Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol damn missed the action

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And Nero I've actually bothered to start doing stuff again when I explained my reads like a 100 pages ago

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No but like hell I didn't have to do any of what I've been doing the last 50+ pages. If I didn't have that sit down with nancy explaining why I'm town I don't know where the game would be.

As for RC, he's just being dumb again. None of his play here makes sense for scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This is why I laughed out loud when I found out he replaced in because I knew something like this would happen once or twice before we lynch actual scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I've been defeated since the end of Day 2. Where did I go wrong?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The game was flowing well recently, especially when were discussing Leon's hop. We need to keep that same groove going to have any chance.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero I'm town lol. I have 3 completed scum games on this site. This isn't my scum game.

I was never scum reading you? Always had you as null?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm saying I've had you as null up until your Math push. Then I realized that you're probably town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yay!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Bad vote Dave

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna is town lol come on

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And if he's somehow scum than we already lost lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon somehow flips town
RC nightkilled
Ceasar takes IC like Wonder
I'm town

Leaves us with 12

Alisae
Cloud
Creature
Dave
Gork
Kid
Math
Max
nancy
Nero
Notice
Vecna

If we take Creature and Max out that leaves us with 10.

Alisae
Cloud
Dave
Gork
Kid
Math
nancy
Nero
Notice
Vecna

If we take Math out we have 9.

Alisae
Cloud
Dave
Gork
Kid
nancy
Nero
Notice
Vecna

Scum team is in here. Now you just take out your town reads that you're super confindent in

Cloud
Gork
Kid
nancy
Notice

And you have your scum team

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We're just going under that theory that he will be. Realistically, Creature will probably be night killed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

However it still fits because Creature confirms Max somewhat and RC is town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If I'm wrong somewhere it is probably Gork or Notice.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No reason for RC to come out the way he did when his slot was widely town read. Like why? Why does he not coast and fake death tunnel here as scum?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah Notice's push on Vecna is quite disturbing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's RC sometimes lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So he does that 100% of the time as town and never as scum?

Never seen his scum game but I'm going to trust whoever said this isn't it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali about neighborhoods, you should read PyP lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I mean like your proposed scum trio of Math, nancy, Notice and even sometimes throwing Ali in there just seems too good to be true from a friend's standpoint.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Ali: Him wanting to be in a neighborhood or advocating for town to build one doesn't make him town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It is literally NAI.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How you got to that conclusion is the problem though

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yes was for you

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol Ali wait you had Mausoleum? What have you learned??

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Did Ceasar talk about his case on me in there?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

He did!
He feels as if you were trying to devide the town.
He feels as if you were stopping people from trying solve the game.
He also feels as if there was some points you were just opportunistic.

Lol Ceasar get in here and talk about this.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Math can you confirm? What did you learn about Ali in the hood?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Forgot you were in the game PV

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What if Ali is scum who grabbed it to trick you? You think he'd do something like that?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What if Ali is scum who grabbed it to trick you? You think he'd do something like that?

It was possible at first. However who they'd have to be scum with for that to happen is impossible.

Hmmmm

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What say you Notice? You think Ali would try to deceive you?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Mason hoods the best

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've ruled out that Ali would attempt to trick Pine.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I know it's highly unlikely but it has to be thrown out there Math. There is a strange dynamic going on between you 4.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Scum Ali could say hey maybe if I give them another PT, it would only fuel the fire.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You don't see it because you're not on the outside

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm throwing a theory out there and seeing how people react to it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We now know why you each all town read each other so hard however we have to determine what you intended to do by neighborizing them.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'd argue there is more scum motivation to neigborize Math at that time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My first choice honestly would've been Frog but hey

*DK thumbs up*

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Did Ceasar stay in character while in the hood?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hmmmm

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What were the things you attempted to do to try to fix things? I don't think town Ali takes that challenge.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why did you think 24 hours would be enough time?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can everyone say who they would've neighborized Night 1? I want to see something.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

To the following, please don't answer:

Math
nancy

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I would not choose a neighborizer because I suck in hoods.

For the sake of this exercise, imagine if it was mandatory. Who would you have neighborized Night 1?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Dave - Frogger/Vecna
PV - ABR
Nero - Frogger/PV

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna answer please

[Lil Uzi Vert]

RC, who would you have neigborized?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna isn't getting lynched today or ever

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And if he's scum we've already lost

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna answer please

Sorry, what did you want answered?

Who would've neighborized Night 1?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And how is being more egotistical going to solve the problem RC? That's literally what've you been since you subbed in which is why I said you aren't what the gamestate needed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If competent reads were enough, we'd all be sheeping the few who called ABR, Bee, and Sondam mislynches.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna answer please

Sorry, what did you want answered?

Who would've neighborized Night 1?

hard to answer at this point for me, since half the DEO slot had a scumread on me. In Alisae's place I could totally see the DEO being a decent choice to gamesolve. Ofcourse there were plenty other choices as well, after Code Geass im a bit surprised I havent been invited I guess.

Anyways, why is this important to you? You think some wifom nonsense is going on here?

Don't want to say right now but it's to help strengthen a case of mine.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Cloud, Creature, and Kid: Who would you have neighborized Night 1?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If we gotta choose between Leonshade and Nero Cain. I'd go for Nero Cain.

VOTE: KidAmn

??

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Cloud, Creature, and Kid: Who would you have neighborized Night 1?

ididnt read d1-d2. Are you asking who i wouldve neihborized because of d1's play or only because of the player?

D1 play.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Cloud, Creature, and Kid: Who would you have neighborized Night 1?

Kid and Cloudie weren't even around N1

Doesn't matter???

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Cloud, Creature, and Kid: Who would you have neighborized Night 1?

Kid and Cloudie weren't even around N1

Doesn't matter???

Hard for them to give you answer unless they read.

That's fine.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's who you have neighborized RC?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Savage.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nah nancy you're a solid player. Better than most on this site.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Is this the longest game ever at least pages wise?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So I don't think everyone is going to answer but that's fine. I don't think town would neigborize The DEO and the small sample size I've gathered either points to:

Alisae scum
Alisae and Math scum
Alisae in over his head

I don't believe the last one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ryan Gosling fan club

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol first girl to say that

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lmao aren't you Italian?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Gork ranting read sincere honestly

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@nancy: I'm saying I don't buy town neigborizing The DEO N1. I asked everyone to say who they would to see if it was personality based but so far 3 people I believe said Frogger who was arugably the best choice to neigborize N1 so I'm inclined to think something is off.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lmao aren't you Italian?

Location: Italy doesn't mean I'm Italian

Learn something new everyday

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nah. Not in the state that hydra was in.

Titus by herself yes but not with her and Math together.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure the order of the last two but I know The DEO was definitely N1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Neigborizing should be treated like a masonizer. I don't think town tries to take it upon themselves to try to ally and work with The DEO unless they really know both heads well.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ceasar is a weird choice as well and it's interesting he stated he broke character in the PT.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon's easily had the worst response.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I did. I didn't buy their reasoning.

Really well. Best friend well.
Not completely weird but considering that he's role playing, a bit weird.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It hints more to scum trying to get town read easily the more I think about it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Note that I don't think Ali is scum. Just laying out the ground work in case one of you flip scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Only Notice pick for me makes sense.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Probably not well :p

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No Pine must get it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Him being cleared is such a weight off the towns shoulders.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It just does town more good.

Someone suggested I should get it but I'm obvious town lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah shame he dropped it

[Lil Uzi Vert]

3 days wooooo

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV is town.

FTFY.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol honestly it is insulting you think I'm scum after 200 but hey

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There is no town block and there never will.

I'm not pushing you, I haven't voted for you or told anyone told to. I'm throwing out a theory because there is something strange going on with you 5 (now 4) and I don't believe you would try to get them to work together N1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You've still yet to tell me what you tried to do to help them get back in sync.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

By doing what? What questions did you ask? What suggestion did you gave? What made you decide that you could fill that role?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I'm not buying lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can get behind that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lot of ways to take this honestly. I do think that if we mislynch today though we lose.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Damn them words cutting deep

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero we're not lynching RC lol. There will never be enough support for him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Until LYLO, there will never be enough support for the following:

Alisae
Math
nancy
RC
Vecna

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I know but it I ain't gonna try to help today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yep. So it is going to be either Leon or Kid today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol wait till RC reads that

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon somehow flips town
RC nightkilled
Ceasar takes IC like Wonder
I'm town

Leaves us with 12

Alisae
Cloud
Creature
Dave
Gork
Kid
Math
Max
nancy
Nero
Notice
Vecna

If we take Creature and Max out that leaves us with 10.

Alisae
Cloud
Dave
Gork
Kid
Math
nancy
Nero
Notice
Vecna

If we take Math out we have 9.

Alisae
Cloud
Dave
Gork
Kid
nancy
Nero
Notice
Vecna

Scum team is in here. Now you just take out your town reads that you're super confindent in

Cloud
Gork
Kid
nancy
Notice

And you have your scum team

Scum is in those 9.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Savage.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not that we're too narrow, we are too lazy. 500+ pages lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not tunneled.

You have to get 8 people to follow you RC. If you saw how D3 went, that is a real struggle and your approach won't help even if you're right.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's get it before the weekend boys, spring break soon come

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Is that L-1?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Fuck no back at L-2 again lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hammer! Hammer! Hammer!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hammer!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And still no lynch yet lolol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

2 days woooo

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Kid

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol what

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Math is crazy town. Literally lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aye we doing Cloud

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: CK

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Math
Night killed

Pick one lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

thought we were voting for mutual scum reads welp

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Leon

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Listen if we bounce like this we're going to end in a no lynch which is not what we need right now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

2 day deadline going into weekend

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why those Wonders?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think the problem is that a large part of your reads on some players are meta based.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I could see Vecna pulling the PV gambit.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think the problem is that a large part of your reads on some players are meta based.

Some players, yes. But I have tried to explain those as best I can. I feel like the only one I can't put into words perfectly is Alibae.

I can tell. I understand your tell but I don't think it's as good as reading into his tonal difference that he cannot fake as scum.

Imagine if you were extremely unfamiliar with everyone here and had to give out a reads list right now, what reasoning would you give for those you given out meta reads on? If you can't really give an answer than I think you need to reevaluate.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Mine is better lol. I can't put it into words but it has to do with mainly how he presents his reads and cases.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lmaooo rip

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lolol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I was messing I don't believe in tells

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Jae, that game was like 8 months ago and I don't even count it because I wasn't myself because I was trying a different play style. Expecting me to remember how you played there is

You should read me based on [redacted] when it's over.

Tone is simple and complicated at the same time.

The read you gave me just now on Ali is much better though. It's clear and you can actually point to some things that support it. I think that's what Vecna is looking for in regards to wanting more from you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Jae, that game was like 8 months ago and I don't even count it because I wasn't myself. I was trying out a different play style. Expecting me to remember how you played there is

You should read me based on [redacted] when it's over.

Tone is simple and complicated at the same time.

The read you gave me just now on Ali is much better though. It's clear and you can actually point to some things that support it. I think that's what Vecna is looking for in regards to wanting more from you.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Alisae isn't afraid to make their viewpoint and feelings known to the game. He isn't afraid to make enemies in his attempts at scumhunting and the way he deliberately targeted me early game was townie because we had hydra'd recently and so he would feel as town he could get a good read on me by doing so. He hasn't played like someone who has buddies to protect.

Actually LUV these aren't real reasons for town!Aslan. Aslan does the first as either alignment, the second is meaningless and designed solely to reinforce the legitimacy of Aslan's TR of Notice, the third is fake because scum!Aslan is made of bus.

Hmmmm

Well I guess we gonna need to see some examples to determine if genuine or not

[Lil Uzi Vert]

A common thing with all of these btw is that they seem to be suffering from the apathy I'm struggling against here. To be honest this game just feels like we're waiting to lose and it does kill motivation. LUV giving up for a long time was how I felt, and Creature complaining about people basically not following his reads also, and Alisae sheeping what seems to be a town RC is also relatable (hell I think at one stage I asked Ali to give me a name to sheep on for a scum flip this day phase even). They're mindsets I can understand and have been feeling and so that's another point for them being my alignment imo.

Obvious scum narrative.

I didn't mind that. It's scarcely accurate.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

A common thing with all of these btw is that they seem to be suffering from the apathy I'm struggling against here. To be honest this game just feels like we're waiting to lose and it does kill motivation. LUV giving up for a long time was how I felt, and Creature complaining about people basically not following his reads also, and Alisae sheeping what seems to be a town RC is also relatable (hell I think at one stage I asked Ali to give me a name to sheep on for a scum flip this day phase even). They're mindsets I can understand and have been feeling and so that's another point for them being my alignment imo.

Obvious scum narrative.

I didn't mind that. It's scarily accurate.

EBWOP wtf lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't know. I wasn't really looking for an explanation on how Jae got their reads. Just wanted to explain why Vecna is pestering.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aye 1 day left lolol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wanna see something

UNVOTE:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Kid

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Imagine if I had just made it haha, like there was only 2 minutes left

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I had unvoted so scum can hop on and not feel bad.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Game is fucked if Pine doesn't take that IC Wonder.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nahdia not even online I bet lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

While RC is always online lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think Dave should target two of these four to be safe: Ali, Math, nancy, notice.

However I could see scum killing Dave and banking on getting through one more day here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Worst case scenario is
- Kid flips town here
- Two deaths somehow let's just say (Dave and RC)
- Pine fails to get IC wonder

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali, Math, nancy, notice.

You have listed 4 Town????

Still have you and Notice as scum reads although they are much weaker now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh right yeah the neighbor wonder can protect someone

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero is a good choice.
Another one is Vecna due to the overall paranoia.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy has a bit of momentum though so if unfavorable result you might not get Nero lynch.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

never know,
what if we wake to a no kill
dave parity cops, finds out not the same
creature claims to have role blocked nancy

profit???

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali/Math
Cloud/Leon
Ceasar/PV
Me/Vecna
Nero/Nancy

Best pairs

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just don't see him claiming random RB on Gork as scum lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Max is easy for scum to push based on my one game with him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't think he does it, even if his buddies suggest it would be a good gambit

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lmaooo

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i could've sworn i hammered lolol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

your vote shouldn't have counted though thats why i was saying jokes on you lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

but i guess nahdia counted it idk why lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

maybe if i played drunk the rest of the way

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ay the faster this games the faster I can get off restriction.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

gonna see if i can get the hammer again

UNVOTE:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

restriction?

I'm restricted to only 4 games at a time now due to excessive replacing out

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have Cloud, Gork, Kid, and Max.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I mean Vecna could be scum but I'm pretty positive that he isn't here.

However if he is, game is already over. Especially with this much of a lead.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Kid

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol what the fuck drop that now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

you are night killed immune

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rip nero lil

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lmaooo

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Imagine if PV was given a Tree Stump PT and is scum just laughing to himself in there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I already told Ali that I town read that try hard reasoning for voting me Day 1. Don't know why he thinks I'm scum for throwing out a theory.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have felt better about Notice's alignment based on our last interaction but I'm still unsure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I agree with you on Dave though but he could be abusing WIFOM

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'd say nancy is on point with her town reads but I wouldn't be surprise by anyone flipping scum there. Maybe Math but that's about it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

RC is definitely on my radar now after claiming Great Wall.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah this doesn't feel like scum Math at all but you never know

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If we go into Day 5 without a flip we have to consider everything

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I thought RC was trolling at first

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna isn't scum here, 95 percent sure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Math is like that every game lol.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Dave and Vecna killed?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Interesting kill.

VOTE: Nay

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No I didn't go for anything.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Math your VCA isn't helpful and is going to lose us the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Whoever killed Max are people Creature is never considering lynching.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also Ceasar you know I'm town. Don't hide your read on me in hoods.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL Ceasar the reason I haven't attempted to build any Wonders is because most of them don't suit my skill set, suck, or won't do enough good in the long run. I don't like neighborhoods and protecting/blocking aren't my thing. The best Wonders for me would be a cop or a vig like one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The reality too is that the Wonders have done fuck all for town and most of the really good ones are for scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

OMG Math compare my play here to PyP. I'm not scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol context Math omg

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Alright Math

*extends hand*

Let's do nancy