world.createNew(Utopia everHope); - EPILOGUE (GAME OVER!)

[The Bulge]

Lmao dont

VOTE: Radiant

[The Bulge]

Why am i playing mafia this was a mistake

[The Bulge]

Oo i forgot about this. And tonight is st paddys

From what I've read im assuming theres nothing at all game related in the first 20 pages yea?

[The Bulge]

who are the two of you? leon and cloud? drealfucker and me? maria and...? me and rc?

Wait did I say two...

Question for

all

of you: Do you think we have two different scum factions with opposing wincons? Two scum factions who share a wincon but don't have communication with each other? Or just one faction with no communication right now? Cause right now something isn't adding up and I think I can guess what it is...

EBWOP

hmmmmm this is bad

everything else from Rauth has given me strong newbtown but this backpedal is way more newbscum imo

Also lmao @ the tell idk if that was just memes but i like that

[The Bulge]

Do people scumhunt anymore or is it all meta play hm? all of these arguments are absolute horseshit. Seriously enough with the dick measuring contest idgaf if you've played 2 games or 200 games with [player X] i care if they are town or scum in this game and this game only. Meta is fine as a scumhunting tool but jesus christ yall need to chill and branch out a bit



Or maybe I'm just salty that Im finding it reeeeally hard to keep up with all these metatells being thrown around

PEDIT- what is scumbol

[The Bulge]

who are the two of you? leon and cloud? drealfucker and me? maria and...? me and rc?

Wait did I say two...

Question for

all

of you: Do you think we have two different scum factions with opposing wincons? Two scum factions who share a wincon but don't have communication with each other? Or just one faction with no communication right now? Cause right now something isn't adding up and I think I can guess what it is...

EBWOP

hmmmmm this is bad

everything else from Rauth has given me strong newbtown but this backpedal is way more newbscum imo

Also lmao @ the tell idk if that was just memes but i like that

When I wrote 'two of you' I meant Cloud, with whom I had an ongoing conversation; and Dreal, who had also done setup speculation. When I was writing the question I realized it would work better if I asked everyone but I forgot to fix it before I posted it.

Ok!

aalso only people with tiny dick says that dick contest is silly

[The Bulge]

is the universal international intergalactic scumbol

CLOUDIE HE DID A THINGY!
-Pepsiman (Ali)

i knowwww but the rules behind the uses of it has to be explicitly non-ironically like raut did

So ironic use is ok, but referential is not?

caught ck scum lynch this pls

[The Bulge]

UNVOTE:

[The Bulge]

is the universal international intergalactic scumbol

CLOUDIE HE DID A THINGY!
-Pepsiman (Ali)

i knowwww but the rules behind the uses of it has to be explicitly non-ironically like raut did

So ironic use is ok, but referential is not?

caught ck scum lynch this pls

Im softing a specific alignement

You motherfucker

The evidence is all here folks. more votes for cloudkicker!

On a serious note tho I'm wondering what people on the ck wagon think of the mason claims?

[The Bulge]

@randomidget
@mariar

On a serious note tho I'm wondering what people on the ck wagon think of the mason claims?

[The Bulge]

Zach curious to hear what you think as well

[The Bulge]

I don't care how long you have played with them no one is as good as me at consistently reading people after I start understanding the way they think.

fuck ooooooffff

[The Bulge]

VOTE: drealfucko

zach why are you asking a mason what he's done to solve the game like you're trying to sort him he claimed mason

also bulge i kinda like the recent shift in site-meta that focuses on player meta (i mean i'm new so i guess it's all i've known but) because you learn to like humanize every slot and try to like sort out what about that player is playstyle quirk vs. alignment indicative, even for players you're unfamiliar w. liking the rauth townread (assuming you also bought his explanation with that weird question?), do you have any scumreads?

also i know your question bulge was directed to the cloudkicker wagon but since i was voting for a mason claim should i answer too? bc like i still can't townread pepsi's play here but the way the claim happened i don't think scum!pepsi claims mason with cloud the way he did here so i'm just going to buy it until one of them doesn't flip mason or there's no nk in that direction for an unreasonable amount of tiem

I can see the appeal I guess. Only works for frequent players tho, and also promotes a site culture of the same small pool of players playing in every game, which is one of the reasons I stopped playing (the other being i am bad)

Yea, I'm satisfied with rauth's response.

I was more interested in the CK wagon cuz discussion was already largely focused on pepsiman. Appreciate the answer all the same tho!

VOTE: random
That is bullshit "I'm voting him because he's a dick"
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
This is sscum I am not unvoting this lynch me or this

This reads to me like you find rando's flip from ck to maria as scummy? Ask yourself if it's really scummy to remove your vote from a claimed mason

Sorry. I was very busy yesterday and didn't have time to post.

Anyway, I will start with wagon analysis. First, the RadiantTroubadour wagon with The Bulge, Cloudkicker, and MariaR

The Bulge did make a simple RVS vote. This was early enough in the game where just RVS votes are typical. They also didn't unvote (or even post much) until much later in the game. I am willing to nullread this.

CloudKicker's vote is somewhat less excusable. They had already made two RVS-type votes and overall posted little in terms of content-related posts at that point. CloudKicker, what reasoning did you have for this vote, if any?

What's the point of this line of questioning? It's still day 1 and you're asking questions about dead rvs wagons. I get it if you're still catching up, but stuff like this only hinders town progress imo

Radiant, im pretty sure i can do whatever the fuck i want and that my alignement is not determined by scum actions

FAX

The Bulge has scumtold in every single post that they've produced and I'm already like 90% sure that they're scum particularly in a universe where you two are town.

Hey rc. remember that game we played where you had a town read on me?

[The Bulge]

me neither

[The Bulge]

do you have any scumreads?

Missed this while I was writing up my quotepost. At the time of my last posts, no I didnt have any solid reads. I had just read up and I'm terrible at analyzing while trying to play catch up/keep up, but now that I've been established in the game for a few days gimme a bit to put all my thoughts together

[The Bulge]

VOTE: Pepsiman and Cola

bear with me

[The Bulge]

Alrighty first thing's first.

Pepsiman and Cloudkicker are NOT masons.

We share a neighbourhood. During pre-game, ck misunderstood his role and believed it to be a masonry. After the mod clarified, alisae started appealing to ck, calling him "literally conftown". When ck was unreceptive to the coddling, alisae immediately suggested a mason fakeclaim.

One post in particular from alisae gave me very very similar vibes to 361, ie a forced all caps "OMGGGGGG WHYYY", after someone in the neighbourhood revealed part of their role.

Leon get off Cloudie
/me pouts.
-Pepsiman (Ali)

Ck expressed concern about this post in the pt, as this was before any serious plans to fakeclaim were made.

Enter me. My first post in the pt was a question about why neighbourhoods are considered anything but anti-town, especially if the assumption is made that there is scum lurking (who does posting in the neighbourhood benefit except scumneighbours sitting around soaking in juicy private townspeak?). Rather than answer my question, alisae replied with something about the benefits of treating a neighbourhood like a masonry, ignoring my concerns and

completely contradicting earlier statements alisae himself made about being wary of possible scumneighbours

. I restated my question in my next post, and alisae immediately townread me for having "genuine concerns", and then went on to list why he townread everyone else in the neighbourhood.

Once again, dodging my question entirely

. Keep in mind also that each of these posts were within 3 minutes of mine, and alisae had me marked as town-enough-to-trust-as-if-a-mason-partner after I had made literally only those two posts (my only main thread posts at the time were the first two of my ISO).

It's hard to present a convincing case because my read is 99% based on PT interactions and I cant quote them but if you had your vote on pepsi before the fakeclaim pls help me lynch this

[The Bulge]

Also rc you're wrong about your assocs between pepsi and ck. I don't know how to explain it but there is absolutely no way they are partners from the way they've been talking in the hood.

[The Bulge]

1. There's no such thing as a townslip.
2. I never said you were scum
3. There's no such thing as a townslip.

[The Bulge]

There's no such thing as a townslip.

yes there is

Sure. But there's also a thing called feigned ignorance.

[The Bulge]

Cloudkicker if that's true then what changes? The neighbourhood is outed? and??? You were

claimed masons

.

[The Bulge]

VOTE: BULGE

Bulge dies.

I know Aelita's main and they didn't take the time to explain the whole situation to their partners in any level of detail that everyone would understand on the scum side that there were no masons.

They were also my top scum pick outside of the masons so

aelita barely posted in the pt, nothing much aside from rp and fluff. Regardless I don't understand what this means either way?

[The Bulge]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i stand by the fact that nothing is fucked and this is a huge overreaction








but i also may have misinterpreted some things

[The Bulge]

AELITA KINDA BELIEVED THAT WE WERE MASONS TOO, IMO SHE TOWNSLIPED BUT BULGE DIDNT. I TOLD ALISAE THAT I DIDNT TR BULGE FROM HIS RXN

What reaction? I didn't post until 2 pages later

[The Bulge]

VOTE: aelita

cloud i am genuinely sorry if you feel like your game is ruined. I misunderstood the early pt posts and couldnt ignore the heavy scumdar pings from alisae and that's all that made sense to me.

Right now I'm just sorta flabbergasted that pepsiman is town

[The Bulge]

bulge YOU DIDNT EVEN TRY TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT, NOT EVEN ONCE

I was convinced ali was scum. Confronting in the pt would be pointless. trust me when I say the decision to out what I thought was a fakeclaim was not one I made lightly. I figured best case I catch scum and worst case i put an end to a dumb lying town gambit.

PEDIT. I was intentionally vague in my case for that reason. it may seem like it right now but I'm not jsut here to fuck up your game lol

[The Bulge]

bulge YOU DIDNT EVEN TRY TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT, NOT EVEN ONCE

I was convinced ali was scum. Confronting in the pt would be pointless. trust me when I say the decision to out what I thought was a fakeclaim was not one I made lightly. I figured best case I catch scum and worst case i put an end to a dumb lying town gambit.

PEDIT. I was intentionally vague in my case for that reason. it may seem like it right now but I'm not jsut here to fuck up your game lol

Bulge, theres is information in the pt that states that i actually knew alisae's alignement and it wasnt us just claiming masons for fun, you either didnt read the pt or youre lying

I didnt even consider the possibility of a masonry within a neighbourhood. Never so much as crossed my mind. I didn't understand a lot of the earlier posts in there and I don't know you so i figured you were confused.

[The Bulge]

Bulge: simple question. Do you agree or disagree with my assertion that the extent of the disbelief of the mason claim heavily indicates that the information leaked to scum somehow?

Whose disbelief? I don't quite follow.

This is rc correct?

[The Bulge]

@randomidget
@mariar

On a serious note tho I'm wondering what people on the ck wagon think of the mason claims?

i kinda just voted CK bc he was being a dick
i feel like they could be a gambit, but im going to believe it for now.
VOTE: mariar

Posts like this. This isn't the only one.

Like it did not read at all as gambit to me and I thought they were scumfucks to an insane extent. It did not read as a gambit to Maria who I'm hard townreading atm.

Feels like at least some of these are scum who already know (believe) that it's fake.

Ok I understand the question. Yea I could buy that.

But don't dance around me like this youre the least indirect player on mafiascum.net. drop some names

[The Bulge]

or do you just mean me and rando?

[The Bulge]

Gerry/Bulge seems like a really strong scumteam possibility atm.

Do you think gerryscum would hard defend his partner after that shitstorm?

[The Bulge]

I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

THIS WAS ALL A REACTION TEST ORCHESTRATED BY ME AND CLOUDKICKER YALL JUST GOT PLAYED

PEDIT. but im his only townread besides the masons?

[The Bulge]

I mean thats as hard as a defense can get so soon after the fact

[The Bulge]

i suppose

[The Bulge]

I mean thats as hard as a defense can get so soon after the fact

Sure, in that sense. But he never came in and said HEY I TOWNREAD BULGE FOR XYZ. He just distracted from the wagon then came in with a hard townread on you.

FUck if you're town you should be seriously sketched out by how he acted when I was trying to get a wagon going on you.

Honestly I need to step away and revisit tomorrow. I can't make any sense out of the reactions rn. But remind me and I will get back to you on that

PEDIT. ^

[The Bulge]

that pedit was @ rc and pointing to my above statement ftr

[The Bulge]

And yeah that doesn't look good at all. Feels like you want to take some time and wait to see how the gamestate develops before deciding what to do.

also feels like 2 am and i had a migraine earlier this evening but i mean tomato tomato

[The Bulge]

RC at the risk of doing the exact same thing you are currently accusing me of doing, I agree with lots of what you're saying and i see where you're coming from but i cant be bothered to not go to bed rn.

/ironypost

[The Bulge]

Don't you think I would want to stick around and defend myself/my position if I felt capable of doing so atm?

[The Bulge]

No, I don't think that you would if you were being directly tied to a scummate. I would expect you to wait and see where things go before deciding what you want to do.

I'll leave you with this then

Tomorrow morning I will open up forum.mafiascum.net/thisthread. I will reread from the moment I voted pepsiman. I will provide a gerry reaction read. I will provide a mariar reaction read. I will look at rando's iso. I will post.

yea?

[The Bulge]

Alisae is "only" heavily hinted to be town, like extremely hinted to be town and i personnaly believe he is town by their plays, rxns and other stuff but ""officially"" they arent mod confirmed to me in fact

oh my

VOTE: pepsiman

[The Bulge]

cloud is town. bulge is town and bad. vote dreal and then clumsy day 1 and then 2.

As an analysis of the situation, this post is ok. As someone's initial first-post-after-the-matter reaction, it's really not.

There's no such thing as a townslip.

yes there is

Still no comment on pepsiman. I made a huge post that turned the game over on itself, and you choose to comment on this hardly game-related statement?

OK LISTEN. CLOUD TOWN. PEPSI TOWN (FOR NOW), BULDGE TOWN.

WE AREN'T LYNCHING ANY OF THESE. STOP BEING BAD.

Gerry finally brings pepsiman into the equation here, but still no real commentary in sight.

THIS IS THE MAFIA TEAM SO FAR. BAD EXPLANATION FROM MARIA. SHE IS BETTER THAN THIS

DREAL, CLUMSY, MARIA. IDK WHO ELSE. BUT THESE NEED TO BE EXTERMINATED FROM THE VIRTUAL OR LIVING WORLD

This might be a bit of a reach, but anyway. At this point everyone was allcapsposting. And it doesn't seem too strange for gerry to be doing that. But everyone else is talking about the mason thing, while this post mentions not a single person involved in all that. Gerry is actively detracting from the situation and riding the chaos wave to promote his own agenda.

It's a neighborhood big woop Cloud is town I don't tr Alisae and I'll vote it and maybe clum *Shrug* but this has more voyes

ALISAE IS LITERRALY, MOD CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME

You don't know what a neighborhood is do you.

??????????? ARE YOU SHITTING ME, ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY ABILITITY TO DEFINE WHAT IS "MOD CONFIRMED" VERSUS "NEIHBORHOOD"?

DONT U UNDERSTAND SHE ALREADY HARDCLAIMED SCUM. JUST LYNCH HER. SHES NOT MAKING SENSE. SHES THIRD PARTY OR MAF. SHE CANT BE TOWN WITH THAT LOGIC

More hype riding. And this post doesnt even make sense. GErry is contiuing to ignore the gamestate and simply use it for his own benefit (seen here attempting to turn cloudkicker's unique situation into reason to lynch maria? wtf?)

ok i will stop yelling if that will make u stay. im half trolling anyway lol

aufhaoajv I don't know what to think of this post but it's hoenstly sorta null.

i got all the reactions i needed anyway from it

oh wait

i need to hear from giga head what they think about what has went down in the last 5 pages or so. then i'll finish my initial reads of this game

nvm it's still gerry pretending none of that fiasco ever happened and using it to push unrelated wagons that nobody else is talking about.

Okay w/e, i honestly dont think bulge is scum but i dont know the player and whatnot

Town locks = me, you alisae

Prob town = Bulge

do you agree with these reads so far?

LMAO

yo cloudie. Rocks are hard and the sky is blue. Also you look good today

Do you agree with what I've said???? so far??? should i keep going??

He did insanely ridiculous shit to attempt to distract from my attempts to wagon you

Hell I'd be more likely to townread him/you if he actually defended you instead of caps crying about clumsy and others in a way that made it impossible for me to get traction on you.

I also point out that Gerry isn't exactly replying to my connection of you two either, he's kind of just derping around and I feel like he'd be more annoyed and reactive to it as town.

Yea this basically sums up where i'm at right now re:gerry. I still want to do a deeper read before committing to it but based purely on his reaction of the last 7 pages, i would be down to vote here tomorrow.

[The Bulge]

Sorry, been busy with new job and 72 hours flew by. Post in a bit

[The Bulge]

I've been working all weekend but I have most of this week off so I'll get to this tomorrow.

[The Bulge]

uhhhhhh why tf is the claimed doctor still the largest wagon???????

[The Bulge]

clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

uhh you should because we spent half of our posts in hydra PT arguing about whether gerry was scum or town.
unless you think that most cunning manipulator RC is too bad at the game to keep our positions straight in thread?

So, I just want to be 100% clear about this - you're saying that both heads had different positions, and that these 3 posts

Pepsi is basically mod confirmed scum.

Gerry I will policy lynch you tomorrow if you don't shut the fuck up and get out of my way. There's too much scum motivation in repeatedly distracting from the Aliyhydra lynch with your bullshit.

K so I need to negotiate this with hydra head obviously but I think it's pretty obvious that gerry is scumpartnered with Alihydra, Cloud is town, and Gerry is distracting to keep Alihydra alive.

Currently my feeling towards this game is that no lynch today serves town wincon better than lynching you Gerry regardless of alignment.

with 2 different posting styles (one that refers to PM&C as Pepsi, one that refers to them as Alihydra) are consistent with one head townreading Gerry and the other head scumreading him? That is the argument you are advancing here?

K wtf is this line of questioning? Like all alignments aside, seriously what?

Gerry how are we bussing each other if I'm not voting her?

I thought it had been less time since day start, but eh.

I don't really think Maria is bussing Clum because I don't really see enough of a bus to throw Clum under. Maria just comes off as a little excitable, not necessarily scum. Someone want to sell me on her lynch?

This is an awful entry post wow. First of all, what does the shit about "not seeing a bus" even mean, and second of all, the last sentence can die in a fire. I just waded through the cesspool that is day 2 and I'm not rereading again rn but did nobody address this? Because I don't recall anyone giving pepto and answer and I don't recall pepto posting after this. And it doesn't look like just laziness.

The RC reaction seems really over the top and unwarranted. Math hasn't done anything to slight him in this game. I don't get it. -shrug-

We seem to have quite a few players that seem to not be here. I forgot some were in the game at all.


I'm reading through links right now,

but I'm also cool with Maria wagon I think

.

Who was it that told me I was wrong with my Maria scumread Day 1

? Why was that again?

Gerry

how are we bussing each other

if I'm not voting her?

Reading the links you posted now Math. It's late though, and I open in the morning. Might not get back to you until I'm off.

please turbo lynch these 2 back to back

LOL

I have been busy recently.

Anyway, the lynch wagon provides new analysis material. First is The Bulge's vote on Pepsiman and Coke. They voted and gave the reason that they found out that Pepsiman and Coke and Cloudkicker were not Masons. (Of course, we now know that they were Lovers). After that, they stopped interacting with Pepsiman and Coke altogether.

If you had other reasons for this scumread, can you please state them?

I get that IioA is just your posting style but why does every post bring up no more than one or two points, and always the most a) obvious or b) obscure shit?

Anyway like I said, my pepsiman scumread was almost solely based on PT content, it was all pretty well outlined in that big mason post thing i did.

In your opening you only shitpost as scum from what I have seen.

This is what's wrong with the sitemeta. Like holy shit people, meta is not the only scumhunting tool. People are not robots where everything is a 1 or a 0. right? is that really so hard to comprehend? because I'm seeing a lot of this type of "analysis" from a lot of people in this game.

i've been trying to talk to the mod to get you removed but at this point I think that it's become partially tactical because of how antithetical you are to town wincon regardless of your alignment

I'm out please grow the fuck up please don't be a self absorbed twat please don't think that what you did here approaches okay in anyone's sense of the word. don't whine that people don't want to play with you

Jesus fucking christ dude get over yourself.

GERRY HAS CLAIMED SUPPORT FOR CLUMSY.

lololololol holy fuck, i literally can't see this post as town. you're fear mongering

Noting this for later. I find the fear mongering point interesting.

You can either start treating me like a human being worth respect

I wasn't the one who crossed this line Math. You were.

Where did I do this?

Show me where I insult you as a person and I will apologize.

I still think you are trying to save MariaR.

Forcing yourself upon someone who has made it clear that they want absolutely nothing to do with you is incredibly disrespectful to me as a person.

Literally fuck yourself RC.

[The Bulge]

Everyone needs to get the fuck off of maria I can't even begin to wrap my head around how that wagon is still a thing

I will likely only vote between clumsy and gerry today since there is absolutely 0 chance any of my other scumreads will see rope today.

[The Bulge]

uhhhhhh why tf is the claimed doctor still the largest wagon???????

why the fuck would a towndoctor be okay with their lynch AND self-vote???

maria's defeatist attitude is so clearly a playstyle/personality thing and not role-indicative. Are you even thinking? I've never played with maria but from what I've gathered this game, AtE is a standard occurence. Why would scum fakeclaiming doc self vote and not push against the lynch? why even bother with the fakeclaim in that case?

[The Bulge]

:/

Gonna reread before getting into today.

[The Bulge]

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

My name's being tossed all around and I dont think ive seen even one actual explanation other than "this has to be scum"

[The Bulge]

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

My name's being tossed all around and I dont think ive seen even one actual explanation other than "this has to be scum"

VOTE: clumsy
fiiiiiine

Weak

[The Bulge]

The only thing making me doubt Clumsy/Mathblade is how many lurkers we have who might just be letting us get distracted by Mathblade.

this is my issue. im worried that scum are lurking to victory

Does anyone strike you as actively lurking tho?

[The Bulge]

The only thing making me doubt Clumsy/Mathblade is how many lurkers we have who might just be letting us get distracted by Mathblade.

this is my issue. im worried that scum are lurking to victory

Does anyone strike you as actively lurking tho?

not particularly. thats why i said lurking and not active lurking.

Lurking strategically like you suggested is active lurking

I also consider momo, the bulge, and zachstralkita to be lurkers

Ive never been a heavy poster. I always lurk. I was trying to play this game a little more actively, but i dont have as much spare time as i did right before i /inned

[The Bulge]

Thats my queue

[The Bulge]

For real tho gonna catchup, sorry for being a lurkshit. I was gonna do it yesterday but the clumsy wagon happened too damn fast.

[The Bulge]

Easter weekend is busy af for me

[The Bulge]

I tried to link with zach but it didn't go through