Elemental Trinity: Endgame

[davesaz]

I have noticed the game started but it is bedtime and I will not be back for up to 18 hours due to appointments tomorrow.
7 pages during the time I was reading another high velocity game does not bode well for being able to keep up, but hopefully I'll manage.

[davesaz]

We cannot be neighborized. Repeating this because Titus says it's really important to claim and no one acknowledged it.

~ThinkBig

You think this is negative utility or something?

[davesaz]

Up to 11. Far claimed something, eh? This merits study.

[davesaz]

Up to 11. Far claimed something, eh? This merits study.

Why would it merit further study? You posted page 7 and said you cant keep up.

Now someone voted you and poof; you are like robin williams

I posted that when I was reading page 11. This post is going somewhere in the 20's? I have not read anything after 11, except the posts which fit on the screen after my 575. I don't know or care if someone is voting me.
I am now returning to page 11. What page I'm reading is RL and I never lie about RL. (there is moderately happy news that I can squeeze in a little reading earlier than my previous estimate)

[davesaz]

moth can be the vig tbh

Why on earth would you speculate on what roles people are?

Noting by quoting. Probably not AI but who knows there are another 20ish pages to read.

[davesaz]

I have noticed the game started but it is bedtime and I will not be back for up to 18 hours due to appointments tomorrow.
7 pages during the time I was reading another high velocity game does not bode well for being able to keep up, but hopefully I'll manage.

This post is bull. He is my #2 scumread behind glitterpants.

Ooh, a newb to lecture?

I never,

ever,

lie about RL.

[davesaz]

More noting by quoting. I saw a couple things here which could indicate "surprised that others knew about it".

Spoiler: posts

Is it possible scum talked about me in the scum PT and moth slipped the info in 210?

Huh? Scum can only meet at night. How the hell would this even be possible

Pregame.

Scum were allowed to talk about there picks pre game? Eh that makes sense.

Huh idk

Most mods allow scum pregame talk.

I've never seen that before but that's mostly cause most games I've been scum in had daytalk the one game there wasn't it was locked for good until night.

Is it possible scum talked about me in the scum PT and moth slipped the info in 210?

Huh? Scum can only meet at night. How the hell would this even be possible

Was this confirmed?

Scum were allowed to talk about there picks pre game? Eh that makes sense.

Or this?

~ThinkBig

I thought Creature was saying they could.

Is it possible scum talked about me in the scum PT and moth slipped the info in 210?

Huh? Scum can only meet at night. How the hell would this even be possible

Was this confirmed?

Scum were allowed to talk about there picks pre game? Eh that makes sense.

Or this?

~ThinkBig

Ive never been in a mafia game anywhere that allows a pregame encryptor QT. Where does it say this exists?

Oh nice, we're now discussing if scum had pregame talk or not.

Ive never been in a mafia game anywhere that allows a pregame encryptor QT. Where does it say this exists?

Some mods allow scum pregame talk (without the need of an encryptor) as a sort of introduction.

Example: Newbie games

More importantly even if it did my vote on glitter is not subtle at all. So basically you are hoping that I am scum based on botched pregame strategy and banking on that im also terrible at playing scum in general.

Ask vecna/fluminator/kfc about my scum meta. Im much angrier as scum, I post music videos and in general try to buddy people like crazy as scum.

[davesaz]

yeah my vote stays

I need more Dave to convince me you are town.

Did I forget to say that I'm logically absent from the game and ages behind, at least up to the point where all these posts I'm making now finally appear??

[davesaz]

So-Many-Pages

Ok, stream of consciousness style post incoming.

<<long post snipped >>

Please consider encasing numbers in post tags to make them linkable.
This PSA brought to you by Dave who now returns to his regularly scheduled catchup read.

[davesaz]

Moth is still Special, but leaning town now too.

What do you mean by special?

[davesaz]

At least that makes sense. But egg on the face is a given anytime you are scum prosecuting a lynch loud and proud. But moreso if you are town and have to explain it later. So if they want to shrug off my vote like it sounds like - that implies they dont really scumread me they just dont wanna die.

Still illogical. Egg on face is not given anytime a slot flips town at all.

I don't see them shrugging off your vote. In fact, they look like they cannot shake a PoV that you are scum.

~ThinkBig

IF Player A is scum and pushes a lynch on a townie = yes that townie flipping town will always cause scum player to have egg on face.

Your argument is basic. Lacks oversight.

IF Player B is town and pushes a lynch on town player B will have egg on face MORESO than above example because above A knew what he/she was in for and will be prepared. Egg on face implies shock at a flip.

If im freakin scum im not gonna be shocked at a town flip unless im traitor.

They cant shake the POV I am scum because theyre morons or scum themselves. Lol.

Why the big conversation about an appearances topic?

[davesaz]

Oh woops didn't mean to post that.

I think we all missed this.

VOTE: Vecna

What was the point of quoting the VC posts but saying nothing about them?

[davesaz]

This doesn't feel like pokemon Titus sadly

The one which just finished where you and she were scum?

[davesaz]

Heh, so I make all those inline posts and it turns out that everyone was inactive for most of them. Oh well...

I find a silent Vecna to be very scummy.
Moth is either bad or scum, hard to tell though without some background.
Creature is probably town but very annoying all the same. Can you please analyze instead of just commenting on things and building your scum list by eliminating the people you think are town?
FA feels town.
Special was used as a descriptive by a couple players. I'd like to know why.

I'd like to get some opinions on the discussion around "egg on face". This feels to me like a discussion on keeping up appearances, which should be something that only scum really care about. I think that questions that probe at people's opinions about what actions cause bad appearances to be a good indicator that the one asking the question is scum.

[davesaz]

Tell me what you think the bottom of the VC means.

[davesaz]

Whoa, ok I didn't notice that, just that the two VCs were posted without a comment.

[davesaz]

I thought you had played with Creature a lot.

[davesaz]

You talking to me, dave? I have played with Creature a decent bit. I'm not entirely sure what the point of that comment was, can you elaborate?

~Jae

Was the 3rd sentence what you wanted to say to Creature, or was it intended for moth?

[davesaz]

Glitter, is your case on FA mostly that she didn't mention multiple hoods?

[davesaz]

We have 1 power active making the hood you didn't post in til I poked you.

Are you claiming that your active power makes that hood, or is it an attribute which doesn't require activation?

[davesaz]

Now my question is and was

With this banter ability: You didn't make it. Rach Marie didn't make it.
Then there is a scum neighborizer or one of the two of you are a liar.

I think you're leaving out the possibility that the mod has a game structure which is more complicated than elements with hoods.

[davesaz]

What was the point of quoting the VC posts but saying nothing about them?

Look at the bottom of the second VC.

Mod: The post in question 250 has been edited. Can you please post its unedited version?

The only edit made to the VC was concerned with fixing the votes.

I'm gonna guess dumb town trying to get people to listen to his reads, as scum would have to be positively crazy to try to fake a mod-guilty on someone to get a mislynch.

[davesaz]

that she can't be shot by same "faction"

Where was this, in case I can't find it.

[davesaz]

Disregard question about where Postie claimed, LUV quoted it later in the same page.

[davesaz]

Btw I should probably claim my passive but I feel like it could potentially out the existence of other roles so I'm not 100% sure what the correct play is.

I don't think it's likely I'll end up in a situation where my passive activates and if I am at risk I'll probably know about it and can claim then so you know what it's fine we're fine

Scum probably have members from each element, which provides the situation where your ability activates. I wouldn't be surprised if each element has a vig too (possibly 1-shot for balance), though that's pure speculation based on balance principles. It was basically a 1/3 BP until revealed.

Because there could be a killing role of either alignment, I don't think existence of an elemental BP is AI by itself. I don't think scum would be likely to claim it, though tbh I have trouble with seeing why people claim (and fakeclaim) at all other than the roles which must be claimed to blunt their antitown character.

[davesaz]

Miller et al

[davesaz]

I'm thinking nancy looks pretty sketchy. A seemingly random vote on me is what brought it to my attention (yeah that's a weakness, noticing votes on me more than other stuff...). But I saw a comment along the lines that it seems she doesn't care who the lynch is, and I find myself agreeing with that comment on the surface. I think I'd want to go back and confirm, to find out if it's real or if the comment was just throwing shade.

[davesaz]

damnit I get swamped with work stuffs and fixing my computer issues and you all hyper post

Titus why vec, if you wanted to commit suicide at least confirming someone who might actually play would be better. uggh

Vec stop being a deadweight and play now that you are a mod confirmed IC


Pere is prob town guys he does lurk too much but this feels like his town


FA I posted in our thread, banter.

Did you make the hood?

~~Math

Why do you assume someone had to make the hood? You've never heard of a game where the mod rolls a couple dice and those two players are in a hood?
I don't have any idea whether the banter hood is that kind of hood, but it's pretty damn suspicious to me that you're assuming it can't be.

[davesaz]

There is neither any random dice rolls nor direct mod interference in this game as per it being labelled non-bastard.

Wrong question...

Is the "banter" PT an inherent part of the setup with predetermined players, or created by a player ability

[davesaz]

There is neither any random dice rolls nor direct mod interference in this game as per it being labelled non-bastard.

Wrong question...

Is the "banter" PT an inherent part of the setup with predetermined players, or created by a player ability

Thanks! Have a town read.

Seconded. I'm not sure if it can be answered but I love the question.

~~Math

Math...
You know the fact that that stuff is EASILY fakeable
right?
-Akarin

Can we just drop the Banter talk and scum hunt?

The point of me asking the mod is exactly this. I do not think it should be AI for either RM or FA, unless one of them is scum and lying about creating it.
In either case it's pretty useless to base reads off the existence or membership of the hood. Just play it like a normal 2p hood and move on.

[davesaz]

McMenno's vote has moved too...

Like seriously...This is bullshirt.

~~Math

Retroactively? Or it's just recorded differently from what his iso says?

[davesaz]

Moth is still Special, but leaning town now too.

What do you mean by special?

Dave why do you care about if pere thinks im special?

I've seen town / null / scum as reads.
I've seen good / bad as reads.
But I haven't seen special as reads, so I was asking what it meant.

[davesaz]

{Infinity 324}

{cassielle, Creature, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy}

{moth, No Bullying Allowed, Postie}

{davesaz, McMenno, Yume}

{KFCslot, TiphaineDeath}

{PeregrineV, RachMarie, The Glitter Patrol}

{MariaR}

Replace TGP with LUV and we're good.

Where are your votes?

[davesaz]

VOTE: MariaR

Right after Trans and nancy "agreed" that MariaR is their top scumread.
Baah much?

[davesaz]

{Infinity 324}

{cassielle, Creature, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy}

{moth, No Bullying Allowed, Postie}

{davesaz, McMenno, Yume}

{KFCslot, TiphaineDeath}

{PeregrineV, RachMarie, The Glitter Patrol}

{MariaR}

Replace TGP with LUV and we're good.

Where are your votes?

{Infinity 324}

{cassielle, Creature, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy}

{moth, No Bullying Allowed, Postie}

{davesaz, McMenno, Yume}

{KFCslot, TiphaineDeath}

{PeregrineV, RachMarie, The Glitter Patrol}

{MariaR}

Replace TGP with LUV and we're good.

Where are your votes?

On maria

At the point I asked, nancy was not voting for MariaR, though her reply to Transcend indicated agreement with the list. (found that in the vc on the next page from where I quoted from... if you haven't figured it out, I'm reading and replying chronologically except for this one where your reply came up on the same page as my next post)

[davesaz]

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

More baaaaah. Wanted: independent thought from Creature.

[davesaz]

Spoiler: VC

Votecount 1.98:

MariaR (4): cassielle,

Yume

, Transcend, Creature, nancy
The Glitter Patrol (2): McMenno, Lil Uzi Vert
Lil Uzi Vert (2): The Glitter Patrol
Transcend (1): MariaR
KFC (1): No Bullying Allowed
TiphaineDeath (1): Moth
PeregrineV (0):
No Bullying Allowed (0):
RachMarie (0):
Moth (0):
Postie (0):
nancy (0):
Davesaz (0):
Yume (0):
McMenno (0):
Creature (0):
Infinity 324 (0):
cassielle (0):

Not Voting: Postie, TiphaineDeath, PeregrineV, KFC, RachMarie, Davesaz, Infinity 324

I wonder if Yume is silenced somehow, like a post restriction which only allows vote via PM?

[davesaz]

I want a lot of content from Davesaz, but less than I want content from the other two.

When I'm awake you might get some.
It won't be really good until I survive a few days and have some more flips to work with.

[davesaz]

Spoiler: moth quotes

Nice, scum are outing themselves for us.

VOTE: Moth

Nobullying is bussing.

i tr postie aliyuko fa and nancy the rest can die

pedit: VOTE: moth

VOTE: rachmarie

201's a scumclaim right

Is it the lack of commenting on anything game-relevant? Or what are you seeing?

out of all people he could vote he votes creature again, looks pretty dumb

Yeah my interest in reading 14 pages here is pretty low.

Transcend, I feel like stealing that crown from your dog and shopping it onto my own avatar.

We caught the whole scumteam. {Postie, TGP, NBA, moth, RM}

Yeah my interest in reading 14 pages here is pretty low.

Transcend, I feel like stealing that crown from your dog and shopping it onto my own avatar.

We caught the whole scumteam. {Postie, TGP, NBA, moth, RM}

no... we've still lots of work to do miss.

oh no mariar is scum

VOTE: Trancend
Not omgus I swear.

Stop bullying me and put me in green rn.

ok w/e ur town

but what if im scum ooo aa

vibes tell me town im not good at articulation i'm sorry

her entire game albeit whacked out looks genuine and not forced. some stuff is ott such as calling the entire scum 14 pages in, but i can see that as town excitement tbh.

Don't you mean fly swatter?

low key could also policy lynch moth but nah i feel more like lynching scum d1

nvm moth is voting scum he can live

RachMarie town by page 2

The Glitter Patrol, No Bullying Allowed, moth all town

Postie, Voice of Truths also town

Glitter are insufferably blatant scum

Vecna could be scum I guess

oh no mariar is scum

Any scum reads Creature

Pedit being town

PeregrineV is town

How is anything Creature posted towny?

I know I've played with him many times you know this you modded a game with us in it lol
This is null coming from him

Bad MariaR

Pedit: *you're

Is it possible scum talked about me in the scum PT and moth slipped the info in 210?

Moth seems like that person I want to be scum but's gonna be town

I push MariaR most of the games because she's hard to read.
MariaR pushes me most of the games because I'm easy to read.

Moth seems like that person I want to be scum but's gonna be town

Yep

Sorry MariaR, you got scum this game.

VOTE: MariaR

Vecna or LUV are also fine wagons.

davesaz, TiphaineDeath, McMenno and Yume could be too.

What about we lynch Vecna?

that is typical Creature though

hes prob town.

Yeah, TiphaineDeath will make town

TiphaineDeath's death

TiphaineDeath's townreading MariaR lol

VOTE: creature

I think I can guess what you're saying here and I may agree with it, but it would be much easier to understand if you'd put some analysis type words instead of just the quotes and a vote.

[davesaz]

MariaR (6): cassielle,

Yume

, Transcend, Creature, nancy, Infinity 324

Hmm, I think RC is not putting votes in order, though I have not been tracking them and don't know this for sure. That's unfortunate since vote order often matters, but I guess as they say in golf I'll have to play it as it lies.

[davesaz]

I didnt say weird. I want detailed reasons for all the townreads you blasted on us in the first 30 pages. You gave no reasons. Since I dont know anything about you or your meta Id like to see why you scumread vecna and mariar. And why you townread the 11 people you did

Do you think it's possible to explain everything clearly?

I think I should mention that thoroughly explaining townreads is generally bad because it gives scum insight on what they need to do to get a townread.
If that's the sole basis of moth pushing Creature then it's a little scummy on moth's part.
OTOH it is important to expect people to explain at least some TR, or scum can skate by with a lot of unexplained but "correct" reads.

Pedit: Agree on needing to do it manually especially in this case given the obvious manipulation. It's times like this that I wish I had some source code on how to extract a thread as a starting point, because if I did I'd make a souped up version that tracks more stuff. Doing manual ISOs is sadly way too time consuming for my RL.

[davesaz]

I wanted creature to answer why he was forcing a meta change.

I also want people voting mariar to acknowledge it. And explain why that is important to them.

Paraphrasing what Creature said: I don't want to explain the difference I am seeing in MariaR from her town game

because I don't want her to know what the difference is and change her meta

in future games

in response to my read.

Moth is either misunderstanding this big time, or intentionally flipping it around to try to push a lynch on Creature.

[davesaz]

Moth is either misunderstanding this big time, or intentionally flipping it around to try to push a lynch on Creature.

right...

do you have reason to believe it's one or the other?

Indirectly asking what's my Moth read. I'm seeing both town things and scum things. Trying to figure out whether the things I think are scummy are merely due to playstyle and differences from site meta, or if it's really AI. If he's scum and we get a red flip on a partner, there is enough stuff that he'll be nailed.

[davesaz]

I'm totally on board with Transcend as scum. I see him shotgunning scumreads to see what catches, and a lack of follow through when people discuss things.

VOTE: Transcend

[davesaz]

So were seriously going to lynch mariar because she maybe resembles a discrepency she only does as scum but we arent going to out what it is -- so that creature can eternally catch her as scum every game without error.

A. That implies creature will be town this game, and every single game with mariar. (I dont give a rats ass about any of that)

B. Creature is going to force feed us this lynch on us trusting his penchat for recognizing vague unspoken meta discrepencies.

Am I missing something here?

Why are you acting like Creature is the driving force of that wagon, when he's blatantly sheeping everything that Transcend does?

[davesaz]

Yo. These guys are town.

Also if you guys are frustrated with my finnicky-ness please call me out.

Not clear which these guys and you guys.

[davesaz]

As a townfirm pretty much I'd like you to let other people drive and hunt that way. Otherwise sheep the IC becomes a thing. Then just last reads at EoD. If that isn't your style that is okay too. Then if for some inexplicable reason you're alive as a townfirm in Lylo you decide the game ending lynch.

~~Math

Agree 100% here, though if you see us going astray in a major way feel free to shout.

[davesaz]

I can't keep up with anything that's going on here or get into this properly and this is the part where I give myself ~2 days to decide if I want to replace out or not. This whole day has been a fucking cesspool so far and IMO the best thing that could happen is if we just had a lynch in the next 24 hours and let the nightkill and any killing roles town might have take out as many people as possible.
If the presumed Architecht is up for taking requests I'd like a hood with TGP. They still need to sort me and I need somewhere to talk about reads that isn't this thread and they're probably not going to get nightkilled any time soon. Gonna respond to TGP's response to my response sometime today probably.

Is that even possible even we're ascetic?

~Jae

If it isn't, a compromise for the architect could be to place someone in the Dark Path neighborhood in a neighborhood with Postie, and have them act as go-between. If that ends up being the case, I don't know who the best pick would be. Mechanically I probably would be best, since I townread you both, but I have one neighborhood too many for my liking already and do not need another. The other people in our hood are all lurky and/or scummy.

Where did this architect thing come from? (posting while catching up)

[davesaz]

hmmmmm

I'm not a fan of davesaz' posting but I can't quite lay my finger on why

There is neither any random dice rolls nor direct mod interference in this game as per it being labelled non-bastard.

Wrong question...

Is the "banter" PT an inherent part of the setup with predetermined players, or created by a player ability

this post especially. as a very mechanics oriented player he should know that the mod will only answer questions about public knowledge, right?

The point of that "question" was to hilight the idiocy behind assuming the existence of a PT or the players in a PT is something you can get reads on.

[davesaz]

What was all that nonsense on pages 123-125 about voting Infinity?
I did get something potentially useful out of it -- nancy's reaction was like scum being handed a surprise opening to maybe lynch a conf.

[davesaz]

I did get something potentially useful out of it -- nancy's reaction was like scum being handed a surprise opening to maybe lynch a conf.

So you thought nothing of the scumfuck who started it.
kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
-Akarin

I was already voting the scumfuck who started it.
Now I'm onto a 3rd partner who is chainsawing like mad. I wonder if we're wagoning the scum with the best ability?

[davesaz]

oh great, i'm behind 16 pages

[davesaz]

And you're basically saying people should sheep because you're the greatest mafia player of all time.

Several of us are pushing Transcend

for different reasons

. It's not just a sheep fest here.

[davesaz]

Player list update plz

[davesaz]

Oh hi, it's day again.
IIRC D2 started while I was at Costco, ended while I was at dinner.
D3 is starting at bedtime.

[davesaz]

Narna is hard to read, and dave and TD and rach are lurking. We'll flip nancy and maria and then look back at VCA and associatives to find their partners. I'm trusting you guys to do that since I'll probably be dead.

Dave was

sleeping

!
D2 I was shopping and didn't even get home before the hammer.

[davesaz]

What in the fuck? If she claims unlynchable AND that it won't send us to night phase you power-lynch that shit to prove it, then we can move on with the day. There is literally 0-fucking-reason mechanically not to do this. Anyone not voting nancy right now is suspect as fuck on either alignment or intelligence levels, maybe both.

LMFAO
VOTE: Tip
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH AN OVERREACTION AND SHADE THROW IN MY LIFE
Pedit: Your read holds no water then

Did someone say frog? That was quite a jump there.

[davesaz]

You don't need my vote to lynch the lynchproof claim so calm your fucking tits I'm gonna put my vote elsewhere because I WANT to and nothing you do is gonna change my mind on that I understand nothing bad happens so go on and vote it but I will do other things with MY vote k thanks

I've seen this before btw. Not ready to call it just yet, need to check if I've seen it both alignments.

[davesaz]

Making a note of catchup point, bottom of 174.

[davesaz]

I acted N1 only and was targeted N2 and N3 (provided the thing that happened those nights had a target which I'd presume it must). I did not receive any effects that would indicate I was targeted N1.

[davesaz]

VOTE: MariaR

[davesaz]

I'm effectively a VT having used my 1-shot ability already.
Lynching me gets you "information" but you lose my analytical ability.
Cassielle has made half a dozen logic errors this day alone. Most of them are in PTs so I can't directly quote, but they're glaring errors. She'll single handedly lose the game for town if we allow her to drive. Someone please either step up or everyone ignore her after I flip academy.

[davesaz]

The biggest logic error is thinking there is any way I can be scum.

[davesaz]

If you're using logic to say I'm scum, there is an error in the logic. You have a chance to reexamine assumptions and make the right choice.
I need to consider just not playing because it might be better for my blood pressure.

[davesaz]

If I were scum, don't you think there would be a counterwagon?
I'm always an easy mislynch, and scum don't even have to try to get it.
I had a play D2 to use my ability's results and you took a dump on it.
What am I supposed to do here?
Fuck yeah there is some emotion involved. I'm pissed off. Not appeal to emotion.

[davesaz]

I want one of the questionable people mentioned in your post to get lynched.
Does it tell you anything that I haven't looked at the VC to even know if there is another wagon more than 1?

[davesaz]

I'm not going to manufacture a case when I don't have one and pollute the game with wrong information after I flip academy.

[davesaz]

Oh hi, it's day again.
IIRC D2 started while I was at Costco, ended while I was at dinner.
D3 is starting at bedtime.

Narna is hard to read, and dave and TD and rach are lurking. We'll flip nancy and maria and then look back at VCA and associatives to find their partners. I'm trusting you guys to do that since I'll probably be dead.

Dave was

sleeping

!
D2 I was shopping and didn't even get home before the hammer.

Making a note of catchup point, bottom of 174.

I'm not going to manufacture a case when I don't have one and pollute the game with wrong information after I flip academy.

This is effectively admitting you haven't been scumhunting all game long.

Why?

You really haven't been paying attention at all, have you.
I'm a very busy person. A whole day happened when I was away. Then a bunch of stuff happened while I was asleep. It has been going by too fast and I don't trust my reads, other than what you've seen me post. I have been extremely open about it.
Why would I, as scum, not just make something up? It only takes a couple minutes to do that.
No, I'm town and I'm proving it to you the only way I can, by being truthful.

[davesaz]

I have no intention of putting hours into this game and then getting lynched.
First comes the not getting lynched, then come the hours. Period.

[davesaz]

3. I don't believe there are 2 roles that can watch themselves.

Nowhere did I say I can watch myself.
I got put into neighborhoods N2 and N3. N2 hood was with nobody. N3 hood is with Casielle.

[davesaz]

N2 hood was with nobody.

Like you got a PT to yourself?
Maybe you got put in a hood with someone and they just decided not to speak to you?

No, the OP says who is there, I'm the only one.

[davesaz]

I have given the Academy the reliable information I'm capable of giving at this time.
Since unreliable information is more likely to be harmful than helpful, my preference is to wait until something useful does come along.

[davesaz]

I am not feeling town dave it feels far more like the one in Mastin's game. I understand its a hyperposting game, I understand its hard for a busy person to keep up with this game. Still, its feeling like hes flailing to me instead of giving info that can help town find scum.

The telling bit to me is he refuses to even post basic reads, says he suspects someone but won't tell us who, etc. It's not even about "info that can help town", it's about "literally anything from his slot".

And the whole "first comes the not lynching me, then I give you a readslist" post, that was pretty much the opposite of a pro-town statement.

I have read at most 5% of the posts in the game and have

no

reads, not even town reads.

[davesaz]

I have never, and will never replace out.

[davesaz]

Truth is my only weapon, gotta use what I have.

[davesaz]

BTW your avatar creeps me out every time I see it.

[davesaz]

Assuming you're town, you have a higher probability of winning if you lynch scum instead of me.
If you also tell me what you know (full disclosure) the probability of a solve is greatly enhanced, provided the architect is not scum given keys to the neighborhood.
You're going to ask how you can trust me, and I'm going to say that the only thing I've given you as a foundation for that is truth.
If I'll have enough correct information to actually solve is unknowable, and if I'll have time is unpredictable.

You will get information in the form of a flip and a VCA either way it goes.

[davesaz]

If the information you have is false and it can't be detected then all bets are off. That should go without saying but I must point it out since the last time I got lynched as town it was in fact due to false information. (Code Geass if you're interested)

[davesaz]

Davesaz and McMenno are utterly failing at getting lynches off of them and they've proven they're incapable.

False. I'm quite capable of solving it outright with enough information. I'm refusing to waste the time. Town can have my analytics after I'm given the requested information and allowed the time to do it.

[davesaz]

Halfway there. An unvote would be nice. And a post in pt with the required info.

[davesaz]

Davesaz and McMenno are utterly failing at getting lynches off of them and they've proven they're incapable.

False. I'm quite capable of solving it outright with enough information. I'm refusing to waste the time. Town can have my analytics after I'm given the requested information and allowed the time to do it.

Second point in response to the same quote: has McMenno even been pressured? Why did you include him in that?

Given I'm town I wonder what the scum are doing here? They could be trying to get an all town wagon given I've been brick in your face rejecting the 'case' against me. Is there any special reason you assume yume's "heal" and auto sheep is town? Why wouldn't a town player with that ability at least try to guide their shepherd? Why has it been more than 24 hours with content? I think it becomes obvious that scum are content with the situation. There is no counter wagon.

I think we have time to turn this around. I'm not trying to be a complete jerk. I did what was needed to force a rethink because the apparent leader was at the front of a pack of lemmings headed off a cliff. Let's wake up and figure this out.

[davesaz]

You didn't do shit....

My refusal is a message to town.
My most recent post, and the one before that, is another message to town.
If town does something with it, I'm here.
If town chooses not to do anything with it, then that's town's problem, not mine.

I don't at this point care what you or cassielle say. I care about the other players.

[davesaz]

And if you want me lynched then get off your ass and do it. I'm tired of waiting.

[davesaz]

Why/how is Narna town?
@RachMarie, literally

anything

from momo would be "more". Why is that town?
Why is McMenno, who has fewer posts than me and no more content than I have other than pushing me, town?
RachMarie I understand is thought to be town "mechanically" but has barely more posts than me, why is she town?

^^ more questions that Town should consider.

[davesaz]

Once again, I don't give a flying fuck what cassielle thinks. My statements are for town.

[davesaz]

Dave I did not say more from momo would be town or scum. I said I wanted more from momo. I found postie a bit hard to peg down and I want momo to clarifly the slot more for me.

I made an unintended connection in my post. There were supposed to be two different ideas there.

1. To RachMarie: Anything from momo would be more.

2. To Town in general: Why is so little info from momo/Postie slot town, where that little from me is not?

To put that another way -- cassielle's

entire case against me

is that I wasn't doing anything -- where there are at least 4 and as many as 8 others in the game with equal or less production (yourself included, I might add, but you claimed RL and I do not pursue people with that as a defense on principle that people who lie about it should just be blacklisted into oblivion). I call bullshit. I gave my reasons, which were strictly due to RL combined with the pace of the game.

[davesaz]

No, town is not happy with the lynchpool.

[davesaz]

vt

That's what I said.

j/k

[davesaz]

Yo town, I honestly don't know what we're going to get out of this. Game's probably lost unless y'all wake up.
The wagon composition says nothing.
Ask the "leader" what a town flip from me will tell her?
Will it tell you anything?
I've pointed out a bunch of stuff. Why isn't anyone talking about those things?
Is there a scummy for worst group town?

[davesaz]

I quite honestly don't have any idea what I could have done differently.
The only concrete suspicions about me that I remember were about doing things that town should do.

For example trying to get dark pt people to identify their targets before saying what my ability was, and then being accused of making up the ability to fit the facts... really, scumreading someone for that? And PoE the "lurker" who declared specific RL reasons for being away from the thread the whole quarter of a day it was open? What other possible defense from a PoE is there, when even if I had given (possibly wrong) reads I was going to be lynched anyway. Like I said back then, if the choice is between "doing something that scum would never do" and trying to "look town by throwing stuff I have 0% confidence in" I'm never going to do the 0% confidence thing. It's better for town to lose me than trust my reads and lose more...

[davesaz]

I'm not quite sure how TD got away, from memory I think Cass had him pegged in the dark pt and was ready to go 1v1.

[davesaz]

Another accidental pagetop. I get about 10x more of them this way than by trying lol.

[davesaz]

I made a mafia thread about the whole V/LA on weekends thing if you have anything to add to it.

I put my 2c.