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Town is at a very tough spot, yes.
Not lynching Narna's "clears" (I am aware they are not actual clears), I thought was something that was subliminally agreed upon. I'm not necessarily agreeing to leaving out Narna's clears out of today's lynch pool either. Who's lynch are you for? We have limited time and we need a consensus on a lynch.-
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At this late in the game when town is in such a precarious position, we need answers and we need them now.
I'm skeptical about this circle jerk because it could lead into even more confusion and less answers. I think in that situation it is very easily for someone to lie about their results and slide by through however much of this game is left.
Do I have a better idea? No. However, do I think better ideas exist? Yes.
Unfortunately, I think lynching someone within that circle jerk is our best option, it gives us truthful information immediately. Even one of Narna's "clears" could do.-
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Did we even hear from Gio or Narna about this? I think that that makes this statement invalid.In post 9309, MathBlade wrote:
Lynching within the circle jerk is ridiculous. *blinks*In post 9307, BigYoshiFan wrote:At this late in the game when town is in such a precarious position, we need answers and we need them now.
I'm skeptical about this circle jerk because it could lead into even more confusion and less answers. I think in that situation it is very easily for someone to lie about their results and slide by through however much of this game is left.
Do I have a better idea? No. However, do I think better ideas exist? Yes.
Unfortunately, I think lynching someone within that circle jerk is our best option, it gives us truthful information immediately. Even one of Narna's "clears" could do.
JaeReed is a dumb lynch because I can tell everyone how he checks. That makes me a dumb lynch. Similar for Narna and Gio. We learn more with them alive and deviates from the plan would be in trouble if we didn't discuss it before hand.
Time is ticking and I notice only those outside the clears have a problem with it. I wonder why.-
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He has votes and at this point, if we can get Ank to kill someone, that's better than a NL. Would you agree with that?In post 9322, JaeReed wrote:
Ok, so why Pere? Is there a case? This is just a vote on lynchbait disguised as a deadline lynch and it's so easy for scum to get away with that at this point.In post 9317, BigYoshiFan wrote:Just lynch someone and let Ank hammer. I think a NL will leave town at an even greater disadvantage.
VOTE: PV-
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Yes, okay, sorry. I'm so slow today. *slaps himself* *grabs second ice pack*In post 9492, Nahdia wrote:It's fine.
BYF, I'm really not opposed to jailing you it's just, Jae is potentially cleared tonight so I kind of presumed I would be parking on them.-
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As of this post the only hard town reads I have are A50 and JaeReed.In post 9662, callforjudgement wrote:@BigYoshiFan: I was rereading you (as you're only very slightly confirmed) and realised that I don't know what many of your reads are. What are they, especially on the unconfirmed players (PV and Almost50) and players with confirmed role but not alignment (Gio and SirCakez)?
Not as strong townreads include your slot, Nahdia, and depending on what else I read and some question I will probably soon ask, maybe Ankamius.
I had a slight townread just by the tone of PV's posts, willing to discard that. More of a null until he's claimed.
SirCakez, Gio, and MathBlade are all wild cards for me. I'm having a hard time making scumreads because I still don't know for sure what factions exist or how results were tampered with. SirCakez probably the least scumread. Now, just some speculations I've made...
Convenient Gio checked MathBlade since Narna died and couldn't confirm a clear and also when they arguably need the clear the most now.
Gio acknowledges his lack of reads in his last post but makes no effort to make anymore, instead using his votes and lynches to defend himself.
CFJ townreads him for that.
MathBlade continuously defends themself by using Gio's clear as an alibi. Also thinks SirCakes is obvtown. How?
Has PV claimed yet? If not, could we at least wait for a claim before we start spouting PV IS GOING TO BE THE LYNCH, and perhaps instead asking for a claim? cough cough MathBlade
Also, my shift key is broken. I've had to copy and paste question marks from sources. I can capitalize but I can't use certain punctuation marks and it bugs me. Bare with me. XD-
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Well, still, that is primary evidence that not all town has to win with town.In post 9676, MathBlade wrote:Only Town wins with town. I don't think Ank is town.-
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Is this expressing a TR on Gio? Also, what stops Gio from being a mafia follower? He could have claimed this for towncred and tried to kill Narna N5, which failed, then decided again to kill Narna on N6. Given Narna's supposed derp, people weren't necessarily believing Narna's claims.In post 9555, MathBlade wrote:
Gio claimed even night Weak Follower who followed Maxous N2 and Narna on N4. Narna having flipped Town means Gio can't have been lying to protect Narna. Either his entire claim is bogus and happened to guess with no evidence Maxous was ascetic or he is telling the truth.In post 9551, callforjudgement wrote:
Can you explain the reasoning on Gio in more detail? I must have missed when that happened.In post 9549, MathBlade wrote:So we know Narna got could not kills on Creeps slot and Nahdia slot and Accountant slot. JaeReed slot is out because of VT check claim Gio is out because of Maxous ascetic D2 check.-
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I can, but would you rather PV answer? I think there is a misunderstanding.In post 9683, callforjudgement wrote:@PeregrineV: #8869 seems to imply that you think some dead players got culted. That makes very little sense, as far as I can tell; Skullduggery's a competent enough mod to ensure that cultedness would show in a flip (given that we apparently have no other way to determine it or even that a cult exists), and a cult wouldn't target a player who'd already died for recruitment. Can you explain what's going on there?
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And this third-party is Ank or PV or both? I'm confuzzled on your reads.In post 9687, MathBlade wrote:
At this point I doubt there is a group scum. Too many people are clear. I suspect all the evil is 3P.In post 9684, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Is this expressing a TR on Gio? Also, what stops Gio from being a mafia follower? He could have claimed this for towncred and tried to kill Narna N5, which failed, then decided again to kill Narna on N6. Given Narna's supposed derp, people weren't necessarily believing Narna's claims.In post 9555, MathBlade wrote:
Gio claimed even night Weak Follower who followed Maxous N2 and Narna on N4. Narna having flipped Town means Gio can't have been lying to protect Narna. Either his entire claim is bogus and happened to guess with no evidence Maxous was ascetic or he is telling the truth.In post 9551, callforjudgement wrote:
Can you explain the reasoning on Gio in more detail? I must have missed when that happened.In post 9549, MathBlade wrote:So we know Narna got could not kills on Creeps slot and Nahdia slot and Accountant slot. JaeReed slot is out because of VT check claim Gio is out because of Maxous ascetic D2 check.-
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EBWOPIn post 9709, BigYoshiFan wrote:Well, I think CFJ has hinted thattheywanta claim. PV being a dog is something he claimed himself. All in all, you're right though, it wasn't verbatim. I agreed with everything CFJ said in regards to what they said about PV, isn't that really what it's about.
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I don't mind a Cakez lynch.In post 9816, callforjudgement wrote:Currently the way I see things going, SirCakez is, if not confirmed as town somehow (and I'm not sure we have any way left to confirm him other than Gio's shot which will take far too long), most likely going to get lynched tomorrow. I'd say they're more of a near-certain lynch than A50 is. So if people generally agree with both lynches and are just looking to order them, I'd rather lynch SirCakez first. It seems much more likely that we'd get a scumflip there than by lynching A50, and we really badly need a scumflip at this point (both to make sense of the setup, and simply because it places us closer to winning).
PV, would you be willing to unvote A50? (A50, would you be willing to unvote yourself?) I know I said I wasn't planning to fight this lynch, but I changed my mind; pseudodeathproofing a townie really isn't worth spending a mislynch, especially as we have no idea how many mislynches we have left.
PEDIT: @SirCakez: Quickhammers are most effective when people don't hold you responsible for them. Given the number of people who either a) are being pressured to hammer by the rest of the thread, or b) have hammer-dependent roles, putting someone at L-1 in this game is very close to hammering, so placing them at L-2 is the best it's possible to do to increase the chances of someone's lynch whilst being able to blame it on someone else.
Also, I had a thought:
@BigYoshiFan: What happens if youattempt tohammer someone? (I know you're not capable of hammering, but what happens if you try?)
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I have had thoughts similar to this.In post 9828, callforjudgement wrote:So, a few hours ago, while offline, I had a realisation that might make sense of this game.
Is it possible that SirCakez, Mathblade, and Gio are all currently scum together (perhaps not over the entire course of the game)? Or am I missing something? This would seem to explain everything that didn't add up this game. If there's a night result contradicting that, let me know. Otherwise I'm going to try to build a case, because it seems to explain away a lot of anomalies I've been seeing. (This theory also has the advantage that it explains three scum; we'd expect to see either three or four at this stage of the game, given one scumflip, and thus it's quite possibly lylo.)-
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My poor high school brain cannot process what is being said here. Can you talk down for me?In post 9838, MathBlade wrote:....This is horrible. I provide a plan to figure out people's alignments in the hood and all of a sudden a SirCakez wagon starts? That can't be a coincidence. Especially since CFJ expresses no problems with the plan in the hood then all of a sudden miraculously has problems with it. If we have enough confirmed townies post Maxous this game breaks.
Again me and Gio is dumb for reasons I already pointed out.
Me Gio and SirCakez is even crazier because then SirCakez as scum would give away a lot of scum power to town repeatedly ad infinitem. The only way SirCakez is scum is post Maxous and there would be 0 reason for me to bus post Maxous and same with Gio. I don't see scum leaving a can't kill check alive that long post Maxous. This theory requires me to be scum with Maxous alone preflip and bus him. I know I am good as scum but there is no way in hell I would try to win against that many people alone as a claimed Bulletproof.
That theory is just insane and either you are derping or don't want to confirm that many townies. I has a plan to confirm peoples. Give me a chance.-
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At the moment, I don't care who the lynch is as long as it is in Math, Gio, or SirCakez. That theory is not fullproof and I think lynching Gio or Math would provide us with more interactions and "clears" to analyze, but because SirCakez has 2 votes and I don't see any potential for a Gio lynch I will move my vote.
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And in doing so we have a townie (most likely in my opinion) lynched and another night-killed (also, most likely in my opinion). I don't think we can afford that. Also, if it is a widespread opinion that A50 is town, then leaving him as the annoying dog doesn't seem as consequential as lynching him and making Jae the annoying dog.In post 9839, MathBlade wrote:We need to confirm Yoshi can't hammer and then JaeReed hammers so that way we have conf townie protected from the NK.-
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But not me?In post 9851, SirCakez wrote:CFJ being scum trying to get the wagon off his scumbuddy A50 would make a shitload of sense here.-
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In post 9508, SirCakez wrote: With all of the debate over A50, Yoshi and PV I think this is the safest bet for scum nowIn post 8502, SirCakez wrote:
This claim seems fake as hellIn post 8396, BigYoshiFan wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
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I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.
Where did your scumread on me go?In post 8400, BigYoshiFan wrote:Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.
As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.
^ thisIn post 8457, Accountant wrote:yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies
Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town
I think town in this scenario would be a lot more cooperative, no?
Yes, you clearly thought I was townie for my claim.In post 9553, SirCakez wrote:Narna/Creeps FFS
Not Chara town flip is unsurprising though
Since Narna was town that basically confirms an investigation result manipulator I believe?
I think scum is in (A50, PV, Callforjudgement, Ank) at this point, with a small chance of Yoshi scum if there was a nokill gambit to "clear" him.-
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Whom you are both accusing as being third-party members, correct?In post 9861, MathBlade wrote:This also means that if Maxous was not the killer at the start of the game it has to be Ank or Nahdia FMPOV.-
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I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Shiro was kept alive; therefore, Gio is more townie?In post 9860, MathBlade wrote:
Partially but also how he did. Shiro was an outed rolecop and wasn't killed. This gives credence to Gio Town as well as if Gio was lying about being a weak follower Shiro would have been a threat N3. Instead he is able to check Cakez and be in the hood. This means Gio was not with Maxous.In post 9856, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, are you claiming that Gio is cleared because he called out Maxous as an ascetic?