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Dodge, I don't see it. Why is narna scum? I hope you're not stretching the "can be scum" line to say it's an active decision to scum read me rather than a statement of a read. That's the closest I can come to figuring it out.
Leon, mcmenno's action wasn't a joke. See the mod's next post. Thinkbig is "gone" unless someone stops it.
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I can see scum finding humor in an ability being outted on page 1. I don't see how it's funny for town.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Dodge, I'm gonna have to disagree with your narna point. The smackdown thread has more happening than here, or at least more posts, and opened before us. So having a few thoughts there first makes sense.
Also, for the record, smackdown is moving way too fast for me to keep up with so I won't have anything to say about it any time soon.
Leon, I got that. See the post where I voted you.
Oh fuck, don't tell me nero is post restricted. That's so hard to get a read on. Although putting real thoughts after all of it the way he is should help.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I mean, I don't agree with him either, but why is he scummy for it?In post 85, Not_An_McMenno_Hydra wrote:Dodge's attempts to diffuse people from reading the other thread and calling people scum for doing it are scummy as FUCK.
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Can we, like, not do these submissions so early? Holy shit...In post 92, KuroiXHF wrote:AND SHE'S DONE IT! LITA TRAPPED RANDY ORTON IN HER REAR NAKED CHOKE!
(expired on 2016-12-24 17:17:00) until Banana Mint can vote.
(expired on 2016-12-24 17:17:00) until Banana Mint taps out, unless one can stop it.
Narna, can you elaborate on your Leon town read? He's the only person who has seemed even remotely scummy to me so far. Actually, if you could elaborate on all alone too, that would be cool.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Malpas might be scum for such outrage at being voted without any attempt to scum hunt All Alone based on it.
Narna, I think All Alone's defense of thinkbig is fine. No one wants to die in a game they just started except people that probably shouldn't be playing. So, yes, it's obvious why that wasn't funny to thinkbig. Then again, it's similar to my thinking so maybe I'm looking at All Alone the same way you are looking at Leon. The "agrees with me so must be town" bias is a real thing.
Almost Chara, I fully understand what you are saying about Smackdown, but I just don't have the hours of free time to keep up with a thread that is moving at the pace that theirs is. If they draft me, they'll be getting someone who can't keep up with the thread. I'm perfectly happy here. It's not laziness. It's a matter of free time which is why I cut back on games, at one point playing in zero. ISOing whoever comes here shouldn't be a problem though.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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So we always want to draft town and if they draft scum, it's good for us. A scum win in Smackdown doesn't hurt Raw. Just don't draft me lol.
Preview edit: Maybe, but when I vote, I strongly prefer that the player I vote tell me that themselves.
And yes, I'm leaning town on All Alone as much as post 88 was annoying.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I actually agree with Titus about sending obvtowns back and forth. Maybe if smackdown has an obvtown who isn't working well with everyone else or if we get someone like that, they can be the one moved. Like if people are butting heads but townreading each other.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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If someone were to focus completely on smackdown and ignore this thread, that would be scummy. Wanting to be informed about what is going on there and keeping others informed is fine. I'm not 100% sure if that's what Dodge is trying to say or not, but if he is I agree and people don't seem to be understanding him. Dodge, feel free to correct me if I'm the one misreading.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Ms columbo, my town read on lil is news to me. I didn't realize I had much of a read on him. So thanks for clearing that up. Also, yeah, thinkbig town is my steongest town read in the game. It's obvious why he was so bothered by mcmenno's action, but if you can't figure out why, I'm not going into it. Maybe scum can't figure it out either. The replace out is a bit more than mildly annoying though. This kind of thing is why people who replace out shouldn't be allowed to join new games for at least a month.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Reading some smackdown stuff:
Titus, I know this is a really late answer, but pepto pinged me for seeming unhappy with town having a lot of power (Post 18)
Got through 12 pages. I took notes, so if anyone wants specifics, I've got them. But here are some quick reads:
-pepto is still scum
-I'm having trouble reading grey. didn't like his alban vote. finisher was better. I'm on the fence here
-I started to scum read maria, but changed my mind. she's town
-I am innocent is obvtown
-townreading alban
-scumreading gamma
-creature is probtown
-efiend might be scum. at the very least, I want more reasoning with his reads
-Titus weak gut town read.
-kain maybe scum but hard to read
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Narna, no. Not interested in drafting Kain.
Nero, you made it sound like I was dumb for voting Mal, so I assumed you had a town read. I mean, voting scum is kind of not dumb. I agree that I Am Innocent would be a good draft pick.
Leon, not sure what you're getting at. Thinkbig is obvtown. Ms Columbo might be town. If you don't get the part you bolded, oh well. It's not something I want to talk about.
Mcmenno, it looks like they might have a modkill coming. I don't see where it happened, but Titus says that Vifam quoted private communication with the Mod.
Penguinos, I don't think thinkbig replaced out because of pressure. He was just bored with the game. So he probably shouldn't have signed up to begin with.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Neither alignment is more or less likely to not see someone replaced. You could argue that a me/you team is unlikely because you'd notice your scumbuddy leave, but that's about it.
I want to point out that with a week to deadline, we don't have a single wagon above two and should consolidate. The problem is I don't even know where to vote that will make that happen.
Also, massive and titus what the fuck no don't draft me. I'll never be able to keep up with the pace of that game. I'll be completely useless to you there in more ways than one. Like role related stuff doesn't work there either.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Nah, you're fine. My frustration is with Thinkbig. I know how hard it is for a Mod.In post 246, KuroiXHF wrote:
I don't know what to say. I'm working on it. I'm even offering to cross-replace.In post 244, Kmd4390 wrote:Mod, any word on a replacement for thinkbig who just signed up for another game?
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Real thoughts would be cool
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Mal, yesIn post 267, Narna wrote:Who is willing to voteblock semi active people with me finishing a low content poster like penguin, Mal, or light?
a) I want to break the game by townblocking up and lynching who only we want to lynch.
b) I want to force some of the nobodies into defending their townreads or scumbiddies.
c) This is fucking RAW. We need some tag team action.
Penguin, maybe
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I feel like we might be jumping harder on this than normal because we need a jump start, but it's a good enough reason for a wagon at this stage in the day.
Unvote, Vote penguino
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That's...exactly the opposite of what I was saying. It's fast, but I'm good with it. A Penguin lynch is fine. I wouldn't put them at L-1 if I was against the lynch. By "this stage in the day", I meant we were way too close to deadline to not have any major wagons as I've pointed out recently.In post 309, Almost Chara wrote:
this feels like an attempt to say the wagon is too fast, without actually saying it. i don't like the line. strange to see this thought followed immediately by a vote.In post 299, Kmd4390 wrote:I feel like we might be jumping harder on this than normal because we need a jump start, but it's a good enough reason for a wagon at this stage in the day.
do you want Penguin lynched or don't you? what do you mean by stage in the day.
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Nero can you be more specific? To me, it just looks like someone who doesn't agree with a wagon and maybe doesn't understand that no lynch is the alternative. Do you see any scum motivation in what he did, considering penguin was town? I honestly don't.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Nero it's not as simple as "HE GOT A READ RIGHT HES TOWN HURHURHUR". Weird that a 2009 date could think that's what I was saying (see I can do that too). It's just I can see him having a town read and thinking "wait, bad lynch". The fact that he didn't want that lynch to go through doesn't make him scum. I'm not even saying it makes him town. I just don't see how it's this big obvscum kind of thing that he didn't want penguin lynched. If your argument is that he did it for town cred, you're going to have to show why it's fake town cred rather than a genuine town action and you really haven't done that.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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That he compromised to avoid a no lynch. That he didn't feel like he could stop the lynch on his own. It feels like he didn't agree but didn't have anything better.
Malpas because I can't come up with anything better in this ghost town of a thread.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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That's like 99% of day 1 mislynchesIn post 427, Vifam wrote:
I doubt scum passed up an easy wagon like Penguin, id say there's a high chance of one being there at the very leastNero Cain wrote:TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!
lol no.
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I do. I've used that statistic for years and I can only remember three games where town was lynched day 1 without scum on the wagon.In post 430, Vifam wrote:Wow you think so?
Nero, you're right. My vote was a wagon hop. Look at my posting prior to the vote. A wagon was what we needed and that's what I was saying before that one picked up.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Meh, 75% is pretty good but I don't know if it's sheep worthy...In post 453, Nero Cain wrote:TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!
The opening riffs ofThe Gameby Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.
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Sorry but I'm not convinced. I don't blame him for being more interested in who he's voting than he is in himself. That's regardless of alignment. He's pretty dead set on getting Lil lynched, so of course he'd rather have your opinion on that than discuss his own alignment.In post 469, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Hi guys. I made a great case against Nero. Instead of entertaining his fake read, why not engage me on my real one?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Almost, meh. I don't think it was a calculated attempt at town cred. I think he just didn't scum read penguin and it's really that simple. Yes, he should have provided an alternative. But he didn't and all that shows, to me, is suboptimal play. Not some hidden agenda. Until the penguin case, not one of us had presented anything that stuck, so I don't really fault lil for not being able to do that.
And if he wanted to NK you as scum, why would that question be in thread early Day 2 and not in a scum PT Night 1?
Dodge, you're going to have to reword that if you want my opinion then. I understood it as you thinking that Nero was deflecting because he started talking to you about Lil after you mentioned scum reading him.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Nero, I dunno man. I don't agree with your case and I've said why. I'm not gonna sit here and defend lil when my read on him is kind of iffy. I'm just not convinced his actions around you and penguin are definitely scum minded.
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I'm technically back Thursday, but not sleeping that morning after work and busy all day so I'll be pretty useless as a human being that day (or at least more useless than normal) and doubt I'll do much, if anything, here.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Malpa's 524 is bad in so many ways. I don't like the discrediting of the town reads on mcmenno by saying we all assume scum would never use abilities. I don't like things being shrugged off as WIFOM. I don't like the way he says anyone who says mcmenno is obvtown didn't read that post, rather than just disagreed with it. It feels like malpa is just intimidated by a large group of widely townread players which maybe makes me think we are on the right track with that and POE might be enough here (note that if malpa is town that's not necessarily true. Also note that, ironically enough, this would make mcmenno even more obvtown if malpa is scum).
Dodge, Penguin's situation was nothing groundbreaking. The town flip wasn't a shock. It was a deadline lynch and we shouldn't act like it was anything more. That's why I'm not surprised Nero's reads didn't change. Hell, my own didn't. Also, where do you think I've refused to take a stance? I'm only really unsure on Lil(leaning town though), banana mint who hasn't done anything, and vifam who just got here.
Almost chara, pretty sure I see what you are doing here:
Unlynchable: pepchoninga
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