3 plus the dead SK) Of course I'm not saying that's not a possibility, but I much rather think there's only one mafia from that family left, and maybe another SK (which I believe was actually the setup for the first designer mafia) what else could there be mgm?

silgado106 · Post Post #241 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:19 am

sorry for double post...

Bluesin wrote:What make me differ from mafia group and became sk, silgado106??

I'm sorry, I don't understand this, are you asking me a question?

silgado106 · Post Post #243 (isolation #32) » Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:12 pm

Yep, I hadn't thought about the roles as much as I should have, anything is possible of course, but I had said before (some pages back) that I wanted to post a post where I would say my suspicions and actually had something to add to the game, so this is what I did. Not being desperate (why would I?) and not being paranoid, just trying to help with some points... I never really said come all now and lynch Fuldu, I instead wanted discussion, not votes.

silgado106 · Post Post #245 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:45 pm

OK, a lot of you seem to not agree with me (obviously

) and I do somewhat I agree with what DS just posted, so for now I will

Unvote: Fuldu

while keeping an open mind about him.

What I did not like, though, is that while most of you disagreed with me, Bluesin agreed with me right away and voted right away, so I'm confused as to whether my logic is complete crap but he has to follow me because he wants to lynch Fuldu, or if he actually thought my logic was good...

silgado106 · Post Post #248 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:43 am

Umm, did you read what I said correctly?
I said "and then Bluesin might be the other SK" the word "might" doesn't mean I am sure. I am definately not sure of what anyone is, thus the reason we are discussing.

silgado106 · Post Post #258 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:56 am

I'm guessing everyone got prodded eek

Well, Bluesin is one away from the lynch... so he should start defending or at least give us a claim...

I can't vote so I'll wait for him to post

silgado106 · Post Post #268 (isolation #36) » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:40 am

I guess I would believe his role claim, but the "questions" he keeps asking the mod seems kind of weird... if he's stalling, he can't really stall forever, so all we can do is wait for him... I won't vote yet of course

silgado106 · Post Post #274 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:02 am

wow no deaths, that's always nice... and then we got our insane chemist back... probably a reviver, but I am questioning more how Bluesin died in the first place, there was no majority... I wonder what really did happen...

silgado106 · Post Post #276 (isolation #38) » Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:57 pm

ah yes that would make sense... would that role be mafia or town? I guess it depends whether if they thought that Bluesin was guilty or not...

silgado106 · Post Post #278 (isolation #39) » Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:54 pm

Well he could protect 50% but also poison 5% of the time I believe... so he could really be either, a mafia doctor or a townie doctor I guess...

silgado106 · Post Post #279 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:56 pm

oh nevermind, he's pro-town, it says that he wins when all evil is eliminated.... so I am guessing whoever has the reviver role is also pro-town

silgado106 · Post Post #295 (isolation #41) » Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:51 am

Ummm... I don't know whether to believe Bluesin or not... it does make sense though. But if he's mafia, or sk, wouldn't that mean that he has the ability to kill, the ability to fake his death

and

the ability to fake his role? That sounds a bit too much no?

silgado106 · Post Post #306 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:23 pm

I think MGM said there's probably two killing parties left because there's one more Mafia left from that group in which Scott belonged to, and maybe there's another SK left, or something like that you know? So I would agree with maybe two more left....

silgado106 · Post Post #316 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:37 pm

Ok, the only one killing party left now does really make sense of course, and very coincidential with Bluesin faking to be dead just when there's no killings...

But there's also something else that's really weird. We've known Lord Gurgi has been a cop for like two days now, night 2 a doc probably protected him, but we don't know that for sure, but then night 3 no one attempted to kill him, I'm not saying that someone might have tried but he was protected, he wasn't targeted at all... this of course would go along with Bluesin being mafia and not able to kill anyone, I would think a known cop that can assign other people to investigate would be a good target for mafia right? But was it because mafia was faking to be dead? Or was it because Lord Gurgi is mafia and he lied on his role claim?

silgado106 · Post Post #321 (isolation #44) » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:54 am

well obviously the reason I know he wasn't targeted is because of my role.. I thought you guys would know that immediately, sorry for assuming... anyways, no he wasn't targeted by a killing group/person/whatever, and I did not try to get him lynch, didn't you read my post at all? I said that could be one of the possibilities, but the one that I agreed with most was that

because

Bluesin was faking his death, Lord Gurgi wasn't targeted. This was information I thought would be useful, but umm you guys didn't take it as so apparently... anyways, Lord Gurgi wasn't targeted by a killing entity, which I thought would help with eliminating possible outcomes of last night... if you guys make me claim, I'm willing to, but I'd prefer not to of course

silgado106 · Post Post #324 (isolation #45) » Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:59 pm

umm are you guys serious? I share some info from my role, and then you insinuate I am mafia? Why in the world would mafia ever just come out like that with such info?... god I get mad every second when I come to mafia scum nowadays... I should stop playing really...

silgado106 · Post Post #328 (isolation #46) » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:13 am

hello PeaceBringer! Welcome... also I would like to apologize for my last kind of rude message from yesterday, you can say I wasn't in the best of moods lol, so I recommend everyone not to reply in MafiaScum, or any mafia game, while under the influence of your moods

silgado106 · Post Post #365 (isolation #47) » Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:41 am

::haunting voice:: guys, I was away moving to college, didn't have time to say anything in the vacation thread, how dare you?

oh well, good luck guys

::voice dissapears::

silgado106 · Post Post #534 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:50 am

Woohoo, congrats town

I was planning on keeping myself and LG safe each night, but of course I died and he died after me lol, but it doesn't matter as you guys did it anyway!

I am assuming a list of roles and their designers is coming soon. I thought none of my roles made it, because now that I go back to them they were nothing interesting or special, but I was surprised to actually see it in here! Doubled! lol

Well way to go town, and better luck next time mafia

Also I can't believe the mafia that killed me (mgm!!) lived for so long after my death! And then he

almost

made it alive too. Grrr

silgado106 · Post Post #540 (isolation #49) » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:18 pm

I was just thinking that. And I thought my role was twice out there

silgado106 · Post Post #542 (isolation #50) » Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:17 pm

ah yes, Pbug was supposed to be the Nudist Lover