Elemental Trinity: Endgame

[PeregrineV]

Vote: KFC

Why did you ever give up Kentucky Fried Chicken?

[PeregrineV]

How 18 pages in 8 hours?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Pere

Are you going to play this game this time

I play all the time!

(At least it didn't start over the weekend- I'd have missed the first 20 pages.)

[PeregrineV]

Who's Pere?

This handsome devil-

[PeregrineV]

moth can be the vig tbh

Why on earth would you speculate on what roles people are?

He means Target of the vigilante

[PeregrineV]

Quick version-

The Good

- Creature, Voices

Specials

- Frozen, Moth

The Bad-

Lil Uzi, Transcend

The Ugly

- No, you guys are really pretty, but seriously, the rest of you.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Lil Uzi

[PeregrineV]

Quick version-

The Good

- Creature, Voices

Specials

- Frozen, Moth

The Bad-

Lil Uzi, Transcend

The Ugly

- No, you guys are really pretty, but seriously, the rest of you.

why voices is a townread?

Stuff like 504 and 568.

what do you think about postie?

Wish he would quote what he responding to so context is easier to read, but looks to be scumhunting. Townlean.

[PeregrineV]

Seriously PV, you think that reaction to my vote on him was town? Pull the other one, it's got bells.

???

[PeregrineV]

Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

+1. It really reads like seeing up associatives when none currently exist.

As for the page by page, assuming hydra thing, no?

[PeregrineV]

@PV you leave associative alone damn you, some of us just play that way! Also I am not going to get a straight answer out of you on postie am I?

They don't exist without confirmed alignments.

And where did you ask my about Postie? I answered Frozen (622).

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. Specially 'cause if postie flips town I'll be going back and re-reading them.

PAUSE

why are you talking about flips before they happen?

Apparently that's the latest thing.

[PeregrineV]

Moth is still Special, but leaning town now too.

[PeregrineV]

PV, my 628.

Yes-

Seriously PV, you think that reaction to my vote on him was town? Pull the other one, it's got bells.

Seriously PV, you think that reaction to my vote on him was town? Pull the other one, it's got bells.

???

???= This means "I don't know what you are asking me" or "I don't know what you are talking about".

[PeregrineV]

I think we all missed this.

VOTE: Vecna

lol..ok, that was funny. Funny enough to vote Vecna................?

nah.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, why not Vecna?

See, interesting timing here.

When you posted this, Vecna didn't have enough of presence to warrant the vote, despite the cool catch you made.

Now, 30 pages later, I went ahead and ISOed him.

Sure, why not?

Vote: Vecna

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[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, why not Vecna?

Aren't you scum reading me?

Thinking you are scummy is not the same as thinking you are scum. Your posts help me to make that determination.

[PeregrineV]

Moth is still Special, but leaning town now too.

What do you mean by special?

Special designation that may or may not come up later. For today's purposes, read it as "Not interested in lynching."

[PeregrineV]

Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

+1. It really reads like seeing up associatives when none currently exist.

As for the page by page, assuming hydra thing, no?

You are familiar with the way Math scumhunts.

This pings me.

~Jae

Yes, and your part in the teaching hydra would be to help her find other ways, especially on day1.

[PeregrineV]

Hi Peregrine. Are you good as scum?

No. I'm bad as town or scum. I like playing, but often read things the wrong way.

But, I know my own limits (kind of).

[PeregrineV]

@anyone
Ive never played vs this hydra nonsense.
Is there a hydra strategy where one side of the head reads someone one way and the other the opposite?

Do town aligned hydras do that normally is-there a dom-submissive element to it?

It seems weird to play as two people who are bi polar about their own in game reads

Most of the time, they share thoughts and post as one slot.

Mostly, they have a PT to share thoughts, and then post in the main thread. If opinions diverge, they would at least both be posted for consideration.

More recently, hydrae have been skipping the PT and posting straight into the main thread, inflating their posting.

Yes, heads can have different reads. How they share or not share that difference is up to them.

[PeregrineV]

Would anyone object to me killing Moth? If not now, then later in the day phase?

I would prefer not at all.

[PeregrineV]

Hi Peregrine. Are you good as scum?

No. I'm bad as town or scum. I like playing, but often read things the wrong way.

But, I know my own limits (kind of).

Nahhh you gotta be lying. That avatar is way too epic to be a bad player.

My favorite planeswalker.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, that was a sub-optimal result.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV has been prodded.

Yes. I am here.

PeregrineV has been prodded.

PeregrineV: @Mod: Why am I being prodded? I'm actively posting in the scum PT.

Yes, I told you in the scum PT to tell everyone I was here.

[PeregrineV]

Only kind of caught up with the hood, but was saving in drafts.

Vote: Transcend

[PeregrineV]

There is neither any random dice rolls nor direct mod interference in this game as per it being labelled non-bastard.

Wrong question...

Is the "banter" PT an inherent part of the setup with predetermined players, or created by a player ability

This looks like a fake question to the mod.

[PeregrineV]

Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

+1. It really reads like seeing up associatives when none currently exist.

As for the page by page, assuming hydra thing, no?

You are familiar with the way Math scumhunts.

This pings me.

~Jae

Yes, and your part in the teaching hydra would be to help her find other ways, especially on day1.

You're assuming this is a teaching hydra.

~Jae

No your absolutely trash at it

You failed in in memory yet you belived you didn't

You failed in cowboy bebop yet you belived you didn't

an your blaming mods and setups for your failures

so no

Your not good at it

drop the delusion

and just stop doing it

This is false. I'm hydraing to improve FA.

I understand some things I do suck at.
If you are town, this needs to stop. Seriously.
You are throwing shade at me instead of helping me get better. This is a classic example of shade throwing. You and I may have different definitions of it but to me shade throwing is

"Noting a negative about a player/post without the intention of correcting it and with the intent to destroy the credibility of a person."

For example calling a post "scummy" without reasons is shade.
Saying someone sucks is "shade"

So if you think I suck instead of just saying I suck help me get better.
SU2 and Double Deck were horrible. I admit those were just failures because I misread town cohesion as scummy because they were doing a plan I felt extremely scum aligned. And reading the PT I was right on that just wrong on the person.

Like please. If you're town please try a new approach.

~~Math

[PeregrineV]

Anyone can react to a death.

Nancy reacted absurdly, trans reacted.like.he.was.william. shatner. And FA had a bit of en emotional reaction too.

Peregrine almost didnt even seem to react at all. Then suddenly there was a "oh well that was a bad choice.

I was hoping for a dayvig, but this at least confirms a player, but would much rather have confirmed Voices over Vecna.

[PeregrineV]

Is there any indication JaeReed is being scum?

Glitter is probably scum. 95 percent sure.

Based on?

[PeregrineV]

I actually think I'm one of the mot hated people on MS

Absolutely not.

[PeregrineV]

Observation: remember this moment.

Reread this game. Anytime someone tries to talk about anyone else. FA changes the topic back to glitter. Why?

High intensity activity in the neighborhood.

[PeregrineV]

I dont relish the thought of being a townclear by powers. I prefer to gain that status through logic, my vote habits, my cases and the ability to follow my nose.

He was soliciting advice on whom to shoot. Peregrine was very vocal about not shooting me. Kinda find it odd.

Yeah, thought it was a dayvig and didn't want to you dead. Considering what is was, you or Glitter would have been a better shot. Or even better, they could have totally waited, not crumbed it, and not used it until a better opportunity presented itself.

just saying.

[PeregrineV]

VoT was Town, yes. They flipped because their desperado shot was double edged meaning it would kill them if they targeted Town. The FA slot and RM slot share a neighborhood. All those who chose the Dark Path share a neighborhood. Nothing else of import has happened between daystart and now that I am aware of.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV - said he fosed me in the hood lol

Which you totally ignored, by the way.

[PeregrineV]

I want one of {KFCslot, Tip, MariaR} to die today.

PeregrineV can be vigged as always lol.

That's the spirit!!

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine is definitely pinging me as coasting scum. That ISO is like a wasteland. Reading the standouts in context is like the ending of Tetsuo: The Iron Man.

If this is a request to up my postcount, please let me know. I tried doing it recently and was meh on the results, but if it's requested.....

Also, self-meta, but, there you have it.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, what are you suggesting?

About what?

[PeregrineV]

Is there any indication JaeReed is being scum?

Glitter is probably scum. 95 percent sure.

Based on?

Check my ISO.

265 posts. You can link me to it.

[PeregrineV]

Guys I missed a bunch of pages and I read nothing.
Where am I voting?
-Akarin

Vote Transcend.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, what are you suggesting?

About what?

The teaching hydra thing.

Ahh, got it.

Most hydra are to help players learn about their strengths and weakness. Jae was saying it wasn't, Math made it clear it is (at least to her).

[PeregrineV]

Guys I missed a bunch of pages and I read nothing.
Where am I voting?
-Akarin

Vote Transcend.

I refuse -_-
-Akarin

Because......

[PeregrineV]

Most hydra are to help players learn about their strengths and weakness. Jae was saying it wasn't, Math made it clear it is (at least to her).

I think postie wants to know what you think might be going on/why it's important to you.

It's not so much, mostly conversation stemming from 1649.

[PeregrineV]

Guys I missed a bunch of pages and I read nothing.
Where am I voting?
-Akarin

Vote Transcend.

I refuse -_-
-Akarin

Because......

The trans wagon is shit and people are wagonning trans for shit reasons.
-Akarin

Yeah, it's probably because he's scummy and/or a scumread.

But, convince me I'm wrong.

[PeregrineV]

Guys I missed a bunch of pages and I read nothing.
Where am I voting?
-Akarin

Vote Transcend.

I refuse -_-
-Akarin

Because......

The trans wagon is shit and people are wagonning trans for shit reasons.
-Akarin

Yeah, it's probably because he's scummy and/or a scumread.

But, convince me I'm wrong.

Just look at this face!


It absolutely just cannot be scum!
-Akarin

Almost convinced......



















But no.

[PeregrineV]

132 now.

[PeregrineV]

Join us on Transcend please infinity.

Spoiler: Transcend case

1. Transcend has many different "scum claims" that he never really hunts.
   
2. Transcend has quit posting in the hood yet is posting here. Last post was over a day ago and he says to "not bother to try to read him for voting Infinity" (paraphrase)
   
3. After we outed that we made the hood and pushed FA to join it because she claimed dark and didn't join the hood, he still scumread us. He didn't ask why FA didn't join the hood. He didn't question it once.
   
4. Once he got a decent amount of support from other players he decided to quit hunting.
   1. We're still waiting for those reads he promised us.
      
   2. He thought it was more important to "fun" or "shit" post than provide a single scumread and push it. Voting the townfirm and Encouraging hangman over scumhunting
      
   3. The only read Transcend has pushed was MariaR and that was "because" and we were asked to prove her town. That's not how having a scumread works. You demonstrate why you scumread them and people then follow.
5. The actions around the vig claim.
   1. First reaction was whimpers (which could be construed as a joke), but the actual suggestion was to shoot us then lynch him if wrong.
      
   2. When Titus/ThinkBig wouldn't shoot us immediately he started making cases to Titus as to why he was town. He was buddying Titus.
      
   3. The entire case was that he "fos'd us" in which he was banking on his "Transcend" cred.
      
   4. Transcend continued to push us despite us being outed as the hood makers well before we outed it in thread. His response is to fucking obliterate us.
      
   5. Pre Titus outing he says to vig moth. Post Titus outing he says to vig us, KFC, PV and then says Titus is bluffing and doesn't have a gun
      but doesn't follow it up with pressure or a vote.
      
      
   6. He realizes he still has to convince ThinkBig there otherwise ThinkBig is just going to argue him scum repeatedly.
      
   7. Shot finally comes in and he chastises Titus for the shot despite doing everything possible to confuse her.
6. Actions post shot Here
   1. First he then tries to demoralize the town.
      • He immediately says Titus/TB ruined the game. No one bad action does. He is arguably more interested in having us demoralized.
        
      • Says he understands if the Vecna replace out was game related. He wants town to quit so he isn't lynched.
        
      • 2173 care level non existent til gets a flip yet does nothing to make it happen.
   2. When he is still pushed he gives the lynch to Infinity.
      
   3. 2238 calls himself artificially tryharding.
      
   4. In the next 100 posts he pushes different people til he settles on MariaR.
      
   5. cass is shitting town in the hood here @ Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:22 am but then only makes 4 sentences in the hood when he's easily made 20-30 times that in thread. If he is town why not use it?
      
   6. Then he says he isn't going to fight the lynch here but then he does that very thing by shit posting. What he means is he won't hunt anymore. And that he won't artificially try hard despite already doing so here and 2238.
      
   7. Afterwards it is more random scumclaims that he never follows and literal shit posting. NBA and nancy were asked by multiple slots to cease threadcrapping and he began only after that request.
7. Rampant buddying of cass's slot and now is trying to push a mislynch on it at the time of this wall. 2380 2437 2442 2448 2463 2469 2479 2485

I concur.

[PeregrineV]

Wednesday post.

[PeregrineV]

Prod received.

Still out weekends, but back now.

[PeregrineV]

Well now that you are here, any ideas on the game?

Not yet. Assuming like 20+ pages of reading first.

[PeregrineV]

In particular,
I want McMenno to stand up and start playing the damn game, and explain why he's so suddenly invested in a Postie wagon when the rest of his ISO is empty of real stances on anything important.
I want Narna (or PimHel, I'm past being picky here) to explain the Dark thing, because that's good information that could make the difference over the next two days. Again, vagueposting is fine.
I want real content from Peregrine, the game has slowed down significantly and he shouldn't be struggling to catch up at this stage.
I want TD's opinion on town!MariaR since they both share so much of the gamestate in their minds.
I want more input on the current scumlist from every slot: Davesaz, McMenno, Narna, PeregrineV, Postie.
I want more RachMarie out here, because she's been pretty town and I want town input on things to balance out some unknowns.
I want dissenting opinions expressed. I know when to admit I'm wrong, and as I've shown here with MariaR, you are capable of changing my mind if you can bring good reasoning to the table.
I want everyone who received a message from Infinity to claim they did so and on what day it happened. (I don't need the actual message.)
And I really, /really/ want NKA on Creature, LUV, Infinity. (For the record, I think TGP/Math was a vig shot. And I actually agree with it mechanically -- the slot was unsortable due to ascetic. It helps us gamesolve.)

Not struggling to keep up, just need to mine for info.

My input on this list?

Davesaz, MariaR, McMenno, (Postie,PeregrineV). That's five names and four scum. Anyone not on that list have an issue with it?

I can do that.

Night kill analysis- the idea I like. The fact Creature and Uzi are one-liners with little to no-context in the range of 250 posts each means the reality is I'd rather look at smaller isos, or at least dig through Bully instead. (Infinity probably because confirmed town).

[PeregrineV]

Davesaz, McMenno, Narna, PeregrineV, Postie.

The list I updated since then. New list is quoted (from the list-quote in your post).

MariaR shares 4/5 of my reads there -- so either I'm far off base or she's bussing at least half of the scumteam, which is technically a "winning" move, but it's one which will leave the rest of the scumteam looking pretty cross.

Infinity was confirmed town for 3 dayphases. Creature was killed after Infinity was conftown. So was LUV, but he was an investigative that hit scum. That's why I think Creature is the place to be staring at and Infinity can help us narrow it down.

Waiting on infinity means he might have been on the wrong track day1/day2.

Do you have creature's reads?

[PeregrineV]

you can't just say "he didn't have any reads" and "his push from postie came out of left field"

I'm just sick and tired of you being the self-appointed "town leader" and dictating ALL the lynches and people are just going along with that it's toxic for the gamestate

She's giving reasons for each. Why not argue those points?

[PeregrineV]

The dichotomy is because maria and trans know each other from other games and have scumread each other for most of the game, yet barely engaged and when they did it was weaksauce.

I also have other reasons to scumread maria which I won't talk about for now.

@Maria- thoughts on this?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Dave

Pretty sure this is L-1.

I checked the ISO and it's not much to go on.

But, these seem like similar abilities.

why are you getting behind someone else's vote on me?

Why are you trying to imply that Postie is voting you because LUV voted you?
-Akarin

Towny post ^

I wasn't trying to do that. I just wanted to make her talk about her vote on me.

@postie

I'm Town tracker

self watcher

who is in a neighbourhood imo so please unvote

I acted N1 only and

was targeted

N2 and N3 (provided the thing that happened those nights had a target which I'd presume it must). I did not receive any effects that would indicate I was targeted N1.

Take Cass over Dave easy.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Dave

Pretty sure this is L-1.

I checked the ISO and it's not much to go on.

But, these seem like similar abilities.

why are you getting behind someone else's vote on me?

Why are you trying to imply that Postie is voting you because LUV voted you?
-Akarin

Towny post ^

I wasn't trying to do that. I just wanted to make her talk about her vote on me.

@postie

I'm Town tracker

self watcher

who is in a neighbourhood imo so please unvote

I acted N1 only and

was targeted

N2 and N3 (provided the thing that happened those nights had a target which I'd presume it must). I did not receive any effects that would indicate I was targeted N1.

Take Cass over Dave easy.

1: I'd rather you take him out of self-hammer range now.
2: The effects mentioned were him being put in Banter hoods by the Architect, which is a fair assumption to make.
3: I don't get why my slot's claim is remotely important here.

1. OK
2. Don't know what this means, but OK.
3. I don't believe there are 2 roles that can watch themselves.

Unvote

[PeregrineV]

Someone on Davesaz's wagon, unvote now.

PeregrineV's scum, he just brought up my slot's claim and pushed Davesaz into self-hammer territory after I pointed out I was the driving force behind the damned town /and/ after I told Postie I want to keep Davesaz away from self-hammer range.

Scum may not in fact have daytalk based on this.

lol..OK

[PeregrineV]

3. I don't believe there are 2 roles that can watch themselves.

Nowhere did I say I can watch myself.
I got put into neighborhoods N2 and N3. N2 hood was with nobody. N3 hood is with Casielle.

Ah- I definitely misread that.

[PeregrineV]

Still townreading MariaR so I'm not going to support a lynch there. I thought you were giving thoughts on Pere from what happened in the bubble hood; did I miss those or are they still being kept under wraps?

Ah, the list doesn't include MariaR anymore. Narna took her place.

I had forgotten the Peregrine thing. Hell, it could be MyLo/LyLo tomorrow if the vig shoots again and shoots wrong, I'll go for it.

Peregrine claimed 1-Shot Modified Jailkeeper. He could pick two slots and himself or three slots (unclear which was the case), and those slots would be removed from play for the next day and night phase. All PTs still accessible.

Confirming last paragraph.

[PeregrineV]

Hell, it could be MyLo/LyLo tomorrow if the vig shoots again and shoots wrong, I'll go for it.

Why are you assuming the extra kill was down to a vig?

Why assume it wasn't?

Peregrine claimed 1-Shot Modified Jailkeeper. He could pick two slots and himself or three slots (unclear which was the case), and those slots would be removed from play for the next day and night phase. All PTs still accessible.

My townread was based on a pair of assumptions.
For PeregrineV's part, an assumption of competence more than anything: for scum, the correct move would be to coast and bait MLs, and then fast-forward the game to LyLo with that one shot. (I assume for these purposes that the missing players would affect wincon due to the nature of the way we were removed -- we couldn't be voted for and we could not place votes.) In which case he traded a significant bonus to his wincon for WIFOM.
For RC's part, an assumption of sanity: not letting a scumslot have unlimited use of such a ridiculous PR.

However, it's occurred to me that 1: PeregrineV may not be a competent scum player, and 2: RC may have had other balancing effects in play (for example, it was used on N1, it may have been compulsive).

And aside from that mechanical bit, he's hard to sort, so I'm putting him in the scumpool.

@Peregrine

- Why did you choose to remove the players you chose to remove?

I was hoping to analyze all the players and posting and such from day1, to bounce ideas off of 2 townreads (well, infinity was town in fact, but he's good at refining reads), and Frozen was a townread, and even if wrong it was just goning to my reads anyway.
Backup was going to be the moth slot, but it was unfilled, and I didn't want to take a chance of wasting my power.

Anyways, nothing turned out as planned because day started over the weekend, then Bully was lynched and night started, so it was mostly just a few posts.

[PeregrineV]

The dichotomy is because maria and trans know each other from other games and have scumread each other for most of the game, yet barely engaged and when they did it was weaksauce.

I also have other reasons to scumread maria which I won't talk about for now.

@Maria- thoughts on this?

Unless Infinity talked about this in the neighborhood with someone else I do know what he's talking about although I've never really had a good idea what talking about stuff in neighborhoods went can someone give me more detail

Not that I saw.

[PeregrineV]

Not Voting: PimHel, PeregrineV, Yume, Postie

these people need to like... at least lay a vote down

There was a requested unvote to avoid self-hammer.

[PeregrineV]

Yume's vote is following mine again, and I'm withholding my vote because where I want to vote would be a hammer as a result.

I think Postie is holding back on the same wagon as well, /and/ has asked to be replaced so that's not going to change until the new player gets in. PeregrineV, PimHel? I have no idea.

Someone on Davesaz's wagon, unvote now.

[PeregrineV]

sigh so basically most people read dave as scum but we are holding off hammering for ?

because I just see the game becoming kind of stagnant here and not really anyone adding anything new.

I know I am just as guilty but really without more of a clue who question marks person is or a flip of said person I really don't have much more to offer. I know I caught the person twice in a row doing an action. But I dont know who the person is. My gut says this person did the kill the last two nights for the scum team, but even that is not set in stone.

Being a one target monitor is a crappy PR to have

Honestly? I want people to bring dissenting opinions into the damned game already.

Because if /everyone/ agrees with 3 out of 5 slots on my lynch list except Davesaz and McMenno, I'm beginning to think that something is wrong -- that's saying that at least 2 of the scum are okay with bussing /and/ are in our townblock, or they're hoping to weasel out of it when I'm the NK. I have doubts and concerns and I want to see people bring new information.

At this point only agreeing with Dave. Anything else will be re-evaluated upon his flip.

[PeregrineV]

Prod received - back Tuesday

[PeregrineV]

@Cass- I still don't get your lynchpool idea. And it's starting to bother me that you keep wanting to lynch Dave but are calling him town.

Vote: Dave

[PeregrineV]

Prod received. Will read today.

[PeregrineV]

I think I am probably ok with lynching any of PV/Cass/Mari/Momo today.

A brief "why" on each would be appreciated.

[PeregrineV]

A reminder: this is 9 player LyLo. Discussion is crucial here, and if anyone has a tunnel they need to leave it.

I'm no longer confident in my play after seeing Davesaz flip town. All I feel comfortable contributing until someone else picks a topic of discussion are the night's results: McMenno targeted no one. I was not targeted by anyone.

Yume
Momo
McMenno
TiphaineDeath
PeregrineV
Narna
MariaR
RachMarie
cassielle

[PeregrineV]

Okay, after reading the game, I am not following Cass' whole lynchpool idea. And her huge push on daveas failing, not really liking that.

Then, she turns around and says no tunneling and discussion is key, once again assuming a town leadership role to change the mind of people who want to vote for her after yesterday because who would lynch town's "leader."

Not buying it.

VOTE: Cassielle

Did you gleam anything else from the prior 200 pages? I'm a strong believer in the value of "fresh eyes".

[PeregrineV]

ugggh I have been sick

Dave flipping town really has me questioning all my reads. uggh I really thought he was scum and had said so several times in the banter PT.

I am going to take a look at lynch wagons, see if I can find some patterns there.

I felt more confident as the day went by, and he kept saying that we had more info to give, but then it never came.

would like to see the raw lynch wagon data you gather, and then the conclusions/thoughts separately.

[PeregrineV]

Seeking a replacement for YUme.

I eagerly await any type of posting from yume replacement.

Yes, but this needs to happen soonest.

[PeregrineV]

I eagerly await the day to actually start. What is this. Nobody posts and cassielle, who says we need to discuss, has no topic of discussion other than that she is town. Cass is scum.

Somebody play!!!

Vote Cass!!!

Or something else!!!

Just play!!!

You are currently voting the person that I find the hardest to picture as scum. Need something way more concrete (ie posting) before I will even begin to discuss it.

Also 4860.

[PeregrineV]

I have paid work to do today, but back later or tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

I'd also like to hear back from PeregrineV, while I'm at it.

I'm here.

[PeregrineV]

I hope you realize, that if yume is town, and scum, scum could just lynch someone, yes? so if cassielle is scum,

yume must be scum with them

Can you say this a different way? Part of it doesn't make sense.

[PeregrineV]

This is horseshit and garbage from you.

You presuppose I'm scum with momo, but why the fuck would scum bus start-of-day in LyLo? They can end the game /now/. That's anti-wincon for them.

You say I should be voting momo in this situation, conveniently ignoring that I've been jumping up and down screaming at the top of my lungs "VOTING IN LYLO WITHOUT DISCUSSION IS FUCKING SUICIDE", and of course refusing to acknowledge that contra-fucking-dicting myself here will let the goddamn scum push a mislynch on me even harder: "Aha! Look, doing what she calls bad townplay, SCUM!" Not to mention ignoring that every time I use logic to push a fucking wagon it ends in a goddamn mislynch -- but this time is different, somehow? I should somehow trust myself to hit scum with my vote in /fucking LyLo/?

You say I should be /working with you/ but you give me no fucking reason to because you just assume I'm scum to begin with and that anything I say comes from a scum point of view.

Then you say that I'm scum for avoiding walking into all the fucking traps laid out for me to get mislynched and lose town the fucking game?

No. I don't think so.

The problem is I've seen scum lynch one of their own when a mislynch can win it for them. Twice. I ran both games, and didn't understand why they would do it, but they ended up winning in both of them.

[PeregrineV]

the scumteam has 4 members/votes, the town has 5 members/votes

assume yume town/cassielle scum. yume pledged her vote to cassielle. now scum have 5 of the 9 total votes, therefore having a majority, and being able to lynch any town member at will. this hasn't hapened yet, therefore if yume is town so is cassielle

Ok, that makes sense.

But i think you are saying that Cass can't be scum because if she were, scum could autolynch (if Yume is town)
If Yume is scum and cass is scum, then we stay at TTTTT-SSSS.

It doesn't speak to Yume's alignment, does it?

TTTTT-SSSS, if Yume is scum giving to town, makes it TTTTTT-SSS, which would be dumb, unless limitations, compulsive, etc.


Hmmmm.

[PeregrineV]

the scumteam has 4 members/votes, the town has 5 members/votes

assume yume town/cassielle scum. yume pledged her vote to cassielle. now scum have 5 of the 9 total votes, therefore having a majority, and being able to lynch any town member at will. this hasn't hapened yet, therefore if yume is town so is cassielle

Ok, that makes sense.

But i think you are saying that Cass can't be scum because if she were, scum could autolynch (if Yume is town)
If Yume is scum and cass is scum, then we stay at TTTTT-SSSS.

It doesn't speak to Yume's alignment, does it?

TTTTT-SSSS, if Yume is scum giving to town, makes it TTTTTT-SSS, which would be dumb, unless limitations, compulsive, etc.


Hmmmm.

In reviewing all 10 of Yume's posts, whever the vote giving thing was used, it has been Frozen/cass.

Why not infinity/Vecna, once they were confirmed?

[PeregrineV]

the scumteam has 4 members/votes, the town has 5 members/votes

assume yume town/cassielle scum. yume pledged her vote to cassielle. now scum have 5 of the 9 total votes, therefore having a majority, and being able to lynch any town member at will. this hasn't hapened yet, therefore if yume is town so is cassielle

Ok, that makes sense.

But i think you are saying that Cass can't be scum because if she were, scum could autolynch (if Yume is town)
If Yume is scum and cass is scum, then we stay at TTTTT-SSSS.

It doesn't speak to Yume's alignment, does it?

TTTTT-SSSS, if Yume is scum giving to town, makes it TTTTTT-SSS, which would be dumb, unless limitations, compulsive, etc.


Hmmmm.

In reviewing all 10 of Yume's posts, whever the vote giving thing was used, it has been Frozen/cass.

Why not infinity/Vecna, once they were confirmed?

Used day1, day4, and day5, so not odd-day or non-consecutive.

[PeregrineV]

Missed Monday, but here.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine claimed 1-Shot Modified Jailkeeper. He could pick two slots and himself or three slots (unclear which was the case), and those slots would be removed from play for the next day and night phase. All PTs still accessible.

I skimmed but think we are fullclaiming, so this is me.

I could pick three slots. I picked myself and cass and infinity for a day/night "removed-from-the-game" PT (aka bubble).
My goal was to bounce reads and analysis off of players with like 95% guarantee of privacy.
Reality was day ended almost before I got back, so actual time in the PT was only like a day (but it felt less).
Anyways, during that removal, players could not be killed or targeted.

Also in the Dark PT, but not posting in it- since everything I could say in there I'd rather just say out here.

[PeregrineV]

Im not one for gambits much TD and he or she did an action on n2 and every night since.

I won't deny my PR is pretty much useless.

did you get a night2 result?

[PeregrineV]

yes guestion marks did an action on N2 and every night since Only night he or she did not do an action was N1.

Then your mystery person is not me or cass. We could not have performed anything night2, since we were not in the game.

[PeregrineV]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eddie Cane

I actually forgot that that vote was still there. Happy now

Why the vig on math?

I assume this was yours, based on different flavor.

The Glitter Patrol MathBlade was destroyed utterly Night 3. They were Kate.

[PeregrineV]

He claimed vig and there was no counter-claim....

[PeregrineV]

also there is the mod verifiable vote thingy Would the mod have given such a PR to scum to be able to pick someone to give over his or her vote to?

But it is mainly the fact that TD is so sure it is Eddie AND Cass that has me concerned. Why would Cass not kill to try to convince us that Eddie was clearly not scum in that situation?

I want to hear from Pere especially atm He was the one who pointed out that Cass, Infin, and he were unable to do actions on N2 because of the bubble. Which is what made me realize that momo had to be the one doing the killin which meant he was question marks and I was right on that.

Logic people.

Sure, what's up?

[PeregrineV]

That doesn't confirm your slot's alignment.

HURT: rach

but uh... once I'm conf town we still need to find the scum. idk what you want public but in our old pt (we have one you still haven't talked in zz) you expressed concerns with a td lynch. are those hone after this bs?

Not sure what you are doing, but if you are giving your vote away I prefer you just NOT do that.

[PeregrineV]

Let's see
Rach and Cass are obv town
that leaves
Eddie
McMenno
TiphaineDeath
PeregrineV
Narna
TD is town over this list so
Eddie
McMenno
PeregrineV
Narna
PV and Narna are much townier then the other 2 so 1 of them is scum plus Eddie/MC

I get TD thinks Eddie is scum because of the block thing.

why do you think he's scum? And if he is, why give this vote away?

[PeregrineV]

Still no one has talked about the possibility that scum no-killed to fake a guilty result on town!Eddie. Why is this being buried? This would be an incredibly effective gambit if it had been set up ahead of time with good claims for the purpose, so it's not that it "makes no sense" or whatever. Why is no one even admitting this is a possibility?

Most of the time, scum want to kill, because they win the game that way. I don't think i have ever no-killed as scum, because it is suboptimal to do so. No lynches sometimes make sense because it narrows down who is scum, but scum not killing is just dumb.

[PeregrineV]

okay so d2 lasted like 5 pages and it was the world's easiest wagon.

can rach, Pere, and cass

please reread it and tell me if I'm just confbiasing or if that's the most obvious bus in the world? there was 0 resistance to the wagon, both of the scum flips were on it, and clearly scum wasn't interested in defending himself.

I can go read 5 pages.

[PeregrineV]

That doesn't confirm your slot's alignment.

HURT: rach

but uh... once I'm conf town we still need to find the scum. idk what you want public but in our old pt (we have one you still haven't talked in zz) you expressed concerns with a td lynch. are those hone after this bs?

Not sure what you are doing, but if you are giving your vote away I prefer you just NOT do that.

hurt takes it away. now cass has my vote.

Just wondering why you are not holding onto it and using it yourself?

[PeregrineV]

Great, I'm glad you feel like letting those neurons rub together this morning, can we lynch Eddie now?

If you jailkept, then you could have stopped the kill on him. If he was the nightkill, why would I want to lynch him?

[PeregrineV]

i guess you missed the part I can no longer be a tree stump?

We lynched momo who was question marks dude I did my part

What were your other abilities? Anything verifiable?

[PeregrineV]

okay but

why

would scum nightkill town eddie here

Because he's town?

[PeregrineV]

@Narna
@maria
@McMenno

What post ## was your claims again?

[PeregrineV]

N1 the slot did no action

i caught the slot doing the kill on

N2 (this one cleared Pere and Cass from being the killer because they were in the bubble)
N3
N4

Day 5 we lynch momo aka question marks dude
Tnen N 5 no kill

That help Pere

So you received results in the form of question marks. Did it say that person did the kill, or just that they did something? And did it say who they killed?

And I thought you have something else, because this sounds even more underwhelming than mine.

[PeregrineV]

Going to be gone over the weekend mostly, but still hard to see Eddie as blocked scum- seems more likely to have been the NK, since I think it's a greater chance he's town than scum.

I'll admit this is partially being defined by his relationship with cass, who I strongly believe is town.

I see other arguments for TD-scum and Eddie-scum, but both would require me to believe that they are not playing the best scum they can. I refuse to lose by thinking scum is stupid. So assuming competency on both of their parts, not voting either of them.

[PeregrineV]

@RC-

Fun game, thanks for modding and letting me play.

@TD

- Good job at keeping the scumreads at bay! Way to finish!

@Cass

- You did well. Outguessing the mod only worked in my favor, so I wasn't going to argue. But overall you played well, you just had 3 people you weren't going to convince no matter what (at the end).

[PeregrineV]

and like I said to rc that janitor really jinxed shit up, it didn't let us see how scum's fakeclaims were, I think if they flipped w/ fakeclaim I wouldn't have been lynched that eagerly (wrt to me not claiming and all)

We could have janitored anyone, but I thought it was funny that we only janitored ourselves to hide the fakeclaims.