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[Mewtaph]

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

[Mewtaph]

hi im matt

lets lynch some mafia

VOTE: WhemeStar

lol trans u scum this game?

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

That's all you got in 7 pages?

Nope. What do you want to learn more about -opens tome of wisdom-

[Mewtaph]

Meh, I sorta want a wagon on someone I can easily read.

VOTE: Mehtaph

You can read me within the next 14 days whether there's a wagon on me or not.

[Mewtaph]

Meh, I sorta want a wagon on someone I can easily read.

VOTE: Mehtaph

You can read me within the next 14 days whether there's a wagon on me or not.

But I appreciate the gesture.

[Mewtaph]

lol trans u scum this game?

You want to vote him with me? You should see the things he's been saying about you in the Dauntless PT. Horrible. Just horrible.

How invoking. I'll pass for now.

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: Nero Cain
A black notebook fell out of the sky...

[Mewtaph]

momo, Wheme, vote Nero please.

[Mewtaph]

I voted RC hydra because RC just posted. Lure them back to the thread. But nah.

[Mewtaph]

so ircher zakk and mewtaph are town

ask me anything

Now I know what to do when I'm actually scum against you. Cheers.

[Mewtaph]

Meh, I sorta want a wagon on someone I can easily read.

VOTE: Mehtaph

VOTE:

Meh

taph

-squints eyes-
Can't tell if subtle shade or misspelling.

[Mewtaph]

I voted RC hydra because RC just posted. Lure them back to the thread. But nah.

Why is getting the RC hydra into the thread one of the most pressing issues for you right now?

That was the idea, for 15 minutes then I moved on.
I found it pressing because it would have been easier for me to transition into the game with a real-time interaction. Minor point is that I played with them before.

[Mewtaph]

Ircher is scum but voting whemestar is fun

Is this why you haven't posted in the Abnegation PT yet?

[Mewtaph]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

vote nero

[Mewtaph]

ok

[Mewtaph]

momo, Wheme, vote Nero please.

I see you took notes in strongarming.

Is that all?

[Mewtaph]

Okay. First thing.

Spoiler:

I already know I'ma need a drink for this game.

Why not explain why Wheme is town.

Why not explain why he is scum?

I will after their explanation of me having "nothing" and no reason to suspect Wheme.

they think he's town or atleast null and I'd like to hear why.

I do and I will after Elana explains why I shouldn't.

Why are you so against letting Ellana explain their stance?

Why did you feel that it was important to push this agenda?

[Mewtaph]

I see. Next:

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

Do you think this post by Wheme is posturing? What would you describe it as?
followup question: Do you think that this post is more likely to come from town or scum?

[Mewtaph]

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

being lynchbait doesn't gives lynch immunity, and if you going bring this argument up, i will be more than happy prove you wrong

VOTE: Not Mafia

you wrong, i'm not scum, so you have to go

Ramcius, why did you feel the need to play off of N_M's last post to do RVS twice? Just felt like doing so this game?

[Mewtaph]

Okay, and then here's the thing that bugs me the most about your slot:

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

I do not like lynching town and I am not scum. I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be town read is beyond me.

You respond to this post by Wheme as if you already know he's town or with the prenotion that he's town through the way you respond to him. What were you trying to get from Wheme with this post?

[Mewtaph]

Meh, I sorta want a wagon on someone I can easily read.

VOTE: Mehtaph

VOTE:

Meh

taph

-squints eyes-
Can't tell if subtle shade or misspelling.

This is important because ....?
Typos are a thing.

I know that it's not important for the main thread. As it is its just meaningless fluff. I wasn't meant to post it in the main thread anyway.

[Mewtaph]

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

I do not like lynching town and I am not scum.

I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be town read is beyond me.

No, the italics is just an answer to his questions. The bold is what gets me. "I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be townread is beyond me."
This is not just a wording issue. Your entire tone remains the same around this post.
FMPOV, You had no reason to enter this tone.

[Mewtaph]

You respond to his posturing by posturing back that he is town. When you scum read him.It's a bad post that I don't see why town!Nero would do this.

[Mewtaph]

Uhh, no. To me it seemed like you are considering/reevaluating Wheme in that post, when you had no real reason to do so.

[Mewtaph]

Nero Cain:

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's unnaturally contradictory.We're also talking past each other at this point, because you're quoting one bit of my last post and acting as if the whole post was addressed.
106 108 112
112 contradicts against the others. And then after 112, your tone goes back to the same nullscum-ish area for Wheme. 157 161.

I don't understand you to engage in this contradiction when Wheme himself isn't even asking a question that should invoke a re-evaluation of the game slot or their slot.
The way I see it, "You like lynching town? Are you scum?" is almost useless for scumhunting. So how would this set of questions invoke the idea of telling things like "your play has been really odd" and tipping him off that "[his] stance that you should be townread is beyond me" aka he should stop doing it. (Obv its not scum coaching, as you could just go and talk in the mafia PT if that's the case.)

Hence, your contradiction doesn't make any sense because there's nothing that suggests you should have changed tones for that one post as it stands.
So I'm asking what went through town!Nero's head when you made this post. Like if you were trying to get Wheme to engage in better questions or something idk. That's the problem, I don't see town motivation out of this post and I don't understand why you decided to respond the way you did. There's literally nothing that suggests this brief progression is natural.

[Mewtaph]

No, but I wanted to see if he'll react in a way I think is town.

Really? I thought you were kind of sort of basing it on the early remnants of this game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69495

[Mewtaph]

UNVOTE:

[Mewtaph]

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

VOTE: WhemeStar

[Mewtaph]

Well, at least I know where your thoughts are at but you realise that doesn't really help because you don't explain anything in much detail.
pedit: Want to question him on something I thought was off. The passive, not many hard stances he takes in his ISO kind of bugs me too.

[Mewtaph]

Well, at least I know where your thoughts are at but you realise that doesn't really help because you don't explain anything in much detail.

Is this to me? If it is all you have to do is ask if you don't understand something.

No, it's to N_M.
I'm kind of done thinking too hard about your slot.

[Mewtaph]

FFS VOTE: Nero

Why did you choose to sheep me here?

[Mewtaph]

Mewtaph, who else would you wagon?

VOTE: zakk

[Mewtaph]

@People here atm: thoughts on zakk?

[Mewtaph]

Serums can only be used once?
Why not just use them now and it's a moot point?

That's not a bad idea.

nope not happening

[Mewtaph]

Sell me on the Ircher wagon.
PP wagon seems lazy to be honest.

[Mewtaph]

Transcend, can you tell me why/how you townread zakk?
What made you go against this read in favour of wagoning him instead?

[Mewtaph]

I think Zakk is town.

Momo is really hard to read. My gut is telling me he is scum, but I keep getting that feeling he could be town. Not against his lynch honestly. The earlier he is gone the better IMO.

If you think zakk is town, then why haven't you done much to convince others of the same?

hard TR on memestar

im pocketing u

I also notice that I get pocketed a lot by scum.

Do you think that's relevant in this particular game? If yes, how so?

[Mewtaph]

P-edit: i didn't said they not scums, i'm asking for biggest wagons, so if i can't see them as scums, i'm missing something that other people see

try reading his 243
then look at his later posts while he's being wagoned

[Mewtaph]

my town pool is like {alban, Lil Uzi Vert, momo, Nero Cain, Not_Mafia, Ramcius}
town based on tone at least for D1 {Aristophanes, rb, WhemeStar}
probably town I guess {Creature}

[Mewtaph]

Keyser I'm leaning scum needs sorting

post 507 onwards:
-crickets-

[Mewtaph]

P-edit: i didn't said they not scums, i'm asking for biggest wagons, so if i can't see them as scums, i'm missing something that other people see

try reading his 243
then look at his later posts while he's being wagoned

Long posts are on a computer

Short posts are on my phone

(shrug)

It's not the length of the posts

[Mewtaph]

Spoiler: post 871

“A chasm reminds us that there is a fine line between bravery and idiocy.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.16

[6] momo:

Not_Mafia, zakk, Srceenplay, PenguinPower, WhemeStar, rb,

[4] zakk:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Transcend,

[1] Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Elena Fisher:

Ircher,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker,

[1] Ramcius:

alban,

[1] Ircher:

Elena Fisher,

[1] rb:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

Ircher,

[1] alban:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

shos, Keyser Söze, Aristophanes,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. rb is V/LA for the next 2 days. His V/LA will end in April 8. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

All these people voting one-man wagons are basically being useless.

I'd rather you be on MY wagon than a useless one

In a different post, zakk talks about N_M showing false bravado.
Yet in some of his most recent posts, he's being doing the exact same thing.
This still needs to eat rope.

[Mewtaph]

Also, would anyone wagon Srceenplay? From the Amity PT, he's my favoritest lynch.

yesyesyesyes

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: Screenplay

[Mewtaph]

no

[Mewtaph]

Though, we could powerwagon one of the vanity voters.

how bad can you be

[Mewtaph]

How do people feel about LUV and Titus?

Don't feel great about either of them, now where are you going with this?

[Mewtaph]

I would lynch them or Keyser today. not zakk. not momo.

[Mewtaph]

@Elena: If you are expecting a huge ISO or something you have another thing coming
LUV because of his two most recent posts. Playing off of probably bad town thoughts coming out of Nero. Throwing shade on Ari slot. Like there is no reason to be spending time on Ari in terms of a D1 lynch, its a pathetic waste of time and possibly an even worse distraction than the current zakk + momo wagons
Keyser because of the focus of his posts are completely useless. his last post pings me. Like writing a whole novella on momo and then some imo loaded questions on momo? It's just an excuse for content that isnt actually moving the game forward to lynching actual scum. do you actually think momo is scum? I sincerely doubt it.
His ISO is deceptively "useful" and "townie", weee great scum win already on D1 with all of these lurking slots. wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't get lynched by LYLO
Radiant Moonlight because I don't feel like they've done anything this game when they definitely should be because they can during this shitty game state. Instead they are going for some hydra dissonance? like how Titus prefers zakk and RC prefers momo? Doubt their slot can be this apathetic as town.

Not zakk because I townread all of Abnegation.
Not momo because my scumreads are pushing that slot in a serious manner and/or doing jack shit afterwards

[Mewtaph]

Original Roll String: 1d103

1 103-Sided Dice: (42) = 42

[Mewtaph]

Ugh mod please remove that please ^
VOTE: shos

[Mewtaph]

What's the difference between alban prod dodging compared to someone like Transcend?

[Mewtaph]

Ari's play isn't townie. Is it a distraction? Maybe but you could argue that for 3/4ths of the players list.

Just fyi I won't argue with this. I still just think that simply based off of his tone which I think is more likely to come from town than scum: I'd rather look at other options before Aristophanes.

[Mewtaph]

UNVOTE:

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: alban

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: momo
this dies today.

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: momo

Thoughts on Abnegation?
[Mewtaph, Not_Mafia, Ircher, zakk]
This switch suggests that you think momo is a superior wagon to zakk. What caused this?

[Mewtaph]

Take the free win right now and lynch momo.

[Mewtaph]

RC im sheeping you okay?

Momo is town btw.

No, your meta links are objectively inapplicable in this game, so stop trying to force it that way. momo isn't even a replacement in this game, so there's one thing. As far as I understand, you are trying to say that momo is playing straight to her town meta because she is giving up instead of trying. In context, momo lurking out into strictly prod dodges (see: 5+ days ago) is not what I'd call "giving up", I see it more likely as trying to slip past the day without anyone noticing them. Their lynch is practically inevitable, its fairly obvious that momo knows this and they are resorting to survival tactics. This is not a town reaction, and if it is, then they need to make that extremely apparent instead of opting to make maybe one more prodge post before deadline hits.

[Mewtaph]

I heavily scumread Mewtaph and them defending Aristo just locks me into that gameview.

I don't have time for this. momo gets lynched.

[Mewtaph]

Did Titus replace out

This isn't helpful for reading you.
What do you think of RM? Why are you sheeping them?
Is there any other reason you've observed that points towards momo town other than the meta links you posted?
When was the last time you reevaluated your momo read?

[Mewtaph]

Why on either of them? and if you would lynch both of them why didn't you talk about it before I prompted you too

Why did you press on me for this here, yet didn't follow up with more pressure when I responded? Were you content with the response you got?

A lot of people are just getting by for no reason even if this is D1

Who are those people? Why aren't you pushing on them?

That's a very quick change of tone and mindset given your last few pages. [talking to Transcend]

Why is the speed at which Transcend changes their tone/mindset AI?

[Mewtaph]

@Anyone having cold feet on the momo wagon: Tell me what bit of this isn't true. If you can't do that, then point out something townie about momo that supersedes this reasoning to skip over their slot as bad town. Because all I'm seeing right now is what is town throwing out blank statements and mafia capitalising on it. The easiest way to see momo scum again after disregarding it as bad town is to actually look back at their slot and reevaluate their slot.

Consider:
a) What you would be doing right now as momo!scum, and what would your teammates probably be telling you to do in scum PT?
bi) What you would be doing if you were scum with momo when you see votecounts like VC 1.03 (278)
bii) What you would be doing if you were scum with momo when you see specifically VC 1.25? (1518)
biii) How you would justify the wagon shift from VC 1.25 to 1.26 as scum? (1518 and 1586)

[Mewtaph]

like "you don't have time for this" lol.

The way you are trying to invoke me into engaging in creating a game state that is both obnoxious and difficult to read (by creating a 1v1 this close to deadline when a lynch needs to be decided) is objectively bad. In fact, creating a 1v1 situation is bad for town no matter who it is against, period.

[Mewtaph]

Did Titus replace out

No. I am still here, but I just want a flip at this point, so I'm letting RC do whatever. I need solid townreads and scumreads and to get that, I need a flip.

RC is much more efficient at getting a flip than me.

I'm currently taking the absence of saying anything concerning the above events means that you agree/are fine with advocating RC's read on me. Is this correct?

[Mewtaph]

...I'm going to take this time to leave the main thread for you to realise the damage you've just caused if you are town.

[Mewtaph]

Lol okay have fun explaining Aristo's scumflip tomorrow.

This is not a real attempt to consider my perspective. The Ari wagon reeks of fake to me. Even though that maybe half of that wagon are townreads, I think momo has a more consistent chance of flipping scum.
See: 1633.

[Mewtaph]

Mew you had fucking nothing to do with the Momo wagon and then all of a sudden when I'm lynching someone who I consider flipped scum at this point you are super invested in the game and hard defending Aristo.

YOU DID NOTHING THIS ENTIRE FUCKING GAME UNTIL THE ARISTO WAGON POPPED UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE DRIVING MOMO LIKE YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO LYNCH HIM FOR WEEKS.

Mewtaph was one of the last people on the Momo wagon. He hopped onto the wagon after I made the Aristo wagon a serious thing.
All of a sudden the Momo wagon is this HUGE THING and it's going to flip scum and Mewtaph goes from lurking and casually jumping from wagon to wagon to being a huge player.
I solved this game for you dumbasses day 1. Take the win.

I'm not hard defending Aristophanes, I'm directing attention/pushing towards momo and hard because I feel like the view that many players hold on that slot is wrong on top of a time constraint for slots to either start being useful or stop being unreadable. I think there are some clear scum tells evident just through evaluating the context of momo's posts properly and I feel that it is important enough to point out. I'm trying to be as least obtrusive as possible while trying to get other people to see what I'm seeing by investigating it themselves.

I am not suddenly this big player, nor am I even that invested in the game just because I made a half dozen posts.

As for Aristophanes, I can see the reasoning that other players have posted (Transcend, now Ramcius I guess), but you pushing on your "ridiculously strong reasons" does not inspire or galvanise me to support that wagon at all when I do not trust your slot at this point. It's not like you've really given a starting point to start from, all you're basically saying is "Hey, sheep me!"

[Mewtaph]

wut.

[Mewtaph]

meh ok

[Mewtaph]

no

[Mewtaph]

do it

[Mewtaph]

thats what I want you to believe so i can quote you post game

[Mewtaph]

im actually surprised nero can read me tbh, he saw like 1 day phase of my town game

[Mewtaph]

im actually surprised nero can read me tbh, he saw like 1 day phase of my town game

i have bad feeling about this post, like attempt to look more town, because NC townread him, i doubt something like that would come from town

oh great you may as well just lynch me already, ive seen how hard u can tunnel/ignore important details in Wind

[Mewtaph]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588

[Mewtaph]

cringe

[Mewtaph]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588

so, now you try discredit me with my meta in newbie game that was godawful? And you didn't answered my second question

The answer to your second question is already there. The link.

[Mewtaph]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588

so, now you try discredit me with my meta in newbie game that was godawful? And you didn't answered my second question

The answer to your second question is already there. The link.

oh, so you scared i will push your lynch and you got really scared? i'm flattered, really, but in that game my words had much more weight, cause i was TRed by everyone, do you see same in here?

thing is, i'm not trying change wagon on you, nor coming with SR out of blue, when everyone gives free pass to you, in fact you already scumread by some people, so harsh reaction to me not believing in your weird statement makes me wonder why you so scared of me?

you're reading my tone wrong, idgaf what you think and want this day over

[Mewtaph]

Ramcius generally does leap to conclusions, can't understand subtleties even when shoved straight in his face, and is worried about giving some players a free pass when town. He can have a reasonably strong town read. If he answered my last bait then that probably would have been an easier read, but this will do.

@Nero: I was reaction testing him less blatantly than he was. I wasn't highlighting it for LAMIST.

[Mewtaph]

As I expected. I just think it would have been interesting to see your reaction to it. But it doesn't really matter, since you can't really respond to it genuinely anymore.
I was being as obvious as possible with my annoyance/absence of logic with you as I know that's one of the easiest ways to read you as town.

[Mewtaph]

As I expected. I just think it would have been interesting to see your reaction to it. But it doesn't really matter, since you can't really respond to it genuinely anymore.
I was being as obvious as possible with my annoyance/absence of logic with you as I know that's one of the easiest ways to read you as town.

But you have no idea for my scum meta, so how you so sure in your read?

I had a general layout of the kind of town reaction I expected from you. I got that. If you saw the link and thought "okay, time to copy my town meta now! lol meta", then grats but I don't read strictly off of meta anyway. I don't think the posts you've made so far is how you'd start off the game (D1) as scum in a Large Theme. Just a hunch.

[Mewtaph]

hmm

[Mewtaph]

Happy birthday, rb.

[Mewtaph]

Why Creature out of all those do you question?

Why shouldn't Creature be questioned over the other people that moved?

[Mewtaph]

I joined Abnegation because Ircher requested.

Noted.

[Mewtaph]

{Creature, Screenplay, Keyser Soze, Lil Uzi Vert}

[Mewtaph]

nope

[Mewtaph]

So... is anyone going to be the step-in for Radiant Moonlight here?

[Mewtaph]

the only person getting lynched tomorrow is Mewtaph

stop fucking forgetting that they jumped in in the middle of the day to hard defend the shit out of Aristophanes then stopped talking when it became inevitable