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Who's your daddy, mafiascum?
The Showstopper! The Main Event! The Icon! Yours truly, The Heartbreak Kid, Shawn Michaels!
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It's not a dayvig, considering another player could stop it if they wanted to.
Vote: Mcmenno
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Alternatively, we can also vote this. When you see it...In post 20, Narna wrote:Mcmenno is looking towny. Kmd can be scum though.
VOTE: Kmd4390
Spoiler: Smackdown-
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It's a Mod confirmed ability. Preytell, how is it a joke?In post 32, Penguinos wrote:
Meh. TB is an overly serious player when it comes to the rules, so that kind of response is natural for him. Doesn't make me lean one way or the other.In post 31, Leonshade wrote:McMenno's dayvig thing is an obvjoke, don't like ThinkBig's overreaction to it.-
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Oh no it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with not giving any real reads on this game, but deciding the other game was more important to give a read for. (I don't really count this vote on you as much of a read, but that's not the point)In post 45, Kmd4390 wrote:Dodge, I don't see it. Why is narna scum? I hope you're not stretching the "can be scum" line to say it's an active decision to scum read me rather than a statement of a read. That's the closest I can come to figuring it out.
In fact I doubt it was a decision to have a read on anything. This screams "I need to post a read for the sake of posting a read" with the added bonus of posting a read for the other game, so as to not commit themselves to anything solid against this playerlist yet. Like a bad boyfriend, I find lack of commitment to anything extremely sketchy.
The other game isn't really relevant to what we're doing here, so I am already inclined to treat anyone who spends a significant amount of time trying to interact with the other game so early as scum. What makes Narna so egregious here though is that he does it on Page 1 to try and normalize this under productive behavior early. (Mcmenno notwithstanding, but his sin has nothing to do with his foray into the other game)-
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That's just a poor rendition of the opening lyrics to Randy Orton's theme song.
Should read
I hear voices in my head,
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Eh, the situation changed a bit on his part.In post 72, Leonshade wrote:Ms Columbo's questions are a bit awkward, but they're the kinds of questions I could see a newb asking when trying to figure people out.
@DodgeTheSaint:Post 53 reads like you scumread McMenno, I'd like to hear why.-
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The Heartbreak Kid would like to remind you that this is bad and you should feel bad Titus. Encouraging wasting time on the other threadIn post 482, Titus wrote:I am in 100% agreement on the vote on Vifam. That's why I moved mine. Both you and Vifam have encouraged not commenting on the RAW thread. At first, I thought you were just being lazy, but it appears you have read the thread. So why are you avoiding and discouraging active comments on the RAW thread? Grey's points about preventing vocal scum from dominating one thread by having players read both are spot on.at this stage of the gameis pro-scum. Stop trying to normalize anti-town play. (or you know, carry on if this plays into your win condition) I know you're reading, so feel free to quote this. I'm only stepping in because I have nothing better to do, please don't expect this to happen often unless you continue to lead the town around in anti-town behavior. Okay, TTYL.-
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In post 76, Nero Cain wrote:TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!
The opening riffs ofThe Gameby Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.
I am disappointed in every single one of you since no one congratulated me on my first promo. Maria is scum because she is being way to jokey. I know that people, especially, Titus will question my read but its a read that I feel comfortable with.-
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No, there's two things you're missing. First, Narna gives shallow reads. That screams "I'm giving reads for the sake of giving them". Second, it's an attempt to normalize anti-town behavior on Page 1. This also ties back into the first point as well. It's an attempt to look to be productivewithout actually being productive.-
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Mcenno's lack of reading comprehension is scummy as fuck!
See I can do it too! Except what I just said is ACTUALLY representative of your posts!-
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Why is 'it was page fucking one' an excuse for anything? If a player scumslipped on page 1, would that be an okay excuse?
I'm accusing you of fake content for the sake of faking content, and attempting to normalize behavior that is anti-town. Keep up.-
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Explain this please.In post 90, Narna wrote:
big mistakeIn post 26, DodgeTheSaint wrote:It's not a dayvig, considering another player could stop it if they wanted to.
Vote: Mcmenno
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Why does that matter? You can't do shit over there, and neither can I. This is exactly why this behavior is counter-productive. Who gives a fuck who's scum on Smackdown? That's not our game. What happens over there has no bearing on what happens over here. This is why I called you out "on page 1". We have scum in this thread, and if you're town you shouldn't care what's going on over there, nor what other people think about what's going on over there.
I know it seems like the 'town' thing to do...but that's only if you don't think about it for more than 5 seconds. Then you realize, worrying about the other game is just a distraction. Read it? Yes. You want to know generally what's going on over there sure. Give it any bit of your attention? Absolutely not. If you're town, your ONLY focus should be finding the scum in THIS game.-
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Why are you the first person to get this? Thank you. It's not a difficult concept.In post 101, Narna wrote:
What was faked in my opening posts? Multiple people agreed that kmd pinged them.In post 97, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Why is 'it was page fucking one' an excuse for anything? If a player scumslipped on page 1, would that be an okay excuse?
I'm accusing you of fake content for the sake of faking content, and attempting to normalize behavior that is anti-town. Keep up.Are you suggesting I faked my Titus read to normalise talking to the other thread?-
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Well I'd half expect Titus to think the behavior would be good for the town if she was town. I also think she'd recognize it to be counter-productive if she wasn't. I don't know if I'm giving her too much credit, but whatever. Again what they do over there, doesn't really matter here.
I think maybe what I'm failing to communicate is not that 'only scum would think it's a good idea', because it does seem appealing from a town perspective. What I was suggesting, and you just became the unfortunate player to do it first, that surface level interacting with the other thread isn't meaningful, and easily fake. All you did was say 'titus is town'. That is shallow, and easily faked. I'm not expecting anyone to have solid reads on their first post, and that is kind of the point. It's one of those things scum do, giving reads for the sake of giving them, because it looks good. I'm suggesting that you gave that surface level read in an effort to look good, rather than to help the cause of anyone.
Pedit: Fine, I can understand your perspective.
So now that we're on the same page, is five pages enough for you to develop some reads?-
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Keep hold of that thought, we'll come back to it later.In post 110, Narna wrote:I think we could have gotten more reactions from players and especially Thinkbig had his submission gotten closer to the deadline. I personally wanted more than some omgus for him to get out of it.-
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No, no, we're going to argue this point, because you don't understand the point.In post 144, Not_An_McMenno_Hydra wrote:about dodge
it's fine to not read the other thread, it's not fine to call people who do it unproductive and antitown
this is a matter that I will let rest for now
for now I want to
VOTE: ms columbo
~memester memeo
It's honestly mind boggling. Should my expectations be that Mcmenno doesn't actually process the things he reads and adjust accordingly?
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I'm trying really hard not to be condescending in my posts, so the least you guys can do is read what I'm saying in exchange.
I'm gonna spell it out for you here in Post #159. Pedit: #160 now.
Reading Smackdown is fine, and probably a smart thing to do. I'm reading the thread in real time just as much as anyone else should.
Doing anything with SD that doesn't have a direct benefit for us here on RAW is antitown. What happens on Smackdown doesn't mean shit to most of us. If you're on RAW you scumhunt here. If you're on RAW, your focus is here. That means substituting productivity in our thread by hunting in theirs is unacceptable. You only need to read Titus' posts on Smackdown to see this in action. She is substituting substantial contributions on SD to try and "look town" by "helping" RAW. Right now she cares more about hijacking the drafting process than hunting the scum in her thread.
If anyone tries that on this brand, you're getting lynched.
So McMenno, Lil Uzi, and anyone else who is still confused. If you're on RAW you better be focused on RAW. I will not allow anyone in this thread to try and scumhunt on SD and pass that off as protown play.-
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Nah, the activity in this thread is really perfect right now.
Here was my thought process coming into the game.
Me: Scum always look for the easy way to make posts. What's the easy way in this game? "Scumhunting" the other thread. Okay. I can respond one of two ways. One, I can let players do it for a bit, and try to catch them out on it. Two, I can attack the first player to do it, judge reactions, and generally just try to shut it down.
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Changed because votes break submissions. I digested the ability as needing another player to use an ability to break it. To me, he was fishing for someone else to use their ability to break the submission, because no way we'd allow someone to be killed in the first 48. A single vote breaking submissions surprised me.In post 177, Leonshade wrote:At least this thread is easy to catch up on.
VOTE: DodgeTheSaint
First, I'd still like to hear an answer to this question:
In post 128, Leonshade wrote:
Changed how?In post 74, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
Eh, the situation changed a bit on his part.In post 72, Leonshade wrote:Ms Columbo's questions are a bit awkward, but they're the kinds of questions I could see a newb asking when trying to figure people out.
@DodgeTheSaint:Post 53 reads like you scumread McMenno, I'd like to hear why.
First, I'm right about this, so you can slow you roll there buddy. Furthermore, once players started reading what I was writing instead of going "Dodge is telling us not to read...SCUM", it turns out that THEY AGREE. But sure, let's pretend that I'm backing off because 'everyone disagrees'. When you join me in the reality of this game, let me know.Second, I don't like your ISO. Most of your ISO is yammering on about the topic of interaction with the other thread, and while your negative viewpoint on it is NAI, the way you talk about it isn't. First, your talking points on the topic are too general, it's mechanics talk/information instead of analysis. Second, 162 reads disingenuous:
In post 162, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Nah, the activity in this thread is really perfect right now.
Here was my thought process coming into the game.
Me: Scum always look for the easy way to make posts. What's the easy way in this game? "Scumhunting" the other thread. Okay. I can respond one of two ways. One, I can let players do it for a bit, and try to catch them out on it.Two, I can attack the first player to do it, judge reactions, and generally just try to shut it down.
I chose my second option, for better or worse.
You seem to be backing off your original point now that it's obvious everyone disagrees with it. Also, you claim that you "attacked" the first player as a reaction test and to try to shut down this antitown behavior, but that's not even what happened:
I cannot help you if you don't know the difference between someone sorting a player, and someone going 'lol reaction test'. Guess which one I actually did? (here's a hint: I interacted with a player, was satisfied, and moved on.) Still don't know? Well okay.
You threw shade at Narna to start things off. You later tried to use it as a scumtell, but then you backed off of that after your interactions with Narna. But you don't say you changed your mind, you say "lol reaction test"? That's BS.In post 27, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
Alternatively, we can also vote this. When you see it...In post 20, Narna wrote:Mcmenno is looking towny. Kmd can be scum though.
VOTE: Kmd4390
Spoiler: Smackdown-
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[quote="In post 204, Leonshade"][/quote]
Other than your interpretation of my interaction with Narna not matching to what I'm saying, I think you understand the course of events pretty well. Sure Post #27 wasn't much of an attack. At that point in time, my thoughts about McMenno were more important to me, so I was pinging Narna's post more than attacking it. Attacking is not really the right word, I don't feel like I was attacking Narna personally, I was intending to attack a certain behavior (that at this point we all seem to get and agree one so...) that I thought was potentially on display. When Narna explained her thoughts, it was clear to me she wasn't doing it just to 'look town'. Anyway, once someone else (KMD) responded to #27, I elaborated a bit. I didn't elaborate why I voted McMenno until recently either, as I was getting accusations that I voted him to break his finisher (something I didn't realize right away would happen) and didn't correct them until you asked directly. I don't believe it's beneficial for me, or the town, for me to make my posts and my thoughts the most important posts and thoughts of the thread. That doesn't mean I don't believe my ideals are important, (they are, hence the two thread thing) but I'm not going to (or not intending to) to bring it to such a level that it takes away from anyone's ability to play the game.-
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It was me making a note of it and inviting others to give any input before I gave my interpretation. Hence the 'when you see it you'll shit bricks' meme. As in 'if you see what I see, you'll find it scummy'. Sometimes I like to use memes and one-liners to say things because I find it hilarious and or ridiculous. And sometimes people react hilariously (though that's just a perk).In post 217, Leonshade wrote:
Agreed that that's what #27 looks like.In post 216, DodgeTheSaint wrote: Other than your interpretation of my interaction with Narna not matching to what I'm saying, I think you understand the course of events pretty well. Sure Post #27 wasn't much of an attack. At that point in time, my thoughts about McMenno were more important to me, so I was pinging Narna's post more than attacking it.
So #27 simply pinged you, but later on you attacked Narna's behavior, as you talked about in #162? I'll need to re-read your interactions with Narna, but that makes more sense.In post 216, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Attacking is not really the right word, I don't feel like I was attacking Narna personally, I was intending to attack a certain behavior (that at this point we all seem to get and agree one so...) that I thought was potentially on display. When Narna explained her thoughts, it was clear to me she wasn't doing it just to 'look town'. Anyway, once someone else (KMD) responded to #27, I elaborated a bit.
Alright, I'll chew on this. In the meantime, I'd like to hear who you're scumreading at the moment.
I know a lot of people are writing off McMenno's power dump as RVS nonsense, and I get that instinct. I don't like writing anything off as RVS nonsense though. (yes I know what you're thinking, I just said I post things because I find them hilarious, difference for me is the substance behind) I don't know about you guys, but when I read my Role PM I didn't assume that everyone had the same two powers. Here I was thinking I drew a modified dayvig, and had to use it responsibly. I explained my initial reaction to his use (in that I thought A) I'm town, he has the scum version of my powers and B) I figured he was trying to get someone else to waste a power to counter this). But as you pointed out, I spent a fair amount of posts on Narna. One thing I didn't do though was move my vote. I may not have known that everyone had the same two powers, but scum probably did. I think the lack of responsibility with the power doesn't come from 'the lulz' but with the understanding that multiple players had the power and it wasn't so special.
Other than that, no one has this 'aha' scum moment like Mcmenno does. I'd probably be more willing to lean on 'he was just doing RVS nonsense' if he was producing anything at all since then. His posts really just consist of glossing over this thread, and saying he doesn't know what's going on. I don't subscribe to the theory that every post a scum player makes is scummy. So right now, other scum players are not making those posts/not really posting.-
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No I'm not faulting him for lack of presence, that's vague and not really descriptive.In post 272, Leonshade wrote:.-
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That's not the theory at all, but thanks for playing.In post 295, Penguinos wrote:So can we talk about this whole theory that I'm lurking and not offering reads because I'm scum?-
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Now's a good time to talk about the draft then yes?
My main concern of course is drafting a scum player puts us into LyLo if we fail to flip scum. I know someone somewhere suggested drafting scumreads from the other brand to lynch them (that may have been suggested by SD) and that's a bad idea. My secondary concern is that I like the pace our game is going, I think it's more conductive to town play than how SD is going, so I'd be against picking a high volume poster to 'jumpstart' our brand. This time of year is always slow on mafiascum, we should embrace the serenity. If we were moving at the pace SD is moving, we'd never even consider lynching Penguinos, because he'd be in the background.
My most requested is Vifam, and least requested is Titus, for reasons that I think are obvious.-
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Yeah what AC does and what we think have nothing to do with one another. You should know better.In post 319, Nero Cain wrote:
You two little tools have nothing to do with the draft. Sure, AC might listen to you. I want to know what Lil' has against a Penguinos lynch and yet he's letting Penguinos sit there at L1.-
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For clarity, I should have known that a vote breaks a submission. I glossed over it originally.In post 322, Leonshade wrote:
Dodge's initial scumread on McMenno also makes sense, you can see that in 262. While I think that town is more likely to be reckless with/waste their powers, I can see Dodge's point that scum would be the first to know that multiple players have the same powers, and might value them less as a result. I had also forgotten that we didn't know that a vote would be enough to break a submission (thought the other thread had already figured that out, mixed up the timelines in my head) so Dodge breaking the submission early was explained, too.In post 308, Almost Chara wrote:
can you be more specific? that's why i asked. you unvoted Dodge just after i said he was an even better townread. which stances/explanations of Dodge changed your feelings.In post 293, Leonshade wrote:Above is L-2.
I thought his positions were contradictory/fake, but our interactions cleared his stance up for me.
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Titus is a bad pick, but your mistake to make I suppose.-
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I suppose I should just play out this conversation really quick.
Almost Chara: Why is Titus a bad pick? We townread her hard.
Dodge: Well because she is actually the most obviously scum player on both brands. Now I would point to her insistance on trying to influence play on our brand in place of play on her own brand, but for some reason people have a blindspot for that. So, you only need to look how she approaches her scumread on Vifam to see it. It lacks substance, as Vifam continually and correctly points out that Titus isaccusing him of things he's not doingand cannot justify the things he's not doing when pressed. You could argue that it started because Vifam was (correctly) pointing out that the type of interaction between brands that Titus wants to excuse for her lack of scumhunting in her brand is okay, but that would be a poor argument.
Almost Chara: No, I think her attention to our brand makes her solidly protown and we agree with her read on X, Y, and Z so we're not going to consider her read on Vifam as a big deal. Plus, her attention to our brand also makes her a good draft choice as opposed to X because they aren't paying as close attention as Titus. Also this brand is dying and Titus is going to post ALOT.
Dodge: Her attention to this brand again, is a substitute for quality attention on her own brand, because she can more sincerely scumhunt here than she can fake scumhunt on her brand. You might recognize this as something scum are able to do in multiball. I cannot dispute you agreeing with her reads on X, Y, and Z, so I would just remind you that how someone approaches their reads is more important than whether you agree with them or not. I can also concede if town her attention to our brand would make her an asset, but I think the negatives would outweigh any minor benefit. No, no, no most posting from one player is NOT a benefit to our brand. She's simply going to monopolize our brand with her flood of posts. She has more posts than our Top 6 posters combined! This is not a good thing! You think players from Ms Columbo down aren't contributing? How are their combined 64 posts ging to allow them to successfully contribute (or get caught if scum) to an onslaught of 250 posts by one player? Day 2 will be the exclusive domain of 4 players, you, me, Titus, and maybe Leon...with a little bit of Lil Uzi once every couple of days.
Almost Chara: Sounds like you care too much, exactly the opposite of that big point you were trying to make earlier... you must be scum!
Dodge:
Did I leave anything out of this hypothetical conversation? I know I made a big show of this. I'm 1v1ing with Titus tomorrow if she's on this brand.-
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Yes I so very obviously avoided this lynch so I could hop on another one that wasn't going to happen. It's not like there were things I still wanted to discuss or anything. That definitely wasn't the case at all.In post 362, Nero Cain wrote:TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!
The opening riffs ofThe Gameby Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.
Saying that you aren't stalling when you clearly are is meh. Like you've made it clear that you don't think that Karnos and or Penguin avoiding this thread and not scum hunting isn't scummy to you while it looks like caugh scum to me yet you've also made it clear that you'd be ok with their lynch. This is talking out of both sides of your mouth. Stopping my finisher and wanting to have a meaningless discussion about who gets drafted is clearly stalling and my only thought is that you are scum that's hoping that another wagon starts up that you and Dodge can join.-
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I think it would be 10-3 per brand.In post 356, Ms Columbo wrote:
How does drafting a scum player put us at LyLo?In post 317, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Now's a good time to talk about the draft then yes?
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Nero's reasoning is bad, and he should feel bad.
Except...
I think he's scum.
Vote: Nero
It's really simple actually. Look at his approach to the Penguinos wagon at the end of Day 1 and his approach at the start of Day 2. First, Lil Uzi (and I) were scum for not getting on the Penguinos wagon because and I'll quote him...
In post 343, Nero Cain wrote: I think Penguin flips scum here and my biggest bets for his scumbuddies are Dodge and Lil. The Penguin slot seems to have given up on the game and their reaction to getting wagoned was pretty meh. My initial reaction to their vote on Dodge was that it was a throw away to get their buddy some cred. Lil throwing doubt on the wagon but not pushing anyone else is pretty bad and its just feels like he's trying to shall the day.
Though the "scum wouldn't do that" brigade will be in full swing tomorrow. I'd lynch him regardless of Penguinos' flip but I still think Penguin is scum. [/i]
Because Penguinos was scum who gave up and we were his scumbuddies trying to see if another lynch wagon would start instead.In post 362, Nero Cain wrote: Saying that you aren't stalling when you clearly are is meh. Like you've made it clear that you don't think that Karnos and or Penguin avoiding this thread and not scum hunting isn't scummy to you while it looks like caugh scum to me yet you've also made it clear that you'd be ok with their lynch. This is talking out of both sides of your mouth. Stopping my finisher and wanting to have a meaningless discussion about who gets drafted is clearly stalling and my only thought is that you are scum that's hoping that another wagon starts up that you and Dodge can join.[/i]
Now, if I was a town player, linking three players together based on an assumed scumflip, I might reevaluate a bit when the theory falls apart.
Instead he doubles down that Lil Uzi was scum based on the way he acted at the end of the last day phase. You can't have it both ways. This isn't a legitimate scumread from Nero, this is him just lining up lynches under the guise of scumhunting. There is absolutely no progression or evolution on his read from the last day phase to this one. I believe that's because he's scum, so details like that don't actually matter.
Those details are what separates a town player from a scum one though.-
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I will be very shocked when you turn around and call me scum Nero in the face of this by the way.-
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Oh oh oh, 10 points to anyone who can guess what Nero just pulled!-
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BZZT that's incorrect. I'm trying to point out the scummy thing you've done in #434 (and doubled down in your next two posts). I can't keep increasing the point value, please give the other players a chance to guess okay?-
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Time's up (because everyone else appears to be offline)
Anyway, this is what I wanted to demonstrate.
Me: So Nero is scum based on his read looking fake, and looking more like he just wanted to set up a lynch/push it through today.
To which Nero responds...not to justify his read in light of the game state, or anything like that. Instead he posts...
So my question is, what does Lil Uzi's actions have to do with Nero's actions...and consequentially my read on Nero? The answer is of course "what Lil Uzi did has no bearing on what Nero did, and why I'm reading him the way I am based on what he did." You may recognize this as deflecting.
I'm accusing Nero of being scum based on HIS actions. Who cares what another player did?-
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Hi guys. I made a great case against Nero. Instead of entertaining his fake read, why not engage me on my real one?-
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Yes Leon, I do read SD very closely. I VERY CLEARLY don't think Lil Uzi is scum at the moment, because I think Nero is. Unless you can vote into this thread from over there however, I fail to see why you want to by into what Nero's selling.
The burden is not on me to convince anyone of Lil Uzi's alignment. That's not how this works. I called Nero scum, and demonstrated as such why I think he's scum. That's my burden. Lil Uzi is irrelevant and not my burden. That's how Nero wants it to work, because he is scum. He doesn't want anyone having a conversation as to why he's scum, he wants us to be talking about a player unrelated to this. My read on Nero has nothing to do with Lil Uzi. It has to do with Nero's framing of his read on that player, and why I think it is fake on his part.-
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That...is not what I'm arguing at all.In post 473, Kmd4390 wrote:
Sorry but I'm not convinced. I don't blame him for being more interested in who he's voting than he is in himself. That's regardless of alignment. He's pretty dead set on getting Lil lynched, so of course he'd rather have your opinion on that than discuss his own alignment.In post 469, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Hi guys. I made a great case against Nero. Instead of entertaining his fake read, why not engage me on my real one?-
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Like, I don't care to engage Nero about his own alignment, other than for him to sort himself for me. I'm not going to convince him of his alignment one way or another, he knows what it is.-
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I don't follow your thought process regarding McMenno and his use of his ability. If he's scum he could know or figure out that everyone had the same two powers really quickly and thus could use them 'for the lulz' without any real risk, as we would put it together sooner or later. It's like your reasoning boils down to why would ScumMenno do that? But any time you find yourself wondering why a player would do something if they were scum...that's your answer.In post 521, Almost Chara wrote:Scum already knew that it won't last. If they din't through their PMs then they would have asked in their PT. The reason I'm inclined to believe this is the case is that as Town you only have your own PM and your own thoughts (unless you are in a Msonery, in a Neighbouthood or in a hydra) so it is more likely for you skim your PM and not look back at it. However, scum are a group and they share a PT, so if one person doesn't pay attention it is likely that another will. It thus makes sense that it occurred to at least one scumster to ask about the ability they should all see in their PMs. Such question may vary from “Is this ability limited to scum or does everybody have an ability” (Not sure if Kuroi would even respond to it phrased that way) to “how does one end the submission before the target taps outs”?
I know because it occurred to me to ask in our hydra PT since our PM says something like “..unless someone can break it” and I wanted to know how it gets brokenm, so I would excpect someone in the scum team asked similar questons in their PT.
So, given that the ability itself isn't going to actually get someone lynched unless everyone else agreed (it's even weaker than a vote actally, because lyncching by vote requires a majority, but it only takes ONE VOTE to break the submission, and you may refer to yesterday's lynch in this thread for a practical demonstration). I say, given how UNLIKELY for that submission stunt to have gone through; it only serves to draw attention to your slot (and it did) which is the least a Scum!McMenno would have wanted. I mean, “Wow. I didn't even notice McMenno was with us here” still sounds much better tha “Where the hell did McMenno go after doing what he did?”. Right?
It thus follows that McMenno can only be scum if ThinkBig (now Pepchoninga) is his scum buddy, and that was a poor distancing maneuver, and even then I do not see McMenno doing that, aside from the fact Pep's slot has had a null read up until today when Pep has started to provide some content which makes me doubt a scum partnership between the two (You don't think the whole scum team is lurking it out, do you?)
Now I could go on forever trying to show you why McMenno is 90% Town in this game, but I don't want you to hate me for it. So, I will just..-
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I was talking about how I think his read his fake based on the progression of the game. That's what I'm interested in talking about. His deflection is ancillary. You're right that if town he should be concerned with his scumread, and I can understand you having that perspective. It just doesn't track logically for me, and I didn't consider how it might look to a player not hard scumreading him like I am at the moment.In post 488, Kmd4390 wrote:Dodge, you're going to have to reword that if you want my opinion then. I understood it as you thinking that Nero was deflecting because he started talking to you about Lil after you mentioned scum reading him.-
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For clarity, since Nero insists my reasons are "empty". I'm scumreading Nero for his lack of progression going into Day 2, because he was insistent Lil Uzi (and to a lesser extent, me) was scum defending his buddy. His "buddy" flipped town, and it was as if that never happened. There's no true progression or evolution that I'd expect from town in this spot. Not even a little reflection. Nope, after knocking down one mislynch he charged head long into a second. That's was separates him from being town in this situation.-
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And I think by now Nero, if you were town you'd have some perspective as to why I see things the way they are.-
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I've played with you enough to expect you to have some reflection and evolution of your reads. No, I don't expect you to have an 180, just a little bit of reflection in light of new information.
KMD is too fence-sitty for my liking. I think more than any player he's been asked to take stances on things and refuses to do so. For me personally he sits in that grey area of not a townread, but I have stronger scumreads in the way.-
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Oh stop. The next person to complain about the 'content on RAW' gets lynched. It's a ridiculous complaint.-
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Not talking about Nero is every post = has now dropped itIn post 546, Nero Cain wrote:TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!
The opening riffs ofThe Gameby Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.
lol no. The way he's chainsaw defending Luv isn't town play. Does this mean Luv is a buddy or that Luv is town? IDK but it means he's scum. He called my reasons for Luv bad but when asked to back it up he fell back on an empty buzzword and has now dropped it since he knows damn well that he can't reasonably spin Luvs play as pro-town. So now he's using some ridiculous thing that I should have stopped scum reading Luv b/c Penguin flipped town when Penguins town flip has no bearing on how anti-town Luvs play has been.
Dodge or Luv are my preferred flips today. I'd compromise on Mal or KMD.
Okay.
The only person who can't back up their actions or accusations in Dodge vs. Nero is....Nero. Just because you continue to type some variant of 'Dodge has nothing' doesn't make it true. You might try backing up your actions before acusing me of being unable to do the same.-
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If anything you should vote Nero.In post 550, Pepchoninga wrote:Now, doesn't anybody get the feel to even remotely doubt Nero after he basically advertised the hell out of a misslynch. I'm not saying a town is not able to do it, but if anything, the slot should be kept under close eye.-
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Okay, then engage me on the reasons I think Nero is scum perhaps?-
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Take out the filler and noise, and SD has less protown content than we do.In post 558, Pepchoninga wrote:
Bold.In post 557, malpascp wrote:
Two people who were being read as scumbuddies claimed mason, then used a tag-teag combination move that was apparently a day-vig on one of the top townread players without asking for a claim or providing reason.In post 555, Pepchoninga wrote:
Could you basically sum up all the big event of SD. I don't really know from where to start reading and I don't really know when will I be able to read up 60+ pages. Knowing some of the players there alot is probably filler.In post 552, Vifam wrote:I miss them
I suspect the mason claim came from Maria and Pepto?-
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I would like to have a discussion with you about Nero because I think he's scum for the reasons I outlined, and you recently commented that you felt something was off.In post 563, Pepchoninga wrote:
I don't really understand this question. Care to elaborate?In post 560, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Okay, then engage me on the reasons I think Nero is scum perhaps?