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Post #4166 (isolation #200) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:29 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4163, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Off gameplay than his usual towngame + flailing super hard under wagon pressure + his wagon kept being detailed with different wagons instead of being super easy mislynch for scum to pile on if town + highly suspicious watcher claim
I don't remember Creature looking SUPER TOWN early game except one game way back when he was new, so not significant to me.
I don't care about flailing, stupid tell.
I don't care about what other wagons did; most wagonomics assume that scum can magically create wagons to defend their partners and typically raise wagons out of nothing to defend useless partners so nope still not a great case.
And "highly suspicious watcher claim"? What was highly suspicious about it?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
I'm not gone far. Andrius calling bs on my claims has me all out of sorts.
Don't think that Sly as scum goes so brutally for the guilt trip here when Andrius says that he might be faking his claim but is still reading him as town; it's possible that it's something he just feels strongly about and would push back on as either alignment but I don't think that it would unfold quite this way if he were scum (in particular, don't think he talks about that last post as scum).
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4173 (isolation #204) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:48 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4172, MariaR wrote:The fact none of the masons died is what shocks me (don't tell me it's so scum could try to frame them I'll laugh in your face)
killing a cop over a mason seems like a no brainer to me
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4179 (isolation #206) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:58 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
With Sly I don't believe that any of the interactions with Andrius are anything but town, actually; I don't think that his claim was scummy (and desperado self-voting doesn't work to activate his ability if we're lynching scum so not sure what that line of thought was), I think that the way he got frustrated when people was lynching him and launched into full "fuck you" mode looked town and he is again one of the pushes that I don't understand at all.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4182 (isolation #207) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:03 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
{Desperado, SAD, SlySly, Toogeloo, Tammy, Andrius} - is my lock town group in a 15p game
I believe that Firebringer is very likely to be town; his play here looks mor e like Fire Assassin in the Thing play than I've seen him play elsewhere and again don't think that he's capable of faking this as town. Maria would be an additional townread; everyone else I'd be comfortable killing.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4183 (isolation #208) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:24 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
Drealmer I wouldn't be comfortable killing if not for his interactions with Gerry today; can't see any world where town!Drealmer doesn't go berserk on
Zach and Nos look better if Gerry is scum based on their interactions with him; Zach I can't see sticking his neck out that far as a gerry scum partner even if they are bros and Nos shading masons but giving a pass to Gerry is the type of thing I think he would avoid if he were scum with Gerry.
Pine's big push on Creature for nonsense reasons was fake, and his reasons for suspecting me are garbage. I hate how yesterday he was all in on me being scum and today he's talking about how if I'm town he's transferring his suspicion of me Desperado (who yesterday he was defending pretty consistently). I hate how he's shaded Sly, Andrius, Tammy this game; I hate how he calls me "two-faced" on Creature when I was nowhere near that and 100% on the defending Creature train, I hate how he avoided giving actual reasons for Creature lynch even when pressed, I hate how he's pushing Gerry into the "supatown" category just because he was a counterwagon.
Gerry lied in order to push a wagon on him, then, when people started voting him, talked about how fucking stupid everyone was for voting him for his claim and talked about how everyone was lynching him for his attitude even though people were pushing him for his claim. He also pushed Creature and called Creature confirmed "mafia goon" because two of his lines seem super duper F O R C E D.
McMenno replaced Aeronaut who had very lame and underwhelming play before replacing out which is pretty much Aeronaut!scum as I remember him. McMenno himself did nothing but push the "beetlejuicing" case on Creature and then power lurk to the end; he didn't so much as blink when Creature claimed watcher which to me screams bus.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4199 (isolation #211) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:12 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4198, drealmerz7 wrote:nacho, just because someone is obvious town to you, doesn't mean they are to them, and pushing can be a healthy way to generate a read
what is your issue?
i've explained my issue with you already
i don't think fire's pushing to generate a read; fire has held these reads for quite a while and there's not really a chance that he's changing them until bodies start dropping
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4205 (isolation #213) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:29 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
and yes, you as scum would be afraid to push me in a game unless i was your scum partner, regardless of whether vague suspicion was floating around me or not.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 4205, Nachomamma8 wrote:and yes, you as scum would be afraid to push me in a game unless i was your scum partner, regardless of whether vague suspicion was floating around me or not.
i call bullshit, I am not afraid to push anyone as scum.
stop pretending you know how i play.
ok
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4241 (isolation #218) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:54 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4229, Firebringer wrote:Theres like 4 people who were in the THING in this game.
And nacho the one claiming to read the game but not play it is saying I am playing like that game, but none of the players in the game are saying that.
Yep, sure.
Totally legit.
i see similarities in your paranoid pushes there and your paranoid pushes here
me being the only one who expresses it doesn't really mean that i'm not correct and it doesn't really mean that i'm scum
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4247 (isolation #220) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:57 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4218, Andrius wrote:I never planned on doing anything with it.
Its there in the incredible off-chance this is
a) some super scum gambit
b) I'm not around to fight it
I see a very large problem in that most people right now are running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
I think that "Tammy and Toogeloo might be scum!" speculation is tilting at windmills at this point in time and I don't think that it's a productive move to make.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
but if its used for every argument when its not related to that its a distraction and a fallacious argument, so yes it can be "True" but that doesn't make it relevant to every argument.
You are usually pro logic in mafia games.
he was accusing you of missing context completely
I think you not really reading the game is fairly relevant
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4254 (isolation #222) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:02 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4251, gerryoat wrote:Desperado. You lost all town credit yesterday, doesn't matter how big you post
for not identifying Creature's posts as FORCED and TERRIBLE as you so quickly and efficiently did?
do you really think that bus is going to carry you and Pine to the finish line?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 4218, Andrius wrote:I never planned on doing anything with it.
Its there in the incredible off-chance this is
a) some super scum gambit
b) I'm not around to fight it
I see a very large problem in that most people right now are running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
I think that "Tammy and Toogeloo might be scum!" speculation is tilting at windmills at this point in time and I don't think that it's a productive move to make.
I don't see anyone making a move.
SAD and I have voiced concerns which are valid.
Were you in the hydra with me when Fate and RBT faked Masons as scum? Or was that Gandalf?
Yes, if someone actually advocates for the lynch of a mason today they should be censured and/or die.
But no one's making that move and I don't think scum's stupid enough to make that move especially after the Creature death D1.
I wasn't with you, but I read the game.
These two situations are quite different but you're right that this isn't particularly important right now.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
Firebringer has 10% of the fucking posts in this game
by himself
and is using the size of game to excuse him not reading.
uses this as evidence to show that firebringer complaining about game size is disingenuous
don't think this point is unreasonable, don't think it's throwing shade for the sake of throwing shade
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4303 (isolation #233) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:30 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 3910, Desperado wrote:Also if Gerry is scum Sad and Zach are both town and Andrius suggesting otherwise his hilarious. Scum aren't touching scum Gerry with a forty foot pole
good point here
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4304 (isolation #234) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:30 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 3910, Desperado wrote:Also if Gerry is scum Sad and Zach are both town and Andrius suggesting otherwise his hilarious. Scum aren't touching scum Gerry with a forty foot pole
good point here
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4308 (isolation #235) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:32 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4301, MariaR wrote:Pedit: The only one who needs a fucking mentor rn is you
^^^^^^^^^
if you are town gerry then you've continued to lie for no reason, managed to out masons in the process, and very likely are suspecting three townies in Me/Maria/Desperado and letting Pine wreck you for absolutely no reason
you can't blame everything on the townies you're trying to mislynch, sorry.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1644, gerryoat wrote:I hardclaim PR. But I won't claim which. I'm confirmed town to someone here, even if they don't know it yet. I know that sounds confusing, but it's true lol
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Post #4320 (isolation #239) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:37 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4317, MariaR wrote:I honestly may just be wanting to bias lynch Desp because he's slowly pissing me off the more the game goes on but I think Pine is the scum in those 2 I'll have to look at others though.
i don't think that he's been just throwing shade, i think that the game is frustrating the hell out of him which is something that's pretty understandable IMO
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4329 (isolation #240) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:42 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4321, MariaR wrote:Pedit: What to you makes it town frustration to scum?
if he's scum then 1) I don't think that he's as frustrated that it's an absolute shit show, and 2) I don't think he throws himself in the middle of it quite so frequently.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
Ah, right, disagreeing with the reasons Creature was being lynched makes me an absolutely shit player incapable of making any accurate townreads at all.
Good to know.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 4357, MariaR wrote:You'll never admit when you're in the wrong will you Gerry you'll call someone bad or say it's their fault alrighty
I will admit when I'm wrong. I haven't been wrong yet lol.
"if desperado and nacho are both town they need some mentoring"
you're right, it sounds like you're setting yourself up to eat a nice piece of humble pie when we flip.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4395 (isolation #247) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:26 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4385, Tammy wrote:My uncertainties on Nacho stem from not recognizing the meta argument against Creature and not acknowledging some of Gerry's flail that looked kinda townish. The argument against Creature was based on some meta that he acted differently when town, but that wasn't acknowledged, so I wanted to look into that more. His push against Gerry was pretty strong and I wasn't sure if it was him being stubborn against someone who made a claim that was most likely complete bullshit and that made him scum when some of his antics looked kinda town. But Nacho can be stubborn sometimes as town too, so that's something I wanted to talk a little bit more about with him to get a feel for where his head is at.
i didn't think that the beetlejuicing thing applied when he was around and posting plenty when i was also in thread; from my skimming of Creature games elsewhere I didn't see a definite comparison to his scum games and his play here and I didn't think that he was far off from his town game here at all.
gerry's not just a "noob"; he doesn't play like a noob and he sure as shit doesn't play like someone without any experience. there are some things that he's said that have thrown me off a bit (hence why Pine is far and above #1), but I don't think that town!gerry goes as far as he did with the lie and the frustration surrounding it yesterday (in particular the calling people shit players for pushing on him despite the claim and then just lying about the claim), I don't see him telling the truth about the claim, and I don't want there to be any worlds where he is scum and manages to live until the end of this game because fuck that.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4417 (isolation #249) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:41 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4415, Firebringer wrote:ummm distancing is when you are pushing a buddy but not hoping for their lynch.
bussing is when you are aiming for your scum partner lynched to get towncred.
Maybe this is just a semantic argument, but w/e.
I don't think that was simple distancing.
I'm confused. I don't think you're quite comprehending Desp's point.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4419 (isolation #250) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:42 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
If you're voting a partner, which situation is preferable?
1) Town lynch a townie while you're bussing the shit out of your partner.
2) Town lynch your partner while you're bussing the shit out of your partner.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4540 (isolation #255) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:46 pm
Postby Nachomamma8 »
i think saying drealmer is lacking presence is not really true; he has a ton of posts per his usual and his EoD tunneling on gerry/sly was pretty typical drealmer from my perspective.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4541 (isolation #256) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:47 pm
Postby Nachomamma8 »
and it's funny you say that he's lacking presence compared to mystic mafia because drealmer had an oddball push on me there and was remarkably underwhelming until sometime during Day... 2? he did a much better job of being around early here.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post #4601 (isolation #259) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:40 am
Postby Nachomamma8 »
In post 4598, Tammy wrote:if you just ignored it because lalala you do that sometimes.
Because lalala I either missed it or forgot about it.
I'm not overly surprised that you're taking a while to sort through the read on me and I don't necessarily remember what weirded you out otherwise other than my early Gerry read, which I think that I laid out decently well; I figured he was obviously lying about his role based on what I laid out before (and while I'm having doubts there I still think it was compelling), and yes I'd probably make the push as scum because I'd go ballistic if that was a partner and I'd go ballistic if that was somehow town but I don't think that I've failed to recognize flashes where they exist (you said there was flail earlier that looked town to you - interested in what you thought specifically about it).
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.