New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

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good evening gentlemen. Less of a good evening, ladies.

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also what's up with the quick pairing between jester and MDS?

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Btw it should be noted this flavor is very not sjw friendly.

lmao

Pedit: maybe

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Oh please, I'll get a real gentleman

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i'm a fine lady though?

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Oh.
I just got it now.

LMFAO nice burn m8
I hope your lady is scum

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Oh please, I'm disguised as a man.

T R A P

Pedit: dying for men with a sense of humour? You do know he dies if you do???

/me runs

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Gotta attract those weird guys.

sorry for hyperposting btw, this is one of the only times i can actually participate in something that resembles rvs (due to timezones)

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Yes
I'm not here to see tears being shed because of previous dances
I'm here to meet my lover
(Oh and well to see thejester cry but shhh)

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Excuse me
Dunn is

obviously

going to ask me for a dance.

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There is?

"Hey you lazy wallflower, dance with me or I'll burn down your house!" often does the trick for me...

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good evening gentlemen. Less of a good evening, ladies.

i mean are you making an ironic sexist joke or are you actually irl scum because either way i really dislike you as a person

Uhm...
Obviously this was intended as a joke because I'm a lady and I want my good guy
So I gotta beat dem other ladies?

Pedit: parama is going to be fun this game.

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But why do you want a partner to manipulate?

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But why do you want a partner to manipulate?

i'm scum, sup

Right. I forgot. Should I buss you now or...

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Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

I think everything is likely? I thought alignment is randomised, so it can really be anything.

Pedit: yeah, that.
Pedit2: okay thanks.

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HERE'S TO MY LOVE!
O TRUE APOTHECARY!
THY DRUGS ARE QUICK. THUS, WITH A KISS, I DIE.

You.
I like you.

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(Plus mechanically it makes very little sense for scum!me to want to partner with the IC. Town shan't remove them or their partner till the intermission , and at that time scum SHALL)

But since you are aware of this and even point it out as a fact to prove your townie-ness, is it still a valid argument?

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HERE'S TO MY LOVE!
O TRUE APOTHECARY!
THY DRUGS ARE QUICK. THUS, WITH A KISS, I DIE.

You.
I like you.

Shall we offer BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?

Sounds kinky.

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Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

$10 says RNG determined this

Pay up!

What a gentleman you are, asking a lady for her money.

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HERE'S TO MY LOVE!
O TRUE APOTHECARY!
THY DRUGS ARE QUICK. THUS, WITH A KISS, I DIE.

You.
I like you.

Shall we offer BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?

Sounds kinky.

So let it be written; so let it be done.

Inspectorscout, oh won't you accept a dance with the devil on the death floor? We shall embrace till the very end, and let blood fill this ebony hall.

I kind of want to, but it's too soon.
Show me your

dancing

scumhunting skills and we'll see.

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@scout

I'm just crossdressing for this dance, I'm usually a lady...
Guys are supposed to be pushy and mean, right?

I'm also crossdressing, yes... Guys are supposed to be gentlemen and if theyre pushy and mean you'll end up in a dark, dark place.

Or you'll have a pushy man. Whatever.

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(You'd have to ask why I, as scum, would point that mechanical thing out though. It's much stronger to let someone else bring it up if someone decides to attack me.^^)

Okay I can agree on this.

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Sure, I'll start with you.

Do you think scum are more likely to quick pair or wait a bit?

Also what do you think about people who started their posts with setup speculation?

I think scum can and will do both. Ladies are probably more inclined to wait as they know they wont be forced to leave. Gentlemen can do either, I guess it depends on the playerlist and their playstyle.

I think the setup spec is kind of useless right now as a guy will get voted out, regardless of distribution. If it's the only thing they do it's bad, otherwise it's nai. The usual stuff, i guess?

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@mod: is the amount of scum ladies/gents exactly the same as last time or is it randomized?

Now stop shitting about setup.

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Also ftr,

My lovers PT will be a deep interrogation thread,

I hope no one comes in expecting roses and daises.

Will there be chains?

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There you go. Thanks mod.

Move on, thanks!

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hey uhm...
People have yet to die. stay nice.

@ser arthur: Does your dance request still stand?

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Oh my god I don't know if I'll manage to keep up with that kind of volume. I hope this game will quiet down once we're all assigned dance PTs and relocate some of the spam out there.

Honestly,

I kinda signed up for this because I love larges but didn't think I'd have enough time for a 20+ player game.

I didn't except this kind of level, I'm now afraid I won't have enough time to catch up with main thread + PT esp with a spammer lover. BUT I am kinda contributing to the activity, but it's my day off so there's that.

I really only have a lot of time right now, don't worry.

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Scout, if you're here I wanna hear what you have to say about Jester and Shadow.

I think S_S hasn't done that much yet, but he's posting content? Also, I don't see the scumslip, really. It's logic, although the flipside of the medal is also odd (pairing the IC with scum).
I'd say townlean.

thejester has less content with way more posts but the both of us were joking so it doesn't really matter. Overall a town tone.

Now, why cherrypick me out of all people?

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@ser arthur: I think that, if you want to be the only person asking questions, you chose the wrong date.

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Ser Arthur Dayne, I accept your request. Let's begin our danse macabre until our undying love is seperated by scarlet blood.

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@scout because your ISO is full of nothing but setup spec, calling setup spec silly and jokes.
How do you possibly get SS as a townlean?
How do you possibly get Jester as town?
I wouldn't mind more actual content behind those reads, you're looking a little empty on the reasoning here.

and how do you expect me to give content behind reads when the content given is setup spec and silly jokes?

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That's unfortunate.

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@scout Hey, I'll show you how to do it. It's not tough, really.
146 is a supermassive black hole of scumminess. This is a clear, obvious, BLINDING display of shitty scum distancing, combined with the fact that Jester has completely fallen out of the thread since I've been deathtunnelling her makes me feel like I'm probably on to something.

Do you have any of these reads about any of the other players?
I do feel like you're kinda town, but I don't want to set a precedent of 'Yeah guys you can totally just sit back and lurk the whole game, putting in empty jokes every now and then!'

You do yours, I do mine.
I do agree with points from that posts, actually.
Activity isn't a tell.
I'll share my reads when I feel like it will actually progress the gamestate.

Why are you asking me alone? I'm not the only person who didn't say a lot yet, and you also state that you think I'm town. Even after you said I am not doing anything.

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Excuse me
Dunn is

obviously

going to ask me for a dance.

Am I?

You were late to the dance.

again.

I think mds is scum

Are you sure?

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@HS: Do you sincerely believe deathtunneling is going ot be more useful for you in determining individuals alignments than actually look at the game as a whole?

I will admit I regret the postspam which has inflated the postcount and made it hard to catch up for the others, but I don't think my reads or actions themselves have been bad.
I'm not just deathtunnelling for the sake of deathtunnelling, and I'm not leaving anybody out either.

@scout I was asking you alone because you were -here- and you had nothing in your iso. I wanted something in your iso.

Fine.

What is your opinion on cerb and kagami?

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Kagami scummy too

I'd preferred if you had waited with that but w/e.

Are you sure?

no

Obviously.
I kind of think mds is town.

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Kagami: Towny. I don't see scum being anywhere as 'frank' with his posting as he is.

Cerb: Unsure. Post more. Could easily go either way.

I could agree with your kagami read, but why can't you form an opinion on cerb? I think they're the easiest to form a read on, if you base yourself on players being 'frank'. His tone is kind of fake.
(Im going to reread parts of shadowrun)

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@scout I find it really fucking hard to read people without an avatar.
It's a shitty excuse, but trust me, it pisses me off just as much as it pisses you off.

ISO them? Yes, it's a shitty excuse.

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I'm inclined to agree with Dunnstral, at least in that MDS really does need to do some explaining regarding why she essentially chose to make her partner lynchproof for the day at such an early point.

But in what way does that make her scummy? She would be picked anyway as there are less ladies. Now that pair is being looked at for that (for example by you) while, if she's scum, it would only have a negative effect on her.

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He's posting really 'milktoast'.
It's hard for me to interpret Cerb's personality and the kind of person cerb is at this point, and that is intrinsic to how I read anybody.
So I'm holding off for now.

This is something totally different from not wanting to read an avatar-less slot, though?

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btw post 208 to 287 isn't backpedaling

You can tell the ic not to pair with someone if you're unsure of their alignment

But scumreading --> townreading --> not being able to read because no avatar is???

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Yeah I don't have good feelings about HS this game regardless

How about parama?

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Yeah I don't have good feelings about HS this game regardless

How about parama?

I think parma is fine but they're paired with hs so death may be in their future

I tend to go after groups where I think both members are scum, though, which is why I like having some say in deciding who pairs with who (not like anyone would listen)

On one side i like their agressiveness but its a bit over the top sometimes.
= theyre town but slightly rude as well

I think thats a good idea, but im gonna bet on that not working (mainly because of pairs already made)

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HEy wait

What do you think about Ser Arthur Dayne? @scout

I do believe hes town
+ im a sucker for people who actually want to do useful stuff in their PT
Just like him, I prefer (and am better at) figuring people out 1 on 1.
If he's scum after all I'll find out
If he's not, it's a win win either way, then we can be a hydra doublevoter or smth

Why do YOU want to pair with someone who hasnt even posted yet?

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On one side i like their agressiveness but its a bit over the top sometimes.
= theyre town but slightly rude as well

if it helps i'm like this every game regardless of my alignment
i have very little patience but i'm also above outright insulting people for no good reason like shadow is doing
babying people never produces results though

Telling them you'll policy and WoTC them doesn't help often either imo...

And I know, I don't read people solely on agressiveness as I, too, will be at a point this game where I'm rude and I always have that, as well. It's just not always that much fun to play with.

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I was just paired with her and believe I can figure her out

ALSO, I ENJOYED our last pt together

@mariaR

Dude if you're in love just admit your love while the game has still a slight amount of romance.

Why do YOU want to pair with someone who hasnt even posted yet?

Because they are DAMN GOOD as town and I think I can figure them out if they are scum.

Same, read above.

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btw pretty sure cerberus is town

Will explain more later

Well
I reread shadowrun (or at least the reasonably - cerb slots) and their tone was the same and they were town, so I'm not in my right accusing them of a fake tone, but i still find them bothering in a way.

@everyone: remember me not to write dunn off as town

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Like
I played with that dude as both scum and town
And when i thought I was right about him
He was a fucking cult leader

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@Scout
There's my read on cerb for you, dunn's probably town to me and I'm pretty happy sheeping that for now

I'm kind of not following your reads because of reasons, if you hadn't noticed yet.

I'm also not a fan of putting people as town because other people do so. I have bad memories of doing so.

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But why

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Jrez.you don't know chill

I don't know at what L- the vedith pair is but INTENT TO VOTE
@gamma: you were pretty damn desperate aaking out vedith. Do you think hes town.
@dunnstral: you said your partner was scummy. Do you still think so? Do you intent on leaving?

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@dunn I dont want you to leave as I dont scunread either you or your partner
But you said pre-dance that you would seriously consider it so...

Im thinking scum is gamma
Pedit: LOL

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So gamma desperately proposes as one of the last 3 single men
To a scumread

And when he can leave he causally forgets his scumread on gis partner

???

Walk me through town gamma

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LMFAO wrong place transcend

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Then gamma is even nore likely to be scum
Duh

Pedit of fuck off

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Im on phone in college so getting ninjad after every post is shit

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Im on phone in college

Its not like organic chemistry is more interesting than dancing with my love (who has an odd love for blood and skulls which is both bothering and cute)

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Post 888 I strongly gut scumread



Might be the overexplanation/defensiveness of trying to defend Jester and making it clear she isn't going to determine his alignment

I don't like her push on shadow. I know that sounds weird because a lot of people are but I don't like her push on shadow

I'd like to see more from them first.
Jester is normally pretty easy to read, of course, this doesn't really help with the Mini situation.
I can't go into detail, but I can see a reason of Mini over explaining to a degree.

I didn't want to dance with Dunn because I tr him and I think it would've been better if he danced with a dif lady as all ladies must be picked and if Dunn got a scum lady I trust in him to be able to figure out if he got paired with a scum lady or a town lady where I already wanted to dance with shadow as I'm bias and since he was like "I don't wanna dance with anyone else" I felt if I didn't pick him and he was town I would've felt like an ass

So you believe dunn should pair with scum girls but you pair with people not to feel bad?

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1) Doesn't go for low-hanging fruit like scum!Gamma does.
2) Looks goofy and comfortable like town!Gamma and unlike scum!Gamma.
3) Habitually scummy which IIRC is typical of him.
4) Why would town gents be OK with being left behind? Why would town gents refuse to pair with scum ladies? I don't get that part.
5) Did he forget the scumread? I must have missed that. I think he just said "I don't tr Vedith"

1) could be
2) I hosted a game with him as town; I disagree with this
3) see above
4) you have a point
But asking out a scumread lady doesn't help you as you get lynched anyway
5) I thought I saw that somewhere
Pls dun let me quote have mercy

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AND STOP REPLYING TO THE STUFF IM SUPPOSED TO REPLY TO BEFORE I CAN REPLY TO IT

thanks

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you gonna tell me Kagami wasn't a ??? read?

I'm pretty sure that your darling you rejected scumread her thoigh

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@mds

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68714

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you gonna tell me Kagami wasn't a ??? read?

I'm pretty sure that your darling you rejected scumread her thoigh

Yeah but I didn't

So you decide who dunn should be able to read?
Dunn youre not wearing the pants in a relationship youre not even in

Gg

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Vedith: go to your love pt and chemistry ck what the other name is

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Vedith: go to your love pt and chemistry ck what the other name is

My love is only for you, though.

<3 sadly im already in love

If Shadow is town Kagami might be scum. Otherwise Shadow is the best I have right now.

Btw inspector had a point, Gamma does look different as town in that game.

Why kagami scum if shadow town?

And yes obviously
I was the mod

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Im sorry but 'youre not able to read me' is your problem, not mine

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1) Doesn't go for low-hanging fruit like scum!Gamma does.
2) Looks goofy and comfortable like town!Gamma and unlike scum!Gamma.
3) Habitually scummy which IIRC is typical of him.
4) Why would town gents be OK with being left behind? Why would town gents refuse to pair with scum ladies? I don't get that part.
5) Did he forget the scumread? I must have missed that. I think he just said "I don't tr Vedith"

1) could be
2) I hosted a game with him as town; I disagree with this
3) see above
4) you have a point
But asking out a scumread lady doesn't help you as you get lynched anyway
5) I thought I saw that somewhere
Pls dun let me quote have mercy

About 2 and 3) I was a Watcher that game and tried to stay under the radar.

So you are saying that you normally do scummy things?

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Scout is just forming reads where popular demand are.
He's making a lot less effort than I've seen in him previously and I just have that tingle.

Call it popular demand
Or call it truth

I think you and shadow are town though, and I dont think both are common reads.
You just had to pair with scum...

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I think Human is town. I actually hope she's town because I don't see scum!her in any way atm.

I disliked the way she pushed my inactivity while maintaining the stance that im town

Scum Meter
Nahdia
Human Sequencer
pieguyn
Cerberus
Parama
Gamma Emerald
MariaR
Ser Arthur Dayne
Vedith
Jester
inspectorscout
mhsmith0
Dunnstral
Kagami
Shadow_step

town

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~town

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null

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~scum

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scum

@vedith: you called for popular reads?

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@vedith: you called for popular reads?

Since when we're Dunn Kagami popular null reads and Gamma popular town lean?

Gratz on finding the odd ones out.

Now look at the others.

I think Human is town. I actually hope she's town because I don't see scum!her in any way atm.

I disliked the way she pushed my inactivity while maintaining the stance that im town

Where?

Read her iso or smth
Im on phone, if I think of it ill quote it later

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Parama town
HS scumlean

Nahdia, can you give your thoughts on MDS?

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Our PT is still slightly empty because arthiur is asleep or something

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'Not Voting [5] - The_Jester, inspectorscout, Cerberus v666, mhsmith0, MiniDeathStar'
This is not ok.

Right.

VOTE: jester - MDS

I don't see the shadow scumread tbh.

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'Not Voting [5] - The_Jester, inspectorscout, Cerberus v666, mhsmith0, MiniDeathStar'
This is not ok.

Yeah guys friendly reminder that this game does have a time limit. That in mind I'll compromise and

VOTE: MariaR/Shadow_step

Both those leading wagons ought to die eventually.

Umm...

Every lynch will reset the deadline to 8 days.

We have a week to lynch, then another week, then another week (

@mod: please confirm if I'm mistaken

). Time is only an issue if we mess around and don't lynch by deadline. So unless I'm wrong about the setup, we can at least slightly chill.

Now that you're here
Can you talk reads instead of setup?
Not intending to be mean

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mhsmith0 talk to me about pie.

After hes done
Why pie out of all people?

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@is: 1) she's my partner
2) nahdia is IC so why do you care about why she's asking the question?

I forgot she was your partner, I thought she was with someone else. Sorry.

I do think it's important to follow her thought process, even if she's the IC. Not to figure her out (obviously) but to help me find how she thinks. In this case I was just dumb though.

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@is: 1) she's my partner
2) nahdia is IC so why do you care about why she's asking the question?

I forgot she was your partner, I thought she was with someone else. Sorry.

I do think it's important to follow her thought process, even if she's the IC. Not to figure her out (obviously) but to help me find how she thinks. In this case I was just dumb though.

Why do you care how she thinks? She's the ic. You don't have to sort her at all.

Because she might see stuff I don't?
I always try to figure out how everyone thinks, regardless of if they're IC.

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What would be a hypothetical answer nahdia might give to that question that would actually enhance your understanding of her thought process in a useful way? If her role was unknown, then it's a plausible scum-hunting question (maybe she's just doing busy work, etc.). But since she's the IC, and doesn't need to be sorted, what kind of answer might she give to that question that might actually be useful?

I look at your question, and it reads like you're trying to see if nahdia's question has any use at all, which only really makes sense as a scum-hunting poke, but again, it can't be that unless you forgot she was the IC. So I really want to know what it was actually useful for, other than a generic "I'm trying to understand her better"

An anwer could be:
"Because I scumread her."
Or
"Because she hasn't posted a lot yet, and I want to see how he reacts to having to comment on a person for who there is not a popular read yet."
Or
"Because I'm unsure about what to think of her."

She could've asked that because she voiced a scumread on you (?) and tried to test you, like in scenario 2. She could've because she was unsure herself, like in scenario 3. She could have asked it because she scumread you and wanted to create associative tells in case the two of you are scum. Really, there are a lot of possible answers/reasons, and all of these help me find out where she is in this game.

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I didn't forget she was the IC, though.

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You're making a list of things she could have said but are failing to explain why any of them would actually be helpful to you.

Let's start with the first one: that she thinks pie is a wolf (it's a reasonably obvious possible answer). Having her out that read at a time when pie isn't under pressure isn't necessarily helpful to anyone, since if pie is suspicious it's more helpful to have other people be bringing up points there, and then if pie flips wolf you can better evaluate who pressured her and why. Like, walk through that scenario, where the actual answer is that nahdia suspects pie, and come up with a town-positive reason for her to out that suspicion, because I don't see any.

Instead, it looks like you're either fake scum-hunting the IC or maybe just asking the IC to tell you what to think. Which is, at best, lazy town.

So because I'm not the IC I'm supposed to shit out reads but the IC shouldn't. Bullshit, the IC is our most valuable player and should voice her thoughts. She asked you about a specific player and I wanted to know why that player in particular. Not because I find Nahdia questionable, but it seemed to be an odd player to ask about.

Either of those answers gives me a clearer view of her reads and on the way she thinks. It's the way I play and the way I think. Unless I think you're scum I consider your reads and want to know why they are that way. It's called a town, not a single player.

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OK now maybe you're onto something MH.

Perhaps. I probably need to ISO him and see where that goes, but at the very least that was a ping and something he did a pretty poor job defending on.

"I need to iso him"
= I'm going to try and find wood to fuel bias. Go ahead, I'm interested in seeing you do stuff.

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So because I'm not the IC I'm supposed to shit out reads but the IC shouldn't. Bullshit, the IC is our most valuable player and should voice her thoughts. She asked you about a specific player and I wanted to know why that player in particular. Not because I find Nahdia questionable, but it seemed to be an odd player to ask about.

Either of those answers gives me a clearer view of her reads and on the way she thinks. It's the way I play and the way I think. Unless I think you're scum I consider your reads and want to know why they are that way. It's called a town, not a single player.

The IC being open and clear about reads, especially super early in the game, is less of a priority than everyone else being open and clear about reads (especially since the IC can't possibly be NK'd before a number of lynches happen first). It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

PS If SAD is a wolf, then MDS is pretty likely a wolf too for the IS WK.

But I'm not asking her to be open with her reads? I indirectly asked if that was an attempt at scumhunting on you, genuine interest in your read for some reason or lack of own reads? I didn't have a good read on you, and neither on pie.

Why, if you think I'm scum, are you even talking about SAD? Do you think we are both scum? You saying this shows that you are either townreading me or throwing shade.

As you would put it:
You're attempting to find associative tells before any informational flip has occured. It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

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He literally just told me he's unsure. How is that biased?

...
Just wait and see, young padawan.

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I know
But he is trying to discredit my play. He called me 'lazy town at best' while I definitely had a reason for asking

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Identifying connections between players is sometimes interesting, including to see how people react to it. You seem to think that this is unreasonable. Is it because

1) You think that the idea of a SAD-MDS team makes no sense?
or
2) Because "it's just too early" to look at how people might be connected together?
or
3) Something else?

Because the MDS WK of you at that spot was itself pretty interesting and IMO worth commenting on. Do you disagree?

Now we are talking.

Yes, I think that team doesn't make sense as arthur is discussing reads with me in our PT and he kind of agrees with my scumread on her.

Yes, I also think you can look for associative tells as much as you want, but the moment one of these flips town (and i think arthur is) you did nothing really. Why look for scum pairing before you know they are scum? I think there was some tell i saw earlier and mentioned when it was asked, but's in vain if one of them flips town, and then I've been looking busy instead of being busy.

I do agree that the WK was odd, especially since I've been voicing my scumread on her for a while now.

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Yes, townies make careless mistakes more than wolves. But IS is representing this as an intentional process, not a careless mistake. So that's not really a relevant defense. Is it possible that he's a townie who actually believes waht he's saying, or that he's a townie simply too proud to admit a fuckup? Sure. But it's also entirely possible that he's a wolf that is struggling to defend what he's done.

If I wanted to I could've said 'oh right nahdiua is IC lulz *awkward*' which is not only way easier but also way lazier. It's not true, I'm well aware that she is. I fucked up, yes, but because i forgot pie was your partner, NOT because i forgot about nahdia being IC. I voiced my opinion on why I did it, and I'm still waiting for an answer on it. We can keep discussing this and I don't mind doing so, but what do you think you will get out of me other than what I have been repeating so far?

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Could you walk me through scum!Gamma? I think he's less fond of useless/fluff posts when he's scum.

So gamma desperately proposes as one of the last 3 single men
To a scumread

And when he can leave he causally forgets his scumread on gis partner

???

Walk me through town gamma

1) Doesn't go for low-hanging fruit like scum!Gamma does.
2) Looks goofy and comfortable like town!Gamma and unlike scum!Gamma.
3) Habitually scummy which IIRC is typical of him.
4) Why would town gents be OK with being left behind? Why would town gents refuse to pair with scum ladies? I don't get that part.
5) Did he forget the scumread? I must have missed that. I think he just said "I don't tr Vedith"

So like Dunn, please kindly gtfo with that and find a better hook.

Hook?

As in something you latch onto when you build a case. Because me defending myself and others is not it. And atm I'm not sure how I'm reading you so I don't know if I want to dissect your jabs at me or just write you off. I think I'll go with option 2 for now.

Im sorry but 'youre not able to read me' is your problem, not mine

Oh. Apparently I did not say it explicitly here. I did in the PT and probably messed up there, but I am voting you. I disliked your awkward defense of gamma, you saying that some people cant read you and generally tone. I also think you did rather opportunistic stuff previously but i cba to look for it again so it doesnt really count, i gurss.

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Dunn and HS

You are like arguing in the same thread about different stuff
What do you think of the recent interaction between me and mh (and bonus question mds)

PEDIT FUCK OFF DUNN

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Okay so I'm leav-

*gets beat down and dragged to the PT by arthur*

What about gamma and vedith? I really think gamma is scum but I kind of want vedith for a bit longer

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Sorry arthur, when you think about it a little her explanation does check out.

Can we please lynch Mr. Obvscum (shadow) now?

Okay so me and inspector talked about this a bit, but basically we had different conclusions.

My take was that we should group the scummiest PAIR and lynch with that to start off.

He disagreed and said that people should go for the scummiest INDIVIDUALS regardless of partner.

For me however, the 3 leading wagons are:

The_Jester (null) - MiniDeathStar (lean scum)
Gamma Emerald (null) - Vedith (very scummy)
Shadow_step (very scummy) - MariaR (lean town)

Scummiest individuals, except if the partner was a really decent town player.

My top picks are gamma and mds, but i have a preference for mds as i think vedith is a useful town player
Therefore i obviously disagree(d) with the S_S lynch and agree with the gamma lynch, but for a different reason

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I agree with you by the way, but I agree with nahdia more (FIND TOWNS, LYNCH EVERYBODY ELSE)

Arthur did this before nahdia mentioned it though.

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@vedith: you called for popular reads?

Since when we're Dunn Kagami popular null reads and Gamma popular town lean?

Gratz on finding the odd ones out.

Now look at the others.

sup, this is literally what you did.

Scout is just forming reads where popular demand are.
He's making a lot less effort than I've seen in him previously and I just have that tingle.

Call it popular demand
Or call it truth

I think you and shadow are town though, and I dont think both are common reads.
You just had to pair with scum...

why does vedith have to do it? you just disproved your own counterargument. either you and MDS are scummy for the same reason or neither of you are.

Basically it was more of a "I get scumread for this shit so what is this and isn't that scummy?"
But yeah w/e, you're right I guess

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@is: 1) she's my partner
2) nahdia is IC so why do you care about why she's asking the question?

I forgot she was your partner, I thought she was with someone else. Sorry.

I do think it's important to follow her thought process, even if she's the IC. Not to figure her out (obviously) but to help me find how she thinks. In this case I was just dumb though.

Why do you care how she thinks? She's the ic. You don't have to sort her at all.

i mean it's good to have an understanding of people's opinions instead of not questioning them and blindly sheeping, innit?

FINALLY

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I feel like when inspectorscout returns he doesn't even bother to read anything that transpired while he was away




I can respect that

I am

I just dont think its useful for me to comment on those
There is no use in beating dead cows

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I feel like when inspectorscout returns he doesn't even bother to read anything that transpired while he was away




I can respect that

I am

I just dont think its useful for me to comment on those
There is no use in beating dead cows

This might be an odd question but have you or your partner discussed kagami in your pt?

We haven't yet. She's in my nulltown - town reads anyway, and I think arthur feels the same (im unsure)
We have reads we sseriously disagree on, so we are discussing those more


Why? Do you have problems sorting her?

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Oh lol. I thought you wrote HS, not MH. wow. I have no idea how I made that connection.

Alright.

MH is being lazy, and I don't like it. As I said before pie is within my real of suspicion as well, so...they're on the low likelihood of being town/town spectrum, but blah. Do you want me to actually ISo someone SS? I'll be a lot more useful after I do that.

Yeah iso inspector. I'm paranoid about the slot. He expressed a TR on me when Parama was bombing the thread with SCUM SLIP-LYNCH SHADOW.

Because if anything I don't see how that was a scumslip? I don't mind it that people rewd my ISO though; then thet see that I'm actually doing stuff.

Oh lol. I thought you wrote HS, not MH. wow. I have no idea how I made that connection.

Alright.

MH is being lazy, and I don't like it. As I said before pie is within my real of suspicion as well, so...they're on the low likelihood of being town/town spectrum, but blah. Do you want me to actually ISo someone SS? I'll be a lot more useful after I do that.

Yeah iso inspector. I'm paranoid about the slot. He expressed a TR on me when Parama was bombing the thread with SCUM SLIP-LYNCH SHADOW.

What are your thoughts about the back and forth between me and IS about his questioning of nahdia?

I already asked this a day ago?


I'm in favor of no-lynching, btw.

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You're paranoid because there were at least the majority of th people who didn't see it as a scumslip, but you are paranoid of me because I'm the one that voiced it?

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Why wouldn't you take the time for that?
If I didn't I'd had been hunting cerb

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Rip english

My reads are similar to thsose of arthur, but vedith is way higher, shadow is a bit higher and so is dunn
Human sequencer a nbit lower

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I might as well post my thoughts now

Gonna change "now" to "later tonight"

I've got quite a bit I've been thinking about though so expect an above average sized post from me

ARE WE GETTING A FULL 6 LINES?!

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You're paranoid because there were at least the majority of th people who didn't see it as a scumslip, but you are paranoid of me because I'm the one that voiced it?

@shadow

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1. BARELY ANY PEOPLE HAVE READS. This is a true fact. I'm not going to argue this point.

holy crap dude your ego is just as bad as shadow's
you're acting like you're the only one with reads which is just

not true

like

it's so easy to produce evidence counter to this statement, why the hell are you even making it?
this slot needs to die tbh

i'll note how waffly he's been on shadow, hoppin on and off the wagon again at a moment's notice. just gonna keep it in mind when shadow flips scum

But
Do you think scum is going to call out nearly everyone in the thread for a reason that can be proven to be false?

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Gamma
Gamma
Gamma

Probably mhsmith or HS

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@inspector
wot

why is everybody posting readslists? uggg

I don't trust you
Thst's it

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Wtf
Giving reasons can convince town on your reads
Giving a lists gives scum an idea on who to kill

???

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I cant describe it

I very much disliked you questioning seemingly random players
I dislike your tone
And kind of PoE

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I find reads list more hurtful then helpful

You are right
Why did you post a readslist????????

@scout
I'm questioning random players because I'm trying to sort players. Yknow, that thing townies do.

But you question everyone as if you scumread them

Evn your townreads

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I'm at uni, ill look later
You have my word

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Please, a moment of silence for how obvious this distancing is.

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Also, side note: IS is a terrorist group. Please call me scout or inspec(tor) or something
IS makes me uncomfortable

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Basically Gamma:

Vedith claims to leave
Gamma flails
Suddenly scumreads HS for every fucking single reason

???

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Gamma
HS
Then uh...unsure but I'd like to believe smith

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Scout - The ISO is very mis leading I feel here and probably should be Null/Null. My biggest concern is that he thinks Gamma is scum, then votes Mini and Jester. There's really not a great deal from him, and I'd stick him in the null/null section to where he's a threat

Because I wanted you to stay.

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The_Jester - MiniDeathStar
Ser Arthur Dayne - inspectorscout
mhsmith0 - pieguyn

These are the pairs I'm officially marking for death.

I can actually agree with this to some extent

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I dont scumread him
But he's got me worrying both by PoE and a feeling I'm being played

Obviously i want mds dead before because its part of why i think im being played

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Except i'm not sheeping
i voiced scumreads on those pairs before

I'll inform you about it when i know more, dunn.

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I'll inform you about it when i know more, dunn.

feelscopoutman

Its basically tone, pt and those interactions with mds
WHICH require her flip

And don't yell opportunism because I've been on about her as a scumread for a while now

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Im talking about arthur
Interactions with mds

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Then hes town i guess
Do note that i already said i dont scumread him
Even if you flip scum ill have a hard time believing so, but at least it isnt off the book then

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I had another scumgame, being http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961


About the arthur mds thing, shit's complicated
I want to believe arthur is town and i do, but mhsmith said something about mds saying something about my pair, i dont even remember what, but it did do something for me, like, tie them a bit tgether.
The bad part is thqt it was said by mhsmith who i kind of scumread and i had tied mds to gamma way earlier in game, but since gamma flipped town and gamma being scum was also part of my read on mds my head is one clusterfuck rn

I hope this makes any sense

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It doesn't

Who did you tie arthur too

Mds

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Because the MDS WK of you at that spot was itself pretty interesting and IMO worth commenting on. Do you disagree?

This is thr post im taklking about

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VOTE: no lynch

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Scum kills a pair and we go on?
What do we benefit more by lynching now rather than after a nightkill? Theoretically the odds of hitting scum are higher if we nolynch, i think

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Voting for NL = scumclaim

Because?

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Because it doesn't help anything and forces town to leave if they wanna have any influence over the game. If we nl, people are gonna argue on the same matters tomorrow and nothing will change, apart from giving scum a free kill.

Except the kill will happen anyway, either now or after a lynch

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Why exactly
-isnt no-lynch voted yet
-is mds still alive?

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No
Because shadow is a fine member of the town.

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If you swriously believe that he scumslipped, and that his agression and defense is scum motivated but mds's defense of jester isnt

Read again.

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Oh yes, of course, my entire case is that shadow scumslipped, that's all it is, and nothing more.
Nice misrep!
Still, you're probably town

Reasons to lynch mds/jester are great but reasons to lynch shadow/mariar is even greater

Also, this still stands so you can pretty much bump the vc up by one

Also scout i realize my 'fuck off scout' was really aggressive and that entire post really dismissive, don't take it personally bro, i very rarely mean the mean things i say (except for that one post about jester's work, fuck that amirite)

But I didn't say that was all of your case?

A while ago I mentioned something about attacking your townreads
This is one of those.

I want maria-shadow alive, even though maria wants me dead

Don't worry about being agressive, I'm used to way worse.

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@mhsmith: you say the people pushing you are possibly scum...isn't that kind of omgus?

Anyway, I'm sorry ive been slacking, school is being ridiculous right now

The discussion about mhsmith made me reconsider my read on HS a bit

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WHY IS SHADOW/MARIAR STILL ALIVE

Because they're town

VOTE: mhsmith
Help here then.

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I AM TOWNREADING BOTH YOU AND SMITH
PLEASE READ

I'm not.

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Remember when I said HS could be town?

Yeah uh no.

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HS - mhsmith - ???

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ahhaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i am fuckin done
literally what the fuck
what makes me any more likely to do or say that as scum compared to town
literally what the fuck

Because your reads are bad in a way that youre probably trying to keep yourbuddies from being lynched

Shadow-maria is a cowbeaten to death already
And yes im aware that arthur does the same, and i disagree with it as much as with you
But otherwise hes okay and youre not

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@mhsmith: now that you think im town, lets look back again
What do you think of me questioning the IC?

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Its going somewhere




To a place called apathy

I mean
So many people agree that mhsmith is probably scum
That mds could be scum
(That shadow could be scum)
Whats the problem lynching your second candidate?

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Don't think this is going anywhere, I'll wait for some townies to chime in (why are people still talking about shadow)

SAD is a consensus town read and thinks shadow is scum and continues to push there. It's kind of a question that answers itself.

...


So both mhsmith and HS think that SAD is extremely likely town, and both agree that im probably town.
...should I start worrying?

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Whats the problem lynching your second candidate?

Me?

My second candidate is MDS and there's no "problem"

Not you
Everyone

This post is a disguised campaign for mhsmith votes shh

So both mhsmith and HS think that SAD is extremely likely town, and both agree that im probably town.
...should I start worrying?

For the record I also think SAD is town

But there is only 3 scum
And you never called him locktown
And you never pushed so many 'scummy' thjngs i did but kept repeating 'ur still town'

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I played with shadow when he was in a hydra with xkyfu
Agression was there, and yes i see where you guys are coming from, but like mhsmith is doing now is nitpicking. Are you really going to scumread someone more because they werent agressive enough?

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But you quoted posts that alao have enothing

If calling people useless fucks sounds neutral to you, ylu should definitely fix your language standarts

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Im not gonna bother fixing those typos, you understand me.

What im saying is that, whilere there are possibly good arguments against him, there is a lot of stuff that can easily be written of as bias.
He alao has been pushed all game long and nearly no counterwagon has come close (apart from gamma)

My scumreads have happily pushed this wagon as well which makes it worse for me
Long story short i dont believe in this, although they pribably need to flip sooner or later

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Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

T-T
Cerb-nahdia
Dunn-kagami
Ss-maria

Scum
HS
Mhsmith
Probably mds,very maybe arthur

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Cool, push a counter then.

Read my iso and make your choice

I offer you HS, you and mds

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Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

T-T
Cerb-nahdia
Dunn-kagami
Ss-maria

Scum
HS
Mhsmith
Probably mds,very maybe arthur

Thoughts on shadows push on kagami since you say she's town?

Hes wrong

Kagami isnt doing anything, true
Is it scummy? No. If she wanted she'd come here and answer questions.
Its often easier to sort people in PT's, where is actually is active.
Its easy to write off inactivity as scum lurking but often its NAI

Period.

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Hes wrong

Kagami isnt doing anything, true
Is it scummy? No. If she wanted she'd come here and answer questions.
Its often easier to sort people in PT's, where is actually is active.
Its easy to write off inactivity as scum lurking but often its NAI

Period.

So nothing about that push makes you think that he's pushing her for the same thing he's being pushed for, and that it might be hypocritical? No suspicion at all, just clearly wrong town?

Hypocrisy is scummy?
Is being pushed for a 'scumslip', (lack of) agression and reduced activity after vedith left the same as being pushed for refusing to answer auestions?

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Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

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Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

Well I'm obviously not going to scum read myself. So when you say "you're on my list of people you're allowed to vote for" the OBVIOUS implication is "only if there's reason to believe pie is a wolf"

But if you listened to what I said, you'd know I'm townreading pie.
Secondly, you're acting as if people wanting to lynch you are being stupid and reacht with the 'im not gonna take a 'lol smith is scum' seriously

But can you really not see any case on you? Do you think scumreading you is something ridiculous?

Hypocrisy is scummy?
Is being pushed for a 'scumslip', (lack of) agression and reduced activity after vedith left the same as being pushed for refusing to answer auestions?

"Is hypocrisy scummy"

Like, no shit? Townies do it sometimes but hypocritical behavior is a scum-tell. Do you actually not believe this to be the case?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p8588675
Look specifically at this one, where he's accusing her of popping in and out at "a convenient time" when it's the same accusation leveled at him (the questions bit seems to be the only substantive difference)

Jeez your misreps.
My activity is low sitewide. Its a thing called the weekend. I don't think you're aware of it.

And this one in defense of his continual low activity when not under pressure, as if somehow it was actually a weekend specific thing.

You said yourself that townies could do it, but often it's a scumtell. I think he's a townie. That's it.

I can agree that his defense is a bit odd, but again, can you only imagine scum doing this?
What about the other part of my question?

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Mhsmith is not a bully, hes a nice dude

He just happened to draw scum

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Chop chop 4 days
All aboard the smith train

Choo choo

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I think most of the pushes on me have been silly

1) "baiting vedith to suicide" (flagrantly false)
2) low activity (even tho it's inside my town meta)
3) pushing Maria on her defensiveness (even though that was a perfectly valid meta question to ask, and again, emphasis there was ASK)
4) a vaguely defined difference from my town meta that I don't recall ever really being clearly laid out

I feel like those were the highlights? And yeah those are shitty cases.

You also presented myself as one of the "allowed" options for me to be scum-reading, which is of course ridiculous.


Wrt shadow, I think "scumslip" is a silly case, but I think asking stupid questions is wolfy (that was something he's done on and off this game), and the activity read was a fair point, and I'm not impressed w his reaction to pressure.

Is that different than kagami not answering his questions? Sure. But I don't see how it's a WEAKER case on him, all the more since you yourself don't seem to think the kagami case is valid.

But those are not the highlights because yes, those are bad reasons. I think you just asking questions and nitpicking on stuff that's not even related to scum (imo), like me asking for the IC's thoughts, which makes me scumread you.

If asking stupid questions is scummy, why don't you scumread me? I've asked stupid questions in your opinion, no?

If it's different from kagami, is it still hypocrisy?

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Nice to see the shadow-Maria counter-wagon settling.

You asked for one, no?

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'Shadow_step - MariaR [4] - Human Sequencer, Ser Arthur Dayne, mhsmith0, Parama'
'The_Jester - MiniDeathStar [3] - pieguyn, Kagami, Nahdia'
OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT LITERALLY EVERYBODY I TOWNREAD IS ON A WAGON ON THE OBVSCUM AND LITERALLY EVERYBODY I DONT ISN'T (except scout because he's ~special~)
This game is so obvious it makes me want to smash my head into a desk as a cute loli.

I'd townblock with this entire list of players except pie/kagami (still unsure).

It's still 8 to lynch guys. We're heading into flash-wagon territory.

Jester is scummy AF. Shadow is scummy AF. Mariar is scummy. MDS is scummy. Why aren't we lynching these pairs.
'Am I being punk'd?'

Im not going on the shadow wagon. If it gets enough votes, ill join in on mds. I have my reads too. Okay i might be wrong, maybe not, we'll see, but at the moment it's antitown for me not to believe in what i'm doing (which i think is the righyt thing)

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Rhythm games, just s click away
Ez

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Same tbh
Both community.and mapping quality wise

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got it ranked about a year ago

in 2016

Pie is lying even when she isnt actually playing mafia
LYNCH THIS




(Secret vote campaigning for mhsmith)

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Calling people out on bullshit things isn't exactly my opinion on pro-town behavious but whatever.

I am NOT voting Shadow-MariaR today. I prefer a no-lynch over that.

If you want to lynch anyone besides MDS - Mhsmith - HS it's without me.

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Not participating in that bee movie bullshit

You already know I will go there.

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I actually expected a nice case on mhsmith or an anticase on mds

FeelsBadMan

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Funnstral y u feed the trolls

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Is smith lynched yet?
No?
*lurks*

You better be damn useful tomorrow.

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Now.

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They will be lynched at some point, true.

That is not now.

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Hey just lynch mhsmith already


I have seen that actually explaining yourself doesn't have any effect here so I'm just gonna post this until it happens

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Hey just lynch mhsmith already


I have seen that actually explaining yourself doesn't have any effect here so I'm just gonna post this until it happens

Kagami/Dunn has a higher chance of flipping scum.

But those are your reads, and everyone has an equal chance of flipping scum. Remember when I was so sure of PE scum? Follow my obvtownlead pls

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Because all i see is 'shadow is scum scumslip agression not doing shit'
And i cant even remember seeing a maria case


Also, do you think mariq went trough the effirt of choosing to match her scumbud out of all requests?

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@scout have you tried reading mariar/shadow yourself?

No, I'm

obviously

just defending them because I feel like it today.


Seriously?

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hey dunn spoilers HS is town

i'll unlazy and do that "HS is town masterpost" at some point

Please do so, I'm curious.

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Kagami is the only lady I can see flipping scum atm

inspectorscout null

So your null reads are town reads?

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Oh so suddenly I'm the backup lynch?

In fact if who I think is scum flips town I actually think arthur could be scum, but so far YOU are the main lynch - also the one I'm trying to prevent.

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oh thats fun

ask your partner about me in green day mafia

also stop thinking in terms of ladies and dudes, just think about players as thats how scum was randomized.

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Can you explain why I'm nullish? You just said that the other ladies are still out-towning me, but you also said that you stopped thinking in terms of ladies/gents?

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Can you explain why I'm nullish? You just said that the other ladies are still out-towning me, but you also said that you stopped thinking in terms of ladies/gents?

To be honest? Because I don't read you and half the time forget you're in this game

now that's what i wanted you to say. if you(re hiding your reasons you're bound to do shit things.

You should read what I write; it may enlighten you.

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do you think there is a possibility that shadow is scum? any.

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A few people have called me scum and haven't really said why but *SHRUG*

same tbh

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dont fucking trashtalk my babe


/me runs

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scout I hate to tell you but you're paired with scum

maybe

but there are people who i think are more likely to be scum
i want them dead first

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honestly sad is still scum too even if by some miracle shadow is town, this is mostly just justifying how they can be scum together but I was already scum reading sad separate from shadow

but shadow is very probably town
i would bet more on shadow being town than on arthur being town

but if i really gotta spend money its on nahdia
i just have a very very very very very very very very very strong gut townread on her, i dont know why.

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okay imma stop shitposting and get to the point
again

MDS' last posts were pretty good

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I don't trust fakegod, he lurks a lot and posts barely any content and whenever he does its just vca

Doesn't look like he's actively scumhunting to me
@sick you share a PT with him what's he saying in there?

i bet very dirty things

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No
Im not participating in this lynch nor am I going to read those walls.
Please stop lynching shadow

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VOTE: mhsmith-pie

This contains scum. I was just wrong about which one of the two.

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I also dont mind my own lynch
I do think mds is town,unsure about jester

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I don't think your progression was townie at all. You went from 'my partner is fine' to, when he got suspicion 'I can't believe he's town'

Only to flip that read - wisely spread out over a few posts - that he is town. Today, she comes out saying that mhsmith shouldnt be lynched before at least 2 town flips - that equals never.

Calling jester 'obvscum lurker' is also a very easy way to get people to vote for your wagon without saying anything useful.

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Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

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Maybe.
Butie is still scum.

Pedit: i'm sorry but who said S-S was town?

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So thats it? My reads are bad? Thats all you're gonna sayabout what I said?

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I never said I disagreed. Tell me where I said that.

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I am pushing this because there is absolutely, absolutely nothing town in his posts. it's beyond nonsensical that he was allowed to live through yesterday because of "lul S_S is scum" "lul I'ma suicide on GE" shenanigans and I want this to happen no longer.

But S_S (almost) got lynched, so using the 'lul S_S scum' argument here is pointless, unless you make it against 6 other people. Threathening with suicide is also not scummy. Why is it scummy for you?


Pedit: I mainly called you scum for your terrible progression on mhsmith. Jester is either an easy target or a bus for towncred.

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Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

^ this pretty decent implies you think that jester is town since he's not on your kill list
Am I wrong?

No, since jester will be lynched afterwards anyway.

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in similar vein, if you want to try to explain the scum read on SAD you can and I'll let you know where I think you're going wrong with it.

The fact that he refused to believe S_S wasnt scum, even though i made valid arguments as to why i thought he wasnt
The fact that he played the 'okay you have the right to say you were right unless youre scum but i dont think you are'
The fact that we are very much townread and have more influence than cerb+ nad but we didnt get killed, and when i asked arthur about if he thought we would get nightkilled he came with some bad excuse as to why we arent a probable nightkill. Before i asked he wanted to read the thread and stuff and had no possible thought of us dying. Who cant die, even if theyre townread? Scum.
The fact that, when I asked him about his reads after flip he said a lot but most was just questions to me like 'what do you think of kagami'


And thats PT only.


Pedit mother of god

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When did she think I was fine? She was pushing on me since super early in her ISO

She never pushed you until that point.

@pie i still dont believe it, im pretty sure there is scum in you-mhsmith.

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@mhsmith:
compare 3371, 3383 and 3422, where she couldnt belive that you are town
to 3634, 3640, 3450 and 3665, where you are town
And her poat today where you shouldnt be lynched anywhere near now.

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the overall story: sad pushed this shadow lynch only when convenient and hopped off at the right time to make the excuse "well i didn't want to lynch him"

This is 100% false though. He never claimed not to be part of the lynch.
He also would lynch S-S today again if he could.

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The fact that he refused to believe S_S wasnt scum, even though i made valid arguments as to why i thought he wasnt

I don't feel as though this is a scum tell in SAD's case; his push on S_S was one of the more reasonable-sounding ones there, and I can't fault him for it at all, not in the same way I fault Parama for inventing a "scum slip" that clearly wasn't a slip.

The fact that he played the 'okay you have the right to say you were right unless youre scum but i dont think you are'

again, I don't feel as though this is a scum tell and I'm not really sure why you think it is.

The fact that we are very much townread and have more influence than cerb+ nad but we didnt get killed, and when i asked arthur about if he thought we would get nightkilled he came with some bad excuse as to why we arent a probable nightkill. Before i asked he wanted to read the thread and stuff and had no possible thought of us dying. Who cant die, even if theyre townread? Scum.

scum effectively had to kill Cv666/Nahdia last night regardless of reads. there was some suspicion on Cv666, but I've said a billion times that all we need in this setup is to identify one town/town pair and make it to endgame. leaving Cv666 alive means that if he was to come back into the thread and start being active and looking really town - and he strongly hinted this is what he was going to do, and that he was largely attempting to appear useless on purpose to dodge a night kill and do exactly this - scum is straight up completely fucked with no recourse.

I don't feel as though you two being alive means anything. me and mhsmith speculated that maybe if Cv666 was scum you two might die, but since he was town he was pretty much the required NK (and a lot of what I did at the end of D1 was me overstating a town read on him because I wanted to force a kill on their pair if they were town in order to avoid "why are they still alive" shenanigans).

The fact that, when I asked him about his reads after flip he said a lot but most was just questions to me like 'what do you think of kagami'

I can't make anything of this unless I have more context/specifics.

Okay, tunneling can come from town.

I think it sounds really awkward and something thats scum would feel like saying because reasons. You may not think of it as a scumtell, but i definitely do.

I dont think that cefb hinted at being more active, but there is no point in discussing that. In fact, i didnt push arthur as scum to try and bait the nightkill as well.

I asked him 'who is scum after the S-S town flip'
He had no solid answers.

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What do you have to say about him not even thinking about being nightkilled?

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When did she think I was fine? She was pushing on me since super early in her ISO

She never pushed you until that point.

@pie i still dont believe it, im pretty sure there is scum in you-mhsmith.

what part don't you believe? and if you don't have any specifics and you're just ignoring me trying to explain to you why you're wrong because you "don't believe it", then don't interact with me, thanks in advance.

Basically your explaination is 'i was emotional, i took a step back and saw the light again'

In what way is that a probable truth that i should believe right away? Its not a solid reason other than 'i was playing bad/emotionally', and I think your progression was scummy, regardless of emotion. I dont think thats inhuman for me to say.

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You may not think of it as a scumtell, but i definitely do.

why?

What do you have to say about him not even thinking about being nightkilled?

what I have to say is literally exactly what I said before. it's fairly common sense that unless the IC pairs with scum or there are extenuating circumstances that make leaving the IC pair alive viable, the IC pair is just the standard kill in this setup because leaving it alive has the potential to completely fuck scum over if the other person gets widely recognized as town.

Why i think of it as a scumtell is because its forced, and there is no reason for an experienced townie to say it. Its like scum often ask in their pt what their lovers think of their attackers and their scumbuddies

Your explaination is fine, but if you are the most townread/active pair there should be SOMETHING that crosses your mind, no? You also have no way of knowing if the IC is paired with scum, or if scum try to wifom by not killing the IC, or they kill someone else to silence them. There are so many other possibilities that you ignore - and so did he.

Basically your explaination is 'i was emotional, i took a step back and saw the light again'

In what way is that a probable truth that i should believe right away? Its not a solid reason other than 'i was playing bad/emotionally', and I think your progression was scummy, regardless of emotion. I dont think thats inhuman for me to say.

I mean, if you wanna be a bad player and ignore that mafia is just an emotional game sometimes, go for it.

you could also just ask HS.

I dont, i get emotional too.
I just think that a major part of the progression - not necessarily the emotion - was fake.

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I dont think that cefb hinted at being more active, but there is no point in discussing that. In fact, i didnt push arthur as scum to try and bait the nightkill as well.

see: 3668

Slightly farfetched, but fine


Arthur: PT.