Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

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VOTE: C
i say we lynch Nero

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ok while the massclaim is potentially beneficial, the potential risk makes it not worth it. We can win this game normally rather than risking a massclaim.

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Play the game, not the gimmick.

id recommend playing both. Use the gimmick to retroactively scumhunt and clear.

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-Grey- and Ram are most likely town. Neither has called me scum yet.

Maybe they're your scum buddies?? Let me check....

Oh, yes.. 3 players on 3 different groups. Must be the scum team then.

Inb4 someone mistakingly thinks I'm serious: I AM JOKING!

almost is using preflip associatives to push a lynch kill now plz

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good to know Trans is B group scum

this post is scum btw

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transcend maybe try reading the setup?
ram is probably town with nero jumping on due to worrying the wagon will disolve
VOTE: Nero Cain

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VOTE: vote:Ram

transcend maybe try reading the setup?
ram is probably town with nero jumping on due to worrying the wagon will disolve
VOTE: Nero Cain

Nero doesn't even know the mechanics and random even more so. Interesting.

Ram's behaviour could come from either alignment and SnarkySnowman is just the SnarkySnowman I know.

I can't say I'm excited about my options here. Not a single one of the group can be called scummy by play nor by meta. I don't even understand the reasons behind the votes.

OK, someone who is good at composition please tell me why Ram/SS are scummy in particular, either according to your own read or how you perceive the reasoning to be from others.

@Transcend: What exactly are you doing? I can't follow your logic at all. If you're trolling just tell me so and I will stop taking you seriously this game.

what did i not understand?

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VOTE: vote:Ram

transcend maybe try reading the setup?
ram is probably town with nero jumping on due to worrying the wagon will disolve
VOTE: Nero Cain

Nero doesn't even know the mechanics and random even more so. Interesting.

Ram's behaviour could come from either alignment and SnarkySnowman is just the SnarkySnowman I know.

I can't say I'm excited about my options here. Not a single one of the group can be called scummy by play nor by meta. I don't even understand the reasons behind the votes.

OK, someone who is good at composition please tell me why Ram/SS are scummy in particular, either according to your own read or how you perceive the reasoning to be from others.

@Transcend: What exactly are you doing? I can't follow your logic at all. If you're trolling just tell me so and I will stop taking you seriously this game.

what did i not understand?

Nero "jumping on due to worrying the wagon will disolve" isn\t an accurate statement as Nero's vote doesn't count, so clearly has no bearing on whether the wagon dissolves or not.

that was a mistake, i did know that mechanic but forgot. Interesting that Nero still defended him doing it though.
Momo is a gut town here. I think the Group C scum is in Alisae/Nero/Snarky.
still reckon its nero though.

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transcend maybe try reading the setup?
ram is probably town with nero jumping on due to worrying the wagon will disolve
VOTE: Nero Cain

this. Its a chainsaw defense of Ram and doesn't even take into account that I was already on Ram's case so him being incredulous to the fact that I'd want to vote Ram seems fake as shit.

Why not respond to this, Random?

bc its entirely untrue

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transcend maybe try reading the setup?
ram is probably town with nero jumping on due to worrying the wagon will disolve
VOTE: Nero Cain

this. Its a chainsaw defense of Ram and doesn't even take into account that I was already on Ram's case so him being incredulous to the fact that I'd want to vote Ram seems fake as shit.

Why not respond to this, Random?

bc its entirely untrue

bullshit. If you had been reading then it should not be a surprise that I was scum reading Ram. If you weren't reading then I don't know why you are pretending you had.

that wasnt the reason. it was timing of your post and lying about the chainsaw.

i don't think random is town anymore, he's doing the bare minimum to get by.

been busy, sorry about that.

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^
neopolitan shouldnt check in group C

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My choice will depend on lynch flip. I might get behind the nero lynch if someone coherently actually explains in English why.

he is making up contrived reasons for reads and being hyper defensive of them while doing nothing else.

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prodge because I'm waiting on some certain things to happen before I evaluate.

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VOTE: ram
I'm going to trust you on this, but if its wron g we are turbo lynching you and nero

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VOTE: ram
I'm going to trust you on this, but if its wron g we are turbo lynching you and nero

This shit is manipulative and scummy as fuck and I'm instantly voting our group tomorrow so i can get you or sesq lynched.

no it isn't.

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I am here.
I understand why people scumread me for that post. it was a stupid post. regardless of that, nero is still scum.

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*cough*

Woodboys is confirmed town.

*cough*

Grey, my friend. The point of a crumb is to go unnoticed until the fact. Repeating it AND spotlighting it doesn't serve that purpose. *Sigh*

OK, guys. Woody is obviously the Friendly Nighbor. One more reason to lynch in A, I think. There was no need to out him though until we've already settled on A.

So we lynch in A so I can get NK'd and comftown is dead?

Watcher would be on you.

then they get rolestopped

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Am I missing something here? Scum have a 25% chance of guessing who the watcher is if they haven't been paying attention. A 50% chance if they have. If they know who the watcher is so be it.

they rolestop woody so the watcher doesnt get a result

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VOTE: C
I'm going back to my nero vote

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VOTE: unvote
good point

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rolestopper doesnt need to know who watcher is. they target the person who is being NKed

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Welcome to Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

You are Mafia Rolestopper aligned with Mafia.

During the Night you can target a player to stop all other Night actions from affecting them in any way. You can also execute the Night Kill.

You may talk to your teammates any time the Mafia Chat is open. Mafia Chat can be found Here [Link].

You win when all the Town have been eliminated from a single Group or nothing can prevent this and there is at least 1 Mafia member left alive.

Game thread is Here.
(from the OP)

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i feel like this is town almost. he is more manipulative as scum

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i think that btd or sly are the scum in the group

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i feel like this is town almost. he is more manipulative as scum

good lynch LUV with me.

nah

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calling it nero is trolling

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alright sly is scum they have 0 content expect setting themselves up to vote anyone in the group

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I think that scum probably don't want to focus on mechanics as much in main thread as btd is as there is a decent chance town slips up which could net scum a big advantage

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i guess LUV could be scum but i didnt trust my gut day 1 on ram when i should have and i dont want to make the same mistake twice

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calling it now if almost isnt scum then there are two scum on his wagon from group b right now
@alisae who do you think is most likely scum in A?

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I still don't like almosts Ali vote and I have reasons to suspect LUV....even if those suspicions were wrong that "Nero is just trolling" is bad enough on its own.

do you think they are scum together or its one of the two?

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idk.

Do you have anythig that makes you think they are together or not?

im not scumreading either of them but want to have a look at their posting to see where you are coming from.
i personally think there is a traitor in B because the wagon feels really scumdriven on almost.

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the wagon feels really scumdriven on almost.

Why?

I'm TRing Almost, scumreads on him feel forced , grey is town, im town, therefore the wagon is scumdriven

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That was odd. Is trans trolling NAI?

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Ffs almost why did you start doing the thing i was townreading you for not doing

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Ffs almost why did you start doing the thing i was townreading you for not doing

wutdat?

Manipulation. Almost is a VERY good scum player.

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Still think its sly

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Happy bday transcend!

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Almost is townnnnnn sly is scummmmmmm

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Meh I kind of disengaged with the game. I'm pretty much lost in the group and i learnt basically nothing yesterday apart from nero being scum which isn't happening.

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You def look the part

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omg that post looks so scummy

Yeah that was horrific. On the other hand most scum wouldnt even bother posting that.

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Ok almost is lock town after that. As btd is right he should be town as well. I will have another look at btd and sly to decide where to vote.

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Ok

almost

is lock town after that. As

btd

is right he should be town as well. I will have another look at btd and

sly

to decide where to vote.

Forgetting someone?

I meant LUV and Sly not BTD and sly at the end mb

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VOTE: btd
Unless a Sly wagon forms this is the best chance of a scumflip today IMO

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Random what is your almost read looking like?

Town, ive seen a50 scum and the stuff id expect to see from it isnt appearing here

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Alisae, why do you tr random?

I don't?

Why don't you?

There was a point he tried to shift his almost read (around the time the almost wagon was at L-1) and that seemed opportunistic + moreso reading the room to me.

So, do you consider him to be scum?

yeeeeeeeeees sir

So what do you make of the fact you're both voting for the same person when there is no real drive for Scum to be bussing A50?

hmmmmmmm...
UNVOTE:
tbh I wasn't really paying attention, you're right that doesn't line up with things.
I wanna look into something before I answer this.

Random can you give me some scumgames of yours?

Not right now but when I have PC access yes.

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Let's think of reasons the scum in group c would want a town!A50 alive...

I got nothing

if almost was scum?

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are you willing to compromise on btd almost?

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Almost is it possible you can gimmie those scumgames before deadline?

on it

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67522
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all of my scum games on site that i remember
i VERY rarely roll scum.

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investigatives should target group B unless we get a traitor flip in which case go for group A.

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BTD

I think instead of this, you should stop trying to come up with plays like that and instead try scumhunting. I have no idea what your reads are other than that A50 was probably town. Stop being useless.

[size=huge]NOBODY FUCKING CLAIM[/size]

Trying to figure out the best strategy here is highly pro-Town. I am certainly not being useless. Also, claiming Watcher now isn't necessary, but we need to know whether Transcend is truthful.

Everyone claim whether or not you are the UB Neapolitan.

I am not UB.

please fuck off with the massive text size

inb4 the guilty is on me
I'm hard claiming watcher
VOTE: A
L-1

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oh boy

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Oh.
I'm sorry Random ;~;
No CC here.

no problem
i have been playing scummy as shit this game, but decided i was claiming start of day yesterday and just rolled with it.

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i think that transcend might be the traitor here trying to draw out the PRs?

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inb4 the guilty is on me
I'm hard claiming watcher

If this was a true claim, I think there would have been night action results in this post.

the reason there arent is that there may be a mod error with the result i got so im waiting for LQ to confirm it.

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inb4 the guilty is on me
I'm hard claiming watcher

If this was a true claim, I think there would have been night action results in this post.

the reason there arent is that there may be a mod error with the result i got so im waiting for LQ to confirm it.

That totally makes sense because this is only d2 so you've only had one result to share.

Oh wait...

i watched momo night 1 in case mafia ballsed up, which they didn't.

HMMMMMMM

rm who is mafia in grey/tttt/sesq?

not tttt.
probably sesq

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alright sorted it was just a misphrasing. last night no one targetted TTTT. I thought TTTT was the person people were hinting was the follower in B and i thought mafia follower might have gone after them.

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Why would you not watch Wood last night? but ok your town now.

VOTE: Sesq

rolestopper

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Random your claim felt disingenuous to me. Maybe it's just me. Can you confirm you are watcher / confirm you are VT for me.

i can confirm this is accurate.

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Which part is accurate random? That it's disingenuous??

nah its a legit claim

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i don't think he is.

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alriiiiiiight trans can be town
I feel like the wagon on Sesq was a counter to Transcend pressure but idk

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im thinking about it
my theory there assumes trans scum which i dont think is correct which points to TTTT or grey i guess?

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wrong about what?

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Wrong about the theory

yeah i know, i said it was wrong in the post. need to look at sesq wagon comp quickly

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my two scumreads in group b were both on the wagon which makes me think town sesq

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sly threw some shade at almost without a vote then backed off when a counterwagon onto BTD came up. maybe traitor?

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Scum in a town slot one could say

in my defence i was doing it deliberately yesterday

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aren't we all

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without a counterclaim we should believe it

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i was deliberately making myself look scummy last day phase

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snarky it doesnt matter
without a CC we dont lynch it

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doesnt matter if he is scummy, until the cc happens we dont lynch them.

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by the way who was the person everyone thought was the watcher last day phase?

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that was a genuine question

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im not saying trans is town
im saying he shouldnt be lynched yet

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ohhhhhhhhh

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nero i cant believe your avi has managed to go downhill

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VOTE: transcend

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snarky read what the rolestopper does. im not watching you.

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wait damnit i cant vote either i forgot

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trans you played like shit.
you made stupid calls that lead to both PRs being outed because you assumed everyone would approach the situation the same way you did with the assumption you were town.

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it was so obvious your guilty was on me. plus i knew you werent the watcher so if you were the UB and had investigated me you would have gotten a false positive.

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They drawed themselves out

I would've died as vt if everyone just let me do my thing

ur thing was stupid tho

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rip in pep

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ggwp my play this game was genuinely horrific ty for the carry

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it isnt so much the neap as the neap/UB combo. Mafia need to take out the Neap as quickly as possible, but they want to kill a different PR before so that the UB doesnt become a neap which makes it kind of townsided.

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someone was look at a similar setup a while back which ill find in a sec and we didnt think it would work with numbers.

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viewtopic.php?f=115&t=70502
there ya go

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with 3 in a group you have the issue of each group being in LyLo and with four in a group you just end up with horrible numbers.
could maybe run 8v2 with initial groups of 5?